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really was. i started hearing from some of you. a lot going on. if you want to pull it up online, watch it back, or share it with anyone, you can go right to msnbc.com/ari. that report, which aired live tonight, should be up within the next hour. msnbc.com/ari. our previous segments are there right now. tonight's special report on trump's failures and what his four years were really like will be up within the hour. that's not all. tomorrow is election day, and msnbc has you covered from morning to night. you'll see "morning joe," our coverage across day side, and 6:00 p.m. eastern, the election night coverage begins. rachel, steve at the big board, everybody you see there and more. we invitia to get up early for it, start at 6:00 as the polls close, we'll get you the information as we get it and we will stay up as late as we need to. keep it locked for a very
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special election eve edition of "the reidout" with joy reid now. oh, we love the music. good evening, everyone. we're now exactly 24 hours before the first polls close. with georgia closing at 7:00 p.m. eastern standard time tomorrow. vp kamala harris and donald trump are making a final push to the finish line, with harris appearing at several events in pennsylvania. including a star-studded rally in philly late tonight. trump is holding rallies in north carolina and pennsylvania before he ends the day in grand rapids, michigan. and we begin our final sprint having arrived at that point in the election season where basically we on this side of the tv screen have said all we can. we have laid out the stakes in this crucial election where one
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side stands for freedom, while the other meets the textbook definition of fascism. namely, a far right dictatorial regime like hitler's germany or franco's spain or mussolini's italy, but also white-ruled south africa before mandela and the black majority took control, or vladimir putin's russia, viktor orban's hungary, or nicolas maduro in venezuela today. it suppresses the rights of women and minorities. uses the military to execute the whims of a strong man dictator and controls and suppresses the press. education, the arts, rewrites history to suit a favored and dominant racial class, and fomentes extravagant corruption in order to enrich the dictator and his friends. we have warned you about donald trump's profound unfitness for office, from his theft of classified documents and attempted insurrection to his clear cognitive and physical
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decline. to what he plans to do if he returns to power. threatening to lock up or even execute his political opponents. increasing federal capital punishment and unleashing the police unrestrained. using the military to suppress protests, banning abortion nationwide by enforcing the comstock act. persecuting lgbtq americans, spiking prices and crashing the economy with across the board tariffs that amount to a giant trump tax on everything you buy that's imported from overseas. firing tens of thousands of dedicated civil servants and putting people in charge of our government like elon musk, who has essentially purchased trump for $75 million. peter thiel, who already owns trump's would-be woman hating vice president jd vance. tom homan, who vows to deport whole families of immigrants that could include u.s.
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citizens. stephen miller, who seems to dream of the return of internment camps to u.s. soil along with mass deportation to make america white again. rfk jr., who trump has vowed to put in charge of not just women's health but all of our health. and who this weekend announced the first order of business will be to end the floridation of our water supply. taking us back to an era when childhood cavities and oral disease were ramp nlt. can guess that's before he ends childhood vaccination to, quote, make america healthy again, by allowing measles, mumps, and polio to make a comeback alongside the coronavirus, and why not bring back the bubonic plague. and there's trump himself. who this weekend topped his previous insanity by questioning whether a greek nba player whose parents were nigerian immigrants to that country is really greek. presumably because he isn't white. and boasted about his own
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beautiful white skin. >> i would say the greek is a seriously good player. do you agree? and tell me, who has more greek in him? the greek or me? i think we have about the same. right? that white, beautiful white skin that i have would be nice and tan. i got the whitest skin because i never have time to go out in the sun, but i have that beautiful white, and you know what, it could have been beautiful tan, beautiful. >> trump also did something to a microphone that i actually couldn't post on tiktok without the video getting pulled down for violating their community standards. but you know, since we're on cable, i will show it to you now. >> people had children in that
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audience, by the way. and he closed out his pennsylvania rally on sunday by saying he shouldn't have left the white house in 2020. he should have just stayed forever. and then, he invited whoever felt the urge to shoot members of the press. >> i have a piece of glass over here. and i don't have a piece of glass there. and i have this piece of glass here. but all we have really over here is the fake news. and to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news. and i don't mind that so much. i don't mind. i don't mind that. >> at this point, what more do you need to know?
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meanwhile, also this weekend, but on earth one, snl fans finally got the moment they have been waiting for ever sis maya rudolph debuted her spot on impersonation of kamala harris. >> kamala, take my palmala. the american people want to stop the chaos -- >> and end the dramala. >> with a cool new stepmamala, came back in our pajamalas is watch a rom comala. >> like legally blondeala. >> and start decorating for christmas, falalala. because what do we always say? >> keep kamala and carry onala. >> keep kamala, carry onala, and end the dramala. that sounds like a monterey we could use as we prepare to make a crucial choice, who wewant to
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be in the world and who we want to lead us. a first woman president leading with hope, or a fascist leading with fear. and while no one can tell you in advance what the outcome of the election will be, the best advice i can give you all tonight is to take deep breaths over the next 24 hours. get good sleep, tune out the politics from time to time to restore your sanity, but make sure that on the morning of november 6th, you can say that you are proud of what you did in this moment. that you didn't sit out what could be our last election. if the worst happens, don't leave yourself wondering what if you had made that one last phone call or bugged that last family member who might not vote or planned to vote for the would-be dictator on day one because they thought, i don't know, maybe eggs would be a little cheaper. if your daughter or your wife has a crisis pregnancy a year from now, and can't get treatment because abortion is
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banned or the doors start getting kicked in from the mass deportations, don't leave yourself feeling less than proud of what you did in this election. because if this thing goes south, there won't be time to ask for forgiveness. the way autocracy works is by the time you realize what you have lost, it's usually already too late. but there is still time. and still a lot of hope and excitement and possibility. election day is tomorrow. if you haven't voted yet, or if your friends and family haven't voted yet, there is still time. joining me now is newly minted msnbc senior critting editor michele norris, and nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. what a dream team to spend election eve with. i feel so blessed, i love this job because of the people i get to be around, and the two of you are just absolute stars. thank you so much. >> we feel the same, i'm sure. >> amen. i appreciate you all.
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i'm going to start with you, ladies first. i just want to get your, as a journalist, as someone who has observed this process and is going to get to observe it at howard university on election night, give me your big picture of where you feel we stand in this moment on the brink of maybe electing our first woman president or maybe doing something i don't know, to me, that's profoundly frightening. >> joy, thank you so much for having me. and thank you for that closing argument that you made. as both candidates are out there doing exactly the same. i find myself perplexed by what's happening on the right. donald trump's campaign in his closing days and in his closing argument seems to get ever more dark. they are talking about america as a failed state. they are introducing policies that have not been vetted or discussed as you mentioned, removing fluoride from the water, banning vaccines, talking about repealing aca. anyone with a pre-existing
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conditions which is more than half of americans and probably closer to 70%, should really be paying attention to that. and you see that in his rhetoric and you see that also in the way that people are responding to him, and by contrast, you have kamala harris who is deciding to go positive. she is closing strong and closing positive which is something you probably would have done anyway. when you talk to people on the campaign, they feel this is all the more necessary because of the negativity oozing out of the other side. she is reaching for inspiration and aspiration where the other side of the table seems to be talking about something that feels like asphyxiation, like closing america off with all that negativity. i talked to a lot of people who have been making phone banks over three weeks and there's one thing i want to share with you. one of the things they noted is that when they talk to people who had voted for donald trump in either 2016 or 2020, and if they were changing their vote, a
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few weeks ago, it was an anti-trump vote. they were upset with him. they didn't like his rhetorics and policies. in the last week, one of the things they said, these are people phone banking in pennsylvania and nevada and michigan, they're seeing more people who are actually saying that they're voting for kamala harris in the affirmative. not just an anti-trump vote, and that's interesting because that means seas punching through. and she's doing it at about the three-month mark, and if you were in a campaign, that's the moment that most candidates start to make their case. she had just three months to do it, and she seems to have been able to do it in that three-month period. people looked up and apparently are starting to like what they see. i think the iowa poll that dropped over the weekend is an indication of that. >> yeah, i mean, i will tell you from the campaign point of view as well, undecided voters tend not to like negativity. it's one of the reasons they're undecided. they see the two sides fighting each other and they want to hear a positive message, and she's
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trying to close with those voters. excellent reporting, spot on the way campaign minds kind of work. i have to say, michael, there's so much about this election that is historic. kamala harris has put on a clinic in a flawless campaign. a positive, hopeful campaign. >> absolutely. >> a fun campaign. just watching it, it's like, and it is so diametrically opposed to the darkness, the vulgarity, the physical vulgarity that donald trump, fuilating a microphone is something i didn't have on my bingo card even for donald trump ever in front of children, in front of families. you know, sort of obsessing about the member of a dead golfer. and then this absolute attack on every minority he can think of. haitians, puerto ricans, people from the congo, women, who are
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not a minority, they're the majority. what do you make of it? is there any historical like to what donald trump is doing? >> never, nothing. this is a campaign that is out of american history and i hope it will be consigned to the ash can of history tomorrow. because donald trump has been saying, you know, elect me, and i'm going to be your dictator. i'm going to tell you what to do. i'm going to use the justice department and army soldiers and all sorts of presidential power to bully you and make sure that you never say a word against me. and i have got news for him, and kamala harris has news for him. and the news is, in the american tradition, we don't work for a president. a president is supposed to work for us. very elemental, and that's what kamala harris has made so clear. harry truman once said, and john kennedy used to quote this. he used to say, harry truman once said that in our system,
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there are only about 17 million americans who have the resources to get their aims recognized and carried out in washington, and the rest of all these americans, they all depend on a president of the united states to make their lives better. kamala harris has used just as you have said, 100 days to make it clear that she will be a president -- a fighting president in the tradition of harry truman, and john kennedy. she has used these 100 days to introduce herself, to introduce her running mate, to demolish donald trump in a debate so he's terrified of being in the same room with her. and she's made it very clear that she is going to use the presidency to do everything she can to make our lives better and to make this a better country, light instead of darkness. so compare that to another candidate, donald trump, with that angry racist rally, who has
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shown us who he is. what kind of america he wants and who has threatened to make this country just as you have been saying, into a fascist dictatorship. we have never had that kind of choice before. ever in american history. that's the choice tomorrow. i hope we never have to face such a choice ever again. >> yeah, and i feel like we couldn't have gotten here without celebrity. and celebrity creating the conditions for donald trump to do something that maybe only charles lindbergh could have done had he run for president, to consolidate millions of americans around the idea of fascism. but it would be deeply ironic if the people who finally ended this were not the republican party, they didn't have the strength to do it, but the american people collectively saying no, we'll take the daughter of immigrants. we'll take the daughter of non-white immigrants. no, we'll take the lady who just wants to do fundamental basic economic things that help us. we don't want the show anymore.
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the show is old and tired and we're over it. it would be really sort of an interesting moment if that is who did it. not a party but the people. >> you know, you used the word show. i might use the word circus. because that's what this is really starting to feel like. and it's not just celebrity. what donald trump has done is very effectively used fear as a motivating factor for people, of all kinds of things. fear of brown people, fear, and frankly, fear of an america that has already arrived. and fear is a very potent tool. it reaches -- it animates a primal instinct for survival, but it is a short-term tool. if you look at the way people study how fear is used to motivate people, it's battery has a shelf life. it's almost surprising that it has worked for him as long as it has. and especially against a very, very positive message on the
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other side. where someone is not just whistling and expressing joy. there's more to that. she is actually walking in joy, walking in her purpose, and spelling out a policy, and spelling out a vision of an america that is bright, and for even republicans who remember reagan's city on a hill rhetoric, that's what you're starting to hear from her. the contrast, you know, could not be more clear. >> it is a fascinating time to be alive. sometimes fascinating is a bad thing. it's such a critical choice, but may you live in interesting times. >> this is almost too interesting. >> too interesting. we just want a boring normal president. a good and competent and sane -- michele norris, michael beschloss, i could not have thought of two people i would rather spend my night with. happy election eve to you both.
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we're here at the trump rally in bozeman asking montanans what they think about the senate race. have you heard of tim shehe? >> yes, i have. >> what do you think of him? >> i think that he is like more
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like one of the more rich montanans that are kind of coming here and doing their rich montanan thing and buying up land and making it more expensive to live here. >> you think he could represent us really well? >> i think he probably represents out of staters pretty well. >> i think he's probably not the closest in touch with maybe the average montanans, i would say. >> considering he shot himself in glacier and said he got it in afghanistan and he didn't. pretty shady. >> that was a campaign video of trump supporters in montana voicing support for their democratic senator, jon tester, or at least not a lot of support for shehy. tester is the only democrat to hold a state-wide office in montana. shehy is a problematic candidate who has made comments, he called women supporting abortion rights indoctrinated, was accused of
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plagiarism and called firefighters lazy. he also seems to have a loose relationship with the truth. he claims he was discharged from the military for medical reasons but doctors say he resigned voluntarily. he also claimed to got a gun shot wound while serving as a navy s.e.a.l. the washington post spoke with a park ranger who claimed he shot himself on a family park at glacier national park. meanwhile, ohio senator sherrod brown is also in a tough race against republican bernie moreno, a wealthy florida native originally from colombia, who charmed women voters in the state by suggesting older women shouldn't care about abortion because they're too old to have children. we have seen a surge in women voting so far in this election. and a poll in iowa by a legendary pollster names ann selzer has set off a giant alarm bell for republicans who didn't even have iowa on their radar but understand that control of the senate and house will in
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large part determine what the next president can or cannot accomplish. and the poll shows that women, particularly those who are older or who are politically independent are driving a late shift toward harris. and selzer explains how the house races in iowa may be the key to what's happening there. >> there's something organic going on, because the presidential candidates certainly aren't spending any money or time here. and it may be in fact that these congressional races are driving the presidential race toward the democrat. >> control of the house will be determined in key districts in iowa, california, new york, pennsylvania, and nebraska. joining me now is congresswoman prubillah jayapal, who leads the progressive caucus in the house. i think people focus so much, congresswoman, on the presidential race that they forget how important congress is. you have been in those rooms and negotiating big bills like the chips act and the big
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infrastructure bill. talk about why people should be focusing on congress and how women voting in such record numbers could change the states here? >> yeah, it's so great to see you and great to be on. the house is absolutely critical. whether we have, god willing, a kamala harris presidency or not. if we have a kamala harris presidency, then she will need a democratic house to be able to push things through, because remember, in the house, we just need a simple majority. we have that awful filibuster in the nat that makes things much harder to push through. but the house ends up being the place where really good legislation necessary legislation happens. so i feel very confident that we are going to take back the house, actually. i feel confident because we have great candidates. they are running really good races. we had really good campaigns. and i think these are folks that know their districts. that's why they call it the people's house. because we have to get elected every two years. so i feel very good about that.
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if we have a trump presidency, we're going to have to be the bulwark against all of his horrendous things he's going to pass. >> we have some video of vice president harris door knocking today in redding, pennsylvania. she's putting personal work in to make sure that happens. and i do feel like there's this sort of civics conversation we need to have because i remember when president obama was elected in 2008, actually, this day in 2008, afterwards, people expected everything was going to immediately change. he was going to immediately get everything done. but he couldn't get obamacare through until they had 60 votes in the senate. having that 60 votes is everything, and they did have it in 2009, they got it for a brief time. and so i do think that -- have we explained enough to voters why it is so important not just to have a president you want in office but also those two chambers, senate and house? the senate right now is 51/49, very close. >> no, that's right. and i think we can win the senate. it's much tougher obviously, but
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i think jon tester is an incredible candidate. if he can win montana we also have nebraska with an independent potentially, and then we have, you know, potentially a state like texas. we'll see, but i think there is a chance, and if we do get that majority in the senate, with 50 democrats, and the house, and the white house, then i think what kamala harris needs to do as president is suspend or eliminate the filibuster, codify abortion rights, codify voting rights. codify some of those big structural things that are standing in the way. i would throw immigration reform into that as well. these are things that are used against usover and over again. we need to actually right the system and help people understand that basically what the filibuster we have given 40 largely white guys who represent 12% of the country's population the ability to block anything including sensible gun reform from being enacted. >> let's talk about this. we know that obviously, the end
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of roe v. wade was a huge factor in getting women out to vote. we know donald trump helped get out the puerto rican vote against him with all of the hatred we have seen in the univision poll, we're seeing really strong movement toward harris among latinos. i want to talk to you about another potentially swing constituency particularly in states like michigan. that is muslim and arab voters. you have been having these conversations because there is a jill stein sort of temptation out there. there are people who are very angry about the current policies of this current administration, the biden/harris administration on israel. what are you hearing regarding how people are shaking out in terms of how they're going to vote? >> well, this is really important, and you know i have been one of the earliest and loudest proponents of a cease-fire and changing our u.s. policy toward israel, and i am out there doing everything i can to get kamala harris elected. and i think people have a lot of pain, legitimate pain from digging out, you know, literally digging out family members from rubble and losing dozens of
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people in these horrific war -- this horrific war in gaza, in lebanon, in the west bank. i will say people are listening to the argument of how we build sustained power for arab american and muslim american and pro-peace voters. how do we do that? under donald trump, we will not be able to do that. this is the guy who empowered netanyahu in so many ways, has told him to finish the job and will be a blank check for netanyahu to do whatever he wants. under kamala harris, we will have to work hard, i'm not promising anything, but we will have to work hard. we can build a coalition and we can actually have fertile ground to organize for peace. it is so important to let people know that. >> it is important to let people know that and to know that if you want to move an administration, it's helpful if the administration won't arrest you for protesting and literally deport you, which is what donald trump has said, he would use the military to potentially fire on
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people who tried to protest. at least under a harris administration, you could protest. you want to be able to do that. >> and denaturalize us and all of the other horrible things. >> exactly, congresswoman jayapal, thank you very much. coming up, the rampant disinformation we're already facing largely thanks to elon musk, and how it could impact election day. don't go anywhere. if you strugg. and struggle. and struggle with cpap. you should check out inspire. no mask. no hose. just sleep. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com protect against rsv with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain,
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the far recognize extremist group the proud boys who played a key role in the january 6th insurrection have been regrouping ahead of tomorrow's election, and among other things have begun amplifying conspiracy theories on platforms like telegram and truth social that a trump loss could only be due to ballot fraud. they are just one of a number of groups already spreading disinformation on more right-wing fringe platforms. but the same disinformation is also showing up on the x site formerly known as twitter. which is of course under the control of south african former undocumented immigrant turned immigrant hater elon musk. one of the biggest pushers of disinformation on the planet. and someone who reportedly speaks regularly with vladimir putin. musk is of course helping to bank roll trump's campaign and running part of the ground operation, one might say into the ground. the group of mostly black
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canvassers who were tricked into canvassing in michigan, seat belt free in the back of a cargo van were fired after speaking out to a wired reporter. you can take the boy out of apartheid but not the boy out of apartheid. elawn munj has a huge financial stake in this election. he would love to control a president who could cut his taxes and deregulate his businesses while putting him in charge of government functions. all while he remains the owner of one of the biggest social media platforms where he can allow right wing disinformation to run rampant to try to help his candidate win. joining me is nbc political analyst david jolly who served in congress as a republican but is no longer affiliated with the party. i think the biggest question i have when i look at elon musk and the various ways he's involved in the campaign is how is it legal? you were in congress. how is it legal? >> you saw some of it play out in court today. million dollar gifts. honestly, it was a fairly
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strategic argument that this isn't a lottery. we preselected brand ambassadors and therefore gave them a million dollars. that's parts of what is unsettling with elon musk's involvement. he's more sophisticated and sober and thoughtful, i know that sounds crazy, than donald trump. >> isn't everyone? >> but in terms of election meddling, diinformation, and so forth, you have an lacter in elon musk who lawyers up with real lawyers for achieving the end means or the end that he wants to achieve. and then you bring in the fact that as you mentioned, the "wall street journal" has reported his frequent conversations with vladimir putin, his own social media following is at 200 million people, that he can reach with disinformation. and we know where his treasure is so is his heart. he wants donald trump to win the race and he's going to influence it by any means necessary. >> i have a headline from nbc. elon musk's misleading election claims have reached 1.2 billion with a "b" people on x, because
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he controls the algorithm. so we have never had a situation where you have somebody controlling the algorithm of what everyone is taking in. he can suppress democratic posts and suppress democratic contest, boost trump content, and he's essentially mind melding with billions of people to try to get trump elected, for his own enrichment. so at some point, doesn't congress need to think about some sort of regulation to not allow someone like that to play on both sides of a political election. >> big question about the regulation of social media platforms, a provider for free speech communities or a producer of content, and elon musk raises the interesting question because he controls it and he's producing the disinformation. you have half a billion users of x or formerly twitter. you have 200 million daily users. here's the most worrisome part for me is this, we know the influence disinformation can have on the election itself. russia, china, iran, all the foreign actors want to cause chaos and disinformation.
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it's verifiable that elon musk is amplifying that disinformation, going into tomorrow night. the most worrisome part is the day after the election. or tomorrow night when donald trump declared victory falsely, now to have an ally with elon musk who amplifies the false conspiracies of a donald trump victory or helps donald trump contest this in states. we're repeating four years ago that led to january 6th, fueled by disinformation and lies. and we expect it from donald trump, but i think we're late to the game to realize elon musk may be an even greater purveyor than donald trump. >> we can't count on the republican party to say anything about it. if he comes out and says he won, marco rubio willsy he won and tim scott will say he won. they're all going to repeat it, and then where are we as a country heading into another january 6th? thank goodness it's joe biden in charge of the national guard and he will protect the capitol, but where do we stand if the republican party even if trump loses definitively still doesn't
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have the guts and corporate america, we're now hearing, will not come forward and try to say this is unacceptable. >> that morning after scenario, again, not to be a debbie downer, we're like 48 hours from this. one of the first ways donald trump will try to say the election was stolen is there will very likely be an undervote in most states between the number of people who vote for donald trump and the next down ballot state-wide republican. and that's how republicans say, oh, votes are stolen from trump. they don't realize people don't like him, that's why they're doing it. it leads us to a play where the certification of the election once again is in question. and i think what donald trump is ultimately playing to is that. he doesn't care who declares the election this cycle. he doesn't care if msnbc or a.p. or anybody else declares it. this is a race all the way to january for donald trump, and a lot of people, even republicans, even maga republicans might say donald trump loses and he goes away. he doesn't go away. he might go to prison but i
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promise you, he will consider running in 2028. if he is not the king in '28, he will be the king maker. he will have an apents republican primary at mar-a-lago to krogh the '28 process. he's not going anywhere. >> last question, have you -- could you ever imagine that a presidential candidate would do what he did with that microphone in front of children, in front of families with kids? >> there's a deep cultural rot in the country. and it's reflected in our politics. and i credit stuart stevens many years ago when he said donald trump didn't change us, he revealed us. donald trump has revealed who we are. >> between that and the people laughing when he talked about shooting the press, the people behind him laughing, it's disgusting and vulgar. we need do better as a country. we'll see what happens tomorrow. >> coming up, a lot of you are probably real stressed out about tomorrow, but it is definitely anxiety provoking. let's all take a deep breath because up next, we'll go over
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with just over 24 hours to go until the final votes are cast on election day, the one question on everyone's mind other than who is going to win is when are we going to know the results. polls will be closing in those seven key battleground states between 7:00 and 10:00 p.m. tomorrow night, but that doesn't
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necessarily we'll know the winner right away. and while there is a possibility that the decision desk projects a winner as early as wednesday, it also could take as long as a week. it all depends on just how close the race is. see, each state has different laws and logistics when it comes to counting and reporting votes. whether it be early, absentee or same-day ballots. in some states we could see results quickly, like north carolina, as "the washington post" writes, the counting process moves faster as election officials may remove all ballots from their envelopes and feed them into tabulators weeks before election day. they tally those results on election day but cannot announce the results until after the polls close. other states take longer like pennsylvania, quote, unlike many states, officials there are not allowed to begin processing absentee ballots until election day, and the process is laborious, workers must check that voters have provided all necessary information, then remove the ballots from envelopes, unfold them, insure they haven't been damaged, and
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feed them into voting tabulators. if there are delays, it doesn't mean it's voter fraud. it means the system is working the way it's supposed to. as those votes are being counted, there may be times where it looks like one candidate is ahead. as some experts at nbc news point out, vote returns can skew to one party early in a night because only a certain type of vote is reported first. like when mail ballots are counted before any in-person election day votes. these patterns can create what are sometimes referred to as vote mirages. and as we saw in 2020, a majority of early and absentee votes have typically leaned democratic, historically. while more same-day votes have been cast by republicans. but it's not looking like it's going to be we need to be prepared for the probability that this is going to take time. and unexpected things will happen and that is okay. it is normal. we also have to be prepared for
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c1 even before the final votes are cast in this election, trump and his mega cronies have already begun spreading misinformation and laying the ground work to contest the results. again joining me now to help us break it all down is nbc election law expert rick hassen. i have a few questions. question number one, people are very concerned if trump comes out and claims that he won the election. does something or anything happen that allows him to delay the certification of the vote? >> the first thing to know is a
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candidate declaring victory or a candidate conceding has no legal effect. we won't get to the official process in each state for weeks. it takes a long time to check all the math, work it up the chain and officially have the electors meet in their respective states. this takes weeks after the election and it culminates on january 6th the congress confirms the vote. for donald trump saying that he won the election as far as what it means for our politics and social peace. legally, he can say whatever he wants. he's already essentially said that if he loses it's because of fraud. so it's kind of baked into what we're all expecting tomorrow night. >> we know donald trump mounted about 16 different legal case, lost all of them. i think they might have had a slight victory in one thing. but they were really zero for
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60 on the court last night. the second thing is, can an individual election denier say in georgia, say i'm not certifying this state and stop georgia from being certified or another state? >> that well, trump is going to have a lot harder time if he tries to replicate what he did last time, which also remember failed. but he tried to manipulate the rules that applied to how we take everyone's votes and turn them into electoral college points that are added up by congress. congress did in 2022 pass the electoral count, the format. closed up a lot of those ambiguities and state legislature stepping in. the supreme court started a case that makes that hard to do. if in a state, you have somebody who is an election denier who refuses to, state courts generally will step in
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and say do your job. they'll issue an order requiring that. this also in that electoral count reform act the ability to go to court and to get a stay. remember if a state like georgia didn't certify, you would have disenfranchised from all the voters in the state. that's not something the courts are going to allow that to happen unless there's a major problem with how the election is run. i think there'll be a lot of noise. there could be some periods of delay. there could be some days of sweating but, really, we are in much better shape than i think people realize because for the last four years those of us on the field have been paying attention wondering what we can do to make things better this time around. >> i asked this of attorney eric holder, he was much more
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confident than i was. we're talking about holder, what makes you think that he may not try to deny harris won the election like the last time. >> on the question of free and fair elections the courts have held the line. it's been conservative judges and justices and liberal judges and justices who agree we need to continue to have free and fair elections. i do see the court as holding the line if trump does try to deny the win. >> i'm glad to see people are more confident than i am.
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happy election eve. before we go some sad news to report tonight. legendary producer and icon of the music industry quincy jones has died. in his more than seven decade career, has influenced music of every genera. working from frank sinatra, to ray charles. even producing michael jackson's thriller album. jones passed away peacefully sunday night at his home surrounded by his family. he was 91. and that is tonight's read. he also produced the whiz which is the best musical of them all. he didn't produce the whiz but made the music for the

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