good evening from new york and welcome to a special election edition of the weekend. i'm alicia menendez with symone sanders-townsend and michael steele. we will bring you the first part of simone's exclusive conversation with second gentleman doug emhoff, his final interview before election day. before that we have two big pieces of breaking news. nbc news has confirmed vice president harris will appear on saturday night live tonight. the other breaking news, the des moines register is out with a brand-new poll conduct did. this is the gold standard of polling in iowa and shows vice president harris with a three point lead over donald trump in that state. harris has support of 47% of likely voters trumps 44%. that result within the margin of error.

>> all right. obviously you are bringing -- you are coming on air right now with pulling. we can put it on the screen. i didn't have this on my bingo card as i like to say. vice president kamala harris 47%, donald trump 44. take us inside. what is new here? we know there's a majority of iowa men that say they prefer trump, a majority of women prefer harris among likely iowa voters. this seems like something is happening. >> it does seem like something is happening. we have been living with the numbers day by day as we gather the data. we have a little time to get over the initial shock. there is only one person and statewide office or federal office who is a democrat.

to have the presidential candidate lead by a substantive margin was shocking to begin with. one of the reasons she's leading is because of her strength with women generally even stronger with women age 65 and over. her margin is more than 2 to 1. this is an age group that shows to vote or votes early in disproportionately large numbers. it's a little bit of boost that kamala harris has gotten this time. >> for me, this is very telling of a lot of the effort and importance of a little thing called ground game. when a campaign coming in with 107 days to make the case to communities across the country we know the importance of communities like iowa as a

bellwether particularly as you get closer to election as it is in the beginning, so here we are at the end. what is your take on that aspect of this that the numbers have changed so dramatically from the 18 points donald trump had 10 now kamala harris up by three? >> clearly, there's something going on here if our poll numbers are correct. this is the same method i used it since i started pulling. we have a good accuracy rate, we are comfortable with what it is we do which is to allow our data to reveal to us what's happening with the future electorate. that may be the little lucky charm here is we are able to uncover the change happening on the ground. we know anecdotally as you drive around the metro area you see far fewer trump signs then

we have seen in past cycles. now we have some hard numbers. we will see. i will mention neither of these candidates gets to 50%, so there still is some swing left to be determined on election night. >> it's been fun to watch all of the folks who follow polls on twitter try to decide what your poll means for other states. i wonder when you look at white voters specifically if you think there is something in your poll you can extrapolate out? >> as your graphics are showing there is clearly a gender gap there. iowa is predominantly white. there's not much analysis we can do on the non-white vote, but i think what it does say is that the polls that are

deciding that they know what the future electorate looks like may be basing it on past electorates. in some cases, that would give harris an advantage and in some states that would give kamala harris an advantage or some would give donald trump the advantage. we will see how that plays out. i just feel like these numbers represent our last poll in september had trump leading by just a four-point margin. joe biden, back in june, had lost by an 18 point margin. we are certainly seeing an upward almost linear shift in the democratic strength in iowa. >> i just want to note that the only democrat elected statewide in iowa, when your poll came out, he texted me and rob has been saying for a long time that there have been many close losses in iowa.

iowa is in fact a place in play for democrats. this poll, to me, indicates perhaps rob is right by putting in the work, infrastructure as chairman steele just noted have democrats made iowa more competitive because of their presence there? also the issue of reproductive rights. that was something that bubbled up on the ground throughout the state, namely led by the governor herself. >> i would mention rob is that one democrat elected statewide. he's got his finger on the pulse of what's happening in the democratic party. as we were trying to determine this is a short poll because there's no time left to write lengthy stories with lots of data in them so we don't have as much as we would like about why this is happening, but our consensus from reporters who work this beat is the six month

abortion ban went into effect just this past summer. i think as iowans are starting to see the consequences of that i think it has gotten people interested in voting. the thing we noticed in our september poll that shrunk trumps lead by 14 points, he lost no actual ground. he had as many respondents supporting him in september as he had in june, but the size of the likely voter pool had increased and most of that 85 respondents went to kamala harris. >> let's talk about why. that is the world i like to live in. as a former party official, why are voters doing what they're doing? organizations as we just talked about planning that is all good and critically important, but the y narrative tells a lot of

the inside thoughts of the voters. there are two aspects of messaging here. for the trumpet people the narrative they try to get up out in voters was are you better off than you were four years ago? for the harris campaign it was a different kind of approach. i want you to size the two of us up. you tell me which one you think is going to be better suited to take care of the nations interest over their own. i'm curious as you look and i'm sure you'll peel back a little bit more, but do you get a sense of why in that space the voters looked at the messaging here as a way to sort of the carrot that led them where we are now? >> i think that question of are you better off the people tend to think that is your

pocketbook. there are other ways people are not better off. i go back to the decision and six week abortion ban which put women of childbearing age into some danger zone. some might feel it is that way. the thing i need to point out and was pointed out to me by one of the reporters is that this change is largely organic. the presidential campaigns haven't visited. they are not putting money into this state. it's not that this is something that's been created by the campaigns themselves. i think it's largely written off which is why this poll is such a surprise. i think there is something more organic people are deciding for themselves. this is the time i get off the bench, i'm going to show up and it appears from my data that is happening more on people deciding to vote for kamala harris the democratic

candidate. >> is a former premed student i appreciate organic chemistry. thank you so much for being with us tonight. up next, simone's conversation with second gentleman doug emhoff. you're watching a very special election edition of the weekend.

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in a matter of days the nation could see not just the first woman president elect but also the first gentleman. i join second gentleman doug emhoff on the campaign trail in pennsylvania for his final television interview before election day. disclaimer, i once worked for the vice president as senior adviser and chief spokesperson. i was with her on the campaign trail in 2020 when she joined the ticket of the then biden campaign. here's the first part of our conversation beginning with trumps attempts to downplay the bigotry on display at his madison square garden rally. >> you actually responded in real time to what donald trump had to say this morning. particularly about puerto ricans. he said puerto ricans will tell you nobody's done more for puerto rico than me, the former president goes on to say he

mentioned puerto rico and they made it a big deal. where the comments from that comedian a big deal? >> of course they were. look at the reaction. the fact that he still can't disavow it. he can't apologize for it and even understand how hurtful and despicable those comments were. that is what the whole message they have is about. it's about them and nothing about us. you have kamala harris who actually has a plan for puerto rico to rebuild, electrify and participate in this opportunity. you don't hear trump talking about that at all. you never do. it's outrageous. look at what bad bunny, j-lo

and the entire community is so outraged. they should be. by what was said. >> they all endorsed the vice president shortly after those remarks. you couldn't have written a better script for your campaign. the vice president rolls out her policy for puerto rico that morning and later in the afternoon on a stage in madison square garden the largest concentration of puerto ricans outside of puerto rico, they live in new york. a comedian on the stage is denigrating and insulting puerto ricans. also black people in this country, asians. there were derogatory comments made about jewish people and palestinian people. all those endorsements come. do you think that is the turning point in the campaign in this final stretch? >> i think people are seeing and hearing and knowing the ramifications of what would

happen god for bid if trump came back., lisette herself in 90 days one of those two is going to be sitting behind that desk in the oval office. one person who is in charge of that entire chaotic situation that unfolded at madison square garden. the haight, grievance, nothing about the american people who will be sitting there literally with his grievance and enemies list figuring out retribution rather than policy. you have the vision of kamala harris sitting there with her to do list focused on the means of all of us, americans and where we stand on the world stage. i think it's a combination of not just being against trump which everyone is now i think this trump nostalgia and fog of misinformation people are finally seeing through it if

what happened at madison square garden is an event, great, but what they are seeing as how amazing kamala harris will be. they are seeing and listening to her and that's what we need and why a lot of republicans are coming out for her. because of her plans, her confidence, her competence and they can see her as president and then they are reminded of what it was like when he was president. the chaos, incompetence, grievance, they say we can't go back as a slogan. it's true. it's not just a slogan. we really can't. i think people are now realizing it because the election is right in front of our face and she has done such a good job at not only getting people to focus on how terrible it would be with trump but how great she would be. it's a combination of those factors. >> you mentioned republicans.

i did not have cheney, liz cheney endorsing, not just endorsing the vice president, but liz cheney has been out on the campaign trail with vice president harris. there have been other republicans who work for donald trump like olivia troy who have done events with the campaign. liz cheney said recently she thinks former president george w. bush should also come out and say what he thinks about the selection. >> we want to hear from any american who puts country over party. i think that is the message i'm hearing. i was just in nevada a couple of days ago. some guy ran out of the house and flagged me down and said i'm a republican. kamala harris is the first democrat i've ever voted for in my life because i'm putting country over party. that's why you see adam kissinger and others. what i tell republicans is a

lot like vice president pence, you heard what general kelly said. right. they are not supporting. they were in the room with him. whether they are supporting harris or not, it should be very chilling to a lot of americans that the people who are in the room, who were there, who saw it firsthand are not supporting him and are literally ringing the alarm bells, that's what john kelly was doing. saying he's a fascist to the core. literally begging people to pay attention that this man is unfit to be president of the united states. >> i could barely hear the substance of the interview because i was so taken by how calm, cool and collected he was. you and i are built differently. have you ever been that cool and collected close to an

election day? >> yes. sorry. >> you've got to be. >> is a tell. >> look, i just appreciated the way he approached the conversation. really conversationally, through you, telling us about his wife who is the vice president. who can be the next president. that sort of personal side of it really comes through. we are going to see more of this and i'm looking forward and i think everyone else will really get the complete picture of what the first first gentleman could be like but more importantly i think that calmness. that is the one thing in the interviews that both come allah and doug and others give. calm.

you don't walk away going i've got to hit something. i've got to go. >> perhaps it was because he had just done a rally earlier that day with the latino caucus and pennsylvania and also members of the black caucus, puerto ricans specific in lancaster and a number of folks went out. we got to actually see him going and knock on some doors and talk to some voters. he himself voted by mail already. he bumped into a lot at the doors and some said they voted by mail, some said we are going to vote on election day. what struck me is it was effortless for him. he was a lawyer, very successful litigator actually. he had lots of amazing clients so he represented a lot of

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let's hear more from simone's conversation with the second gentleman doug emhoff. >> i'm feeling this newfound sense of confidence from all my democratic friends coming out of the campaign. even the vice president is now saying we are going to win this. she's asking for votes but i feel like the tone has changed. what do y'all know that we don't know? what is happening? >> all i know is what i've been doing for 15 weeks traveling this country back and forth. i would say you feel the enthusiasm. it felt good the whole time but these last two weeks, they are coming out. i've been to two of her events.

they're supposed to be 20,000 people, 100,000 showed up. i was just with her in vegas with j-lo. thousands of people. you are seeing the hope in their faces. you are seeing tears of we need to win this thing. i feel it everywhere i go. i felt it especially the last couple weeks when they're making their closing arguments. her closing argument is i'm going to be the president for everyone, i will put country over party, i'm never going to let you down, i'll be there for everyone and listen to people. i'm going to be a leader on the world stage and he's talking about grievance and the same old stuff. again, we are not going back is not just a slogan. people don't want to go back. turn the page, new leadership and a country that there's a place for all of us. it's starting to resonate.

people now can see kamala harris as president, they can feel it, the words coming out of her mouth and i think that's what people need and that's what we are getting and that's why you are seeing what i think we are all feeling. i think she's going to win. >> you know, i had michael in my head as i was asking the second gentleman that question because michael is not one of my friends, he's one of my republican friends but even michael has this confidence that democrats and republicans who have come together in this coalition are now exuding. it's notable. the vice president is someone very particular about her words. the lady used to be a prosecutor. she's very intentional. i found it notable that now she's saying we are going to win. the momentum is with us. the second gentleman said he's

seeing it on the ground. if you look at the early voting numbers more than 72 million people at the point of us having this conversation have voted early either in person or mail-in ballot. something is happening. couple that with the des moines register poll, we don't know what's going to happen on tuesday and throughout the week. there's something on the ground. >> there is a lot on the ground. trust me. there's a lot. >> tell us what you know. >> here is where a lot of a lot comes from. right now, and i believe 21 states still voter registration up to same-day registration. the more this campaign exudes that confidence and the more people feel that confidence, there is something about this week leading up to get out the vote weekend that sort of

starts that energy flowing. what you noticed this week were two things. a regression and energy by donald trump. >> a rally right now by the way. >> there are images of people at rallies with empty seats, images of people leaving. i know what maia is going to say. keep lying to yourselves. the reality of it is there is an energy flow that leads to the weekend that is born out of what people are beginning to sense about each of the candidates. that's why kamala harris can come up and say what she says. i'm going to win this. she is feeling it and the people are feeling it. there's a symbiosis that occurs. on the ground stuff particularly now feeding into the folks that are still going to register who basically sat back i don't know if i will do this election. madison square garden, right?

a lot of different things trigger that energy for people to get engaged in the process in addition to the candidate. maybe it's something the other candidate said or did, maybe events that occur globally or otherwise. for her a lot of this is lighting up. i'm not calling the race on saturday night, but what i'm saying is to your conversation with the second gentleman, he sees it, he's out there, there is a shift in energy. it's reflected in this iowa poll that just came out and there's more to come. that's all i have to say. >> that is not all. stay with us and you'll hear the rest of it along with symone's interview with second gentleman that will air tomorrow morning on the weekend starting at 8:00 a.m. eastern. up next we shift down ballot as democrats fight to keep control of the u.s. senate. wisconsin senator tammy baldwin joins us

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let's turn our attention to the u.s. senate. democrats have a battle to keep control in the chamber with several swing states incumbents defending their seats on tuesday. one of those democrats is a friend of the show, wisconsin senator tammy baldwin. last night vice president harris campaigned with senator baldwin and cardi b in milwaukee. >> we need everyone in wisconsin to vote. you are going to make the difference in the selection. you will make the difference. you will make the difference. listen. it all comes down to this. we

are here together because we love our country. we love our country. we love our country. when you love something you fight for it. >> joining us now, democratic senator tammy baldwin. >> good evening. it's a pleasure to have you back with us. a part of loving the country is loving the people in the country. your opponent has repeatedly attacked you, your sexuality, your partner, saying last night at the trump rally, "with baldwin you get politicians in office and harris and baldwin can't even agree what a woman is and what a guy is".

here's the thing i find the most disgusting and disturbing is these folks act like they don't know anybody, they don't have people working there staff or people they have come across, maybe even a family member. to me it is the height of ignorance and ugliness to live in a country that speaks openly about freedom. we have gone through some difficult times, but have individuals like your opponent not loving the country because it clearly doesn't love the people who make up that country. i want to give you a moment to have a word or two. >> yeah i have a couple of points to make in response to that. there has been almost $100 million spent by hovde, he's a multimillionaire, and his super pack allies on attack ads. the idea they don't have anything positive to say about their own agenda, they are just

taking to the airwaves and social media and attack. it's very important that we get our message through. i'm going to exert your watchers to go to tammy baldwin.com and help us fight back because our message is very positive and we are going through the contrast on the issues. just because you invited me, with regard to eric hovde, he's insulted just about everybody in the state of wisconsin. he talked about farmers not working hard anymore, he insulted single moms, he insulted the children of single moms, he insulted the lgbtq community, he insulted people who struggle with their weight. the list goes on and on and on. i think the people of wisconsin deserve somebody who respects them, listens to them, fights for them, not somebody who

insults them. wisconsin, you have that choice on tuesday if you haven't already voted early. there is a stark contrast on the issues. healthcare, choice, our democracy. there's also a stark choice with regard to me. i respect my state, and fighting for wisconsin every day. eric hovde comes dropping in from california to run for u.s. senate in wisconsin and insults just about everybody in our state. >> i mean i wish we were making it up but we are not. one has to wonder if eric hovde is taking a page out of donald trump's book. he did speak ahead of donald trump in milwaukee. this race is close. this is a very close race. i want to play what eric hovde

said about socialism and we want to get your response to this. let's play eric hovde . >> what do president trump and i want to do? promote our free-market capitalist system that has made us the most wealthy country and people in humanity. that's what we want to do. what does harris and baldwin want to do? pull us down the path of socialism where only the very people at the top do well and everybody else gets poor. that's what they want to do. >> that is not my understanding of policy, but perhaps i have it wrong. is that what you would like to do? do you want the people at the top to do well and everyone else poor? >> let me talk about the height of hypocrisy for eric hovde to

stand on that stage and say that. eric hovde supports $4 trillion in new tax cuts, the disproportional to the very wealthy people like himself and the corporations. we have seen that one before. how would he achieve that? by cutting programs the middle- class working people depend on. his plan calls for slashing social security and medicare. he would cut social security by 28%. eric hovde is for spending, just not for you. eric hovde is for this tax plan that would do just the opposite of what he's talking about. the academy and tax policy are important. he wants to repeal the affordable care act. he wants to have that debate all over again. i helped write the affordable care act including the provision within it i wrote

which allows young people to stay on their parents health insurance until they turn 26. on reproductive health care eric hovde cheered when the decision came down. he owns the chaos that has ensued. i'm leading the effort to pass the women's health protection act in the senate. that's the bill that would codify roe nationwide and make sure that states like wisconsin and texas and idaho don't pass laws at the state level that interfere with access to those rights and freedoms. the issue of contrast could not be more stark. voters have such a clear choice on tuesday. >> senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin, thank you so much for being with us. we take a look at the fight to take control of the house. jones is determined to earn back his spot. he's here at the table after this.

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the two parties are fighting over a half-dozen suburban swing districts, five currently held by republicans, that help decide the house majority in 2022 and are now expecting once again to do the same. one of those is for the republican incumbent mike lawler seat. he's been challenged by former congressman democrat monday jones. it's a real pleasure to have you at the table sir. >> thanks for having me. >> your race is one that can tip the balance of the house. they've written democrats need a gain of four seats to win the majority. they have some of the most newly represented district that joe biden carried in 2020. this is not the district used dissident. this is the exact same -- they are slightly's different. why was representative lawler in blackface and how has this come up in the race?

we can put it on the screen for people. i'm not being facetious. he dressed as a popstar against michael jackson in 2006. they don't got the picture. he was in blackface. >> he was in blackface. he still has not truly apologize and claims he didn't know in the year 2006 or didn't know it was offensive. what subsequent reporting has made clear is this is part of a pattern with mike lawler. the political published an article talking of two different occasions in recent weeks, one of which involved a guest at an event mike lawler hosted who used the n word, he pretended like the guest had never said anything at all, didn't push back. there was another event at an interview in fact in which the host said there's no such thing as white supremacy but there is black supremacy. he didn't push back on that either. he attended the candidates forum. this is part of the pattern for him obviously when the former president donald trump blamed

jewish people for his impending loss in a few days mike lawler went on television on at least two different occasions and defended that dangerously anti- somatic statement. these are a few examples of why we need legal leadership. restoring reproductive rights and our southern border. >> i'm not going to get into the dogfight because we have enough of that. you guys just had a debate and it was a little bit back and forth on that and people see that. with three days left to go why you? why you? in the midst of everything else why you? >> i've got a record of actually delivering for working people in my district. capping the cost of insulin for seniors like my grandmother for example on medicare and of course starting next year no one on medicare will have to

pay more than $2000 annually out of pocket for their prescription drugs. that's the work i and my fellow democrats did when they passed the inflation reduction act. we worked to defend our democracy from extremism. we now have a situation in the 17th congressional district in the lower hudson valley, a district used to represent before redistricting in 2022, where if we don't defeat mike lawler we will be returning a maga republican congress to do the bidding of donald trump if he returns to the white house. we're talking about a project 2025 agenda. what i'm running on right now is restoring basic reproductive rights like the women's health protection act which would restore protections taken away in roe versus wade, making sure we secure our southern border bypassing bipartisan border security legislation that my opponent is locking as we have this conversation at the direction of donald trump. we know new york state suffered from the micro crisis. i want to protect social

security and medicare and make it solvent for generations to come for you opponent has come out in favor of supporting cuts to those benefits. hard-earned benefits like raising the age of retirement which is something he supports doing. there are differences between us on economics. my opponent is anti-choice. he cheered the overturning of roe versus wade and restricts access to abortion. these are real differences between us. policy is personal. when i was in congress i fought tooth and nail every day for working people. my opponent in his freshman term has done the bidding of wall street and big corporations who bankroll his campaign the cycle. >> you sort of laid out one possible scenario which is donald trump comes to power again if he were to have a maga congress as you said , a very clear sense of where they had policy wise. what happens if kamala harris were to win and she either does not have majority in the house or doesn't have a sizable majority in the house? what does that mean for her

governing agenda? >> i want to lay the foundation for something important that gets overlooked. we need a democratic congress to certify a victory if kamala harris wins this election. >> the people elected this november will be certified. >> i have experience because i was in office and voted to certify that presidential election that took place in 2020 after the insurrection at the capital. it'll be the new congress that does that. speaker mike johnson, the most radical speaker in modern history of the house won't even commit to certifying a kamala harris victory if she wins on tuesday. that's a real problem. we would like to govern. i'm committed to working across the aisle in the way i've done in the past with republicans to help pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill into law, to help pass the bipartisan safer community act, the most significant common sense gun

safety reforms in nearly 30 years at the time we passed legislation to law. even the chips and signs act was on a bipartisan basis. >> bringing jobs to new york. you know, former congressman, this is going to come down to turn out and the voters. we appreciate your time today. we will be watching your race and you let us know if you see anything in the streets. we love to keep our ear to the ground in new york. let us know what's happening. former congressman mondaire jones, thank you for your time and coming in today. that does it for this special edition of the weekend. we will see you right back here bright and early tomorrow morning. 8:00 a.m. eastern, we will have my conversation with doug emhoff. this is his last interview before election day. be sure to follow us on social media.

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