breaking down the results at the big board and we will be here until the wee hours of the early morning. i don't know until what time, but i know on wednesday at 6:00 a.m. wednesday, morning joe continues with analysis of the election. on that note, here we are. it is election day. are you ready? you better go to bed because it is a big one tomorrow. thank you for staying up extra extra late and we will do that again tomorrow. i will see you then. ♪

okay. it is election eve, everyone, which means one more anxious sleep until the big day. which if nothing else means tomorrow we will know a whole lot more than we know right now. it also means it has a days candidates are crisscrossing battleground states including during this hour. kamala harris will speak in pittsburgh and her speech there , which were tracking and watching very closely, and we will bring it live when it starts, will kickoff a series of seven simultaneous rallies set to take place across the country. which is part of a massive mobilization effort to get out the vote in the final night. this will be one of those last big speeches of this campaign. katy perry will perform too and that's fun. in the final few hours before votes are counted, if you were sitting at home and you are finding yourself going to bed, having dreams about

battleground races being called are humming the msnbc election music or musing about what is next. steve kornacki will give updates at the big board all night tomorrow night. you are not alone. we are all thinking about it and i am with you. and for the record, i did learn today the steve kornacki does not even eat snacks that night. there is a strange feeling that after so many long, crazy months, we are finally here. we saw presidential debate that prompted a change at the top of the ticket. two assassination attempts against trump. a joy filled democratic convention that included a dj and lil jon during the roll call vote. a republican convention that had a bit of a different, less joyful five. i'm looking at you hulk hogan, and a debate in which kamala harris eviscerated and embarrassed donald trump in front of the entire country from the moment she aggressively cornered him for a

handshake. there have been too many twists and turns to count and now it's happening. you may feel as nauseous leak optimistic as i do, but it is exciting. we are about to stop wondering and then knowing. i will tell you a couple of things i am watching for tomorrow. to me, this may come down to a few key groups of voters. first is with the call flow propensity voters which means people who have never voted or rarely vote. trump and his team are really trying to turn them out. with a pretty grotesque approach. things like talking with joe rogan on his podcast for three hours or relying on elon musk to turn voters out. a questionably legal voter sweepstakes and pushing tons of disinformation online. could any of that work? i hope not but i do not know. on the other hand, this is the first presidential election

since january 6. and since roe was overturned. given that, the harris campaign has been focused on appealing to different groups of voters. like independents and even republicans. people like liz cheney, people who value country over party and believe that we should have a functioning democracy. they are appealing to women which every indication we have seen tells us is working. within the results of that iowa poll which i'm sure you have heard about by now, the one that shows harris leading by three points in the state, and it shows harris with a huge advantage with women. independent women back her bite 20% and over 65 in a will to- one margin. women are voting at higher margins than men and in key swing states. to me, of any possible story tomorrow night, and there will be many, the power of women's voices in politics could be one

of the most interesting and compelling and powerful. not just at the top of the ticket although that would be a huge story. i would love to be able to tell my 9-year-old daughter that there has finally been a woman elected president of the united states. also, the power the women whose votes could help get her there. the power of the men who love those women. the husbands and brothers and dads who might use it to show outrage and discussed it with the doves decision took away from the women they love. the scary situation that it let them in. that power and action would be an incredibly hopeful and inspiring story. that may be how the story goes tomorrow. after i told you all of that, do not want to take down the mood or your level of enthusiasm or optimism. it's important to prepare for what comes next, even if here's is elected. in general, it's better to know in advance and prepare for what propaganda bullies may do. that's why the government is warning that russia is putting out fake videos aimed to sow

doubt because calling things like this in advance makes us better prepared to address it if and when that happens. yes, trump will likely prematurely claim victory. his supporters will lie and cry file about the integrity of the election and they will use their debt to disrupt the process from vote counting to certification. it will be amplified out there by bad actors including russia and elon musk and many other their bad actor buddies. we have seen this movie before. yeah, it's kind of a scary one, but this time we know what to expect, and this time, pro- democracy forces have been planning ahead. let me end with this. our democracy is strong, and the american people are fierce. but even if trump is defeated tomorrow, he is exposed during his time out there some serious limitations within our system. it may be time to ask whether social media platforms should have the freedom to operate at

a lower level of accountability than local television networks in terms of the lies they can spread or whether the electoral college is a right way to determine who should lead this country, or whether, just putting it out there, a convicted felon should be eligible to run for the highest office in the land. those are some really important questions. at sometime we need to consider but there's plenty of time for that.'s questions are not for tomorrow. tomorrow is about answers and finally learning how much protecting our democracy matters. whether morality and character matter. weather rights to make choices about our own bodies matter enough to enough of the american people. tomorrow we will start to learn a whole lot more. starting us off tonight is my friend, lawrence o'donnell, the host of the last word on msnbc. it's great to see your. you have a show in two hours so thank you for being with me. >> at 10:00. it's possible we will be doing live coverage of what's happening, who is singing or

the vice president speaking. tim walz may speak. my ambition for 10:00 p.m. tonight is i don't get to say a word. that would be a successful show if we are staying on live coverage. >> we will stay on live coverage when we hear kamala harris is about to start and we even make cut you off. >> i am good about being cut off. >> i have sat on the step -- stage with you and you are in terms of what you are about to say in your smart thought of anyone i have ever interacted with in this business. i did want to ask. in this moment as we look ahead to tomorrow, we do not know what the outcome will be. the voters will determine the outcome. how have you been reflecting on what this moment is in our history? >> i would love to get to that. i am so stuck on the breaking news in your opening report. that steve kornacki does not

have snacks during election night? what about when it goes all the way to saturday? >> then he may. it's the overnight because it slows him down. i am here to bring the news the people went out there. >> when they see him at 3:00 a.m., the man is working on no snacks. that's incredible. >> i am not letting you avoid answering this important question we want to know from you. >> for everybody out there who obsessed, begin obsessing over the post two years ago, i am sorry. on our program, we studiously avoided them. the polls would come out, and i would say back in may, the polls don't matter. back then, as you know, the polls are registered voters. they're not even doing likely voters. you cannot trust someone saying in february they will vote in

november. you don't get to the real likely until after labor day. this year, i am proud of having ignored the polls completely, only to discover on the final weekend, if you just spent the last two days looking at the polls, that is enough. you have the national saying it's a tie and then you have this big shock out of iowa. saying kamala harris is three points ahead in iowa. which isn't that shocking if you remember back to 2012 when president obama won't go iowa. it used to be something that was winnable for democrats. that tells you that there is stuff happening out there we do not know about. we also do not know if that will count in the final outcome here. what must always be remembered is the vote is suppressed in about, at least more than 40 states. there is a massive voter suppression operation created

by the founding fathers. >> the electoral college. >> correct to get many things grotesquely wrong from slavery to the electoral college. think of how many more californians would vote if they thought their vote mattered? how many more millions of votes would kamala harris get in the state of california if those voters thought their vote actually mattered? would she get another million in the state of new york if they thought the vote mattered? i voted in three states in my life. massachusetts, in your, and california, and i knew every time my vote for president does not matter. we know who's going to win the state in those cases the democrat every time. i know people in massachusetts who have not voted in decades because they know the democrats will win. >> what do you tell them? >> i tell them they are right. that is true.

that's the electoral college. that's the poison of the electoral college and you vote in pennsylvania matters enormously and in wisconsin matters enormously. now your vote in iowa matters more than anybody thought it did. whatever that turnout is, it will be lower. it will be lower for trump too. i am sure some voters in idaho who will not bother because they know he will win idaho in this busy doing something that makes it difficult to get to town that day. it's a big discouragement to voters that this really is, it's a 50 stay country and a seven state presidential campaign, and that suppresses the vote total. >> it's a broken part of the system which is why i wanted to mention -- >> it's a disaster and the only reason this is even slightly competitive is the electoral college. you take away the electoral college and trump doesn't have a chance.

absolutely doesn't have a chance and kamala harris would be spending a lot of time getting more votes out of california, alone, and she can get out of every one of these battleground states by campaigning there constantly. >> let me ask you because you always tell me, you don't know until election day happens. we will watch what happens and there are surprising things the weekend and days before. six months that you have no idea. >> you know more about residential campaigning then anyone who worked in this building, and the -- you have to pretend i know something about presidential campaigning that you don't? >> we don't have to tell everybody every thing the things we guess because we want voters to make the decision. here is what i want to ask. you have never held back on donald trump. another thing of watched and admired about you. i am a believer that he will do what he said he would do even if kamala harris wins. how do

you prepare for that? how do you think of that? >> we are pretty prepared since he has done it. >> and he says he will do it. >> he has already claimed victory. he's not waiting until 2:00 a.m. to declare victory like he did last time. he has already claimed it. before people go to sleep on election night, he will claim victory. we know it. now, i think it's less threatening than it was before. i don't find anything even scary about it. you are watching this old ghost go through the same stupid move again, and everyone knows it was a stupid false move the last time that will look even stupider this time. i think he is reduced to a harmless clown this time at 2:00 a.m. when he does it. i think his followers do not subscribe to his hopes for big, violent insurrections like he inspired and led on january 6.

you have to remember, he has begged them, back them to come to the courthouses where he is a criminal defendant. >> nt -- and they have not. >> he has voters in this country who have stayed home. they said defendant trump you are on your own at the courthouse. he got 20,000 people to go into midtown manhattan to go to madison square garden. he could not get any of those people to go to his courthouse, in manhattan, while he was on trial in manhattan. he could get a dozen. that was his best day. >> i remember you visited and people were sitting apart benches eating snacks. >> unthreatening people. this violence mystique around him that he wants to create, he wants you to be afraid and think terrible things will happen. the fact of the matter is when joe biden won the presidency and these networks are ready to

declare that on november 7, there was literally dancing in the street. dancing in the street from los angeles to new york, dancing in the street in this country. not one act of violence anywhere. the first one we got was when we got to january 6. that's not to happen again. that is impossible. i think it will go smoothly. my personal belief which is worth nothing and based on no real science is kamala harris will win it and it will move along seamlessly. there will be the nutty, idiotic trump attempts to go to court in different states. they will all fail just like last time. i don't expect any serious negative outcome. by the way, if the election goes the other way, don't expect negative protest, violent outcome. >> i hope that is true and i hope you and i can have a nerdy seshan about cabinet governing,

policymaking. we could go in the weeds of the government experience and policymaking. >> i get to pretend that i know have as much as you do. >> i get to pretend i know half of what you do. it's all equal. lawrence o'donnell, no everyone that you set low in what you have to say and then everybody watches and wants to see -- i will be watching tonight. >> i have run out of material. >> lawrence o'donnell, thank you for coming out early for us. we have been watching pennsylvania with kamala harris is about to take the stage at one of the last major rallies of her campaign. we will bring that live when it comes. we are watching it closely. as we wait for the vice president, who better to talk to the one of her close friends and colleagues senator cory booker. he is standing by joins me in 60 seconds. 60 seconds.

i have worked on a lot of presidential campaigns as i was discussing with lawrence. some we want go in some way loss. we know the energy behind it doesn't always determine what the outcome will be. right now it's clear these campaigns are finishing in different ways. consider one of the top metrics by donald trump's own telling. crowd size. look at crowd shots during his rallies earlier today in pennsylvania and north carolina. the reporters say there wasn't even a line to get into the one in raleigh this morning. he struggled to fill venues all weekend long. meanwhile in the closing days of her campaign, vice president kamala harris is having no trouble filling venues. a rally in allentown today which included an overflow room reached max capacity and the fire chief said the campaign

eventually had to turn 1000 supporters away. as the campaign closes this out, the candidates changing her tone a little. see if you spot the difference. >> our campaign has not been about being against something but being for something. >> there's been so much about these last few years that has been about trying to beat people down, trying to have americans point their fingers at each other. trying to make people feel as though they are alone and do not have anybody. so, not anymore. >> we see in the face of a stranger, a neighbor. right? that is the spirit of what we are doing. over these whole era of this other guy, but what it has done with all that talk about trying to have us point fingers at each other and divide each other. >> this other guy. that's a deliberate choice to stop saying trump's name. instead, end with a message

about but optimism and positivity. two campaigns ending in different notes which tells a lot about the candidates at the top. joining his democratic senator cory booker. it is great to see you. you have been in pennsylvania. you have been busy. you are someone who leans into positivity. anyone who follows you on social media knows that. you ran in the 2020 primary. on this message of positivity and unity. what do you think of the way your friend vice president kamala harris is choosing to finish this right now? >> i love it. think of the presidents inspired us most through history. both parties whether lincoln with malice towards none and towards all and the country was being torn apart. fdr and the depths of the depression, he did not talk how american carnage and how horrific things were. he talked about america's courage and hope. nothing to fear but fear itself. she is following in that

tradition which is a contrast to listening to donald trump's filth and vitriol and grievance and, frankly, demeaning and degrading politics. he is spouting at all his earrings. i am happy she is taking the country higher and reminding us who we are, and who we can be if we come together. >> you are in pennsylvania all day today and i think you still are. you are in bucks county which is an important part of the state. what is the energy like on the ground? what are you hearing from voters? anything that surprised you? >> i was with bob casey in bucks county today. i cannot tell you. i am lifted. usually people are tired and i'm physically tired. my spirit is riding high. bob casey and i spoke to a packed firehouse. people filled it, standing room only, excited about what's happening.

as i stood at the end, people come up and we took selfies and i heard their stories, and people have a reason to fight. they have calling in the selection and that's what makes it exciting. shifting from an election to a movement. the people no, they don't want to go back to, but more importantly, from reproductive rights to paid family leave to real ignition of the child tax credit. they know the difference that a lot of things could make in their lives. they are fighting for that. they're fighting for their children and the elderly and fighting for their country. it left me enthusiastic. >> it's always good to be on the ground. the best thing for any buddy wondering what to do tomorrow. one demographic, that's getting a lot of attention, low propensity voters. specifically black men and younger black men and there is a speculation about trump making gains. a recent survey found support

for harris by black men under 50 has increased by 8% since august. her support among all black men increased 4%. based on what you've seen on the trailer what you are looking at, what are you expecting among young black men? will they turn out more or less than expected? what do you think will happen? >> is a lifelong member the naacp, i think the numbers are promising. believe it or not, as i sit here is one of the boldest senators, i've been to a lot of black barbershops talking with a lot of black men and meetings and conversations, black business people and i am feeling the energy growing. the more of that donald trump has rallies like he had in madison square garden, reminding people that this is the guy who called for the death penalty for the central park five. these exonerated young man.

the guy who took a great president, barack obama, and that the racist charge against him with the birther is some movement. the guy who has consistently demeaned, degraded and frankly, promoted the most bigoted comments about african americans and other people. a lot of black men are understanding not just the policy but on issues of respect that we will get it in the democratic party and not from donald trump who was twisting the republican party. >> that madison square garden rally. we were showing footage of the vice president exiting her plane and that's the scene of the rally she will speak at shortly which we will bring as soon as it starts. you have known the vice president for over a decade and we talked about your frenchie before. you not only work closely in the senate but you refer to her as your sister. election eve for this moment for you personally, what's it like watching someone you called your sister on the verge of making history? how are you feeling on a

personal level at this moment? >> i am overwhelmed. i am starting to feel it. run like we are three points behind, but now i am feeling the energy and excitement and the movement. on a personal level, i texted doug emhoff early her this evening because i am starting to feel we are on the precipice of a really powerful thing. i say this when i give tours of the mettle we go through this ended area and the busts of all the former vice presidents are there. this white marble, all men. i tell people and i get chills when i tell people there is a bust coming of the next vice president who will have a bust here and break this mold, literally. now, think of what it means to so many people that their conception of what it means to be a president, a child in america, will look up and see no more limitations on what leadership can look like. that, for me, i am beside

myself with excitement about it. is a guy who has to go to work a week from today, i am excited to get back to good policymaking on issues that people on both sides of the aisle care about and it will help families. i think kamala will lead us to that. >> senator cory booker, always wonderful to speak with you. i appreciate you taking the time. we are keeping a close on pittsburgh. we are expecting to see kamala harris in a couple of minutes. it's a huge election eve rally. katy perry will perform and when the vice president takes the stage, we will bring it live. three people have been behind the scenes of many campaigns are standing by. they join me, coming up. ming u.

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caffeine, bed pizza and adrenaline. the candidate has to dig deep to give one more speech. make their last best case to the american people. i am reminded of another historic candidate making his closing case. here is barack obama in 2008 firing up one last crowd. >> so, virginia, i have one word for you. just one word. tomorrow. tomorrow. [ cheers and applause ] tomorrow if you can put an end to the politics that will divide a nation to win an election. pits region against region and city against town and republican against democratic and asks us to fear at a time when we need to hope. tomorrow, at this defining moment in history, virginia, you can give this country the change we need. it starts here in virginia. it starts here in manassas. this is where change begins.

>> a lot of that rings true today and i remember it like it was yesterday. i was there and i suspect folks in the harris campaign will remember it tonight as well. it is still the former chairman of the rnc in host of the weekend on msnbc. a longtime democratic strategist and served as barack obama's speech writer and the cofounder of crooked media and a cohost of pod save america. i wanted to play that because it is this moment that if you're on a campaign, you have done all the things. you have to get out the people tomorrow. that is what you are thinking about. i blocked a lot of these from my memory. you are so tired. >> i don't want to go back. >> you are on the harris campaign, what's going through your mind? they are at desks and eating bed pizza and watching the rally. what are they doing right now? >> eating bed pizza and jogging

five honor -- five hour energy. they got to be feeling pretty good about where things are. it tells you a lot with the two campaigns are closing. she's closing on an uplifting, energetic message. she is filling, filling these arenas where as trump is closing on a dark dystopian message that bro testing to take your term. he is embracing wholeheartedly rfk jr. is one of the most polarizing -- >> take the fluoride out of drinking water. >> and control children and women's health. she's closing on a message that's brought. he's closing on a dark, sad message. the one superpower he always seem to have been politics was the ability to have huge crowds but that is gone. anecdotally and empirically there's evidence that the momentum is on her side and he

has run out of steam. >> we have all been part of so many campaigns, winning and losing campaigns. there are things you watch. crowds, polls, they're so much data. what feels different right now to you, michael, then 2016? >> that's a great question because a lot of folks have walled themselves into the space in terms of how they worry about this race. >> it's part of the ptsd. >> i work with my democratic friends to help me through this. it's going to be okay. it is about the very things you talked about that what's happening on the ground. the empirical and anecdotal evidence. in 2016, everything was off in that cycle. the polling was off. the mood was off. the voters were, you know, a little grumpy.

there were a lot of things that sort of moved the needle in a direction that a lot of people fed into the idea that that if you're on the democratic side, hillary clinton has to win. the republican side, oh, my gosh, trump is going to win this? that is not this election. people right now, it's very much to your point, the energy is very different on the ground, in places like north carolina. where the last pole out of north carolina, the democratic nominee is up by two. right? iowa, the democratic nominee is up by three. you had to say, what is off? it is not off because everyone feels better about this. everyone feels good. i won't say everyone but the mood is different than it was eight years ago. that says a lot about how, and 107 days, kamala harris came

out and she ran the race no one thought she could run. she ran it in the way in which she did not, interference with people who thought they knew better than her. she followed her instincts and that's important for candidate coming in to follow their instincts and say i am going to do me. not the standard pro forma. i will win and sit down with the press and they are the most important thing in the room. i will go to were the most important people are in the room and that's the american people. that changed everything. >> one thing i would add and we talk about the ptsd from the bulls in 2016 and 2020. we have internalize that a little too much. all of the polls are going to underestimate trump's support. maybe or maybe they won't. let me tell you what the polls of been like in 2022, 2023, 2024. i worked on times was his

election, a big race. he was the underdog and not expected to win it. ran into it. up to election day, the pole the day before showed him up one point. republicans were crowing that their internals had him down four. a won by eight points. we saw in 2022, democrats over perform the polls where they were. what that tells me is some of the polling underestimates the anger, the motivation that a lot of women feel to turn out, and a lot of people in the middlefield. republicans have gone too far. >> women, john is there and we worked for a losing presidential campaign. it does not feel as good. john kerry. we worked for some winning campaigns with barack obama. one of the things michael steele said is harris is a big part and harris has been underestimated at every moment.

leading up to will biden stay in are not? in the days he decided to no longer run away she was going to do. that's a big part of it. i want to ask. we know a thing or two of working for someone who is underestimated a won. the other is closing on a positive message. you have written the speeches. that is a choice and i want to know what you thought of that and what you think of her being underestimated and that's part of the story? >> she had to run a near flawless campaign to have a chance in this political environment where voters are grumpy. they are still grumpy about inflation, the border, and joe biden's approval rating was not great. she only had 100 days and shot out of a cannon. usually, someone is running for president, they have a year to do interviews and make mistakes and give speeches and get their

message right. she had to walk the highest, narrowest tight rope. you can count on one hand how many times she stumbled in this 107 days of this campaign. what she has done is beyond remarkable. what her campaign has done is incredible, the work they've done to get her to this point. she has been so on message and i think this final week, trump doesn't even have a message. nothing is breaking through. he says what comes to his mind. if you think of elections as, what is everyone talking about? what's the conversation when voters go in their voting booth. with the trump campaign probably wanted was for people to be thinking of immigration, inflation, thinking about joe biden's record and the last four years and that's not the conversation people are having right now. donald trump is an disciplined mess per usual and since the madison square garden rally, he has been all over the place.

that is why they made the decision on the kamala harris campaign to close with optimism and unity and to talk about what she is for and what she will do for people. i was in nevada and arizona talking to voters, and the people who have not made up their minds, they have made up their mind about donald trump. what they want to know is a lot of them didn't know what kamala harris stood for. when you tell them what her economic plan is and her values are into record, they say, that sounds great. i talked to a couple of voters who said i'm voting for kamala harris now because they wanted to know more about her. the contrast in these final days is really valuable to her in terms of the undecided voters even though there's only 4% or 5% lab. they are making up their mind and when they tune in, they will see one campaign with energy and enthusiasm in talking about hope and they will see trump doing whatever trump is doing. >> talking about his beautiful white skin. literally something he did.

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you are seeing footage right now live of the outside of rockefeller plaza. we are back with michael steele, less smith and john fatberg. we are still waiting for the vice president. let's talk about what you

are watching. you can add in your superstitions. i wore cowboy boots for the last six months of the 2008 campaign. i don't know what everybody is doing but i want to talk about what you're looking for. you talked about north carolina and georgia have early pole closures. it's a state where we will know something before we know the west coast. what are you watching for there? >> a number of things. the last polling out of north carolina has kamala harris up by two. what does it mean? let's take a close look. , just the lieutenant governor robinson dragging down trump in that race? are voters splitting their vote, voting for trump and voting for the democrat for governor? how are women responding? to everything that has happened in the last three or four weeks that has refocused their

energies in their thinking around, not just abortion but a broader narrative of what they saw unfold at madison square garden. the race tropes and the name- calling, the meanness. how does that really affect people? is that something they want to share with their kids. , tonight j.d. vance in part of his closing argument referred to the sitting vice president as trash and then some other things. in my tweaked to him was, i want to know how you explain that to your kids? how do you tell your children that, as an adult elected leader who wants to be vice president at the united states, that that is okay? when they go to the school year tomorrow and they get into that, you okay with your daughters calling their friends or people in their class names?

i think for a lot of parents, especially women, that kind of messaging at the end of the hour really resonates home with them. in north carolina and georgia and places that democrats typically have not played or fared well but right now have the chance to really upset the chessboard. >> what about you? >> i have been fascinated to see the gender gap. i look in terms of early vote and i will look for that in the accents. anecdotally, i talked to our mutual friend from michigan mallory mcmorrow. she was saying that the phenomena of the secret women voter israel. she encountered that. you go to a door where the yard has trump signs and get a woman and she

says, my son, my husband, my nephews are voting for trump but i will vote for harris and they don't need to know about that. trump and the right-winger onto that a little. that's why you see him, fox news hose freaking out about it. you want to look at the empirical data, we were talking off-line about the iowa poll which was crazy. what was driving kamala harris's lead there was the fact she was leading by 28 points with independent women. >> women over 65. >> look next-door, wisconsin. the early vote, 1.5 million early votes have been cast and 55% by women and 35% by man. unless there is a massive surge of men voting tomorrow, that's a very good sign for democrats. it shows our strategy has paid off. we have a fantastic senate candidate there.

tammy baldwin and she made a point of talking to women in rural counties as well as milwaukee. i think that approach is important. i will go back to this, the closing argument from trump, there's no course correction. they are not trying to compensate for their horrific positions on abortion. as more bad news is coming about women who have died from pregnancy complications because they could not receive life-saving health care in texas and places like that, we haven't seen the trump campaign for that and other areas. the msg rally putting rfk jr. out and having the disgusting rhetoric from j.d. vance -- >> rachel maddow and they had the conversation about women. it was so powerful. the stories are so incredibly impactful. i want to bring jon favreau back in this. what are the early things are watching? i've done enough campaigns to know you around the coaster but

deep in the data on election day. i wanted to ask you because i talked with tommy about this last week. nicolle wallace made this point and it stuck with me is that one thing that has not tracked this how the abortion bans and jobs is impacting man. you have two kids. even for people who have daughters. that's a piece that is on captured. how do you think about that and how are you watching that? >> it's funny, you were talking about the boat of women, there is a trump side in the front yard but a woman who will vote for kamala harris. we encountered almost the flip, the reverse of that in nevada. one woman said i am voting for kamala harris. we said what about your husband? he was listed as a voter. she said, who is he voting for?

he said he better be voting for kamala harris. which is great. we love that. i think, i think it's an issue that is deeply affected women and it affects families. it's how and when to start a family. we heard michelle obama make the case specifically to men, very powerfully, when she was in michigan last week and. may be the most powerful of all the discussion we have had over this election about outreach to men and bro broadcast, thought michelle's message to men about reproductive freedom was probably the most compelling i've heard all cycle. for me, i'm looking at, it's been hard to analyze the early vote. voting behavior has changed so much so it's hard to compare it to 2020. obviously, donald trump and the republican party encourage their voters to vote early but the

flipside is a lot of democrats voted early in 2020 because we are in the middle of a pandemic and people didn't want to wait in line and go in person to polling stations and drop ballots off. i will look for turnout numbers throughout the day. i think i will look at the suburbs around atlanta, and the research triangle in north carolina. seeing if democratic turnout and margins in the suburbs is really high and if kamala harris can match or hopefully exceed joe biden's levels in the suburbs, then it will be a good night. i will look for counties that resemble some of the counties in iowa where that selzer pole came from. if it's anything close to directionally true, that means wisconsin, places like michigan, a lot of suburbs around big cities, they could look much better for kamala harris.

>> selzer may reach additional goddess status. lis smith, jon favreau, michael steele, thank you. rachel maddow is standing by as we wait for the vice president to take the stage. stage.

we are looking live at pittsburgh where vice president kamala harris is about to speak to her second to last rally. the rachel maddow show starts right now. right now. >> this is like the first -- kind of the first time you've been with us on these particular roller coasters, jen. you've been to campaigns through a lot of different ways in a lot of different