>> ray: former first lady michelle obama stops for vice president kamala harris in pennsylvania. we have up dates from the battleground state. both candidates are canvassing north carolina. vice president, harrison charlotte as he tries to change

democrats to vote in that state. vice president kamala harris is delivering a dire warning to americans who may be on the fence about who to vote for on election day. >> this is not someone who's thinking about how to make your life better. this is someone who's increasingly unstable , obsessed with revenge, consumed with grievance. the man is out for unchecked power. unless the 90 days, it's either going to be him or me in the oval office. >> this comes as we see donald trump on defense after using what little time he has to deliver a closing message to

attack former republican congresswoman liz cheney of wyoming. >> they are trying to make something out of it . it's biased. she wants to go to war with anyone. we could lose a lot of people and soldiers and put our nation in trouble. >> i'd like to play the comments which sparked intense backlash. here is trump speaking at an event in arizona with tucker carlson on thursday. >> she's a radical war hawk. let's see how she feels about it. you know when the guns are trained at her face. they are always sitting in washington and a nice building saying let's send 10,000 troops into the mouth of the enemy but she's a stupid person. >> trump maintains he was criticizing cheney for being a

war hawk. the attorney general in arizona took a different interpretation. announcing an investigation into trump's comments as potential death threats against liz cheney. no wonder his remarks have been so divisive after all he's regularly used violent rhetoric to talk about his perceived adversaries and this comes as we are learning more about secret plans for a takeover of the federal government if trump reclaims the white house and lise most things and like most things it leads to project 2025. there was a report which uncovered shocking videos of videos released. the center for renewing america, let's watch. >> is what the bureaucrats to be dramatically affected. when they wake up in the morning we want them to not

want to go to work. because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. we want their funding to be shut down so that the epa cannot do all of the rules against our energy industry because they have no bandwidths financially to do so. we want to put them in trauma. we are trying to build a shadow office of legal counsel so that when a future president says what legal authorities do i need to shut down the riots? we want to be able to shut down the riots and not have legal community or the defense community to come in and say that that's an appropriate use of what you're trying to do. >> vote? who has remaining close allies of trump leaving government went on to call these plans a response to the "marxist take over the united states and likened the moment in history to 1776 and 1860 when the u.s. was at war or on the brink of

war. this is the extreme framework, vote and maga leaders are pushing over and over again. there's reason to believe there's more than just read a cut rhetoric. they publish training videos training political appointees in the hypothetical trump administration and offering advice on how to change the way the federal government functions and according to a propublica review 29 of the 36 speakers featured in the video were those who had worked for trump in some capacity. we have heard everything from trump himself according to a review of his public comments he's called for the criminal prosecution of 16 politicians, 15 law enforcement military and intelligence officials just since he has entered the 2024 race and has also threatened of the prosecution of workers,

federal public health agencies, tech billionaires or anyone who engages in what he calls unscrupulous behavior but the question is, could he actually carry out these unprecedented prosecutions? we ask the current and former justice department fbi officials the same question and they all said yes, there are ways around the guardrails even though doing so would shatter half a century of post- watergate norms in the country for starters the president appoints about 300 senior justice department officials including powerful positions in attorneys who ultimately run office across the country. all 300 of them must be confirmed by the senate but multiple former officials say they fear trump would install partisans who are willing to do his bidding. one of the names on a draft list of people that he may nominate as the attorney general is the mag recognizer the district judge, she

throughout the classified documents case against him in florida and on the list, jeffrey clark a mid-level justice official who backed his claims of 2020 election fraud but you will remember days before the january 6 insurrection trump attempted and luckily failed to install clark as the acting attorney general is the time and speaking of acting attorney general's, his more hard-line advisors discussed appointing a series of them since they wouldn't require confirmation from the senate and under current law and acting attorney general could serve up to 210 days at a time at it doesn't end there. one of his far-reaching proposal calling for the reclassification of 50,000 civil servants across the federal government in other words, they could be hired, promoted or fired at the whim of donald trump and his inner circle even if he didn't take

action on schedule a five, the likely outcome of the upheaval would be more extreme from the chaos and legal battles that marked his first term so what is the take away here? don't call donald trump potentially a second term incumbent let's call this what it is, it would be a revenge tour that he and his allies spent years ridiculously planning and telling us about. our political analyst and host of the fast politics podcast and correspondent for vanity fair, carlos coleman junior, the prosecutor and host of the charles korman podcast and jason stanley the professor of velocity philosophy of yale university. it's great to have all of you here in person. molly, your reaction to what's happening. this may not get the national attention it gets. a lot of people thought after

2020 that the trump chapter is over but they stopped paying attention to the bandits of the world yet here we are four years later going back and listening to the tapes and finding these comments where they told us in plain sight how they want to remake the american government and their vision. >> project 2025 operates from the theory that the first trump administration was a failure because they weren't able to remake the federal government and the way they wanted so a lot of what you are hearing is the idea of firing the federal employees and making them schedule f. the goal is to shrink the federal government and get rid of things like the department of education which trump has mused about in the epa and a lot of the government services that are nonpartisan scientific it and then to get rid of the nonpartisan employees. there are tens of thousands of

people who work in the federal government and install them with loyalists so part of this is to make the federal government an arm of the trump campaign. to make the doj served the pleasure of donald trump. the supreme court gave him this vague sort of immunity that he could use for anything he wanted which is so unstructured that he really could just do anything with it. >> the scary part for all of this is , they went through the drive run from 2016-2020 and now have a blueprint and a playbook. talking about creating a shadow legal counsel which could dramatically affect bureaucrats going after them. everything that this in fact, it becomes infested looking at his takeover of the republican party we thought at some point

they would able to stand up to him but he's completely infested them with his ideology and has become a cult of donald trump and he wants to do this to the federal government. >> you said the scary part but i think there are many scary parts here. i agree, this is a historical moment but it's not 1776 it's 1932. it's a perfect blueprint of national socialism circa 1932. what they are doing is called what the called it, replacement of all agencies by loyalists. party loyalists. you replace everyone . this tactic, a rhetorical tactic of calling centrist democrats kamala harris, joe biden, centrist democrats marxists is with the national socialists did.

the idea that there's a marxist takeover of the united states is one of the more absurd ideas floating around today but what this will justify is targeting political opponents as national enemies and that's what the national socialists did. the social democrats, the moderates and they said that they were dangerous marxists and imprisoned them and that's kind of the playbook this looks like now. >> you hear when people make these comparisons about the rise of the party in germany and the takeover of the german government people say that's hyperbolic but we laid out the case in the language and parallels of what we seen in the controversial comments he's made about liz cheney someone, who to be clear in his eyes is his political opponent and he wants to put her in the line of

fire because of her policies. >> the irony of that particular comment , he's someone who claimed rhetoric around violence and politics needed to be ramped down after their two assassination attempts on his life and here he is injecting that same vitriol in front of his supporters but during your lead and you use the word you don't call it a comeback. you should call it a takeover. the revenge tour is one thing but this is a takeover in plain sight. maga has expressed clearly and in detail exactly how they intend to do this and for a long time a lot of us were listening to their ideology saying how would this actually work or how could they pull this off? now it's in front of you and there's no question as to what the game plan is. the two things that come to mind as i think of this, i think the political press has done a bad job of eliminating the enablers around donald trump because he doesn't act

alone and he hasn't acted alone. the last time his enablers were high-profile, a number of people who had the spotlight on them at right now it's important to understand the group of people who are enabling donald trump are dangerous and have to have an appropriate amount of attention paid to them. regardless of outcome, donald trump is not the last of his kind, the first of his kind and it's important we understand godless of that outcome, this will make it imperative that we dust of our -- and understand how things are supposed to work. the only chance we have against these abuses or misuses of government is to understand where we have the stopgaps ensuring those up and enforce them as strictly as possible. >> we don't have guardrails as strong as we thought we did going through this because we never had a figure like donald trump emerge within our system

and to take it over from the inside like this. >> the enablers of his have already pretty much set up a plan which is part of project 2025 but like the supreme court talking about using the comstock act to ban birth control pills. they have something figured out and i think that we see that behind the scenes. look at the heritage foundation. project 2025 is the brainchild of numerous republican organizations so i do think one of the things about trump is he says the quiet part out loud so he did talk about getting rid of the department of education and some of the stuff that they weren't supposed to talk about but even though you had the head of ice last week talking about how you don't have to do family separation because you could deport the whole family. >> we have more to discuss, don't go anywhere. go anywhere.

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>> anyone who tells us that american excellence is the product of only a chosen few or that this country will improve only if we cast more people aside, let me tell you i promise you they are trying to erase the truth of what has always made this country great. >> former first lady michelle obama moments ago in battleground pennsylvania with a closing message for voters. democrats are taking advantage of every moment leading up to election day as the polling numbers continue to show a razor thin race between harris

and trump. polling shows harris and trump are neck and neck at 49% more than 1.7 million votes that have already been cast in the state. joining me live from north town pennsylvania the congressional correspondent . you have been talking to voters there. what have you heard from them particularly if you've come across any undecided voters? >> it's a good question. i was in erie county 12 hours ago before i made my way to the philadelphia suburbs here today and it's refreshing to see how many people want to make sure that their vote counts how many people for example in erie county were coming to the polling site to make sure the ballots that they had problems with were handed directly to someone who worked there. they know how important battleground pennsylvania is and so do the voters here. i spoke with one woman online who said she was a registered independent and the last couple of weeks she attended a rally for kamala harris and a rally for donald trump for coming here to see michelle obama and decided to vote for kamala harris and that's just one example or anecdote or microcosm we are seeing of people, the independence, the silver of voters.

the ones that the campaigns are after and you see that with michelle obama coming here tonight. they are trying to get out the vote especially those critical mail votes. up next to a new report about trump aids begging him not to self sabotage during his election. election.

bombshell reporting from the atlantic about donald trump trying to sew even more chaos during this campaign than what we had seen. we reveal the staffers begged him not to give his one-time presidential appointment a new nickname. this was during a high point for trump after the tough debate for biden in june and another challenge for the trump

aids keeping their boss and check after he brought on very online jd events. it was a staffer of vance convincing the vice presidential candidates run with the false claim that haitians were eating pets. the ex-president's advisors were reportedly bewildered but trump found it irresistible. that same staffer was the mastermind behind booking a comedian who called puerto rico a floating island of garbage during a trump rally at madison square garden. jason, the take away from this new reporting is that he somehow restless and bored and craving more chaos than what he has sowed in the election. trump wanted to call biden this name publicly, this slur and of course, vance's conspiracy theory about haitian

immigrants, what do you take away from the chaos part of how trump is operating this campaign? >> he's had great success by attacking the norms of equality that underwrites a democratic culture. he's not wrong that if winning is all he cares about then tearing people apart, ridiculing norms, showing he's too powerful for the norms. i won't go into a long question about the republic, the democracy led straight to tyranny. in a democracy everyone gets the right to run for office. some people will not be suited if they do run for office, the unsuited people will split the people and say one group is an enemy, there's an enemy within and represent themselves as the protector of the people and then they are elected and become a tyrant so trump somehow intuitively knows this strategy. >> he seems to be executing this very well doing so with the help of elon musk.

he's been very influential in the election cycle not only because of his money because he's been platforming donald trump but because this is someone who is spreading this information and you've got --. officials in georgia suspecting it might be from a russian troll farm they ordered musk to remove it. what is your take on elon musk and how he's now contributing to this. >> what so interesting is that for such a long time it talks about this in that article, they were criticized for being too online and now it is republicans are so online. they read this thing, this right-wing fever dream about immigrants eating people's pets and decided that this would play well in a general election. a general election when you need to grow your voter base

they decided they would malign haitian immigrants in ohio. it's a great example of how this online republican party doesn't quite get what they are supposed to be doing out there and i would just say jd vance ran 20 points behind in his 2022 election. this kind of stuff, people don't like it. >> it's interesting, a common theme throughout this piece is that there are people already in trump's campaign who are a little disillusioned. someone already resigning and it's hard to imagine those who are disillusioned from trump wanting to resign from the campaign if he wins and what you're left with. it's hard to imagine. we saw this in 2016, the people who have distanced themselves from the era. the john kelly's, yet now you are getting a smaller and more

hard-line and extreme group of people who are going to the finish line. >> it's a scary thing and when you use the word resign, to be someone who supports donald trump at this time you have to have resign from a level of reality in terms of how things actually work and i'm being serious, the petulance described in the article is a reflection of this level of privilege and detachment from the consequences of your actions that you could simply not afford to have if you were the leader of the free world. he's someone who at the point of having the lead in his campaign he had joe biden down after the debate and decided it was probably a good idea to use and engage a slur to describe the man and shrink his lead and

compromise of not sabotage his own candidacy for the white house. someone playing with this level of detachment and not worried about the consequences of his own chaos is not someone who should be pulling those levels of power. >> to that point about the detachment how does donald trump maneuver in that space where he could kind of segment certain parts of his fandom or certain parts of his supporters and followers and keep them in these silent information bubbles then detach them from the reality of what's happening. >> what he does, he gives the messages that one group here's and they ignore the messages that obviously aren't in their interests. for instance, donald trump intends the national stop and frisk policy. i'm not sure of how many black male trump supporters are aware of that. each of these groups who support him, there something bad coming down the pipe for them because he's promised

other group something. so there's an old saying about the first that came for the communists and i said nothing because i was not a communist then they came for the trade union. each group thinks look at that then he will get that agenda done and maybe he will do a national fetal personhood act. what else is he going to do? then for his billionaire friends he will blow up the deficit to give tax cuts to billionaires so people are only thinking of themselves and that one message he gives to their group. >> let me ask you as someone who's been brought back into the campaign fold and someone with a notorious past, he's now back in trump's ear. what impact do you think that will have? it was mentioned in another piece but what did you make of

it? >> if you're in a campaign with a woman problem, he really knows how to appeal to women. suburban women no less. they are just out of control. at any point that could have chosen someone, vice president or they could have picked nikki haley. they could have won. they could have campaigned with nikki haley. >> she's given the warnings that the campaign has become -- the rallies and all that that he's been doing. >> at every point they could have made good choices but at every point they made bad choices and hopefully democracy will survive because of this. >> let's hope so. we will squeeze in a quick break. breaking news we got, we have confirmation the vice president will be part of s&l this evening , live on saturday night, a history making appearance for her. we will keep an eye on this for

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in the home stretch before the election republicans have painted a disturbing picture of the potential trump term which would elevate french anti- vaccination, a key health role in his administration the one- man misinformation machine credited with causing a measles outbreak which killed 83 people announcing this week that trump promised him control of public health agencies. trump pumped up his role even

more in a few rallies this week. >> robert f kennedy junior we have. he is going to work on health and women's health. >> he will have a big role in healthcare . he knows that better than anybody. >> again, trump really gets women after saying he will protect them weather the women like it or not. he's now tapping a dangerous anti-vacs are to be in charge of women's health according to a report from the media matters. he's working with a conservative organization that wants to stop by the f referring to it as "evil" and "immoral". you know who should look into that? the father of ivf, donald trump. elon musk -- apparently. robert f kennedy junior apparently wants to ban fluoride from public water in

the united states but what do you make of the fact he wants to put them in charge of women's health and children's health in the country? >> it's putting the stupidest person in charge of some of the most , we just came out of a pandemic. give us a break. elon musk had these ivf kids. so the fetal personhood band goes after ivf and makes it so you can't have ivf because it has these embryos that end up getting discarded and if you believe an embryo is, it should have the fully grown rights of the child, that's what the band says and the idea behind it then you cannot do ivf so you ultimately have an ivf than which is totally insane. they are giving up modern medicine because of religious beliefs. >> this isn't at administration that was hot on the science, they were working at the time during the pandemic with some

respected experts. trump was talking about injecting yourself with bleach now he wants to put someone like that in charge of the most complex and potentially public health related issues that the country could face. >> there's no way around it, these aren't serious people. what i think is very interesting and cannot be underestimated, they are finding a way to appeal to a particular part of the american electorate they believe takes them very seriously and donald trump doesn't win at this point or at any point during the campaign cycle. he wins by subtraction so to whatever degree, he will be able to leverage the support that rfk, that kennedy had, to energize

them he's going to take it regardless of the actual risk the rhetoric poses and regardless of the consequences of what does or doesn't happen after he becomes president. he's willing to take it in order to get back because he has no other pathway to victory. >> it comes down to an issue of control and power. it's about government control or government power, putting someone as deranged as rfk junior in charge of public health in the country. i'm hard-pressed to think he would be confirmed by the senate but donald trump has shown a willingness to circumvent procedures that are supposed to be part of these guardrails. you appoint someone who gets confirmed by the senate, he's happy to have acting officials run the government on a 210 daily basis rotation. >> i hate to say it , this is fascinating because it's paint by numbers in the philosophy of fascism and history so in

fascism, you have the incompetence rewarded because it she was his loyalty over competence. these are things i grew up reading and philosophy classes but to watch this in real time, when you prize loyalty is the primary thing, especially as you get more and more unhinged and loyalists have to be more and more extreme, we will see an incredibly incompetent administration and all fascist administrations, the kind of anti-expertise authoritarianism is deeply incompetent and is kind of wild and it's flailing and that's what we are seeing. that's what you see with loyalty. what you see in the commerce department and in every federal agency where we see people who believe the 2020 election was stolen making decisions for the american people and those decisions will be unhinged.

>> speaking of rewarding loyalty. i want you to take a listen to elon musk who donald trump has promised a role in his future administration when he's reelected i don't know what the name of the government agency is, the government efficiency agency but take a listen to elon musk. >> we have to reduce spending to live within our means. you know, that necessarily involves some temporary hardship. it will ensure long-term prosperity. >> quite the closing message from elon musk serving under donald trump. >> you heard mike johnson saying obama care needs to be reformed. you know what that means, it means taken away . the irony here with elon musk, he got rich on government subsidies from climate. now we need to cut your social security and medicare.

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>> she's spending her campaign lying about what donald trump has said or done and is taking it out of context. she's attacking her fellow citizens as garbage. this isn't the way to close a campaign if you love the country. >> that was vice presidential candidate jd vance trying to tie kamala harris to comments made by president biden who is of course, not running for the presidency. this follows a busy week of donald trump cosplaying as a garbageman days before the election. >> had you like my garbage truck? this is in honor of kamala harris and joe biden. >> his sons at megyn kelly joint in dressing up as literal garbage and halloween to troll joe biden. following a campaign where biden addressed a comedian who made a racist joke about puerto rico in trump's madison square garden rally when he tried playing the i know you are but what i my card. it backfired,

badly. he claimed that he was calling that particular trump supporter garbage and not all trump supporters. you could see where the trim campaign pounced on these remarks. if you think a president or someone running for president should be more careful while talking about a big swath of americans he may actually disagree with, let me introduce you to donald trump. >> it's not her, it's the people who surround her, they are scum. they are scum and they want to take down the country. they are absolute garbage. >> total piece of garbage. >> garbage. >> talking about garbage. >> it's real garbage. >> could i use the word garbage? >> she is scum, she is garbage. >> the ad from the lincoln project, jason , what's your

response to it? basically donald trump either doesn't know his comments are recorded and could be played back then shared with the world but again, they are going to see that ad. he's called this country garbage. he's called people or anyone who votes for, harris, needing to get their head checked or examined. this is someone who built an entire campaign on disparaging, insulting, attacking voters of the opposite side. >> to be fair, the democrats are running a campaign on not doing that so they shouldn't do that but the media is screwing things up again by making this into a story by making this nonstory into a story. it is a story that jd vance says the country has been taken over by far leftists saying that we are going to make people suffer or be afraid. all of these are stories. it isn't a story that biden

slips up and uses a term that is totally normal on the other side but the real story is that the trump campaign is running on viciously attacking any democrat saying they are an internal enemy of the people who must be dealt with harshly. >> we covered the enemy within when he made that point. i don't think we are immune to criticism but we are aware that when he's made these comments in the past they've gotten the rightful attention but nonetheless i think this probably caused headaches for the harris campaign. you know having a debate about apostrophes. it's probably not what the harris campaign wants to deal with right now. >> it's interesting, harris is flawless, right? >> she was asked about this. when they tried to goad her

into saying do you think that these people are trying to re- create the infamous hillary clinton moment? she was smart, she's like no i'm not calling anyone who votes for donald trump that at all. >> she's responded to some of the dumbest questions i've ever heard quite smartly and she explained her policy really well. i think she's been flawless. trump world is very interested in twisting things around to make something biden said somehow harris is now responsible. i think what happened at the madison square garden event which, i think many of us could have predicted, they had a lot of really explosive rhetoric. >> hateful. >> hateful, racist rhetoric and i think that voters are tuned into the election and they were

like wow it's not good. >> it's a sign that you know, to her point, harris has been running a flawless campaign on the messaging and on the language she's used in the professionalism. she's done this twice is better as joe biden has and the evidence of this is that you have the trump campaign trying to make this about joe biden who is not running in the race and as far as you're concerned he could say whatever he wants to say he's not running for president anymore yet trump is trying to associate biden with harris. >> the evidence of that is a sign of the fact that her margin for error is twice as high as donald trump's is and as joe biden's was. she understands that and her campaign understands that and the triple standard, if you will, that she's held to, it's something she entered the race keenly aware of. to go to a jason's point was in terms of what is and is not the story i think what is the story

here, when we see candidates engaging in this, it gives permission for the followers and supporters to engage in similar fashion. the significance of that in this moment is it's a commentary on the american or the political economy if you will to the point that like now anyone in the middle would be forced to choose a side because we have become more polarized because the vitriol is higher and higher when we stop listening to each other and in donald trump's case he needs this to happen because he can't win without it so if you look at this from a 50,000-4 view. you can appreciate with loose amusement, the commentary of where this leads us politically and what it means about where we are going. >> we appreciate you staying with us throughout the course of the hour. we appreciate your time as always. thank you for making time with us.

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