he jokingly asked the crowd to vote 10 times for donald trump. we will hear from steve cornett key. he will tell us what time polls will close tuesday night and what he will be looking for. also, the remarkable new development about gen z voters and the access hollywood video from 2016. a very good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters in new york. we begin this hour with decision 2024 and the race for the white house. we are county down with just three days left until election day. candidates crisscrossing battleground states. vice president kamala harris is in georgia and north carolina.

governor tim walz and senator j.d. vance are in nevada and arizona. former president donald trump is in north carolina and virginia. right now bp harris is in atlanta. her campaign is releasing a new ad highlighting her closing arguments and drawing the contrast with her opponent. >> we see in our fellow americans neighbors, not enemies. we believe in each other. we believe in our country. we are not falling for these folks that are trying to divide us. together we will build a brighter future for our nation. >> it is a theme echoed by the democratic party chair as the campaign drives that message home to every possible voter. >> just look at what you hear from kamala harris. she is talking about unity. bringing all americans together,

democrats, republicans, independents. everyone will have a seat at the table. she will have a to do list to work on behalf of the american people. the contrast on the other side is stark. donald trump is talking about payback, retribution and revenge. he's talking about a firing squad for his political enemies. >> right now trump is still speaking in gastonia, north carolina. he told voters that he had a prediction. >> let's make a prediction. this will happen on tuesday, i think. >> early voting is breaking records in several states. more than 70 million americans have already voted. voters so far appear evenly split among republicans and democrats reflected here in what they are telling nbc news.

>> i'm frightened for our country. i figure if my vote counts, which i have been told all my life, i need to do this. i do not want to see the country so divided or hateful. >> the american population is intelligence but rather uneducated about the history of what happened in world war ii, world war i. i think they should look at it and how fascism creeps up slowly like boiling a frog. >> we have reporters in place across the country following all of these new storylines. we will begin with gabe gutierrez in charlotte, north carolina, where kamala harris will hold a rally later today. now i see von. harris is wrapping up a speech in atlanta. what is her message as she is sweeping through these battleground states today. >> reporter: as you said,

kamala harris coming to north carolina in the next few hours. right now she is speaking in atlanta. in north carolina we see a lot of excitement from her supporters. they have been streaming into this venue. it's the last day of early voting. kamala harris in atlanta, this is part of her strategy to really reach out to the southern battlegrounds in this closing weekend. she is trying to win those last- minute moderate republicans that may prove crucial in winning these battleground states. we have some video of her rally in atlanta that is still underway. take a listen to her closing message. >> just imagine. if he is elected on day one, donald trump would walk into the oval office with his enemies list, stewing over and enemies list. when i am elected i will walk in on your behalf with my to do

list. >> reporter: that is something we have heard from the vice president over and over again in these closing weeks. she said it a few days ago in the shadow of the white house that former president trump in her view would walk in with an enemies list and she would be with a to do list. senior campaign officials feel very confident in the early vote. we mentioned those massive early voting numbers. more than 70 million have cast their ballots early. in georgia, the secretary of state said there has already been 50% turnout. he calls it unprecedented. harris campaign officials say they believe that early vote, about 50% are women. a demographic feel they are doing better with. they feel very confident heading into election day. they are still reaching for those critical last-minute votes

in north carolina, michigan, and closing out the battleground blitz in pennsylvania on monday. >> gabe gutierrez thank you for that. donald trump is speaking to supporters in north carolina. afterwards he will head to virginia for a second of three rallies today. we have von hilliard standing by in salem. we got a peek earlier. now we are back for good. here is the question. virginia is not considered a battleground state, so why would donald trump spend time there campaigning three days out. >> reporter: that's a question a lot of people are asking. we are three days out in virginia, a state that has gone to democrats in several segments in a row but he also made a campaign stop in new mexico and one earlier this month in california as well as madison square garden in new york city.

all of those stops taking place after early voting had begun in several states including arizona. he is now complete with no more arizona or nevada stops buddies here in north carolina that he said he has to win north carolina. he won in 2016 and 2020. he appointed the gop chairman in north carolina, michael watley for the reason he said that michael watley stopped the steel in this state. there is a lot of at stake. virginia at this is all for donald trump. heard of the vision in which he believes he will be able to expand the map and build a broad coalition that will not always as cannot only sweep the battleground states but expand the electoral college map for him. i will let you listen. his speeches have been unwieldy and personal attacks but a harrowing picture of what america would look like in administration run by kamala

harris including on the economy. >> how good was that? to get those numbers four days before the vote. thank you. thank you, sir. you would have liked that. to get those numbers -- we had the worst numbers maybe sort of ever . i stand before you today as the only candidate who can rescue our economy. >> reporter: four years ago he also foreshadowed a massive loss of jobs as well as a crash in the stock get if joe biden was elected. of course, that never bared out. he made the statement on the states that there's depression like job numbers right now. let's be very clear. there's not job losses currently taking place. depression like job losses are massive numbers that even in a

recession would not come close to being that in order to galvanize turnout and support is trying to suggest that the democratic ticket would lead to a terrible economy so for donald trump it's a little bit more of a focused message than we have seen over the past several days but this is just stop number one on his journey. >> you could have corrected me when i said you were in salem, virginia. you were just too nice. we figured it out and i bet you are going there later today. >> reporter: i don't always know where and i am so it's okay. >> we appreciate you. it's the final hour of early in-person voting in north carolina. both campaigns have gone all out to personally reach those voters. once again, we have antonio hilton. you are in raleigh? that's for you were the first hour. we saw the lines there.

they are packed up. we talked about having spent some time with the harris campaign. how are they feeling today. >> reporter: in the final days they will project strength and optimism. the one sign that has a lot of people on every side thinking that trump must be feeling nervous is the number of visits he is making to the state in coming days. they have been excited looking for early voting numbers but are they cannibalizing and the numbers that were coming out are they rebounding and will they have a major presence on tuesday? the other thing they are responding to our voter fears and concerns. especially after hurricane helene there've been a lot of rumors flying around about the

federal government presence in the state. that is completely untrue but the harris campaign has made an investment having election law and attorneys ready in all of their field offices ready to respond. take a listen to their director telling me about this work. >> enthusiasm is widespread. noticeable in long lines across the area. trump and his allies are trying to sow doubt about the election. it's out of fear. they and other prospects are not great and they are likely to lose. we are ensuring every eligible voter is equipped with the knowledge that they need to access the ballot box. >> reporter: you won't be surprised to hear that for a lot of the women and the young voters we have been talking to, it is women's rights, abortion,

and the economy and the tenor of the public conversation in the country that is inspiring them to fill long lines like this one. >> thank you so much for that. let's turn to steve korn active for a look at what we can expect. >> reporter: we are almost there . here is what we are looking at. these are the seven big battleground state. when can we expect to get results. 7:00 eastern the first battleground will close. that is georgia. a half hour later north carolina. remember, everybody probably thinks back to 2020 how long it took. the expectation in georgia and north carolina, there's a few reasons for this, but the expectation is it will be much faster than it was in 2020. the possibility is there that even if it's a close race we could know the winner late night on tuesday.

you get to 8:00 and you see this star for michigan. there's a couple counties in the far u.p. that close at 9:00 eastern but 99% of the state, 8:00 eastern we start getting results. same time we start getting it from pennsylvania. we will start to have a lot of clarity about what is going on. along comes arizona. 9:00 eastern the polls close in arizona, but the way that they do it is they wait one hour and it's actually 10:00 eastern time when you will get the first votes reported out of arizona. by the way, that first batch will be massive. you will see two thirds of the vote in arizona reported all that once. remember that one. wisconsin, the northern battleground states 9:00 start getting results there. in nevada it's a bit like arizona. heavy mail in voting and early voting. so much of nevada is weighted,

10:00 eastern we can expect to get some stuff. that one could take a while. in terms of counties, this will be filling in on tuesday night state by state and county by county. i mentioned that 7:00 our when georgia and north carolina comes along. i will call up the 2020 results. remember, the margin under 12,000 votes. 3/10 of one point for joe biden. draw your attention right here. call it the blue blob. this is the democratic counties. some have been trending in a big way towards democrats in the trump era. the question is, are democrats doing even better in this area. are they squeeze and even more votes out of here. this county, democrats have gotten close their.

if they are having the kind of night they want to have in georgia. they will be looking throughout the south-central part of the state. there's a lot of counties with large african-american populations. democrats are trying to get higher turnout there. we will see black turnout especially in those areas a key to the equation in georgia. we will get to that tuesday night but i want to give you an overview. we will take a look at north carolina. how about this county. this is a union county. suburban bedroom communities outside of charlotte. union county is traditionally a big republican area. in the trump era it has gotten a little less republican. in 2020 trump won union county, a lot of votes there. go back to 2016 and he was winning by more than 30. he slipped in a place where

republicans traditionally get a lot of votes. here is my question. is he slipping further in union or klein back to some of what he lost. there some other counties in north carolina that are like that. there's other areas we will look for democratic votes. here again like georgia east with large black populations. other things we will get you on tuesday that is just at taste. >> thank you. donald trump's bewildering decision about nikki haley. we are back in 90 seconds with that. that. gested! you need sinex saline from vicks. just sinex, breathe, ahhhh! what is — wow! sinex. breathe. ahhhhhh! han is 22 years old. he's not just a pet, he really is a part of our family. knowing that he's getting good nutrition, that's a huge relief for me and my dad. (sings) old bean piglet head

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surrogates for the harris and trump campaigns like bill clinton, michelle obama and eric trump are fanning out across pennsylvania where margins are razor thin. with its 19 electoral votes it is an essential swing state that could pave the road to 270. we will go to emma barnett who is in harmony. there is so much at stake in pennsylvania. give us some insight into how people are feeling. >> reporter: voters on both sides of the aisle are feeling anxious, excited and quite frankly ready for this to be over. you can only imagine the number of text messages they have received encouraging them to go out and vote.

the reason is because both campaigns know that the road to the white house runs through pennsylvania. we have seen that historically. take a look at these numbers from 2016 when donald trump defeated hillary clinton i just 44,000 votes. that is .7% which is remarkable. if you look at 2020 it was also a razor thin margin with president biden defeating donald trump by 80,000 votes. that is just 1.2%. here in the state of pennsylvania we also have a close senate election between senator bob casey and republican dave mccormick. that could help determine which party will take the senate. i was at and eric trump event earlier today. i'm about to attend a bill clinton event. all of the surrogates are descended on the commonwealth. i want you to take a listen to what some voters told me of how they are feeling with just three days to go. >> i do feel like it will be a

close race, but i feel that at the end of the day it will be a trump victory. >> we feel good. we feel that trump will take it here in pittsburgh which is a change for us and we are very excited about it. >> reporter: i have been speaking to voters across the state for months. when i speak to republicans the top issues that come up are the economy and immigration. when i speak to democrats that is abortion and democracy. this race at the end of the day will come down to which party turns up in just three days. >> thank you so much for that from harmony, pa. with both sides delivering closing arguments trump is playing both offense and defense, injecting increasingly violent rhetoric making his case a second presidency and doubling down on his latest attack on former republican congresswoman liz cheney. >> even in my administration

she was pushing to go to war with everybody. >> in great detail suggested rifles should be trained on former representative liz cheney. this must be disqualifying. anyone who wants to be president of the united states who uses that kind of violent rhetoric is clearly disqualified and unqualified to be president. >> joining me now we have alexia with the washington post, msnbc political analyst. welcome it is good to see you. what are you hearing about trump 's violent rhetoric in these closing days. who is the audience for that and what is the message he is sending? >> thank you for having me. i can't believe how close we are to the election. kudos to you for great reporting and coverage. just a quick point of clarification. i am no longer with the washington post but i

am the host of the podcast and i hope everybody will check it out. the rhetoric coming from trump is different than anything we have heard this entire campaign cycle. we have discussed a lot of crazy things he's been talking about. what is really disturbing as you know is that trump has survived two apparent assassination attempts. republicans including elon musk have already said terrible things to the effect of why isn't this happening to kamala harris. they have also blamed democrats and said that there rhetoric about republicans is directly responsible for those assassination attempts. it is not true. we don't actually know the motives from the people who have made these attempts, but it is really alarming that trump is turning to direct rhetoric that actually could lead to political violence. >> either way, let me say washington post's loss for not having you there.

let's move on to nikki haley who said that trump has not spoken to her since june and she has offered to campaign on his behalf. here is what mark cuban had to say about that. >> donald trump you never see him run strong intelligent women. it's just that simple. they are intimidating to him. he does not like to be challenged by them. nikki haley will call him on his nonsense with reproductive rights and how he treats and talks about women. he cannot have her around. it would not work. >> as soon as he said that you would expect several top republican women took offense. trump has not shared the public stage with many women in his campaign and nikki haley saying, put me in. put me in. what are you hearing about why she remains on the bench? >> i think what is really interesting as you mentioned is

that donald trump has not called her yet. i think a big part of that is because he does not like her and does not think he needs help with female voters, especially from someone like nikki haley who he has diminished, degraded, and called her low iq. i think it is also interesting when we consider that just a couple of months ago donald trump was able to have laura loomer the twitter activist and far right conspiracy theorist a republican woman by his sign and campaigning with him, flying on the plane two different states with him as if she was some surrogate for the campaign, a position we would typically see somebody like nikki haley in and then there was reporting in today that said according to sources, donald trump decided not to have laura loomer around with him anymore in part because of both her racist comments and the reporting said because he did not like the way her face

looked due to all of the plastic surgeries she has received. that is how we are used to hearing donald trump talk about women, even those who end up supporting him. >> if i was not anchoring the show you could have rendered me speechless with that. there are reports that rfk junior is meeting with that transition team discussing which officials would report to him after trump promised to let him go wild on health with an appointment as some kind of a white house czar that would not require senate confirmation. what are you hearing about this? >> since he dropped out of the race he has done everything to cater to donald trump and getting close to him in the event he could have some sort of position. it has been reported and several republicans have said that this arrangement has been set up. we are seeing similar situations with elon musk

cozying up to trump ending up in what is an apparent offer to elon musk to be involved in his administration in some ways. while it is alarming that someone with the views on health and vaccines and public safety such as rfk would be in charge of those things, i think it is just showing voters hopefully that what donald trump says and who he surrounds himself with israel and he is telling us the lengths to which he's willing to go to surround himself with yes-men even if their views are completely antithetical to science and health. god for bid we have another pandemic. we know how rfk junior feels about that and donald trump as well would be unrestrained from doing whatever he wanted with people like that around him. >> this is interesting. what we are going to discuss. many gen z voters are hearing donald trump's access hollywood

comments for the first time. they were only 10 when it first aired in 2016. many are newly outraged by it. can this come back to haunt him in 2024? and what kind of impact could it have? >> you are right that a lot of younger voters are seeing this for the first time and they are sharing it with their networks online and they are both making fun of it but a lot of these people have been sharing it with their reactions just showing how disgusted they are by those comments. it just reinforces for these voters who as you mentioned were not old enough to be politically aware in 2016. it is showing these voters that he has been this way for years. is not just somebody who is suddenly erratic and talking about women in very crude ways and they seem sexual assault allegations for the first time. this is who he is and who he has been certainly since he

decided to run for president the first time. we know that young voters typically tend to turn out on election day if they turn out at all so seeing this this close to the election i think could be critical to getting them motivated to turn out and vote against someone like donald trump even if they are not feeling inspired to vote for kamala harris. >> three more days. we will see what happens. thank you so much. what does the 2020 early vote count tell us about what is happening right now in 2024 and the implications for the winter? another fascinating dive into these numbers coming your way.

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how does the early vote this time compare to 2020? >> we have talked about before how some of the expectations were different. we expected to see republicans have more voters turn out. you talk about those record- breaking numbers in some states. when we look at the national numbers we are seeing the total early vote even though it is the second largest we have seen in a presidential election running somewhere between 15 to 20% behind where it was at the same point in 2020. we should not take that as a sign that turnout will be lower because 2020 happened during a pandemic we know a lot of voters are intended to go back to pre-pandemic voting behavior and vote on election day. what that means is election day will be a little bit more consequential than it was four years ago. >> vice president harris is in north carolina and georgia today so let's take a look at those swing states. how are things looking there?

>> one of the points we see in the early vote that i want to emphasize, you heard this from anderson clayton earlier. almost a third of all the early voters are unaffiliated. they are not registered as democrats or republicans. and almost even split. it's been bouncing back and forth. democrats have had some strong numbers in the last week. we will see how the early voting which is wrapping up today turns out. we are seeing is that they look much more like democrats. they are younger and more likely to be voters of color. the african-american vote is incredibly important. what we know from the polling is that african-american voters are telling us they are substantially more likely to cast a ballot on election day than vote early. democrats will be looking for bigger election day turnout from african-american voters in

both of those states. if we can move to georgia, this is a really interesting one to me. what we have seen that is somewhat unexpected in the early voting data, i have been calling this a silver surge because i don't have a better term but when you look at senior voters, it is running about 11% behind where it was in 2020 for all the reasons we mentioned. when you look at older voters in georgia, specifically older democrats, you see a 35% increase in total turnout among these voters. we are seeing senior democrats very fired up. what that is resulting in is an electorate that appears to be slightly more democratic than it was four years ago. >> i like silver surge. that works. use it again. we will have you back in the next hour and look at how these early boats will stack up against election day results.

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a busy saturday as the campaigns make their final push for votes. kamala harris speaking to voters

in atlanta just before he came live telling you about the anti- price gouging plan. donald trump just wrapped up speaking in class donielle, north carolina. he was talking about eliminating the tax on tips and bring in the furniture industry back. we have two reports now. we will begin with maura barrett in wisconsin. i know you have been talking with voters in green bay all morning. give us a sense of what they are thinking and telling you. >> reporter: this is a battleground county and battleground state. as we are talking about the demographics of voters that will decide the election, something both campaigns are looking at is where the women i landed. i spoke with one woman who is voting for trump. she came with her entire family and spoke with me about why it was so important for her to come early on this multi generational truck. i want you to hear some of our

conversation. >> i'm feeling confident. i think american people are smarter than what the democrats are giving them credit for. they talk about how trump is going to ban abortion. trump has never said that. what i would like in an election both sides is to go out there and talk about what you will do for the country, not how bad you think the other person is. we don't need people out there yelling at us telling us you are just a bunch of garbage if you don't vote for us. that is not right. be decent. >> reporter: that comment about trump supporters being described as garbage referring to president biden's potential slipup the other day after the trump rally at madison square garden. on the flipside i met another voter karen waiting in line for kamala harris's rally. she had already put in her early vote. she told me she was voting for harris even though her and her sister that she describes as her best friend don't see eye

to eye. something she shared with me today as i was checking in with her. she said if it was not donald trump that was on the ticket i would probably be voting republican. she sees herself as an independent voter and typically pro-life. she said she is putting that issue to the side because she thinks democracy is at stake. that is the balance that voters in these types of counties are looking at because it is traditionally a republican area but democrats have been eating into those margins. we look at the early vote. these are some of the last chances they will get to cast their ballots early. we know that 1.3 million people have already turned in their ballot looking at 3 million actively registered voters. we expect to see more people come and on election day but they have already broken records. >> we see that across the board. thank you so much.'s

joining me for a deep dive into the u.s. senate rate is bridget bowman. let's take into this together. the cook political report, the final projection for the senate indicates that republicans are likely to gain a majority. how big a majority is uncertain and that is likely depending how well they do in blue all states. every senate race has lined up with the presidential winners party. how is the race playing out in those designated tossup's in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. >> for those states it will be important to watch the presidential margin here. that's why it's important that the race is so close. as you mentioned, it is really rare in the trump era for the states to go a different direction. we could see that happen here. the presidential race is super close you could see maybe some of these democratic incumbent

or candidates squeaking it out, winning by one point or less. the fact that these are so close is really important. it is important to note that throughout the election cycle there has been a gap between polling in the presidential race and senate races and a lot of these battlegrounds. you see the presidential race very close but democratic candidates performing better than the top of the ticket or republican candidates performing worse than trump. for a number of different reasons there are ticket splitters out there, it could be that these candidates are not as well known. what we have seen is a lot of these republican candidates trying to catch up to that number. they think if they can get their then trump can maybe pull them over the edge. >> a couple of longshot scenarios for democrats could hold the senate majority. you have senator ted cruz who is holding a lead over colin allred in texas, but internal

polling shows the race tried. then let's move to nebraska, the most surprising race this cycle. independent dan osborne has made game on derek fisher. why have these deep red states grown close and what kind of closing message do you expect they will likely share to pull off their wins. >> the fact we are talking about these states and the fight for the senate is a little bit jumbled. republicans are favored, but the fact that the states are competitive could really throw a wrench into plans. a few things going on in texas, colin allred has had a fundraising advantage. he has really done a lot on his own with the national party only engaging in the final weeks of the race. one key issue to watch in a

number of states but especially in texas, colin allred went on the air with abortion ads even back before the primary was over . that is something he has been talking about. in nebraska you have an interesting situation with the independent candidate you mentioned. this could be a case of senator fisher maybe not taking the race seriously. osborne came flying under the radar being able to build up some fundraising and name recognition and coming in close at the end. trump is winning this state by high double digits. it could be tough to close that gap but the message he is sending was that he wants to be a true independent. it will be interesting to see how wide the gap is if osborne can overcome it. >> it is so interesting. i'm glad you brought that deep dive into the senate races.

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we are barreling toward election day. as of now over 4 million early voters have cast their ballots in georgia. more than half of the state's active voters have voted. just in, the harris campaign said 12,000 people packed the rally in atlanta which we just brought you live. donald trump is set to make his final pitch to georgia voters in macon tomorrow. joining us is political reporter and contributor greg bluestein, also look at front to us and someone that was at the rally. give me your take away of how the crowd reacted to kamala harris pick what do you think landed the best in the crowd? >> it was an enthusiastic crowd. i think the message to go out there, if you have already

voted that is fine but encourage your neighbors and friends and others, we know that even with the record- setting in person turnout in georgia, 4 million people have already cast their ballots, that means there is millions more that haven't and now the campaign shifts directly to georgia to get out the vote for tuesday's election. we have had three weeks of early voting. you will see a dramatic shift in the next couple of days. >> just under 5 million georgians voted in 2020. the turnout in this election might go way beyond that. does early voting data suggest which candidate has an advantage? i'm curious how the campaign might shift strategy to focus on voters who go out and vote on tuesday. >> it's impossible to tell which candidate might have the edge because we don't know who they voted for, but we know the sophisticated data modeling from both campaigns signals that the early voting margins

are a couple tens of thousands of votes apart. it's very close. republicans have plenty of reason to be optimistic, in part because the first time the presidential campaign is pushing republican voters to vote early in this contest. there's a really high turnout in rural parts of the state particularly northeast georgia. but after a very slow start, metro atlanta came out in force in the last couple of days. as i was leaving the rally i was talking to a few officials and they are enthusiastic because of an early voting boom in metro atlanta. that's were more than half the state lives that's the biggest electro stronghold in the state and early voting is exceeding the state average. >> with regard to republicans, do you have that sense? you heard about cannibalizing the vote from election day. is there any indication that it's lower propensity voters that are voting in the

republican party or people that would have maybe voted tuesday but came out early. >> most of these are shifts of voters that normally vote on election day but are voting earlier now. especially when you get to some of these small, rural counties there's not a lot of people left to vote. some of the counties already have more than two thirds of early voting turnout. it is still early to tell how much this will add or change the way people are voting. a vote is a vote, but we will see in a few days if the size of the gop electorate has substantially change. we also see a number of voters, 700,000+ people who did not vote in the 2020 election that are voting in this election. these are new voters. some of these might be energized by these candidates for the first time. >> let me ask you about the republican aligned super pac sending texts to voters to cast their ballot for green party candidate jill stein. how much cash, how much

resources are they putting into this effort? does stein have enough support to play spoiler for kamala harris? >> you never know in a state like georgia. it's not a high dollar effort but really indicative of the gains that folks in outside groups are playing in states like georgia which was decided by fewer than 12,000 votes four years ago so even a small shift can make a difference. we know from ajc polls that jill stein has very negligible support within the margin of error but there is this concern from democrats that if she siphons off just a little bit of kamala harris support it could be dividends for donald trump's campaign in the long run. >> it is 11,000 something votes that donald trump called about. it was very close. anyway, thank you so much. good to see you. gaming out the scenarios, if donald trump loses the

selection is it remotely possible that he would go quietly? next. quietly? next.

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not to officials taming out scenarios should donald trump win or lose on tuesday. politico reports in the event of a trump loss not only could he make a second attempt at overturning election results he and his allies are laying out the groundwork laying out his criminal charges loom over his campaign push. joining me now is the senior executive director of bloomberg opinion and tim is also the offer of trump nation the art of being the donald. welcome, tim. look, you have known donald trump for a long time. do the last few days of the campaign feel more desperate to you? if so do you think his criminal charges are playing a role? >> i think it's definitely more

desperate. you can go from madison square garden rally last sunday through today and the various things that have come out of his mouth or his supporters mouths over that stretch. you know that sort of fright night episode at madison square garden including bigotry, misogyny, racism. you got into this week where he raised the spectrum of violence around liz cheney. you know, using profane language at the podium. last night he simulated a sex act. he is not talking policy. he is not talking how to move america forward. he's just engaging this really base crass behavior. you know, the presidency is certainly the last work for him legally keeping him away from the two big federal cases against him. i also think he is feeling more desperate about his fortunes in a campaign.

>> okay, but here is what is different. trump is no longer in office. he's not able to make demands of any government agency or military branch. vp harris says she will be sadly ready if trump prematurely claims victory on tuesday. what happens if he pulls that stunt? do you expect he will? >> i saw you shaking your head for the brakes i think we are in agreement on that. he will. donald trump will say, i won. he will spend the rest of his days saying he never lost anything. the issue is whether or not he does what we all expect him to do. it is whether our institutions and our legal system and voters in morality to stand up for what is right this time around because he has done it once. the courts tossed more than five dozen cases he filed to overturn the results of the last election. we narrowly escaped, you know, a violent seizure of the

capitol. it was an effort to stop the vote tabulation. it will be about us, not him. >> let me delve into this further because do you expect him to concede if he loses or does he return to this 2020 playbook he played for all of us and some of which you have alluded to write there claiming widespread voter fraud, filing massive lawsuits, pressuring county and state officials to resist certifying officials, pushing for those private elect doors, remember that? and asking republicans to choose him as the next president. it sounds like a silly question, but how viable is this plan? >> it's viable if our institutions, laws, the republican party, and democracy don't stand tall in this moment. i am optimistic they will but i think we should be on guard if they aren't. the other thing to add to that

is violence, alex. it's not just standard legal measures or institutional measures he might try to cease to. expect violence around the polling places and that is unfortunate, but likely. >> our friend from the l.a. times writes a victory for kamala harris would leave trump with no new cards to play against the juggernaut of cases pending against him. kim, if trump ultimately loses, do you see a world in which president joe biden pardons donald trump to bring this country together, do you think trump would want or expect that? >> i don't think absolute -- it will fall to biden. it will fall to harris. cases are still being litigated and he has not been convicted yet. i would imagine biden could issue a preemptive pardon but i don't think heill.