before we go some sad news to report tonight. legendary producer and icon of the music industry quincy jones has died. in his more than seven decade career, has influenced music of every genera. working from frank sinatra, to ray charles. even producing michael jackson's thriller album. jones passed away peacefully sunday night at his home surrounded by his family. he was 91. and that is tonight's read. he also produced the whiz which is the best musical of them all. he didn't produce the whiz but made the music for the whiz.

okay, it's election eve everyone. which means just one more anxious sleep until the big day. which if nothing else also means tomorrow we will know a whole lot more than we know right now. it also means that candidates are criss crossing crucial battleground states. kamala harris will speak in pennsylvania. her speech which we're tracking and watching very closely. we will bring you live as soon as it starts will also kick off a series of seven simultaneous rallies set to take place across the country. which is all part of a massive mobilization effort to get out the vote in the final night. so this is going to be one of those last big speeches of this campaign. and hey, katy perry is going to perform too so that's also fun. in these final few hours before votes are counted. if you're sitting right now on your couch and you're finding

yourself going to bed. having dreams of states being called. and you're hearing the msnbc music. we're not alone we're all thinking about it. i'm right there with you. for the record just so you know you can cross this off the list. i did learn that kernaki doesn't even eat snacks on that night. it's kind of a strange feeling that after so many long crazy months we're finally here. we saw a presidential debate that prompted a change at top of the ticket. two assassination attempts against donald trump, a joy filled democratic convention that included a dj. you can see it there. i'm sure you remember it well. and little john during the roll vote. a republican convention that had a bit of a different less joyful vibe i'm looking at you hulk hogan. and a debate where harris

viscerally embarrassed donald trump from the time she cornered him in for a handshake. you may feel as nauseously optimistic as i do. but either way it's exciting. because we're going to stop wondering and start actually knowing. i want to tell you just a couple of the things i'm watching for tomorrow because to me this may come down to a few the key of voters. low propensity voters, which means people who have never voted or rarely vote. and trump and his team are really trying to turn them out. with a pretty grotesquic approach. things like talking to joe rogan on his podcast for three hours or relying on elon musk to turning these people out. a voter sweeps stakes and pushing tons of misinformation online. could any of that work. i hope not. but i don't know. we will find out tomorrow. on the other hand, this is the first presidential election

since january 6th. and since rowe was overturned. given that the harris campaign has looked to republicans and independents. people like liz cheney. people who think yes we should have a free democracy. within the results of that iowa poll, the one that shows harris leading by 3 points in this state but also shows harris with a huge advantage with women. independent women in the state back harris by a 28 point margin and women over 65 support her by a more than 2-1 margin. women are also voting early and have higher margins than men and in some key swing states. to me, of many possible stories the power of women's voices could be one of the most interesting and compelling and powerful. and not just at the top of the ticket. although yes, of course.

that would be a huge story. i mean i would love to be able to tell my 9-year-old daughter that there has finally been a woman elected president of the united states. but also the power of the votes that helped get her there and the power of the men who love that woman. and the grandfathers and dads that showed the dismay. that may be how the story goes tomorrow. after i've told you all that i don't want to take down the mood or your level of enthusiasm or optimist but it's also important to prepare what comes next even if harris is elected. in general i think it's better to prepare. russia is putting fake videos

aimed to sew doubt. because this makes us all better prepared. it will all be amplified out there by russia, musk. this time we know what to expect. and this time, prodemocracy forces have been planning ahead. and finally let me just end with this. our democracy is strong. and the american people are fierce. but even if trump is defeated tomorrow he has exposed serious limitations within our system. and it's time to ask, whether a

platform should have the right to work in lower levels of a network about the lies they can spread. or whether the or whether just putting it out there, a convicted felon should be eligible to run for the highest office in the land. those are some really important questions at some point we'll need to consider how much our democracy matters. whether our rights to make choices about our own body matters to enough of the american people. tomorrow we will start to learn, a whole lot more. starting us off tonight is our friend lawrence o'donnell he's of course the host of the last word here on msnbc. it is so great to see you. i know you have a show in two hours so thank you so much for being here. >> at 10:00 it's entirely possible we will just be doing live coverage of what's happening. who's singing or you know the vice president speaking.

tim walz is maybe going to speak in my hour. my ambition for 10:00 p.m. tonight is i don't get to say a word. that would be a successful show for me if we just start staying on live coverage. >> we're going to stay on live coverage as soon as we hear kamala harris is about to start. we may even have to cut you off. >> i'm very good about being cut off. you just watch. >> i have now sat on the set with you for a couple of years and i know you're the best lowest expectation setter of what you're about to say of anyone that i've ever interacted in this business. at this moment as we're looking ahead for tomorrow, we don't know what the outcome will be. but how have you been thinking about and reflecting on what this moment is in our history? you've covered a lot of presidential. >> i would love to get to that but i'm so stuck on the breaking news. and you're opening report

there. that steve kernacki doesn't have snacks during election night. and what if it goes through saturday. >> it is really the over night because it slows him down. >> it slows him down. all right. >> so i'm here to bring the news that the people want out there, lawrence. >> everyone should know when they see him at 3:00 in the morning, the man is working on no snacks and that's incredible. >> and he has 40,000 steps. i'm not letting you avoid answering this important question. people want to know from you? >> you know, for everybody out there who obsessed, began obsessing over the polls two years ago i'm sorry. you know on our program, we studiously avoided them. the polls will come out and i would say, you know, back in may. the polls don't matter. and back then as you know, those polls are registered voters. like they're not even doing likely voters. you can't trust someone in january say who they're going to vote on november.

you don't really get to the real likelies until after labor day. this year i'm really proud of having ignored the polls only to discover the final weekend that if you spend the last two days looking at the polls that's enough. because you have, you have the national saying it's a pure tie. then you have this big shock out of iowa saying, kamala harris is three points ahead in iowa. which isn't that shocking if you can remember all the way back to 2012. more inland president obama won iowa. it used to be something that was winnable for democrats. but you know, that just tells you that iowa poll tells you that there's stuff happening out there that we don't know about. we also don't know if that's going to count in the final outcome here and what must always be remembered is the vote is suppressed in about at least more than 40 states. it's a massive voter

suppression operation. created by the founding fathers. >> the electoral college. >> who got many things grotesquely gone from slavery to the electoral college. think about how many more californians would vote if they thought their vote mattered. how many more millions of votes would kamala harris get in the state of california if those voters thought their vote actually mattered. you would get another million in the state of new york if they thought the vote mattered. i have voted in three states and i knew every single time my vote for president doesn't matter. because we know who's going to win this state. and in those cases it would be the democrat every time. and so, i, i mean i have, i know people in massachusetts who haven't voted in decades. because they just because they know the democrat is going to win. >> what do you tell them when they say my vote doesn't matter. >> i tell them they're right.

that's true. that's the poison of the electoral college. your vote in pennsylvania matters enormously and your vote in wisconsin matters enormously. turns out now your vote in iowa matters a lot more than anybody thought it did. whatever that turn out is it's going to be lower. by the way it'll be lower for trump too. i'm sure, some voters in idaho who won't bother because they know he's going to win idaho and they're busy doing something that makes it difficult to get to town that day. okay. but it is a big big discouragement to voters that this really is you know, it's a 50 state country and it's a seven state presidential campaign and that suppresses the vote totals like nothing else. >> it's a really broken part of the system which is why i wanted to mention. >> it's a disaster, it's a disaster. the only reason this is even slightly competitive is the electoral college. you take away the electoral college and donald trump doesn't have a chance. absolutely does not have a chance.

and kamala harris will be spending an awful lot of time getting more votes out of california alone than she can get out of every one of these battleground states. >> let me ask you because you're the one that always tells me, you don't know until election day happens. you will watch it happen and surprising things the days before. >> you know more about this about presidential campaigning than anyone who has worked in this building and the act is, you have to pretend that i know something about presidential campaigning that you don't. okay. let's play that game. >> we don't have to tell everybody all the things we guess because we want to allow voters to make the decision. that's the thing i've learned from you. here's what i want to ask you about. because you have never held back on donald trump. another thing i watched and admired about you. i'm a believer he's going to do exactly what he said he's going to do even if kamala harris

wins. how do you prepare for that, how do you think about that. >> we're prepared since he's already done it. this time he's already claimed victory. okay. he's not waiting until 2:00 a.m. on election night to claim victory. he's already claimed victory. so yes of course before people go to sleep on election night he's going to go out there and claim victory. we know it. now it's going to be i think it's way less threatening than it was before. it's way, i don't find anything slightly scary about it because you're watching this old goat go through this same old stupid move again. everybody knows it was a stupid move last time. it will look even stupider this time. i think he's reduced to a harmless clown this time at 2:00 a.m. when he does it. i think his followers do not subscribe to his hopes for big

violent insurrections that he's asked. remember he has begged them to come to the courthouses where he's a felon. he has had thousands and they have said you're on your own at the courthouse. we're not going. he got 10,000 people to go to madison square garden. he couldn't get any of those people to go to his courthouse in manhattan while he was on trial in manhattan. he could get a dozen. that was his best day. a dozen. >> i remember you went and visited there were people just sitting on park benches having snacks. >> all totally peaceful. completely unthreatening people. so this, you know this, kind of violence mystique around him that he wants to create. he wants you to be afraid. he wants you to think that horrible things will happen. when these networks were able

to declare that on november 7th there was literally dancing in the street. dancing in the street. from los angeles to new york, dancing in the street in this country. there wasn't one act of violence any where. and you know, the first one we got really was when we got to january 6th. that's not going to happen again. that's impossible. i actually think it's going to go very smoothly. my personal belief which is worth nothing and based on no real science is that kamala harris is going to win and the whole thing will move along very seamlessly. there will be the trump attempts to go to court in different states. they will all fail just like last time. and i don't expect any, any serious negative outcome. by the way if the election goes the other way i don't expect any negative protáegs violent outcome of any kind. >> i hope that is true and i hope you and i can just have a deeply nerdy conversation about cabinets, governing, policymaking.

we can just go in the weeds of all our government experience and policy making love. >> and i get to pretend i know more about politics than you do. >> now everybody knows the secret that expectation set low on what you're going to have to say and then everybody watches you. >> i go nothing. -- i got nothing. i got nothing. i've run out of things to say. >> we've been watching pennsylvania where kamala harris is about to take the stage at one of the last major rallies and campaign. we're going to bring you that live when it comes. as we watch the vice president who better to talk to than senator cory booker. he's been in pennsylvania. he's standing by and he joins me live in just 60 seconds.

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about trying to get us to point fingers at each other.

>> that guy, that's what she's doing to stop saying his name. two campaigns ending on very different notes which tells you a whole lot about the candidates at the top. joining me now is cory booker. you're someone who leads with positivity. you're someone who ran on positivity and unity. what do you think about harris choosing to end her campaign with positivity. >> i love it. we look back at leaders who

talked about america's courage and america's strength. . i'm so happy that she's taking our country higher and reminding us who we are and who we could be if we work together. >> you're campaigning in bucks county. what's the energy like on the ground. what were you hearing from voters. anything that surprised you from your day there? >> look, i was with bob casey in bucks county. i can't tell you i'm lifted. usually people are weary and tired. i am physically tired. my spirit is riding high. bob casey is talking about a packed house. really excited about what's happening.

as i stood at the end. you know how people came up, we took selfies together, i heard their stories. and people have a reason to fight. they have a calling in this election. that's what makes things exciting for me. from reproductive rights to paid family leave, to readmission of the child tax credit. they actually know the difference that a lot of things can make in their lives and their fighting for that. they're fighting for their children, their elderly and the country. it left me really enthusiastic. >> it's always great to be on the ground. it is really the best thing for anyone wondering what to do tomorrow. and something that's getting a lot of attention, low propensity voters. younger black men and there's been speculation about trump making gains. the recent survey found support

by harris by black men under 50 has increased 9% since august. which is a good thing. what are you expecting among young black men. are they going to turn out more than expected, less? what do you think is going to happen. >> i think their numbers are promising. as you said it's better on the ground. believe it or not as you sit here as one of the baldest centers in america, aye been to a lot of black barber shops talking to a lot of black men. sat in black men meetings, conversations. i feel that the madison square garden rally is reminding people this is the guy who

called for the this is the guy who has demeaned, degraded and promoted the most bigoted comments. >> that madison square garden rally. we were just showing video of the vice president exiting her plane heading to her rally. and what is it like watching someone you've called your sister on the verge of making history?

how are you feeling on a personal level on this moment? >> i am really overwhelmed. i'm starting to really feel it. i like she instructed us all run like we're three points behind. and i am starting to feel. i texted doug emhoff earlier because i feel we're on the we

of. a week from today i'm excited to get back to policymaking on issues that people really care about that are going to help their families. i think kamala is going to lead us to that economy. >> always wonderful speaking with you. inspiring, hopeful, all of the things. i really appreciate you taking the time. we're keeping a close eye on pittsburgh pennsylvania. as i've been telling you all show, i'm expecting to see kamala harris shortly and katy perry. >> but first, michael steele, joan smith and favro join me coming up next.

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okay, we're taking another live look at pittsburgh right now. where vice president kamala harris is said to give one of her last big speeches on the eve of this election. it's a point in the campaign where everybody is basically

out of gas. they're just running on caffeine, bad pizza. adrenaline, whatever. and the candidate has to dig deep to give one more speech. make their last case to the american people. i'm reminded of another historic candidate. here's barack obama firing up one last crowd back in 2008. >> so virginia, i just have one word for you. just one word. tomorrow. tomorrow. tomorrow you can put an end to the politics that will divide a nation just to win an election. that pits region against region, republican against democrat. that asks us to fear at a time when we need hope. tomorrow, at this defining moment in history virginia, you can give this country the change that we need. it starts here in virginia.

it starts here. this is where change begins. >> a lot of that still rings very true today. i remember that night as if it was yesterday i was there. i suspect folks at the kamala harris campaign will remember just as well. liz smith is a long time democratic strategist and favros worked as barack obama's speech writer. probably wrote those words. it's that moment when you're in a campaign you have done all the things. you have to get out the people together. that's what you're thinking that night. i have blocked a lot of these moments. what's on your mind? they're at desks, eating bad

pizza. >> eating bad pizza, chugging red energy, red bull all that kind of stuff. but i think they have to be feeling pretty good about where things are. it shows you how both campaigns are closing. she's closing on an optimistic. she's filling these arenas. trump is embracing rfk jr. who is one of the most polarizing figures. >> take the fluoride out of drinking water for our kids. >> and control women's health. she's closing on a message that's very broad. he's closing on a sad message with frankly, the one super power he always seemed to have in politics was his ability to have these huge crowds. it's gone. so anecdotally, there's a lot of it the momentum is on her

side. and that he's run out of steam. >> there's a lot of things. we've all been part of so many campaigns. winning campaigns, losing campaigns. there's things you watch. crowds, polls, there's so much data. what feels different to you right now than 2016 in terms of what we're seeing right now. >> a lot of folks have kind of walled themselves back into that space in terms of how they worry about this race. >> yeah. it's a part of the ptsd. >> i work with my democratic friends and helped y'all through that. it's going to be okay. it's going to be okay. it is the very things we talked about, what's happening with the imperial evidence, anecdotal. in 2016 everything was off in that cycle. the polling was off. the mood was off. the voters were you know, a little bit grumpy.

and there were a lot of things that, that sort of moved the needle in that, in a direction that a lot of people fed into this idea if you were on the democratic side, hillary has to win this. has got to win this. the republican side, it's like oh my god trump is going to win this? that was the mood. that's not this election. people right now, it's very much to your point the energy is very different on the ground. in places like north carolina. where the last poll out of north carolina, the democratic nominee is up by two. right. iowa, the democratic nominee is up by three. you have to say what's off? it's not off because everyone peels better about this. everyone feels good. i'm not going to say everyone but the mood is different than it was eight years ago. i think that says a lot about

how in 107 days, kamala harris came out and she ran the race no one thought she could run. and she ran it in a way in which she did not count as interference where people thought knew better than he she followed her instincts and that is important for a candidate coming in and saying i'm just going to be me. i'm not going to do the performer stuff. when the press starts asking me to sit down with them because they're the most important thing in the room. i'm going to go to where the most important people are in the room and that's the american people. and it changed everything. >> and one quick thing i will add. we're talking about ptsd from the polls in 2016 and 2020. i think we have all internalized that maybe a little too much. because we assume, okay all of the polls are going to under estimate donald trump's support. maybe they won't tomorrow. let me tell you what it has been like 2022, 2023 and 2024.

i worked on the. the poll the day before showed him up one point. republicans were saying that he was down four. he ended up winning up by eight points. democrats vastly overperformed. some of the polling under estimates the anger. the motivation that a lot of women feel to turn out. that frankly a lot of people in the middle feel. >> women are off. he and i worked for a losing presidential campaign. it doesn't feel as good with john perry. we worked for some winning presidential campaigns with barack obama. something that michael steele

has said, harris has been under estimated. leading up to will biden stay in or not. in the days after he decided to no longer run and what he was going to do. and i think that is a big part of it. i want to ask you about that. we know something about being under estimated who won another thing is working on a winning message. >> she had to run a near flawless campaign to have a chance in this political environment where voters are grumpy. they're still grumpy about inflation, the border, and joe biden's approval rating wasn't great and she only had 90 days. 100 days and just shot out of a cannon as you know. usually, if someone is running for president they have like a year to do interviews, to make mistakes. to give speeches, to get their message right. and so she had to walk the

highest, narrowest tight rope. and you can count maybe on one hand how many times that she stumbled in this 107 days of this campaign. so what she has done is beyond remarkable. what her campaign has done is incredible. the work they've done to get her to this point. and she's just been so on message. i do think on this final week, donald trump doesn't everyone have a message right now. he's just saying what comes to his mind. what is everybody talking about. what is the conversation when voters go into the voting booth when they drop off their ballot. what the trump campaign probably wanted is for people to be thinking about immigration. thinking about inflation. thinking about joe biden's record. thinking about the last four years that's not the conversation that people are having right now. because donald trump is an undisciplined mess per usual. and ever since the madison square garden rally, he's just been all over the place.

that's why i think they made the decision on the kamala harris campaign to close with optimism and unity and to talk about what she's for and what she's going to do for people. and you know i was in, nevada and arizona over the weekend talking to voters. and you know, the people who haven't made up their minds yet, they have made up their mind about donald trump but what they want to know. a lot of them didn't know what kamala harris stood for. when you tell them here's what her economic plan is, her values are and her record is. oh yeah that sounds great. and you know, talked to a couple of voters who said okay i'm voting for kamala harris now just because they wanted to know more about her. i think the contrast in these final days is just really valuable to her for in terms of those undecided voters even though there's only 4 or 5% undecided. when they tune in they're going to see one campaign with the

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you're seeing footage right now live of the outside of rockerfeller plaza. we're still waiting for the vice president, we're going

bring her as soon as she starts. so let's talk a little bit about what you guys are watching. you can add in some of your superstitions. i wore cowboy boots the last few months of the campaign. it's a state where we will know something before we see the west coast states. what are you watching for there, michael. >> the last polling out of north carolina has kamala harris up by two. what does that mean? we'll let's take a close look. how much is the lieutenant robinson dragging down trump in that race. are voters splitting that vote where they're voting for trump and voting for the democrat for governor. how are women responding to everything that's happened in the last three or four weeks

that has refocused their energies and their thinking around not just an abortion narrative, but a broader narrative of what they saw unfold at madison square garden. where the racist tropes and the name calling. the meanness, how does that really effect people? is that something they want to share with their kids? tonight, jd vance in his part of his closing argument, referred to the sitting vice president of the united states as trash. and then some other things. my tweet to him was, so i just want to know how you explain that to your kids? how do you tell your children, that as an adult, elected leader who wants to be vice president of the united states that that's okay. so when they go to the schoolyard tomorrow and you know they can get into that. are you going to be okay with

your daughters calling their friends or people in their class names. so i think for a lot of parents and especially women. that kind of messaging at the end of the hour, really resinates home with them. so i'm looking for that in north carolina and georgia in places that, democrats typically have not played or fared well. but right now have the chance to really upset the chess board. >> what about you liz? what are you watching? >> i've been fascinated to see the gender gap. i'm looking at that in terms of early vote and i'll be looking for that in the exits. and you know, anecdotally, i talked to our mutual friend mallory. she said the phenomenon of

super woman, she's encountered that. you go to a home that has a trump sign and they say, my husband, my son are voting for trump but i'm voting for harris and they don't need to know about that. you want to know more empirical data. we were talking about the data. 1.5 million early votes have been cast. 55% by one, 45% by men. and unless there's a massive surge of men voting tomorrow. that is a very, very good sign for democrats. it also shows that our strategy has paid off. we have a fantastic senate candidate there. senator tammy baldwin and she's

made a point of going across the state talking to women in rural counties as well as milwaukee and dane county. i think that approach is really important. again i'm going to go back to this. the closing argument from trump, there's no course correction. they're not trying to, come and stay for their really horrific positions on abortion. as more bad news is coming about women, who have died from pregnancy complications because they couldn't receive life saving health care in texas and places like that. we haven't seen the trump campaign try to compensate for that in other areas. again, that msg rally putting rfk jr. out and having the disgusting rhetoric you heard from j.d. vance. >> we had this conversation about women, it was so powerful people can find it online. and i think the stories are just so incredibly impactful. i want to bring john farber back into this. what are the early things

you're watching for? i've done enough campaigns with you to know you're on the roller coaster and deep on the data on election day. but i also want to ask you, because i talked with tommy about this last week. and nicole wells made this point, one thing that is not tracked is how the abortion bans and dobbs is impacting men. you have two kids. but even for people who are older who have daughters, i think, that's a piece that's kind of uncaptured, untracked. how do you think about that and how are you watching that piece? >> yeah, it's funny. you were talking about liz was talking about the vote of women who there's a trump sign on the front yard and if there's a woman there, they are going to vote for harris. we encountered the reverse of that in arizona.

there was a woman who's son was voting for kamala harris. which is great, we love that. but yeah no, i think there's an issue that's obviously deeply affecting women, it affects families. this is about how and when to start a family. we heard michelle obama make the case specifically to men very powerfully when she was in michigan last weekend. i thought it was maybe the most powerful of all the discussion we've had about outreach to men and bro podcasts and all of this kind of stuff. i thought michelle's message men about reproductive freedom was the most powerful i've heard all cycle. for me i'm looking tomorrow it's been really hard to analyze the early vote because voting behavior has changed so much. it's really hard to compare it to 2020. obviously, donald trump and the republican party have encouraged their voters to vote early.

but we haven't talked about the flip side which is a lot of democrats voted early in 2020 because we're in the middle of a pandemic. and people didn't want to wait in line and go in person to polling stations and drop their ballots off. so i'll be looking for turn out numbers throughout the day. and then i think i'll be looking at the suburbs around places like atlanta, and the research triangle in north carolina and rally and durham. and seeing if, democratic turn out and margins in those suburbs is really high and if kamala harris can match or exceed joe biden's levels in those suburbs then i think it's going to be a good night. i'm also looking for those counties that resemble some of the counties in iowa where that selzer poll came from. because if it's anything even close to directionally true. then that means, places like wisconsin, places like michigan. a lot of suburbs around big cities. they could, they could look

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c1 okay, we're looking live at pittsburgh pennsylvania where kamala harris is about to speak at her second to last rally of the night. it's election eve. and the rachel maddow show starts right now. rachel, this is like a very exciting election eve to be watching. >> this is like the first, kind of the first time you've been on one of these particular roller coasters with us, jen. you have been through campaigns in a lot of different