so in case you haven't heard. tomorrow is the last full day of the 2024 presidential campaign. donald trump has four rallies scheduled tomorrow across north carolina, pennsylvania, and michigan, ending the day with a rally north korea grand rapids. kamala harris will spend the day in pennsylvania. rallies in allentown, philly, pittsburgh. for us here at msnbc, we're going to have a full day of coverage and a full day and night of our regular shows. i'll be here at 9:00 eastern tomorrow. then on tuesday, the day. we'll have non-stop coverage starting very early in the morning. this group here lgbt gather at 6:00 p.m. eastern. we will all stay here all night into the morning. it's going to be great. our coverage continues here with our friend jenna bush hager.

well, it's the night before the night before, or for those of you excited, anxious, trying to sleep, i'm sure you could sleep, two more nights of sleep until election day. as far as elections go, kamala harris has had a pretty darn good one. first, a new shock poll out of iowa last night that every group chat of political nerds freaking out, freaking out in a good way, wherever they were, restaurants, bar mitzvah, it wasn't just until poll, but the poll from the des moines register's highly respected and almost freakishly accurate pollster, ann seltzer. and in large part because her focus is on who the electorate

will be for the upcoming election. they always look different. ann, new polls show harris leading donald trump by three points. if you're thinking that seems really weird? well, she won a state donald trump won by eight points? nine points in 2016. we will see. but with numbers like that and a state iowa like coming like a pollster. all of that could be a similars. and we will talk to political experts in the next hour. another good sign for the harris team is her huge lead with women in that poll. she has a 20-point advantage among women in iowa. the six-week abortion ban signed in july. probably does have something to

do with that. those numbers are also coming, casting many ballots. so yes, there is some momentum in the data, definitely some momentum on the ground. we are seeing that at events, rallies. you're hearing it from organizers. speaking at a big rally at michigan state university a little bit earlier tonight. >> two days to go. are you ready? in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime, and we have momentum. it's on our side. can you feel it? >> yeah. >> all in all, not a bad ninth inning for the harris campaign if you ask me. this doesn't necessarily mean she'll win on tuesday. a close race, nearly every single poll you see. none of us actually know what's going to happen. you can feel powerless in that

way at this moment. but all of this will show momentum, enthusiasm. and also backed up by the far stronger ground game and campaign operations on the harris end. to the exat the present time of the quality of the campaign still matters, harris is simply closing out this one much stronger than donald trump. on some level, you kind of seem to realize that. he was asked if he thought there was any way he could lose. i think i have a pretty substantial list and business things could happen two days before an election, is it? and that air is not just at the top of the campaign. listen to what the atlantic, tim alberta just wrote about trump's staffers. "win or lose, they said they were done with the chaos of donald trump, even if the nation was not." first of all i speak for many.

i feel you trump staffers. blink twice. come on over. we welcome you in. i have to ask though. is it really any wonder why morale is so low over there when their candidate is closing out campaign with dark language, like this at a rally earlier in pennsylvania. >> i don't have a piece there. [ laughter ] they have a piece here, but all we have really over here is the fake news, right? [ laughter ] and to get me, somebody would have to shoot thru the fake news, and i don't mind that so much. >> and you did not catch that there. shooting at reporters, i don't

mind that so much, yikes, not as scary, terrible stuff. the very same rally, he also said this. >> we had the safest motor in the history of our country the day i left, i shouldn't have left. i mean honestly, we did so well. >> i shouldn't have left. also not surprising. everyone should fully expect if kamala harris wins tuesday, he's going to challenge the outcome of this election. not a surprise that he said that, but he said it two days before the election day. it is certainly confusing is the best way to describe it and very hard to follow. when you watch the next moment there, are two things i want you to keep in mind. the second is the guy he clearly thinks is president is a senate candidate in pennsylvania. >> and we are great republicans running. you are one of the best right

here, david mccormick. is he around some place? >> no, he's not around some place. he's, of course, running for senate in the state hundreds of miles away. the state of pennsylvania. again, trump was in north carolina. so just to recap here over the past few hours, trump has been using the violence, saying he shouldn't have left office, mixing up what state he's speaking in. it is all quite the closing message. and so i said it before, and i will keep saying it, nobody knows how this thing will turn out. it's safe to say that one campaign doesn't seem to be closing this thing out very strong. one seems to be losing oxygen fast. claire mccaskill works for missouri, and the former chairman and the host of the weekend. both of them will join me now, and we will need to stay calf fated and all those things. i have a tip, and i will be here.

and i'm beginning to change clothes once, i don't know. whatever, we just need you here. i'll start with this poll because i don't think that they will win iowa, and it does tell you what they told me that women, i've always seen across the country because it's a democratic voter in that state or that she does well with. what do you think? >> i think she's right. harris' run is a remarkable campaign. you know, i know, it's hard. it's a difficult one to make sure you spend every time with it and it has to be done efficiently with many different labs.

it's hard. i think it's great that everyone is hearing over and over again that it's time. you know what that does? it scares people to vote. that will motivate people to vote. whose open b tuesday yam is higher? it has been for over four weeks in almost every poll. it's higher. if you think it's tied and you have enthusiasm, you know what, you're going to show up and vote. the other thing about this poll that i thought jumped off the page at me is that she's the change candidate, and that's really what she has been trying to do. what motivates those independent voters more than anything is change. those are the voters that are making up their mind and i know the late deciders in the last week have been breaking her way and honestly if you watch the guy for more than ten minutes, do you know what you're reminded of, jen? that you really don't like the guy. i was thinking of so many things. >> and that he is kind of the

egotistical jerk. for a lot of voters, that really matters. they're there for four years at the kitchen table, the barbershop, the bar, and they are on tv, and they are a constant. and i think there is something to this that people want to like the guy or the woman in this case and they want to elect. she's smiling, she's confident and oozes poise. i feel good about it. >> and people will be happy to hear that. whatever outfit you may be wearing. i don't want to read into this poll and that they are polls. there are a couple of good signs for her including what we saw in the poll today about late deciders, trending for her, including in the sun belt area and up b colluding in the poll that men over 65 were trending more for harris and than anyone would believe or suggest with that thought possible.

what took out to you? what about the last period do you think are good sense for her at this point in time? >> and what stuck out to me is that you have a sitting vice president of the united states whose presidential partner decided for all the expectations of running for president and actually having to do it with 107 days in front of you is a whole different order of business to then take a campaign that is already up and designed and running for one person, translate that to your operation, bringing your people, keep some people and do all that stuff. meanwhile the other party is sitting there, just going okay, we want those curtains over here, and we're going to take out this department and move in these people. for her to run that kind of campaign they have, that is what's reflective of that poll. and i don't think that is what

people thought would happen, and i have been saying along with the small group of us for a long time now that beneath the surface of all of the activity, was, and i think you put your finger on it, claire, and that realization when tay came down to who they wanted for president. the end of the day, you want to like your president. at the end of the day, you want to have respect for your president. at the end of the day, you want to be able to tell your children about the president other than a way in explaining that he did something weird with that microphone. >> and i'm not explaining that to my children and some kids you do. i remember what it was like for me and back in the days of bill clinton and having to explain what my son heard on the radio or the car on the way to school, and i had to do that quick turn off thing. and so that is still important 30 years later for parents. and i think what the vice president was able to do in a

very creative way was to play in a game that looks like a conventional approach. and so she went out and okay, we're going to do this and say these things. and that game was thinking every turn how she could throw her opponent off without realizing. that's why he wanted her out so bad, that they will not want to have to deal with someone they did not know how to deal with, and she was very good at making it hard for her to deal with them, and that is what's reflective in that poll and that is not lost. to your point, how this turns out in a couple of days is left up to voters. thank god they designed it that way and not the way they want to design it, which is why you see them in places like pennsylvania and georgia and arizona and that is why they are trying to misuse the word,

steal the election for him. and the voters are like no, we're not going to play that game and that's what is in that poll. >> yeah, that's a good way of thinking about it and let me ask you just quickly before i let you go and sleep before you do all those things. i asked her about it had and that we have talked about that too and about this group of perhaps uncaptured women and in terms of whether they will show up or not and maybe not telling their husbands, maybe the registered republicans, maybe the registered affiliation. and how will we know on election night if there is that group? what are you looking for to tell you about that? >> and if we know on election night and she wins, then we know what happens. that's for sure and that particular group, and that is a big part of the story. >> and it is a big part of the story and they have not handled that well. when you're in a hole, quit digging. then they started saying well, you cannot tell your husband

who you are voting for, that you need to vote the way your husband wants you to vote and they have to say that stuff out loud and i'm going what? you think that will get them to vote for it? and they will protect them? and i mean they do not know how. what are they doing? they are going after the young male voter and it is very obvious when they have hulk hogan ripping off their shirt and it is a man's world that you could tell they're going after these young low male voters. but the problem with the young voters, they are low voters. >> and women have passion and anger around their freedom being taken away and women dying in parking lots. and they are going to try to get the guy off the couch who was excited about the release of fortnite the other night, you know.

that's a lot harder to do. >> those two parts are two big parts of the story. i'm sure we'll be talking a thousand times over the next 48 hours. >> we will. >> thank you, both, claire mccaskill, michael steele, i appreciate it. two very important states, barnes and the wikler will join me next. they both have a lot on their shoulders. we'll be right back. r still needs me. but sometimes i can't help due to burning and stabbing pain in my hands, so i use nervive. nervive's clinical dose of ala reduces nerve discomfort in as little as seven days. now i can help again feel the difference with nervive. ♪ i wanna hold you forever ♪ hey little bear bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪

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so of all the pathways for kamala harris to win the white house, the one you may have heard over and over and over again is through these so- called blue wall states of the

western states. what's remarkable about the three states is how they have stuck together over the years. even when they have gone red, they have gone as a lock. every presidential election since 1992. in other words, one candidate has swept all three of those states in each of the last eight election cycles. presidential ones. and they p bob the last four cycles. of course, we don't know how they will vote on tuesday. there is a lot riding on pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. the chair of the democratic party of michigan, barnes, where campaign has been campaigning. ben wikler is the chair of the democratic party. they both have a lot. and we appreciate you being here. thank you. so i want to start with this iowa poll today. i mean in addition to the 20- point gap for women, which i know we are seeing in other

states and in other parts of the country. it shows harris doing quite well in a rural white state with some pretty rural white parts of other midwestern states including the two where you were the state party chairs of. i want to start with you, ben, and just ask you if that poll might be a sign of harris doing better with white voters, rural voters in states like wisconsin? >> i will say looking at that poll, it reminded me of what i'm seeing on the ground in wisconsin. it's an overwhelmingly white state. and it is a state with a ton of rural communities. they live in communities of less than 15,000 people. across wisconsin, especially women of all generations, very much including older women are furious. we had a total abortion ban in our state for 451 days.

we do not want to go back to that. and we heard from voters who voted for trump in the past, republicans in the past, that are telling us they are voting for harris this time. that's what it feels like on the ground. >> you're most in touch with what is actually happening on the ground, which is why i'm excited to talk to both of you. what about you? when you saw the poll, did anything strike you similar to the trends you're seeing across women or the country or among rural voters that people might have underestimated for harris? >> absolutely, and thanks for remembering michigan has all of those voters as well. we get so many questions about detroit and black voters here. it's nice to hear someone ask me about the rural voters. absolutely, we are feeling that in our rural counties. folks are working hard in those districts. you know, they're excited, they're angry, but they are not so angry that they are sitting

on their feet. the anger has been turned to effort. these voters are saying they're fed up. they're fed up. they want change, and they are excited to vote for harris. we have done a lot of great work here in michigan to protect reproductive rights. but we all know if trump gets back into the white house, those rights are gone. that work is just down the drain. folks get it here in michigan because we worked hard for these rights all over the state, and we're working hard to protect them. >> one of the things people ask me a lot are what counties to watch. and the political report did some highlights in key bell weather counties. i want to ask you about those. one of them is saginaw county in michigan. let me go to you, ben. is that a county you're watching and what are you

watching for? >> it is a classic obama, obama, then trump county. it has attracted the winner in wisconsin in every election in the century. and it is perfectly evenly split between democrats and republicans. so if we see the democrats are building a lead on election night, that means either some combination of more democrats showing up than republicans, breaking for dems. if that happens, it's probably happening statewide in wisconsin, and it is a very good sign for harris. >> all right, same question to you, quickly, because we've got to keep rolling through the show. i could talk to you all night. but tell us about saginaw county. what are you watching there? >> yeah, we are going to watch for turnout in saginaw, which happens to be home of some of the house races in the congressional race. it's a big county for us for the work we do. we also like to pay attention, of course, to the west side of the state, where we have made some tremendous gains as democrats and then oakland county on the east side of the

state where we have also made tremendous gains. of course, our big turnout push in wayne county, where the city of detroit is. >> so many to watch. important days ahead. thank you so much for joining me, taking the time. love the on the ground updates. coming up, we will head out west where arizona isn't just a presidential battleground, but home to a critical senate race as well, ruben gallego will join me next. breathe, ahhhh! what is — wow! sinex. breathe. ahhhhhh!

okay, donald trump is claiming democrats are stealing the election from him. no surprise. we know if kamala harris beats him on tuesday, he'll undoubtedly say it was ranked. obviously that is all corrosive, dangerous, and we should see through it for what it is. it is important to remember as a political matter, most don't like that stuff. remember when they tutored them

and ran as candidates for the battleground state of pennsylvania, michigan, arizona? they all got fully behind the lies about the election and they were all defeated. i mean it's in a race for senate right now and they have not seen that race for senator that they lost two years ago. that's one of the reasons she's been trailing in the polls. and joining me now is ruben gallego of arizona. congressman, i'm sure you're exhausted. you've been working, trying to run through the tape here. you're not exhausted, okay, that's good. happy to hear it. and let me ask you as we have seen a lot of public polls from arizona, where it is such an important state, your race, the presidential race, and in these polls, we see you ahead. why do you think that is? >> well look, i've been here representing the communities of arizona for almost 15, 20 years in one capacity or the other,

so i have built a lot of time and trusted people. in anticipation of them going out tomorrow and today we would have about probably more than 100,000 doors that were knocked on today. where we are talking to everybody, reaching out to everybody. we're trying to make you a dream. >> and that is what it is all about and about you and what you're racing for is the same thing that they will not

concede. how are you preparing for that? >> we know that she will contest it and that is what matters. i say most and that democrat, republicans, up b dependence, they want to move beyond. someone who is going to focus on the future and not on the past or create more division. what they've done is not just funny or weird, but it's corrosive and dangerous, causing some of my friends, republicans, by the way, that would work for the county to have to go and get their own bodyguards. and now she got sued by them for definition, and she ended up admitting to lying to them. so we are going to come with the pure facts, about how we ran that better campaign, and we will work with our republicans. those that did support us with independence and also to get

together and say hey, it is time to move on. it's time to be united. everyone else that wants to join us, if you still want to donate, make sure to get to gallego of arizona. >> and before what sounds like a delicious and there with you it makes me hungry. but i want to ask you about abortion right, which is on your state. and they would show you that state and that you have been talking about that. and tell me if you think it's wrong. the proposition could pass, which is hard and tay understand. but how do you see it where it sits? >> and look, i think they will pass and i think that she will

win where it is an easy yes or no and when you're dealing with them and that will break it up, all that. independent minded, small government conservatives. and they want them to stay out of the bedroom of their family decisions. and they will come out to vote in that matter and in terms of the politics. at the end of the day, we're leaning forward on the very positive future for the state and for this country. and because of that, based on the idea of the freedoms and the protections thereof, you'll see them win arizona. >> and big couple of days ahead and taking a break from your

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so you may have noticed now the harris campaign is up to their eyeballs with a lot of big voices, whatever it may be. beyonce, oprah, julia roberts. the list goes on and on and on. many of them are doing everything they can to get voters on polls and some are literally running up to people on the streets. >> you said for a dollar. what would you rather see the sequel to? >> yes, there you go. have you voted yet? >> no. who will you vote for? >> harris. >> and i just registered. >> perfect, thank you, thank you. and thank you. >> that is too much. >> and they will kick if you don't vote. >> and i'm voting on saturday and there is will ferrell, and i forget.

>> join the call. yeah. who are you voting for? kamala. what is your name? my name is corey. joining me now is the actor and the comedian, who is not as scary as you might think and that you are a lover. first of all, so many people know what that is and to bring laughter and you would call yourself loud white men for kamala. that it was effective. 12 million views in the first 24 hours. that's not with a happens all the time. how do you view what prompted you to do that? and how do you view the moment that made you want to go out and do that? >> yeah, it's the stakes that prompted me, i have a platform for many years. i couldn't imagine not trying to use it when i think about the consequences of trump

winning. he is a morally, ethically damaged human being, and yet the polls are so close. i thought it was important not to panic because a lot of my friends were starting to panic, so i reached out to will. let's do something that's loud and fun and exciting because this should be joyful, you know, we can't just sit around and be stressed out about it and this is the most important one that i have ever done. >> and i love that you say will ferrell that i do want to see that as a side bar. >> we all do. >> it if that is okay. >> i will. >> the other thing you hosted much more, a sobering video on instagram a couple weeks ago, where they also got a lot of attention. i want to play a part of it. you're very funny and this was pretty serious and sobering. i just want to play it, and we'll talk about it. >> and he is very, very dangerous, not in the cool way that some of his fan boys think

he is, okay? and i can feel that i was out talking to voters yesterday that i did not like that vibe. so please, do what you can here that you have to vote especially if you're in the swing state, but we have to do more than vote and talk to your friends, text your friends, make sure they're voting. >> and so it's a little startling from people that will follow you so closely, but you do learn how people are feeling about it and long before the cycle. where were you when you were talking to people? what will alarm you? >> panic about trump winning. we can't panic, but we're human, right? sometimes you're panicking about it and you want to do something that's joyful on the street. it's a combination. i was starting to feel momentum a little bit.

and i just wanted to -- >> is that the vibe thing? >> it is a gut feeling, i just wanted to wake people up about the consequences here and it is not enough to vote and that is my point because i know we're on msnbc, and everybody is voting for kamala. i watched a lot myself. but it is almost as important to volunteer as it is to vote, and that is also one of the points that i work with them for years and they will make that difference as we have 48 hours here to win that thing as we know they're super close. you can make calls, you can knock on doors, you can go to swing left and it is easy and it is fun and so much better to feel like you're helping the cause than to just scroll and panic,s even though you're panicking, that will make you feel better. >> and it is just an important message. >> and that is the most important time that you'll want to look back even if they forbid. that you'll be able to say i

did what i could to go the extra mile. you don't want to regret it or see what happens in 2016 happen again. we need everybody out there watching this to go to swing left and action, you can make calls, knock on doors if you're near the swing state where they will organize the whole thing for you. i'm telling you, we would send dem to new york and pennsylvania and this morning to knock on doors. it is so great to see people and it is beautiful to see people engaging in politics and not just scrolling and panicking. it's a joyful thing. >> and it is a powerful message as i just mentioned a few minutes ago that you have been active before this that you famously had a campaign to glam up the midterms? and they have been involved in a long time and that i should blend up the midterms, let them make it exciting and it is a serious goal as you want them to be involved and engaged in

that process, so tell me what works because that's big question out there in politics. >> that's 2018 when we were trying to flip the house because trump was in the white house. >> yep. >> we needed to flip the house in order to try to get some guardrails against them, right? and we did and i remember thinking abouted midterms, looking at the statistics that they did not vote and old people don't vote in the midterms where a lot of people will not vote in the midterms. i thought what could we do to make that joyful and to glam it up, you know? so we wept all over the country, events, me, wanda sykes, athletes, will ferrell, we went all over, and we were trying to make people aware of how important the midterms were as we would flip the house and they came out to vote and i'm proud of that. >> and that worked. it was such a pleasure. >> thank you for having me. >> and thank you for using your voice to be so active where it is important that they will not do that. coming up, if he loses, we know

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as we have been telling you all hour, there are a lot of unknowns heading into election day. but one thing you could bank on is if donald trump loses, he'll try to rerun his playbook. we've all watched trump lay down the ground work for a long time as they would claim the mass election fraud, that they could not be trusted. and the new york times laid in,

laid it out as much as he can. they continue to lie and as votes are counted. then that's used to disrupt the process from the vote count all the way to certification. we've seen this movie before. that's what happens in 2020. that's what we should be prepared for trump to do on tuesday. the good news is pro democracy forces have been planning ahead. joining me now is t.j.ducklow, the chief strategist for the pack, which is focused on legal efforts around the election. before that, he experienced trump's election subversion efforts firsthand as a member of president biden's 2020 and 2024 campaigns. it's great to see you. >> great to see you. thanks for having me. >> and they spent a lot of time laying the ground work for challenging the outcome of kamala harris, basically we know the playbook they're going to run. what do you think? you are working on this pack. what do you think will be

different this time? what should people expect to be different this time? >> as you pointed out, this is the same playbook as we saw four years ago. and there are two important points to think about it. first, that was a losing playbook. everything donald trump did four years ago to try to steal the election did not work. he lost over 60 court cases in the four states where they tried to appoint fake electors. those folks were prosecuted criminally. despite the horrific violence we saw outside the capitol. you've seen a number of action including bipartisan legislation to strengthen those institutions even more. and when they go to vote, their vote will be counted and our institutions in this country will hold strong. the other thing is you don't say what donald trump is doing or saying if you think you're about to win an election. you do it when you think you will win one. >> and that's true. this is important for them to hear their votes will count,

that democracy is very much intact. at the same time we know a lot more now, which is why your pack is around. and how are you preparing for what we know he's going to try to do? >> yeah, sure. you're seeing a lot of it already. there are dozens of lawsuits happening around the country in battleground states. republicans have lost 19 times. so you're seeing once again our institutions holding strong. the harris campaign has built probably the most sophisticated robust, impressive voter program in the history of politics with hundreds of lawyers on the ground, ready for whatever donald trump throws at them. but then you have groups like democracy defenders, other bipartisan groups, and who are standing up not necessarily for one candidate or another, but for free and fair elections. we know what the playbook looks like. we know what they can do in every phase of this election, and we are ready regardless of

what they will do in an attempt to steal the election. >> learning the lesson that it needs to be bipartisan. in terms of people speaking out. how are you doing that or preparing to make sure it's bipartisan? >> we've had an incredibly impressive group, the democracy defenders, the republican lawyers like george conway, donald trump's lawyer, ty cobb, the democratic expert. sarah matthews who would work for them and all of this coming together. we need to work for free and fair elections, ensuring every single lawful vote is counted and americans can feel confident when they go and make their voice heard this week, that it will be counted, and we can, you know, the american people will be the ones deciding who will win this election, not donald trump. >> we have about 30 seconds left, t.j. you've seen winning campaigns in 2020. does this feel like a winning campaign to you? >> well look.

i know the folks in wilmington are not getting a lot of sleep. they've got their heads down, working hard, running through the take. look, i would rather be the harris campaign right now than the trump campaign. they've got the energy and the momentum. they're running on the right issues. that's why you're seeing a lot of these late deciders swing for the vice president because they're thinking about what impacts them and their family. look, this is a campaign that is built to win a close election. no one in america that are winning close elections and the team in wilmington. they're prepared and ready, and i think they will have a strong week. >> t.j.ducklo, thank you so much for joining me. really appreciate it. we'll be right back after a very quick break.

okay, a very quick reminder before we go on election day. i'll be at that big table along with rachel maddow and many more you see on your screen right there. plus we'll be breaking down the results all night long. i'll be back here tomorrow night at 8:00 with a big show on our actual election eve. but for now, stay right where you are because there is much more news coming up on msnbc. good evening. >> good evening. >> we are all here. >>