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to truly understand how this is ending, the night-and-day difference between kamala harris and trump, look as how the two candidates are spending the finals hour. at her rally sunday night in michigan. the vice president did not say his name, did not mention donald trump at all. frankly, at this point, she didn't have to. her call for a new way forward and her message of unity is a clear contrast to the ex-president. watch. >> here's what everyone here knows. when you know what you stand for, you know what to fight for. [ cheers and applause ] and we have an opportunity in this election to finally turn the page on a decade of politics driven by fear and division. we are done with that, and we are exhausted with it. [ cheers and applause ]

and america is ready for a fresh start, really for a new way forward, where we see our fellow american not as an enemy, but as a neighbor. [ cheers and applause ] we are ready for a president who knows the true measure of a leader is not based on who you beat down, it's based on who you lift up. [ cheers and applause ] we'll hear from the vice president at an event in allentown, pennsylvania, in a few minutes. her message right now is aimed at and highlights this coalition she's built. it's an extraordinary one that gets larger and more diversion by the moment. from dick and liz cheney to lebron james, a growing swath of

superstars from the world of sports, a small army of celebrities as well. one of the latest celebrity endorsements from harrison ford. here he is explaining why kamala harris has built the broadest coalition in modern american politics. >> for many, it will be the first time they have ever voted for someone who doesn't have an "r" next to their name, because they know this really matters. the truth is this -- kamala harris will protect your right to disagree with her about policies, or ideas, and then, as we have done for centuries, we'll debate them. we'll work on them together, and we'll move forward. >> less than a day to go, and all of the things that we turn to as indicators of momentum do

appear today to be on the side of team harris. the campaign in its late days has been rocketed by a poll that shows the vice president up three in, wait for it, iowa, the poll comes from a gold standard pollster, jay anne salter. she's respected by both republicans and democrats. >> they have a great pollster, actually, a very powerful, very good, talented pollster. >> that was him talking about anne saltser less than a year ago, but confront with the piece of news, trump is resorting to what trump always does, dismissing it as fake. >> they just announced -- a fake poll. hey, think of it. right before the election that i'm three points down. i'm not down in iowa. >> all this brings us to option

number two. that which lies behind curtain number two, what is happening at trump's rallies, which are not nearly as well attended as they wujs were, our colleague vaughn hillyard reports that enthusiasm has waned. a rally this morning was only at about 70% capacity. when trump is not dismissing polls that are bad for him as fake, priming the supporters to reject the results if donald trump loses. when he's not doing that, he's musing about shooting journalists. >> i have a piece of glass over here, and i don't have a piece of glass there. [ laughter ] i have this piece of glass here, but all we have over here is the fake news, right? [ laughter ]

and to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news, and i don't mind that so much. [ laughter ] i don't mind. [ applause ] >> i don't mind someone shooting through the fake news. curtain number two. so, when he's not talking about that stuff or the dictator on day one stuff, the candidate is telling the world something that a lot of people feared last time. he's saying it out loud now. he never should have left the white house after he lost the first time. >> the day i left, i shouldn't have left, i mean, honestly. we did so well. >> shouldn't have left. he did not so well. he did fine. he just didn't win. he lost the last election by more than 7 million votes.

he lost the electoral college soundly and then attempted a coup for which he currently faces criminal charges. it's just one of many, many reasons why, as liz cheney put it today, there is, quote, only one serious responsible adult in the race. listen to her. >> it's not a race where we have the luxury of being -- sometimes conservatives will say i'm going to write in an alternative. and i want to make sure people all across the country understand, you don't have that luxury. we have to defeat him. i can't tell you how proud i was to fill in that, you know, circle next to kamala harris and tim walz. >> wow. let that sink in. >> liz cheney getting emotional about the circle next to kamala

harris and tim walz. i feel you, sister. today, trump stands in the starkest contrast ever to this very diverse, very sunny and positive message from vice president kamala harris, assembly and showcasing her bipartisan coalition on the each of the 2024 election is where we start today. my most favorite friends. mini, former u.s. senator, host of "how to win 2024" podcast, claire mccaskill is here, and michael steele is here. also joining us is senior analyst, matt dowd, whose's cell phone exploded to know if the pollster's result was real. is it real? i'll start with you, thank you, nicolle. i think it's real in what is

happening. i don't necessarily agree that harris is going to win, but the idea that even if she lost by two or three is a momentous motion of the race. in these races -- you and i worked together -- i look for signals at the end. you sort of abandon the polls on the friday before. you look at signals. and i think the celter poll is a signal, which is the underestimation of this race is much more likely to be for harris than for donald trump. the thing about stiltser that i think is important to realize, not if she's up three or where is it, but she in 2020, she was the first one at the end to signal that joe biden's support was inflated. she saw that coming at the end before anyone else did.

she also was the first one at the end to show that donald trump was surging at the end, and she identified that before many of us, many people saw that coming in the final three days. so, to me, what i think she's showing, and i think there's other data bearing it out. there's a kansas poll showing her down ounce five, a nebraska 2nd distribute show that shows her 12 up in a district that joe biden carried by five other six. i think what she's showing, identifying, there's a surge at the end or revelation at the end that harris has not this unestimated vote that the models that the pollsters have been used, which was based on 2020, or based on 2016, didn't apply in a post-dobbs/january 6th environment. whether harris wins iowa or not, i city doubt she wins it, but what she's identifies in my view

is what the other pollster have not caught, which is an underestimate of the harris vote. >> so you're saying you don't think she wins iowa. how are you feeling about the race? >> i feel -- i mean, i think -- i'm very bearish -- whatever the right term is -- i think harris -- >> you can tell you worked on wall street. >> is it like a bear or bull? which one is good? >> bull is good and the bear is bad? i think. >> you're going to have to scaramucci on this. so, i've said this all long, i think this race has been very stable since she got in the race. i've said i thought she had a three or four-point advantage nationally. i think there's a maris poll out today that shows her up. i think what's complicated and what people have been misread and misled is the corrupting

crap polls. gop has flooded the polls, they put out 17 polls today to try to say that trump is going to win. it's all b.s. al these aggregators and all these folks couldn't help themselves. it's a bit like they know it's crud, not good, but it's a bit like you have this poison food or food that's gone by, and you ordered food on doordash, but because court dash is lead, you eat the food that was sitting there. i think many people couldn't wait for the good polls, so they consumed the bad, and i think that's misled people. >> i think, michael steele, that an we don't, as a media know how to cover men on the issue of abortion. i believe we will owe the other female plaintiffs afternoon the

draconian texas ban and others for going public with the story of what it's like to lose a desperately wanted pregnancy. whether she lost her daughter willow, and was grieving the loss of that pregnancy, she and her husband josh were denied health care that makes it unknown if she'll ever be able to have a baby again. the two of them went through it together, and it applies to pregnant women who get in car accidents. before they can get pain treatment, doctors want to know if they're pregnant or not. men are not walled off from it, but we have no way of talking to it about them, and its think it's a known unknown, how men, daughter dads will vote. >> over many years in this space

in the pro-life movement, and as a political player in the republican party, as a candidate, as an elected official, you move in and out of issues like this in a way in which you pick up i think some underlying points about how it is received, how it is consumed by the broader community. i think on this issue, you're absolutely right. men have largely been walled off from the abortion discussion. our attitude in this country, which is still very much a pure tan cal attitude when it comes to women, is, well, you take care of it. that's your problem. that's not my problem. and if the woman resists that, that leads to other problems for her not having to get to go to the hospital. it deals with her relationship with her family, with her mail

companion, and this election cracked that i think in a very profound way. for the first time women have said, listen to what i'm telling you. we've had enough of this one-sided conversation on an issue that affects all of us. so, now you've got to be in this conversation, too. >> michelle obama driving that message home. vice president harris is speaking in allentown. this is where we've had heard the insult at donald trump's insubtle about puerto rico pork being an island of trash has really resonated. let's listen in for a minute. >> good afternoon. [ cheers and applause ] >> all right, allentown, are we ready to do this? [ cheers and applause ] are we ready to vote? [ cheers and applause ] are we ready to win? [ cheers and applause ] all right. good to be back in pennsylvania,

and it is good to be with so many incredible leaders. let mess thank everyone. i want to thank everyone. [ cheers and applause ] i want to thank everyone for taking the time out of your busy lives to be here this afternoon. we are all in this together. i know we all hear know this, but i thank you for the work that everyone has been doing over the last few months and over the next few hours. i want to thank my dear friend, governor shapiro for his leadership. and all that he does. congresswoman wilde, let's reelect her to the united states house of representatives, and while we're at it, please send bob casey back to the united states senate. [ cheers and applause ] mayor turk, i thank you for your friendship and your long-standing leadership. and can we hear it for fat joe?

[ cheers and applause ] and frankie negron. so, listen, i'm so hangful to everyone for being here, including the leaders of the puerto rican community. i stand -- i stand here proud of my long-standing commitment to puerto rico and her people. i will be a president for all americans. [ cheers and applause ] all americans. [ cheers and applause ] all americans. [ cheers and applause ] so, allentown, this is it. just one more day. one more day left in one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime, and momentum is on our side. momentum is on our side. can you feel it? we have momentum, right? [ cheers and applause ] because our campaign has tapped into the ambitions and the

aspirations and the dreams of the american people. we are optimistic and excited about what we will do together, and we here know it is time for a new generation of leadership in america. [ cheers and applause ] i am ready to offer that leadership as the next president of the united states of america. now, pennsylvania, the race is not yet over, okay? we've got a lot of work to do. we have to finish strong. listen, but here's the thing -- we like hard work. hard work is good work. hard work is joyful work. make no mistake, we will win. we will win. we will win. we will win.

[ cheers and applause ] we will win. one of the reasons we will win is because i do believe, when you know what you stand for, you know what to fight for. and we have an opportunity in this election to finally turn the page on a decade of politics that have been driven by fear and division. we're done with that. we're done. [ cheers and applause ] >> we're exhausted with it. america is ready for a fresh start. love you, sweetheart. america is ready for a new way forward, where we seal our fellow americans not as an enemy, but as a neighbor. we are ready --

[ cheers and applause ] -- we are ready for a president who understands that the true measure of the strength of a leader is not based on who you beat down, its based on who you lift up. [ cheers and applause ] and, pennsylvania, you know me, i am not afraid of tough fights, evidently. for decades, as a prosecutor in the top law enforcement office in the biggest state, i won won fights ben big banks, for-procolleges that scammed veterans and students. i won fights again car tells that trafficked in guns and human beings. [ cheers and applause ] we're not going back.

it is my pledge to you, it is my pledge to you, if you give me a chance to fight on your behalf as president, there is nothing in the world that will stand in my way. [ cheers and applause ] we're going to keep listening in. what was new there was the line about puerto rico. we understand that this is really electrified and animated -- it's just so fascinating the things that cut through, right? everybody understands, as michael was saying, every woman understands the -- everyone understand donald trump's duplicity in the dehumanizing the puerto ricans. these cut through and make a -- >> one of my latino staffers

said to me today, i've been saying all along we needed the bad bunny endorsement. it's one of those viral things. >> bad bunny is huge, huge. >> not just in that community, but in gen z overall. >> i think in the world. >> you need that little catalyst. i've had staff in multiple states talking to these communities. i have a senior staffer who is puerto rican. it's made a big difference in their outreach. it's been empowering -- we are talking about men in the movement, having young men like bad bunny, who is extremely comfortable with his sexuality, in thises in world as a young man, embracing this cause has been important. he's been doing a lot of good worn. i was just in allentown -- >> how did it feel? >> it felt great. i was with susanwide and bob casey doing an event on ivf, where senator casey was having a

conversation with her data, and he was talking about his grandson, who was running around, who's only there because of ivf. we're seeing a lot of some enwho may not have been to the forefront, to your point, michael, really driving the conference. in allentown, everything we have seen is incredible enthusiasm. how, claire mccaskill d. and -- are polls still muddled to incorrectly estimate how women feel about dobbs? >> it's an interesting question, perhaps because some of them women are captured in the independent category. they're not being modelled as democrats or republicans. i don't know enough about how they're modeling now, because it's become complicated, because they can't get anybody to answer the phone? do you answer a phone call from

a number you don't recognize? i don't. >> i don't answer my phone these days from most of the numbers i do recognize. [ laughter ] >> here's the problem the trump campaign has. they can't reach out to new voters, because he's never campaigned that way. he doesn't believe in bending the knee and making the tent bigger and saying, you know, come on in, we can all work together. he believes just motivating with grievance and hate will agitate enough people he will get enough to win. he did it once. he failed last time. so who does he need to get right now? he needs to get men who have not voted before. those are mostly young men who have not voted before. who does camera have to get? she has to get older women. now, i'm just telling you, i've run a few races. if somebody told me you get to

pick who you need to try to get to the polls, young men or older women, you would have to be an idiot to pick the young men. they are low propensity voters for a reason. they don't think it matters. they are not motivated. they just think this is all just a bunch of, and they're focused onnerer oath stuff. women are hyper focused on what's happened to us, especially women of my generation. that's whether you see the movement in the seltzer poll, in all of these polls, that's why the ad is bugging them about women can vote and not tell their husbands how they're voting. that gets at the heart of those republican women in the suburbs, like liz cheney, who is saying, hey, this has gone too far. we're going to save our country. i think i'm going to sit here in a couple days, and i'm going to tell you, i told you women would

use the save company. you and the ethics, there's no nothing stronger than -- off women. i think it's far past that. >> i want to make sure. i want to keep going on this issue. we have covered liz cheney and her break with trump after january 6th. we haven't spent enough i think attention on what folks who have been out on the road covering her as a surrogate for harris say is her most effective role. not just prosecuting the case, but advocating for vice president kamala harris. she's advocating on the issue of abortion. >> wild. >> i don't think you have to put those convictions aside. i'm pro-life. what i have seen happen around the country, what we have all seen happen in states like texas, for example, where the laws that the state legislatures have passed are so draconian

that women are not even able to get fundamental basic health care. women who may be having a miscarriage, for example, and can't get emergency treatment. women who lose their ability to have babies in the future, or who end up in sepsis, and in some cases even have died. so, i think all of us have to acknowledge and recognize that being pro-life does not mean that you support the absolutely draconian restrictions that have been put in place. >> because life is at stake. >> life is at stake. look, the attorney general of tex is literally suing so he can get access to women's health records. >> right. >> that's what we have to stand against. so, absolutely i know that vice president harris will protect women's health care. i mean, donald trump says he's going to put bobby kennedy, jr.

in charge of women's health care? we don't have enough time on this show to go through that. [ laughter ] but i also think it's important for people to realize, you cannot count on donald trump. if people are thinking they're going to vote for him, because they believe somehow he is pro-life, donald trump is for donald trump. he will do whatever he needs to do. >> yeah. >> so i think that decision for me is a clear one. it is hard to articulate outside of republican circles how massive it is for liz cheney to be making an argue for the issue of life on behalf of kamala harris. i thought of other extremist movements we've had to cover around the world. the idea that the policies around abortion are so extreme that they repel liz cheney to the point -- he message isn't we

disagree about stuff. her message is that, plus on the issue of republicans are so extreme they're killing women in texas and georgia. >> when liz cheney made her first comments about being supportive of abortion rights in this context of supporting kamala harris, my phone exploded. never in my wildest dreams did i expect to see that. what i think it proves to our movement, we are actually able to break through. it's not just a political calculus, it's a moral shift. it's very emotional, right? >> similar. >> i was just in texas doing press around the death of joseli. i called my good friend congresswoman fletcher, what can we do? she says flight down here. she said, in texas media, it

gets lost. >> tell the story. >> she's an immigrant from central america. she died. she had a much wanted pregnancy, and a complication, a complication late in pregnancy, 17 weeks, this is important. her husband is a -- works the night shift. they are a very, you know, working class immigrant family. no idea what the abortion laws were in this country. he just couldn't understand why he wife wasn't getting treated for her late in pregnancy miscarriage. she had an exposed cervix for hours while they were trying to figure out if her fetus had a heartbeat. hours expose to do bacteria, and she developed sepsis and died. she has a beautiful baby girl she prayed for, who is now being

raised by her husband, who has no understanding of the politics at plays. so joseli, and then a teenager in texas who died last week. pro-life christians family. got pregnant as a teenager, desperately wanted the baby, also died of a complication from a miscarriage multiple days of waiting to say if her fetus had a heartbeat. this is paxton, ted cruz, they are responsible for this. they cases have broken open i think a moral united states from folks who are pro-life that this isn't the way. this isn't the way to address your concerns about the morality of abortion. we must absolutely trust women

and their providers. i've talked to so many republicans, so many republicans, more than i ever thought i would talk to -- [ laughter ] -- but i remember, nicolle at the beginning of my career in texas, we have pro-life legislators chased out by the extremists. that's why we didn't have these cases. we had cases problematic for sure, particularly for immigrant women and women of color, particularly in the border area, because of other policies. the bravely of these two families, their mothers, their husbands, families telling these stories now, everywhere i have gone in the last two weeks, my closing argument to voters has been this -- women have died. what are we going to do about it? i don't want to wake up the day after the election and tell

another story of a dead teenager. we can do something about it right now. that's breaking through to republicans, and i think post election we'll have an opportunity to move policy change and to fix it. we're building a new coalition that includes white men and republican women. i'm more hopeful that's i've ever been. new reporting on the campaign, which peels back the curtain on what's really happening behind curtain two, team trump, messy, back-stabbing cadre of people solely focused on -- a stellar report with the ruthless insiders trying for another chance to do the same in the white house. we'll have that. later in the show, bracing for whatever happens should

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and if he's elected, everyone will. there has to be some form of punishment. i'm kamala harris, and i approve this message.

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that donald trump did. for however chaotic and dysfunctional his campaign seems to those of you who follow it on social media in the commercial breaks, you can best your last penny that things are mo dysfunctional, more chaotic, more bleak on the inside. that is true again this afternoon as we come on the air. we have with us in a piece of reporting that may end being the definitive inside look at the final hours of trump's run for president. the latest reporting in "the atlantic" paints the pour take of a manic nearly unmanageable candidate. it goes like this, quote, in conversations with nearly a dozen of the former president's aides, advisers and friends, it became apparent that trump's feeling of midsummer tedium marked a crucial moment in his political career, setting of a

chain reaction that nearly destroyed his campaign, and continues to threaten his chances of victory. even as they battle democrats in a race that refuses to move outside the margin of error, xhst closes allies spent time warring with one another, rallies to the defense of wronged colleagues, and preemptively pointing fingers in the event of a electoral defeat. people agreed that a capital's appetite for chaos has only grown, and only shows as a reminder of what awaits should he win on november 5th. tim alberta, as if your extraordinary and meticulous adjourningism needs any proof points, we have trump unspooling himself on social media as at his rallies. what is your sense of where he is today?

>> nicolle, you used the word "unmanageable" a moment ago. i think you had nearly unmanageable. i think that's probably the best description. we have on our hands a candidate for the presidency who had been sort of kept on the tracks for most of this campaign, and before anyone watches sort of falls over fainting when they hear my say that, yes, you always get with trump some of the inevitable outbursts, the inevitable vulgarities, the adhominem insults, he was centered around the economy and issues on the world stage.

really even in donald trump's own provocative offensive moments, he was by and large still offending and provoking in ways that were returning the media narrative to those issues. there was some sort of strategic balance they were striking, okay, if he's going to go out of his way to antagonize people, at least let it be in a way that sort of frames the conversation around the issues we think are winning for us on this campaign, specifically around the border and immigration. what we have seen in the last couple months, nicolle, is really an unraveling of not only the strategy, not only the theory of the case and trump's willingness to pursue the kind of tactical approach that his campaign had laid out for the past year and a half, but the candidate himself at the center of it all, he has always been the one who sort of dictates to

everyone else around him how this thing works or doesn't work. this is a guy who did spend much of the campaign kind of on his best behavior. he was listening to the advice he was getting. he was at times almost remarkably response imp to such pushback he was getting from his advisers, saying this is what we should do instead. what we have seen down the homestretch, nicolle, is a candidate who has pushed aside everyone around him, who has refused to listen, who has basically adopted this "i'm right, you're wrong" i'm the guide you got elected before, let trump be trump mentality, and it's made for an excruciating final month of this campaign, where some of the people closest to him have basically thrown up his hands and determined there's nothing we can do at this point to control the guy. >> is the decision to campaign

alongside elon musk and tucker carlson a tacit admission that jd vance was a mistake? >> that's an interesting question. i don't know that you would necessarily get anyone close to trump to call it a mistake, but there's been second-guessing of jd vance from the moment his was put on the ticket. to be clear, i don't think it's just necessarily a dissatisfaction with vance or a set of doubts about his political acon you men necessarily, though that stuff exists. i think it's more of a question of, in this campaign, recognizing that the margins with suburban, college educated, two-car garage households particularly women outside of detroit, milwaukee, atlanta, phoenix, all of these areas are really where the election will be won or lost. i think there was a recognition early on that if donald trump was going to pick jd vance he

was going to double down on the core strengths and central messaging, and that he was going to help, you know, rile up and motivate the maga base, but was there any addition, any multiplication to the ticket? that's been the knock on vance. you're trying to expand the coalition, bring in new voters, if the suburban women break by 20, 25 points, trump can't win. to the degree that anyone has buyer's remorse over vance, it's just that they don't particular view him as an asset. there's hard to find a voter that wasn't going to vote for trump, but once vance was picked, yes, now i'm going to vote for them.

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we are all back. tim alberta, i want to ask you about the violent rhetoric directed at liz cheney, and the dispatching of mercedes shall

lap a liar. do any of them have remorse in the final days? >> the short answer, nicolle, yeah, i think some of these do -- as a matter of fact, i know some of them do. i've had conversations dating back to midsummer with some of the folks who are in the trump high command, and at times i've just asked them point-blank, are you sure you want to be doing this? typically those conversations, not just in this campaign, but over the last eight years have been met with a certain good-natured, others you're part of the fake news, whatever. it's been interesting to me, just at a observational level, a human level how in the last couple months, a lot of those conversations have sort of gone the way of introspection shun almost some, i think, a certain

degree of reflection that some of these folks who are not necessarily prone for reflection, particularly in these high intensity parts of a campaign, are thinking if i had to do it all over again, would i? i reported in some of my previous pieces, for example, chris lacivita, was very uneasy, came to work for him, and let's try to get this guy elected and see what happened thence. now if you stuck the truth serum in their arms, i think they might tell you they wish they could take it back. suckers and losers was not only true but that donald trump really has no understanding of men and women who sacrifice for the country? >> you know, something i've written about before, nicolle,

is that there's this kind of strange phenomenon that happens when people go to work for donald trump, which is that -- especially if they've been on the outside and haven't known him at all. when they get on the inside and they start to get to know him a little bit, they find themselves sort of charmed by him and they like him. and they become convinced like he's actually not this monster that he's portrayed to be, he's actually kind of a nice guy, kind of a fun guy to be around, and there's this sort of honeymoon period where people kind of adjust to that and think you know, i know something here that others don't. and then when they see him getting attacked from the outside they'll sort of rally to his defense and they kind of take on this, you know, foxhole bunker mentality where the incoming is really constant and so they rally to his defense. but then the longer they're on the inside i think that they're kind of -- they become a little bit disillusioned and some of that honeymoon period starts to fall away. i can think of a couple examples

of this in particular and i have to be careful with how i describe it to protect sources. but i was having a conversation with somebody on the trump campaign right around the time of kelly's audio coming out. and this person who's pretty cheerful and consistently kind of pushed back on me about trump and -- the man and the candidate said to me at that time, said you know, i just don't -- i just don't know how much longer i can put up with this. and i said oh, you mean like you don't want to go work in the administration? and he's like, i'm just not sure if i can even ride out this campaign. there is a fatigue and exhaustion and at times i think it would be accurate to say a disgust for some of these people that has set in. and of course that raises a whole subsequent series of questions, well, so why are you sticking around, why are you doing this? and i'm not a psychiatrist. i'm not equipped. and i don't want to speculate. but i'll just say one other

thing, nicolle, i find really fascinating. i shared this anecdote on stage somewhere a couple of weeks ago, but i was having a meal with a pretty high-ranking trump person about a month ago, maybe six weeks ago, and i'd said at that point to this person, i said is there any small part of you that hopes that he loses? and they just sort of cocked their head to the side sort of in disbelief that i asked the question but they didn't answer. and i said really, no, any small part of you? and this person thought about it for a few minutes and said, yeah, i guess there is because maybe we could all just sort of move on at that point. and to me i will probably go to my deathbed still thinking about that conversation because you know that even among the people who have poured their blood, sweat and tears into trying to elect this man for the last couple of years, nicolle, they know that this is not -- something is off here and they recognize it. i think most of them. >> and i will never forget

hearing you say that. that is, as you just said, we don't have the training to understand the psychology of that but that is extraordinary. tim alberta, you are in a league of your own in your reporting on trump. michael steele. >> yeah. tim miss man. his insights into this space have been profoundly important and cathartic for guys like me because it affirms that we aren't crazy and that everything that republicans like me have seen is true. and to his point about being charmed by trump i remember my first meeting with him in 2013, and i was not as charmed. so -- and that's just maybe the sort of part of my brain that sort of works that way. but i also got it. i could see how you could fall into that space and that trap.

and he counts on that. he counts on being able to look you in the eye and do his thing and walk away knowing got you. and that's what works for him. and what tim has shared with us, those people when that fog lifts and they just get a little bit of the light then they go, oh. what have i done? what am i doing? the problem is they need to come out and make the step that a cassidy hutchinson has made and that a sarah matthews has made and others. and that's where you really begin to break it open. >> claire. >> yeah. it's -- listen, this is an exciting day. this is our super bowl. it's my super bowl. i care so -- i care too much sometimes. i get all wrapped up and i get all emotional and i get all worried. but we have a moment here. we have a moment where women and

men who care about women can assert themselves in a way that has never happened in the united states of america. and it is one that we shouldn't take for granted. we should relish it. we should watch it. i think it's going to happen. because i just have to believe, nicolle, in the day before the election when you have a guy saying i was really just emulating eating a corn dog rather than fellatio -- >> it might have been satire but the fact we don't know the difference i guess is the point. >> he could have said that, right? >> correct. >> maybe he didn't say that. but i do know he said that he loved the french fries coming out of the fat on the day before a presidential election. i mean, we are at that point. so tomorrow i hope we're going to wake up and we're going to realize we have big differences with liz cheney but we care about america more than we care about those differences and we're going to move forward and debate policy and disagree and go back to the america that we

all recognize. >> i think we're out of time. do i have 30 more seconds? ah. they just told me i was out of time. matt dowd, they were going to be for you. you'll have to come back tomorrow. mini, claire, michael, tim alberta, matt dowd, thank you not just for today but for all these conversations. here we go, folks. over to the voters tomorrow. still ahead for us in the next hour, one official in philadelphia. the warning for anyone who might be planning to try to mess with voters tomorrow. we'll show that to you after a very quick break. don't go anywhere. ck break don't go anywhere. thanks for swingin' by, carl. no problem. so, what are all of those for? ah, this one lets me adjust the bass. add more guitar. maybe some drums. wow, so many choices. yeah. like schwab. i can get full-service wealth management, advice, invest on my own, and trade on thinkorswim. you know carl is the only frontman you need... oh i gotta take this carl, it's schwab. ♪ schwaaaab! ♪ have a choice in how you invest

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night and the days after as they come, and we have the resources and the expertise and the focus on that as well. >> so you have teams ready to go? is that what you're saying? are you thinking about that as a possibility? >> of course. this is a person, donald trump, who tried to undo a free and fair election, who still denies the will of the people, who incited a violent mob to attack the united states capitol and 140 law enforcement officers were attacked. some were killed. this is a serious matter. >> hi again, everyone. it's now 5:00 in new york. you remember it. exactly four years ago yesterday, election night 2020, when the loser of that election spoke out and declared an early and incorrect victory for himself. when he told the election workers to stop counting votes because there was fraud. there was never any fraud. he was always lying. we know now that he was told there was no fraud. the lies he told then and

continues to spread now incited a deadly insurrection ahead of president joe biden's inauguration. trump ended up leaving the white house, getting on his plane heading back to his club at mar-a-lago, but according to what he said over the weekend he wants a redo, wished he hadn't done that. >> the day that i left, i shouldn't have left. i mean, honestly, because we did so -- we did so well. >> you did fine, but you lost. "new york times" reports this. "the remark echoed what trump told aides within days of his 2020 election loss, that he wasn't going to leave the white house. quote, i'm just not going to leave, trump told one aide. he told another, quote, we're never leaving and added, quote, how can you leave when you won an election? because he didn't. but this time there is one big difference that will make sure that history does not repeat. the daily beast reports this,

quote, donald trump won't succeed if he tries to stir violent overthrow of the 2024 presidential election results for one essential reason. he's not in power. kamala harris's senior campaign official said sunday, quote, currently we have a president in the white house who respects elections, respects the will of the voters, respects the rule of law, and instead of advancing and supporting a coup is going to use the federal government to ensure that everything happens as smoothly and peacefully in the transition of power as it should, the official told reporters during a call. it is true the individual in power does have a reverence to the constitution and the peaceful transfer of power. something donald trump could never say. but the lies that have already been propagated by the ex-president and his allies for years now have never receded. they've been repeated. they're more sunk in now than before.

and trump's backers believe the lies about fraud in 2020 so intrinsically, they've been so primed to believe that it will happen again in 2024 that they're organizing ahead of time this time around. another piece of reporting in the "new york times" says this, quote, groups backing trump recently sent messages to organized poll watchers to be ready to dispute votes in democratic areas. some posted images of armed men standing up for their rights to recruit for their cause. what cause? others spread korns theories that anything less than a trump victory on tuesday would be i amiscarriage of justice worth of a revolt. "new york times" analysis of 1 million messages across nearly 50 telegram channels with over 500,000 members found a sprawling interconnected movement intended to question the credibility of the presidential election, to interfering with the voting process and potentially dispute

the outcome. that's where we are. but to anyone planning on doing anything like that in philadelphia, the philadelphia district attorney had some choice words for you. >> anybody who thinks it's time to play militia, f around and find out. anybody who thinks it's time to insult, to deride, to mistreat, to threaten people, f around and find out. we do have the cuffs. we do have the jail cells. we do have the philly juries. and we have the state prisons. so if you're going to try to turn an election into some form of coercion, if you're going to try to bully people, bully votes or voters, you're going to try to erase votes, you're going to try any of that nonsense, we're not playing. f around and find out. that's what we're going to do. but for any of you in your

little slack communications back and forth saying won't this be fun, you can have your fun in a jail cell. because that's what's coming. >> in the efforts to combat donald trump's lies and the violence that they may put into motion, people in charge of ensuring a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power in america is something we focused on for four years now and it's where we start today. with voting rights attorney, founder of the site democracy docket marc elias. his firm has been retained by the harris campaign ahead of the election. with me at table law professor at hofstra university former attorney at the brennan center for justice's democracy program james sample is back. marc elias, i start with you. i first saw the "f around," and i love that we are talking about enforcing our laws because there are laws against voter fraud. it's already a crime. so the voter suppression laws

were passed in the absence of both fraud and a lack of laws to enforce voter fraud. but i find it ominous that the chatter is such that we need to platform the message that the laws will be enforced on election day. what are you seeing and hearing? >> so look, let me start with some good news. tens of millions of americans have already voted. they have gone to the polls in early voting states. they have gotten their mail-in ballots and they have returned them if they want to vote by mail. and tomorrow that concludes with in-person voting on election day. now, that won't be the end of the vote counting process and people are going to need to have a little patience around that. but you know, democracy is working. it is not because donald trump wants it to work. it is not because the republican party is doing anything but trying to throw sand in its gears. but it is working because in our system of elections, which relies on tens of thousands of

election workers around the country, they are doing their job and voters are voting. so i want to always be realistic about donald trump. he will lie, as you said. he lies about everything and he will lie about the outcut r come of the 2024 election just like he lied about the outcome of the 2020 election. but just like in 2020 his lies were met in court and they lost and they will be met again in the court of public opinion and in court if necessary and they will lose again. >> james, let me show you something that pennsylvania governor josh shapiro said. he was the attorney general four years ago. >> well, let's be clear. in 2020 we had a free and fair, safe and secure election. i was the attorney general back then. donald trump and his allies took me to court 43 different times. they went 0-43. i went 43-0. and we had a free and fair, safe and secure election. and the lawyers who donald trump sent to court to lie on his behalf, folks like rudy

giuliani, lost their law licenses because they lied in our courts. donald trump was in pennsylvania today lying about our elections. we will once again have a free and fair, safe and secure election. and the will of the people will be respected and protected. >> i forgot that it was 43 cases in pennsylvania alone. what is the scale that we should anticipate this time? >> well, it was 43 cases in pennsylvania alone but it was also 60-plus cases around the country. marc's firm litigating many of those. and across the board donald trump lost. and the reason he kept losing is that it's one thing to make a claim in a press conference. it's one thing to make a claim while your hair dye is dripping down your forehead at four seasons landscaping. it's another thing in court. and the reality of court where evidence matters, where facts require actual evidence, is that donald trump has lost again and again in election context and has lost again in other contexts

be they civil, so whether it's a jury of nine individuals unanimously finding him guilty of sexual abuse or liable for sexual abuse in a civil case, or whether it's 12 jurors finding him guilty of 34 counts, felony counts in a criminal context. whether it's a judge in the context of a new york civil fraud case. when facts matter, when there is actual evidence, when marc's team does what marc's team does so well, donald trump loses. so there's no question whatsoever. tomorrow night at some point you can take it to the bank, donald trump will claim that he won. now, it's very possible that at some point down the road he may end up being the victor in this election. but you know this. he will not have won when he claims that he did. >> that's such an important sort of viewer's guide to tomorrow night. i want to ask you, marc elias, about this comment from colorado secretary of state jenna griswold. let me play it first.

>> election officials, or i'll just speak for myself, feel like we're alone. the doj has only pursued less than 20 cases of threats against election officials since 2020. more needs to be done nationally and federally. we need more support. and frankly, we've been sounding the alarms for four years. where is it at? >> the history is yet to be written about the garland department of justice in the time of this threat to democracy. but here's one of the questions i have, right? that we'll know from the voters. the voters will tell us. is there a part of the electorate that feels an added burden to after reading all the facts of donald trump's role in the deadly insurrection as laid out by the bipartisan january 6th select committee, as reading if they have sort of taken in the jack smith indictments, that donald trump has been charged with crimes as serious and as

unpatriotic as any politician in history let alone ex-president, and there has been no adjudication of those alleged crimes. they were stymied in the supreme court. do you think there's -- and it feels to me like there's something -- there's an agency, right? and it's a twist of fate if mer ric garland had acted faster, if the supreme court had -- maybe it would have seen its way through the court of law. and i'm not tilting at windmills here and trying to find a silver lining which many people in my life accuse me of doing. but i wonder if there's something that makes voters realize, you know what? i would have been held to a different standard but as a voter i'm going to go out and vote for someone who i think is unfit. do you pick any of that up in the electorate, in the enthusiasm that you see reported? >> i do. i mean, i think we need to be clear-eyed about a few things. the first is that donald trump has been not just indicted but in new york he's been convicted and is awaiting sentencing.

and the judicial process in many respects moved too slow and too cautiously around donald trump and his crimes after the senate republicans refused to convict an impeachment by moving too slow and too cautiously or maybe more politically than they should have. so here we are the day before the election and i think the message that voters have is clear. it's up to you. it's not going to be up to the courts. it's not going to be up to the department of justice. it's not going to be up to the republicans in congress doing the right thing. they're not going to do the right thing. it is finally up to the voters. and tomorrow when the polls open voters will have a chance to do something that we have been waiting for, which is to finally render a verdict on donald trump and to make clear that he is not an acceptable option to ever serve in the u.s. government again. and so i hope everyone does that. if you have not already voted, make a plan to vote. make sure you know where your polling place is. and tomorrow go vote because

democracy depends on it. >> i double-checked my location because it's been four years and it was covid and i just did that today. i want to ask you about the supreme court. for years republican campaigns relied on voters also rendering judgments about things they wanted from the supreme court. this time the supreme court has rendered donald trump above the law, in the words of other justices, as essentially a king. do you -- what is your message to people who are thinking about that? >> the acronym d.e.i. has gotten a lot of attention in recent years, especially in the last couple years. but i think of d.e.i. when i think of the supreme court in a very different way. i think of the dobbs decision. which is clearly a major, maybe the major focal point for many voters in this election. i think of ethics scandal after ethics scandal. no enforcement mechanism whatsoever. hypocrisy at the highest level, the highest court of the land.

you couldn't do as a member of congress where you're one of 435 in the house, you couldn't do what the supreme court justices who are one of nine are doing. and unlike our constituent branches, the judiciary has the responsibility to the rule of law, the responsibility to due process. so d, dobbs. e, ethics. and i, the immunity ruling app an immunity ruling whether it's judge michael luttig or any of the other conservatives that is so far beyond the pale of what had been acceptable american jurisprudence. you know, richard nixon would have given anything for that ruling. why does gerald ford pardon him? why does mitch mcconnell say on the floor of the senate, well, we have a criminal justice process that can deal with these situations and that's his justification for not impeaching? so as marc said, too slowly and too quickly. right? we didn't -- the senate republicans refused to convict, or at least some of them. most of them refused to convict.

that put us in the situation where it was up to the judicial process. and then the supreme court steps in and says no, no, no, the judicial process applies to all but one. i think d.e.i., dobbs, ethics and immunity should be on the minds of voters as they consider whether or not, for example, if donald trump wins, make no mistake, clarence thomas and samuel alito are likely to be replaced with 40-year-old versions of themselves. if that's what you want, you want the dobbs decision for the rest of most of our lives. >> it's unbelievable. ominous. sort of final thought. and that's why you're both here. marc elias, tell me how you see the state of the lawsuits that you're most sort of prepared for and primed for. starting tomorrow night. >> yeah. so first of all, this has been the most litigated election already in american history and we have not yet even gotten to election day, which is actually really extraordinary.

democracy docket put out today its final report before the election. that there have been 206 election-related lawsuits filed this year. there were only 157 in all of 2020 and that included the post-election. so there's been a lot of litigation. a lot of that litigation has been filed by the republican party and a web of well-funded conservative outfits that file litigation to try to spread disinformation and try to disenfranchise voters. the good news is they're losing. the good news is the good guys are winning. so as we head toward the post-election i want people to not listen to donald trump because he's a liar but also when you hear about republicans filing lawsuits remember what happened in 2020. they filed 65 lawsuits and they lost all but one. and the one they won didn't matter. so don't get caught up in the hype that they're going to try to spread and the disinformation they're going to try to sow. >> you mentioned that donald trump will claim victory before

a result is known. i know you've also keyed in on some of the comments from the proud boys in today's reporting of the "new york times." what are your concerns about tomorrow? >> i never would have thought in a zillion years that i'd read a proud boys quote and think, well, that's actually correct. albeit in diametrically the opposite way that they mean it. so in the "new york times" today there's a quote from one of the telegram message boards on which the proud boys are posting. it says, "you will either stand with the resistance or you will take -- or you will willingly accept the yoke of tyranny and oppression." the amazing thing about that sentence is there have been people, go back to 1776, we fought to -- against tyranny and oppression. we have the tools. marc was talking about the cases and about the voters. you know, tomorrow there's another jury trial for donald trump. it will be roughly -- by the time this is over, 150, 160 million jurors. and what will the verdict be? we don't flow. it doesn't need to be unanimous. we know it's going to be close. but in 1776 they gave us a

mechanism to fight tyranny and oppression. then again in 1870 we ratified the 15th amendment and we slowly started expanding that right to vote to black men. 50 years later, the 19th amendment. and i don't flow if you saw over the weekend, alicia keys in pennsylvania was so powerful talking about just how hard it was to give that right to vote, to get that 19th amendment approved so that women's suffrage would be a thing. attempt after attempt. and make no mistake, it took -- 1870 and 1920. i always tell my students, 19 comes after 15. that fight was hard. then in 1965 you get the voting rights act. we have the mechanism to fight tyranny and oppression, and the mechanism to fight tyranny and oppression is not violence. it's not what the proud boys are doing. the mechanism to fight tyranny and oppression is at the voting booth tomorrow or if you've already voted. >> so great to talk to you guys today. marc elias, james sample, thank you so much for starting us off

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what's the biggest issue in this race for you? >> democracy. and i have two daughters. >> we're voting for her because she's the most qualified and comparing to the -- you know, the treasonous wannabe despot or dictator, i mean, she's more than qualified. >> for me it would be democracy. and just making sure that our rights in this country are protected. >> abortion obviously. you know, i'm not a woman and i can't speak for women but i feel like it should be their own choice. >> it's just i, i, i, i. all you hear from him. but you know, with kamala these -- she listens. you know what i mean? i think that's the biggest thing. >> it's pretty exciting to be honest. getting the say to do something about it, to hopefully change the united states for better is a pretty nice feeling. >> i could listen to that all day. those are actual voters from all across the country on this

actual election on what is motivating them now in these final hours of the 2024 presidential election. joining our coverage nbc's antonia hylton in raleigh, north carolina. antonia, tell me what you're hearing. >> hey, nicolle. well, i've been here for the last several hours at the raleigh harris headquarters. this is the field office. they are having people come in and out all day long hitting the phones, calling people to make sure they have a plan for tomorrow if they haven't voted yet. entire groups have gone out canvassing, and they are feeling really bullish right now. and that's for a few reasons. the first is you know, look, over the last few days the trump campaign has come back and back again every single day suggesting to operatives here that they have some bad internals is that this could be closer than people have even thought in these last couple weeks. then they see the same gender gap patterns that we've seen across the country in our own nbc news polling too. that's what we've seen in early voting data.

early voting started out about two weeks ago, and republicans were really strong, in an almost very unusual way for the state of north carolina here. but then in the final days we saw a ton of black voters and very young voters, gen z-ers who were at many of the colleges around the state. and those groups, those are the demographics that the harris campaign really has been looking for and really needs. and then that iowa poll. and you might think okay, what does iowa have to do with north carolina? but part of this state can look like that electorate. and if she's overperforming with white rural voters there, that is a very good signal for her performance with white voters here, especially white women who are concerned about abortion rights as they are all across this country. but this is a state where abortion restrictions were very recently implemented. and so the feeling from a lot of democrats here is that all those factors combined are giving them that 2008 kind of feeling. in fact, i talked to governor roy cooper and he said exactly that. i want you to take a listen to

some of our conversation. >> our early numbers were strong. 55.5% of our electorate thus far is women. women's reproductive freedom. they are remembering the vote that was cast in north carolina by one vote over my veto that called for an abortion ban here that donald trump's responsible for. donald trump has bragged about overturning roe v. wade. we've seen a lot of women suffering from cruel abortion bans across the country. i think that's going to matter. >> and what i've also found interesting because i've been here for the last several days and i've spoken to a lot of young guys and there's been a lot of reporting about young men moving to the right and there's a lot of truth to that, and i found, though, here in the raleigh area, in greensboro and a bunch of other counties here, young guys are going to the polls with their sisters, their moms, their girlfriends and when i would ask them what matters to you they would literally point to the women in their lives and say, well, she's really worried

about abortion rights and i'm here basically on her behalf. and i thought that was interesting because it shows us a dynamic and a side of young male voters, and i think people haven't really accounted for or talked about as often in this race. and i think there's certainly an interesting energy here in north carolina. so you're going to see democrats out in full force driving people, coordinating with people to support them tomorrow. they think they genuinely have a chance to pull this thing off, nicolle. >> antonia, you have hit on what is for me this black box, this question of what men do on this question that most people of course present company excluded because you're such an extraordinary journalist, have a hard time covering and getting at. thank you for your reporting. stay safe and stay in touch. let me bring in to our coverage former rnc spokesman host of the bulwark podcast msnbc political analyst tim miller. coming off like a superhuman tear from bill maher to your

interview with ann sellser. let me play some of you on bill maher because this is so fun. >> oh, god. >> i think it's a bigger gaffe than people think. >> i don't know if it's a net positive, but having the elderly president give like a marble-mouthed answer yielding an elderly competitor dressing up as like an oompah-loompah garbage man, that's kind of a wash for me. like is it a huge win for trump? to go out there on stage dressed up like in his dad's dumpster truck outfit. i don't know. i hear what you're saying. it was a gaffe. it was dumb but i don't know if trump took advantage of it as much as some people might want to think. >> what i love is like there's this incoherence of trump that we're all so numb to this we're like oh, yeah, he really got him. trump is closing as poorly as any candidate in the history of human politics. >> it was nice to get some

affirmation on that humorous attempt at the take actually for some real reporting. the post was out in pennsylvania in puerto rican communities and one of my favorite anecdotes of the whole weekend maybe the whole campaign was he was interviewing a puerto rican guy walking out of a grocery store and he was mad about the trump dump truck thing because he was -- because the guy was like he's making fun of us again. like he's doubling down on it. people didn't understand the weird bank shot joke that joe biden said something so i got into costume because my surrogate said puerto ricans are garbage and i say -- all people are like trump's calling puerto ricans garbage, he's calling migrants garbage. >> again. >> again. so i think that strategy backfired. and to your point about his closing here, i go back to 2016. he had a model. like he didn't get comey this time. but he had a model to work from which was after comey he chilled out for trump and he was still -- he was still gross in so many ways but he was on message about american carnage and draining the swamp.

he just gave his stump speech for like eight days. >> after "access hollywood" he had the most disciplined stretch of his 2016 -- it was all about immigration and the economy and draining the swamp. >> right. and he was disciplined. and it worked. he lost the popular vote but it worked. he won that election. it's like you know what the playbook is here if you're his team. and he just can't do it. he's just not capable. he's an erratic 78-year-old man that should be very far away from the oval office and the nuke codes and he can't even run a coherent consistent campaign where he stays on message for ten days. and i do think that it's hurting in the end. there's some evidence of that in the data, the late-breaking deciders are breaking toward harris. "the new york times"/siena poll said that in addition to seltzer and that's what the kamala team's internal teams say. >> what do you think of the seltzer poll? >> i'm trying not to get too excited. i interviewed ann about it and i kept pressing her what about this, what about that? look, there's one congressional district where it's like the democrats are winning by 17

points and that doesn't quite pass the smell test to me. not to challenge ann seltzer who's been right against the grain every time for like four straight cycles now. >> i think she's doing right -- there's like 12 times and she got one governor's race wrong in -- >> '04 kerry-bush. it's been 20 years. hopefully we're not due. >> the poll wa tha was in the field before bush's last event in dubuque and i was there. >> sioux city. but you're right. that is otherwise correct. directionally i think there's something to learn from it. and i think particularly with wisconsin next door and the demographic similarities and what we're seeing in the early vote you can see a through line that's like women are turning out more in the early vote, women are -- were the ones driving the gap in the iowa poll. there are good reasons because of that reporting. what we all know about abortion that women might be more enthused to turn out. it's encouraging. and i think it's especially encouraging because the republicans' best data point right now is that the rural

early vote turnout is pretty good. so it's like okay, but if that could be offset by some percentage of rural whites particularly as ann seltzer said 65-plus white women that are like we're not going back. even if kamala harris can improve five points with that group, it's probably enough to get her across at least in those blue wall states. >> she's talking about the women that have just aged into that group who were in their 50s when hillary clinton ran. there are women that she talked about that are new to that demographic. 65 and plus. who are very solidly -- i want to ask you about men too. i said this to rachel maddow last night. i don't want to sleep on men. she made a funny joke. i'm going to use that line again. but i do think antonia's reporting that young men are not a monolithic group and shouldn't be covered as such either is interesting. i'm going to have you stick around. we're also, when we come back, going to turn to this. as vice president harris spends her final day of campaigning in pennsylvania, we'll look at how the latino community there is still seething after those racist remarks were made at the trump rally at madison square garden.

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puerto rican community. [ cheers and applause ] i stand -- i stand here proud of my long-standing commitment to puerto rico and her people, and i will be a president for all americans. [ cheers and applause ] all americans. >> that was vice president kamala harris just last hour in allentown, pennsylvania, a city and state at the epicenter of both campaigns' final fights on this last day before election day in america. now, allentown is a majority latino city in a state home to more than 1 million latinos, almost half of whom are of puerto rican descent. it is a vital voting bloc that harris is gaining support within amid the fallout of that racist remark about puerto rico that trump's surrogate that trump has yet to distance himself or apologize for. and it could frankly cost him the election. harris campaign officials say internal data shows they are

winning battleground state voters who have made up their minds in the last week and by double digits. joining me here at the table, actor exact visit, my dear friend rosie perez, who is back after campaigning herself in allentown, right? >> allentown, reading and philly. >> we also have victor back. victor martinez is a radio host, owner of la mega, whose listeners continue to tell him they are motivated to vote against trump since those comments at madison square garden. he's traveling in vice president kamala harris's motorcade right now. this is as good as cable tv gets, folks. he's literally in the motorcade from harris's allentown event to reading. victor, start with what you heard in orlando and take me through what you're hearing this hour. >> listen, nothing says last minute like in the motorcade with the vice president driving from allentown to reading. so orlando, florida. puerto ricans in orlando, florida are motivated, are engaged, are unifying.

they're ready to vote. i saw lines of people voting, early voting in florida. i visited sanford, florida. and i saw yesterday a line of people on a sunday trying to vote in sanford, florida. back to allentown, the vice president visited today allentown, pennsylvania. talked directly to the puerto rican community here in allentown. there were puerto ricans with puerto rican flags in the rally in allentown. and now we are on our way to a puerto rican restaurant in reading, pennsylvania. >> and what is the feel on the ground, victor, today for where the state's going to go? who might be over the top on tuesday? >> well, with the puerto rican vote i can tell you that the puerto rican community in pennsylvania continues to be motivated to vote for kamala harris. this morning i had a gentleman who called the show, and he's a veteran, and he was upset

because his son wasn't motivated to vote and wasn't going to vote at all. and he said that after his son heard the puerto rico is a trash, garbage, now his son is going to vote in this election. he actually thanked donald trump for that because he was really upset that he defended this country in the military and his son wasn't going to vote at all. and now his son is actually going to vote. >> what do you see on the ground, rosie? >> i saw pretty much the same thing. you know, the anger was palpable, and the fire behind that anger was infectious. i mean, it's like we're going to win, we're going to win, and it was crazy. and just like victor had said, there were so many women who were saying their sons and their daughters were apathetic about the whole election thing, and from those comments at madison square garden they are now, you

know, saying okay, i'm a registered voter, yeah, okay, i'm going to vote now. and it was really crazy. and also, they're all talking about the garbage truck. it didn't land well for trump. it didn't. you know, because i didn't say anything. i didn't want to say well, that was about biden. they were like, and he doubled down. i go yep, he sure did. he sure did. >> there's so much to say about it, though. he couldn't get in it, right? it was such a weird thing. >> and he left the vest on for hours. >> he left the vest on. it was just crazy. someone called him the oompah-loompah president wannabe. i was like oh my god, i'm dying. but also what i found there was the women. the women are very, very motivated. in allentown, in reading. and in philly they are so motivated. and they're so angry. and they were asking me over and

over again how do we speak to our families to get them to the polls. you know. and i said, well, if madison square garden doesn't motivate them, how about the economy? because we're doing really well. >> j.d. vance just doubled down on trash. that might help too. let me put this up in about -- i haven't seen this yet. let's play this. >> in two days we are going to take out the trash in washington, d.c., and the trash's name is kamala harris. >> oh, my god. can i see that again? can we play that again? >> in two days we are going to take out the trash in washington, d.c., and the trash's name is kamala harris. >> forgive me. one more time. >> in two days we are going to take out the trash in washington, d.c., and the trash's name is kamala harris.

>> in my humble view, lights out. women, you can disagree with us. we've actually learned to take it for our whole careers all the time in every forum. but you call us trash? oh. oh, j.d. vance. you just f-ed up in a way i've never seen in my political life, and i worked for sarah palin. what just happened? >> he looks angry. also sweating. just the whole pastiche is horrible. he's an angry sweaty man yelling -- >> who just called the first female nominee for president, the vice president of the united states, trash? >> and it's the day after -- did you see the thing yesterday where the guy shouts at the crowd that kamala's job was on the corner and trump's laughing. he looks at her and says you said it, not me. that's how these guys are ending, just angry and -- >> misogynistic. >> and that's what i was hearing from the women. because i was saying it's not just about puerto ricans and latino. he insulted a lot of other

people. and the women were angry. they were angry how everyone at that rally was talking about kamala harris. and this woman says, i have a young daughter. and we sat there and watched it. and i was appalled. and i had to turn it off. and there were men, there were men saying i have daughters, i have a wife, the disrespect toward women needs to stop. you know, so there are many reasons why people are fired up. just the puerto ricans, we just set it off. >> leading the way. but this is the vice presidential nominee on the republican ticket calling a female vice president trash. >> it's a bookend on the childless cat lady thing too, actually. j.d. sort of became at least not a problem for trump for the last month. but if you remember that first month after he picked, it created this firestorm of reminding women and the men that you're talking about like why they hated trump in the first

place. the total disrespect, just treating them as second-class citizens. and he picked this guy who's out there, you know, talking about how childless cat ladies are the problem and how they're disgusting. and now you close the campaign with calling her trash. i mean, and the empty rally today. if you just look at just the imagery of their last week is just of a lashing out and angry and bitter campaign. >> victor, you're in the motorcade to vice president kamala harris's next event of the day. i'm sure her staff has seen that remark. the contrast couldn't be any more stark. she didn't even say his name at the last rally. and i don't know that she's ever mentioned j.d. vance. maybe that's why he's so mad. >> well, i'm glad you're talking about the female vote. this morning we did a segment about -- on the radio about split families. right? who someone in the family's voting for trump, somebody's voting for harris. there was a female, and i don't know if we have the audio. i provided your team with the audio. a female, a puerto rican called,

a woman, and she said she's voting for harris and her husband's voting for trump. she is trying to convince her husband. she sent him a text message, she said, to explain to him why she's voting for harris, and she reminded him that when she was young she was molested. and that if she -- if that was to happen to her now and she was to get pregnant she wouldn't be able to have an abortion. and so i asked her, i said okay, what was his reply? she said he didn't reply. he read the message, he didn't reply. i asked her, i said you think you got to him? she said, i think i did. we haven't talked about it after i sent him the text message. we haven't discussed it internally. but i think i got to him. >> i think that the idea that men are a monolith on abortion is inaccurate.

i think the case that has been made by women on behalf of the extremist and damaging policies ushered in by donald trump's supreme court has been made to all americans. did you hear anything from voters on that topic when you were in pennsylvania? >> about the men? >> about abortion and about -- >> oh, abortion was high because in the latino community, you know, religion is front and center. and there was this one woman who had to have an abortion because she had complications during her pregnancy. and she told me that her family, you know, shunned her. and she said that after the overturn of roe v. wade she went and told her relatives would it be okay if i died? would that be okay? and she said and they had no response. and that's what i'm finding out over and over with my family, as you know. there's no call back. time and time again, ever since

madison square garden, a lot of the trump supporters had nothing to say. they have nothing to say. and also what was important that i told the women, i said -- this one woman said who was on the street just passing by. she says, you know, as a latina how can you support abortion? i said i don't support abortion. i support pro choice. it's not pro abortion. it's pro choice. it says that i can do what i want to do and you can do what you want to do. america was built on freedom. freedom to believe how you want to believe be and freedom to believe how i want to believe. and it shouldn't be a man telling us what to do with our bodies. that's what choice is about. pro choice. i said, do you understand? and she went, oh, no one's ever said it that way. and i said, maybe no one was listening because it has been said over and over again. listen, when you go to the polls, i said do you have a daughter? she said yes. i said how old's your daughter?

she says 16. what if she makes a mistake? and she went just like this. i said what if someone attacks her? what if somebody rapes her? what's going to happen? if this man gets in office. you need to think about it. you need to think about it. and guess what? i'm going to be hoping that you're going to change your mind. i really am. and she gave me a hug. she gave me a hug and she started crying, and she was like thank you so much. thank you so much. you know, the message is getting out there. and the women i think are going to be pivotal. but i also think men too. and people are not talking about that. >> no, and the -- look, there's the guy that runs barstool, dave portnoy, right? right when dobbs came down he went on this youtube rant about because there are a lot of young men that are, you know

not aligned with this, kind of with these extreme bans. like a six week ban. everyone pro-life young men and i think that's where you see trump and vance really struggle with this. they haven't had a good answer to this question. they've been flopping around. they know it's a problem not just with women but with their core demo. because if they cannot turn the secular younger men because they've been going on these bro podcasts. most of them are not aligned with this six week abortion line agenda and i think the democrats can cut into that in the final message. >> we're going to thank you and hope you get to your next harris campaign event. we're going to have to sneak into break again. we'll be back on the other side. don't go any where.

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if it does happen, maybe 2025 puerto rico can state hood can be on the agenda. >> i want to thank to my women and my latino brother and sisters. don't think because of the excitement and the wave for kamala is going to be okay for you to just sit at home and wait it out. you can't. it's too close. please go out and vote. call a ton of people tonight and say, make sure you go and vote. do you need a ride. i will be there with you. do you need bus fare. do you need subway fare. please do not think that your voice does not count. we need every single vote possible. go vote. >> it's amazing it hasn't happened yet. right. we have. what trump depends on is people feel despair. but we have it all in our hands.

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