the big week is here and in just two days be sure to join rachel maddow and the team for msnbc coverage of the 2024 election. steve kornacki will be at the big board to break down results as a rolling. that all starts tuesday at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. no matter what happens, we will see you back here next saturday at 8:00 a.m. eastern and follow us on social media at the weekend msnbc . val she will continue coverage now. ali velshi, we can't wait to see the show. >> you got the lady on. >> i was excited about the show in till she said no matter what happens we will see you next week. >> woods with no matter what

happens. >> i want to be clear with the people. >> i appreciate it. the first of all, great show last night meant that i was in bed at that hour so that, i bless you all for that and i missed you this morning. i happened to show up in the hair and makeup room. i only use half that room. >> what happened for ali velshi -- >> you were busy working. you are busy working because michael and alecia and i were talking up. it was a fantastic show. >> i get mine done in a different room. you know i was on the side. because i was there. >> i know you have a lot of stuff to do but i will tell you, i'm spending a lot of time with rachel, we are going back over the history of abortion and the information around it and the medical history of abortion in this country. that we've got a jampacked show. you guys enjoy a little bit of your afternoon and tune back into watch the show and we will see you later. velshi starts now.

good morning, to sunday november 3rd, two days remain until election day. we got a big show for you today as you heard, rachel maddow is here. she will join me in just a little while with analysis on how the fight over abortion rights has evolved since the fall of row and why it might shape the selection in unexpected ways. that is just ahead. in the meantime, you can bet there's a lot of activity on the campaign trail across the country right now. things are getting underway at a rally in pennsylvania this morning. donald trump is expected to begin remarks to the crowd. at some point this hour it will be the first of three stops by the way, that she scheduled to make today. we are also keeping a close eye on vice president kamala harris movements on this final sunday of the election. she will train her focus on one important swing state, michigan, where democrats chances remain uncertain in part because of the uncommitted movement and voter dissatisfaction with how the

biden/harris administration has handled the war in gaza. vice president will begin her day in the detroit metro area where she will visit a church and she will give her marks this morning. she will end the day with a rally in east lansing, home of michigan state university and the base of a large youth organizing program built up by the harris/walz campaign. harris had a long day and was up very late last night, later than i was after giving remarks at rallies in georgia and north carolina. she made a surprise appearance during the opening sketch of saturday night live alongside the comedian maya rudolph, who has been playing harris on the show this season. meanwhile, the results of nbc news financial -- final national poll are out, this was just released in the last hour. nbc's poll finds the race remains deadlocked and unchanged with both candidates tied at 49% each, among registered voters across the country. but again, remember, registered voters across the country doesn't tell you the full story because there are essentially

seven swing states. it shows by the way, this shows a larger gender gap compared to previous polls. harris is winning with women by 16 points, trump is ahead among men by 18 points. but there's another just- released pool that has sent shockwaves through the political world this weekend. last night, the des moines register and media published a poll showing harris has a three point lead over trump among likely voters in get this, iowa. which has been a reliably red state. now that lead is still within the poll margin of error, and trump campaign has tried to dismiss it as an outlier but this poll is known as i was gold standard. is conducted by the acclaimed pollster jayant seltzer who accurately to the outcome of many productions in that state and that surprising results made people question how close

this presidential race actually is. at the polls may have missed something again the cycle. and if it is possible a political shift could be happening in other states, including very importantly, the swing state of north carolina where polls have shown the race to be a dead heat. now i know that some of you think it is interesting we are calling it a swing state. but let's talk about north carolina. in 2020 north carolina was where trump had his closest margin of victory and the only swing state he managed to win. it tends to lean republican, after all north carolina has only voted for the democratic residential nominee twice in the last 50 years. although during that same period of time, numerous democrats have succeeded in winning statewide elections including very recently. trump and his running mate j.d. vance have been spending a good chunk of time in the state recently. they are both making appearances there today. and that could be a sign that internally their campaigns are seeing some signs of weakness and the possibility that north carolina could actually be in play for democrats, at the presidential level this year. fortunately for us, we have

exactly the perfect guest to talk about what is happening in north carolina right now. joining me is a democratic governor of north carolina, roy cooper. governor, good to see you. my boss said you got roy cooper so wear a tie because he's going to come wearing a tie and looking good. good to see you, sir. you have spoken about north carolina and the complexity of it and part of it has to do with gerrymandering. your state legislature, you have a veto-proof majority, which he really worked on trying to overcome in terms of protecting abortion rights in that state. but statewide, democrats get elected. right now, your attorney general running for governor, josh stein is in a relatively comfortable lead against his opponent, your lieutenant governor, mark robinson. tell us how that affects the presidential race. >> we've seen kamala harris get a ground-up, improvement in voting, because of the important races we have going on at the same time as the presidential race. are governor's race, our

council of state race, supreme wart, all of our state legislative races are up. and we have the most extreme republican candidates in the country. who have been nominated by republicans to run in these races. and people in north carolina are upset about that. when you look at early voting, we set a record at more than 56% of people have already voted. 55.5% of that electorate were women. that sends a strong message that the abortion ban that republicans were able to pass, because donald trump overturned roe v. wade, they passed it by one vote, over my veto. we are going to work hard to break that state legislative veto super majority. we are going to work hard to get our statewide races, democrats into office, like josh stein. and we know that if kamala harris can win north carolina, she is the

next president of the united states. i was with her yesterday in charlotte. i even took off my tie and it was an excited crowd. people who are out there, ready to go, working on election day. we know now that election day is the final day to get people to the polls. and it is time to win this thing for kamala harris. we believe we can do it. >> i remember the day you were out there and you and i spoke a couple of times that week, when you are out there trying to get one republican in your state house to vote to allow your veto to stand and to preserve abortion rights. it was an electrifying time in north carolina. the fact that there were lots of people at rallies that were not able to overcome the veto- proof majority. the fact is, i could since then and by the way, we ran that on the show. we don't rarely run a governor talking live about something on

the show. but we ran that to give viewers a sense of how electrifying an issue abortion rights are in this north carolina. you see that coming through, between now and tuesday? >> no question about it, and i think that is part of the reason for our gender gap. it is part of the reason why we have think a 2% increase in suburban vote this time. that is the one and only bill that i have ever vetoed publicly. in north carolina, we had four years of a broken supermajority. we were able to stop a lot of bad things and leverage good things like medicaid expansion. but because we had one democrat flip to republican, and give the republicans a one-vote super majority in both the statehouses and senate, they were able to get this abortion ban in place, the 12 week abortion ban in place. that people are upset about. because there are other restrictions that cause problems for women.

and they are remembering that, as they go to the polls this time, because people like mark robinson running for governor, once in abortion ban with no exceptions and the legislative leadership has talked about making the span even worse. so not only are they going to be voting for kamala harris, who will support national legislation that would protect a woman's right to choose, but they are also trying to stop this at the state level. so now is the time to get this done. we think kamala harris is going to benefit from that. we think we can win north carolina for her and we know that will make her the next president. >> not only did mark robinson want a total ban but he said remarkably derogatory things about women. the last time north carolina went lewis 2008 when barack obama won. a number of people have used that as a point of reference. ring the beginning of the harris campaign at an important raleigh, north carolina, you said this feels like 2008. >> it does. we made history by voting for

barack obama in 2008. we can do that again. with kamala harris. and it is not just the fact that she would be the first woman of color as president of the united states, the first woman president of the united states. put that aside, although that is important and should have happened a long time ago. the fact that she wants to make sure that she is fighting for the middle-class. we know where trump is with his billionaire friends. we know what is national terrorists are going to do, raising costs on every day families by $4000. and as people were thinking about what they are going to do in this race, i am asking them to listen to the ultraconservative leaders, who worked with him, who have now stood up. his chief of staff, his military general, his attorney general, his vice president, this guy is dangerous. he doesn't need to be president

of the united states again. we must protect our constitution and our democracy. there are people who don't like both candidates, who are deciding whether to vote and if they do, who they are going to vote for. these are people we believe we can capture in north carolina right now and not only is this a turnout race for us, we are working to persuade those people to go and vote and cast their votes for kamala harris. >> tell me what the argument is, to those people who are undecided or if they are not undecided, they've got beef with both candidates. the distinction between kamala harris and donald trump, the lack of normalcy in the selection, the lack of normalcy in the republican candidate. what is your best closing argument to those people who are still resident -- still reticent? >> i have known kamala harris for 15 years. i know that she fights for everyday people and she wins. i have seen her stand up to the big banks, to protect homeowners who have been ripped off. i have seen her stand up to drug cartels. she has worked to help with

them in jail. she believes in our democracy and our constitution. i want american president who wakes up every morning thinking about the american people instead of american president who wakes up every morning thinking about himself. donald trump, he has an enemy list based upon revenge, kamala harris has a to do list, based upon what she's going to do for the american people. to me, it is an easy choice but for people were trying to think about this and looking at it both ways, i am going to go with a person who believes in our democracy and constitution and stands up for the middle- class. >> i wish you were being hyperbolic when you say he's got an enemies list, but he actually does. governor, good to see you. we appreciate the time you are taking this money. democratic governor roy cooper of north carolina. as a governor and i were discussing abortion, is health care. i say it literally every show and today, for only the second

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moments ago, the trump campaign kicked off another rally in lancaster county, pennsylvania with two days to go until election day, both candidates are hoping to win over pennsylvania voters in the final campaign stretched. as president harris and donald trump will each hold three rallies in pennsylvania, before election day. joining me now, from the trump rally is nbc news correspondent

julie circa. good morning, what was going on? we were hearing a lot of music. i don't know if it's going to be another dance party. >> a lot of music is happening at lancaster county. this is the trump campaign's efforts to shore up support from their base. this is a red area. the crowd loves him and so far there has been a ton of speakers. a lot of women, i should say, as he tries to appeal to women. a group of voters he's struggling with, new nbc polling this morning showing that. harris and trump neck and neck and every battleground state but a gender gap between the two. trump, according -- working a lot more men and getting them. i see the difference in this rally versus michelle obama's rally last night for harrison the philly suburbs. there were a lot of women, a lot of women's issues. so far the crowd mostly men, but an interesting moment that stood out to me is from race car driver danica patrick,

introducing trump, who is yet to take the stage. as she told the crowd and one of the biggest moments of applause so far, if you vote for trump you don't just get one president, you get six and name dropped j.d. vance, elon musk who is here a week ago, she name dropped tulsi gabbard, who took the stage moments after. even rfk jr., who trump recently said he would bring on as part of his administration. so a lot is going on just two days before election day. both candidates, harris and trump hitting the battleground states as he mentioned, spending a lot of time in pennsylvania where they perhaps have the closest race between the two of them. and voters here could very well decide the outcome of the election on tuesday. so we will see what we hear from trump and just his first stop of many as he heads to north carolina afterward. >> julie, thank you for your reporter -- reporting in lancaster county, pennsylvania. rachel maddow joins me onset to talk about the election that could turn the election and the full impact would be missed by polls and pundits.

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gain access to the white house. if he loses he faces lengthy legal battles. he faces potential jail time. he faces the possibility of having to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in fines and possibly lose his fortune. if he loses, donald trump may be forced for the most serious accountability he's ever faced. and that is in the background as donald trump's rhetoric becomes more and more extreme as he describes at least half the nation as the enemy from within and uses increasingly violent language attacking democrats, women, immigrants, lgbtq people, anyone who believes in climate change. lashing out and desperate attempts to grasp at power and avoid acing consequences. one person who has a uniquely personal insight into who donald trump is, in the psychology of the family that shaped him is his niece, mary trump. in 2016 mary turned over thousands of documents to the "new york times" detailing the trump families finances and finances of trump's businesses. the times published several in- depth investigations and showing how trump and his family participated in tax schemes for years. trump organization was subsequently found guilty of fraud in both criminal and

civil cases. joining me now is the psychologist and niece of the former president donald trump, mary trump. mary is the author of several books including her most recent, who could ever love you, a family memoir. it is good to see you. the -- thank you for being with us. i want to ask about this, donald trump's rhetoric has become more and more violent. these days, i know we have all heard by now but let's listen together, so we can talk to our viewers about it. >> the most corrupt, horrible people. these are horrible people. we should get along with everybody -- they are horrible people. these are sick people but we are not going to let this [ bleep ] happen any longer. we are like a garbage can for the world. that is what has happened. that is what is happened. we are like a garbage can. they've done very bad things to this country. they are indeed, the enemy from within.'s -- these are bad people. when you look at some of the others, yeah, they are to me,

the enemy from within. i think nancy pelosi is in an emory -- enemy from within. >> and liz cheney should have guns trained on her face. what are you noticing, and why? >> will there's a lot going on. first of all, just the fact that we are at this point, where this race seems to be a coin flip is astonishing considering all the things you pointed out in your opening, to this segment. as you said, donald has been found guilty of 34 felony spare keys out on bail in three other jurisdictions. he's in -- and adjudicated sexual assault or, on and on and on and we are at this point where he, who quite frankly, credit where credit is due, has been a master at pushing the envelope, seems to realize he can get away with anything. and that if his rhetoric needs to be violent in order to rile

up his face, he will be as violent as he feels he needs to be. but then, of course, we have increasing amounts of projection. everything he said in those statements, he could have easily said about himself. and then, there are increasing levels of disinhibition and tangential thought, which concern anybody who wants the future president of this country to be cognitively intact, which clearly donald is not. he is emotionally and psychologically and cognitively unfit at this point, as well as morely. >> which worries you more? on one hand, we could have empathy, sympathy and understanding, and probably should as a society for people who have cognitive issues. that worries me a little bit. it should are you a great deal because the person controls the nuclear codes. but the stuff he seems to know he sang, the banning of flames of violence is very dangerous. we see these examples in history where at least to

stochastic silence. i am worried that someone in ohio is going to use a pet and shoot somebody because of the stuff that donald trump says. >> you are exactly right. it is all of -- it is all bad. and the problem has always been the most mystifying thing to me, about this situation which we find ourselves. any one of them alone is disqualifying. we shouldn't have to pick and choose or what is additive or not. but yes, in terms of the safety of americans, in terms of our ability in the future to overcome the great divisions among us, which by the way, donald trump is largely responsible for, are the most worrisome. especially in the wake of an election. if he loses, we have to be very concerned in the short term about the kinds of political violence he will stoke. but as you say, based upon the springfield, ohio alone, donald

and his running mate are perfectly comfortable engaging in the kinds of terrorism that will get innocent people killed. >> you are a clinical psychologist. you have written extensively about the family environment that shaped donald trump including the suggestion your grandfather, donald trump's father is a sociopath. let's talk about these days whether he's a sociopath or narcissist or both, why that should matter in the closing days of this election. to somebody who is not sure who they should vote for or is not fully convinced about kamala harris. what is the danger of the president who is a sociopath or narcissist to his deteriorating? -- who is deteriorating? >> it is shocking and we could have had the same question in 2020 and probably did. the difference is that things are much, much, much worse. the reason donald is viably a candidate is because he now has the entirety of the republican party machine, supporting him and trying to drag him across

the finish line. this is not the case in 2020 and immediately in the wake of january 6. in 2021. at this point, diagnoses are irrelevant, just look how he behaves. look what he's promising us. he is being very, very explicit. he plans to quote unquote, roundup anybody he deems unworthy of being in this country legally or not. and either deport them or put them in camps. is not going to stop at undocumented workers. that will impact everybody. it will destroy our economy. this is a campaign that is full of hatred, of the other. and the other is anybody who does not support donald trump. he has no impulse control anymore and he is honestly, this is shocking to say, but he is surrounded with worse people, who are more capable of promoting an agenda that is dangerous for this country. and in my view, would represent the end of american democracy.

>> to be clear, he promises more of that. he basically said there is no more autocracy, no more people they will put into positions because they look like they will be qualified. it will be loyalists. project 2025, he's clear that they will replace 50,000 civil servants with people who are loyal. he's actually saying it. i will point out by the way, for people who follow you on social media, i don't want to put words in your mouth but you seem optimistic about the outcome of the election. >> i am cautiously optimistic and i think the best way to put it is i believe kamala harris will win because she has two. >> it is a good way to put it. good to see you as always. mary trump as niece of donald trump and author of the new book, who could ever love you, a family memoir. rachel maddow will join me to share analysis on one of the most important and least understood issues of this election and stars of the west wing, martin sheen and mary mccormack are starring in a kamala harris. i will talk to them ahead on

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if it happens during the course of the results coming in on tuesday night that steve kornacki needs to go to the bathroom, i am going to be here , stepping this thing. he doesn't, by the way so it's not going to happen. here's what we will look for in

the early part of the night, the things we will look at carefully are philadelphia, pennsylvania and michigan. pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin are the three states that would cause here's to win this election regardless of any of the other swing states but i want to show you some things in pennsylvania. this is philadelphia, right now. a lot of votes and count -- in philadelphia. and 2020, biden won 81-17, it is overwhelmingly democratic. in 2016, hillary clinton got a higher percentage, not a higher number but a higher percentage of the votes in philadelphia. in 2012, obama got an even higher percentage than that, 85.3 percent of the vote. in 2008 it was a little bit lower but this is what kamala harris needs to do in philadelphia. now here is the issue. that is philadelphia, these four counties over here, are called the collar counties of the philadelphia. there are four counties and we are going to watch those closely. this one is delaware county. you can see 63-36 for biden in the last election. this is custer county, 58-40 for biden in the last election. this is montgomery, -- these

are likely going to be strong democratic performers. these four counties by the way have a larger population than philadelphia and pittsburgh combined. so they are going to be very important. this one is the one we're going to look at closely. this is bucks county, pennsylvania. a tighter margin come easy in 2020, almost 52% to 47% in 2020. look at 2016, donald trump got 47 -- 40% almost to 8.5 for hillary clinton. obama got 50% in 2012 and in 2000 -- 2008 he got 53.8. the performance in these counties will be important. of the four counties, five, if you include philadelphia, only bucks county has a possibility of going to trump. that if it does, then this is going to be an early sign that there is a problem in pennsylvania. take a quick look at michigan. again, he states that was very close in 2020 with biden

winning with 50.6% of the vote. i'm going to pay close attention to these counties, this is wayne county where detroit is, overwhelmingly goes for biden in 2020, 68-30. we will watch that closely. we are also paying attention, detroit, wayne county has hamtramck, dearborn, dearborn heights, these are large arab- american and muslim populations. we will see what happens there. above it in macomb county, similar population base, but that has gone for trump in the last couple of elections and overhearing oakland county, next to it, went for biden by 56.4% in 2020. we are going to watch these three counties very closely on election night, to give early sense of what is happening in michigan. obviously if kamala harris succeeds well in wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania, she doesn't need to worry about the other wing states. of course, their campaign is worried about it, which is why we are seeing the emphasis on

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in the last episode of nbc's the west wing, as president let repairs to hand over the reins of government, his wife asked, what are you thinking about? his answer, tomorrow. this time, with his focus on the day after tomorrow come election day, joining me is martin sheen who played president bartlett on the west wing and mccormick who played deputy national security adviser kate harper. they appeared in the remarkable lincoln project video we just showed you. welcome to both of you. thank you for being with us this morning. mary, they tell me the west wing wasn't real. but part of kamala harris is low -- closing argument has been the promise of people that disagree with her will be given a seat at the table. i think that is an important process. something that president bartlett does quite a bit in the show. talk to me about that argument

because there are some people across the nation including swing states, who still are sitting on their hands and not satisfied. they maybe don't love all the policies of the biden/harris administration but that is not the problem we face right now. we face existential democracy problems right now. >> i think so. our problems are bigger. and i love the ad we all got to do because it is so they should is what presidency should be. it is okay to be hopeful. it is okay to be optimistic. it is okay to expect more from our leaders. i have three daughters and i think all the time, what kind of world do i want for them and i think that women are the story of this election. i really do. women are done and when women get mad and that mama bear energy comes out, which it is right now, i almost pity the other side. women are showing up in droves. i really do. like my friend -- it's done. i really feel like women have had enough and it should've been enough at the access

hollywood tape and it wasn't. and now, when women, one in three women live in a state where they can't get health care they deserve and are dying in parking lots, they are dying on the side of the road racing from hospital to hospital. 13-year-olds having to carry their rapist's baby to term and it is enough. and you know, i just think women are the story of this election and i am thrilled. >> i think you're right about that and i wish what you were saying was hyperbolic that one of the things rachel and i will talk about is it is actually not. women are actually dying in parking lots, getting -- trying to get prenatal care, postnatal care, whatever the case is. martin, i saw something you said where you said acting as what you do for a living but activism is what you do to stay alive. and so you have been out there, not as a celebrity. you are an activist and many people who are celebrities and involved with this campaign are not doing this as a celebrity venture, they are doing it

because they believe in democracy, as are you. >> of course, i don't know myself if i am not on the field and in the fight, and doing all i can to -- which is little, i don't have any illusions about changing anyone's mind or the direction of the campaign. but i encourage people, to get in the game, stay on the field and stick to it like a stamp. and i think mary is absolutely right, the women are leading this whole campaign. they are on fire. and kamala harris has lit a fire and the light is on, and on tuesday we are going to decide if we are a nation of the people of the lie or people of the light. and they are choosing the light. the women are going to save this country and the world. >> is optimistic, the ad is optimistic and mary, again, i want to lean into the nuances that not just exist in this ad, but in the west wing. and as you all created it and wrote it. in a statement signed by you

and your fellow cast members, you said that many of you came to the show with different political perspectives. and that, i think is how we have to understand this election. we should have different medical perspectives. we should be able to debate. we should be comfortable being on other sides of the medical spectrum. the focus is maintaining our ability to have these discussions after tuesday. >> and i think that's right. the coalition that exists right now, if you have bernie sanders and the cheneys in the coalition, something is afoot. we should be able to disagree. the party system works beautifully when people are safe , when we are discussing policy. if we disagree on policy it is one thing. but if people are dying and if you're talking about executing your enemies and you are talking about -- you are mocking disabled people, you are calling veterans suckers and losers. character matters. it really does matter and i think that america is ready, it's had enough and they want decency back. they want some dignity back.

and some tightness and compassion and i think that is where we are headed. >> i hope that is where we are going. martin, by coincidence i wrote about you in my recent book. because you played a lot of important historical figures. but i referred to her role you played in the movie gandhi. you played a reporter. that it was inspired by a real journalist, a man named webb miller who i wrote about as in his duration for me becoming a journalist. this is web are calling dispatch, covering a demonstration in which people were being beaten. and throughout the film, he's torn between being an objective reporter and a human, reacting to cruelty in front of him. which is really an interesting point. this is where we are, certainly journalist are in that moment to say, we would like to be objective, we would like to be fair about everything except we're watching democracy falling apart in front of us.

the same way we think homicide is wrong and we think hurricanes that are destructive are bad, we can say that the decimation of democracy is wrong and bad. >> absolutely, and you can't separate yourself from humanity, no matter what you do for living. of what you see is evil and disruptive, you have to call it out. and the character you mentioned in gandhi was walker and i did research on him and i drew that character from vincent sheehan, who was a writer during the war, his books were banned in germany because he advocated democracy and he did the last interview with gandhi, just before he was shot. i think that reporters, they go out of their way to be fair and give everybody, when you are dealing with absolute lies, you don't have any choice. you have to declare the truth and you have to stand on the side of humanity. otherwise you distort your own spirit and the job that you are

given to do. you have to report the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth all the time, that is what you do for living. and you can't pull away from that. -- was a great example of that when she was covering the war in bosnia and herzegovina. >> a great inspiration and friend of mine. mary, one of the things that makes the west wing relevant, it was aspirational, the way we would like to think decisions are made and arguments are had. in the oval office and in politics. that it is not so far removed from the world that it is fantasy. we can live in that world where we are pluralists, where we respect the view of the other. where we understand negotiations and agreements are the way that we move forward as a country. but you are hearing rhetoric out of donald trump hear the other side is bad. people are evil. they are enemies of the country.

they are enemy from within. the violent frederick, that is the part that should be unbelievable and unacceptable to us. >> it is all unbelievable and unacceptable. it really is. we have crossed, we are so far and reasonable debate and compromise, which is how it should work. we should be checks and balances, the two- party system works well when we meet in the middle. but we can't meet in the middle when we are talking about killing people. we can't meet in the middle when women aren't safe. when my daughters -- daughter's future is unsafe, i am not meeting in the middle there. i think everyone gets that. i think that we are a country that is done with this and has had enough. i would argue to anyone who feels able -- a political or beat up by this, or exhausted, i get it. it is exhausting. it is horrible to live in this much violence and violent frederick and so i would argue, vote if you can, do it for yourself and you feel like forget it, do it for my three daughters, for your granddaughters who i know you love. it for your grandchildren who deserve a planet that works and

do not have to hide schools from gun safety. do it for all the little girls who shouldn't have to carry their rapist's babies to term and women who are driving three states to get lifesaving health care. >> thank you for leaning into the message and thank you for leaning into the work for preserving democracy. martin sheen and mary mccormack. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you, so much. >> another hour of velshi begins now. begins now. it is sunday, november 3rd, two days until election day o with plenty of activity on the campaign trail this morning with things currently underway to pennsylvania where donald trump is holding the first of di his three rallies today. later, we expect to see kamala harris who is making multiple p stops in michigan. we received the results of nbc news