before i go, thank you. thank you for giving me the privilege of joining you every night. i hope what people said to me today, oh my gosh, are you dreading doing your show tonight? and i want you to know, i've never dreading it. i am so blessed and grateful to be with you every night. our goal, as always, is to help our viewers get better and smarter. right now there is a lot to figure out. it is a privilege to be here

every night. thank you so, so much for watching. it's going to be a long next few years. that does it for us for tonight. from all of our colleagues across the network and nbc news, thank you so much for staying up late with me. i hope to see you again tomorrow. you guys, we were made for this. we were made for this. have you taken your deep breaths? have you fracked hydrated? have you had any sleep? i know that you didn't, we

didn't either. you know, we know have stuff to do. we really were, in some important ways as americans, made for this. if this was an election that was not just a choice between two candidates, but it was a choice between keeping the american system of government or trading it in for a strongman authoritarian system instead, then the decisive result of the selection gives us not just an answer to the question as to what americans want to do along those lines. it also gives us a really big to do list as americans. if you are an american citizen who does not want to ashcan the american system of government, who doesn't want a strongman authoritarian system where the whole government is one guy and everything else just exists to serve him, if that is not the kind of country that you want then yesterday's election means you have more to do for your country than you have ever done before. now is when the rubber really hits the road. right?

we don't just flip the switch and the american system of government is gone, democracy is gone. it doesn't work like that. not to be boring here for a second, but getting very real, we are now just another one in the list of countries that has decided to, what the heck, let's try the strongman thing. let's let democracy go, let's put in an all-powerful guy instead and see how it goes. there are many more countries in the world governed by that kind of system then there are governed by hours. we are the only 240-year-old multiracial pluralistic democracy in the world. shall we keep it? a lot of our fellow americans say we shouldn't. now we know. now we know for sure. but a lot of americans, tens of millions of americans, say we should keep that system. which means, time to fight for

it. and yes, americans did fight for it by working on this election, by trying to get the candidate elected who was both the democrat and small democrat. she didn't win. the strongman candidate won instead. but now history doesn't end, time to stop. now we have the benefit of knowing how this has gone in every other country that has been through a democracy, to authoritarian transition. sadly, there are a lot of them. we have the benefit of seeing what has happened in those other countries. what we know is that the more ground the authoritarian takes the harder it is to ever get that ground back. the first order of business is to stop them from taking any uncontested ground right from the outset when it comes to what our system of government is and what our democracy is. we know from other countries experiences that quickly, i mean now, in the next few weeks

if not the next few days, they are going to start pushing to see how far the country is going to let them go without pushback, without protest. and part of this is because it is psychologically advantageous for them to do this now. they are counting on the half the country that voted against them, the half the country that doesn't want to give up our system of government, they are counting on all those tens of millions of americans to be despondent, to feel powerless, to check out. which, of course, would mean letting them do what they want. letting them run the table. but they really don't want is for the half the country that voted against them, the half the country that wants to keep our democracy, but they really don't want is for those tens of millions of americans to wake up tomorrow feeling scrappy. feeling, sure, regretful about the election outcome. but frankly, freed up from having to spend all of our time working on the election so now we can work full-time on being

pirates. on being a thorn in the side to anyone who now intends to try to turn this country into some tinpot tyranny. what they want least of all is to realize that half the country went to bed sad tonight but then woke up tomorrow fired up with a new sense of purpose. knowing that, apparently, this is what we are on this earth to do as american citizens in this generation. because history did not just end. time did not just stop. we just got marching orders from the universe and electoral college. as of today, american citizens who do want to hold onto democracy, we know exactly what we are going to be spending the next days, weeks and likely years of our life working on. the strategic first moves come into focus when you see the other countries that have shown us how hard it is to regain

democratic ground once and is oriented -- authoritarian leader has taken the ground. and the work has to be done now. the work that has to be done now, it has to happen in every aspect, every corner of our society. the u.s. military needs to give the american people binding assurances that they will not deploy u.s. military force against the civilian population in this country. they can give those assurances and now they should. the free press needs to give the people of this country assurances that they will not become state tv. that they will stand and fight together. they will put aside rivalries and petty, professional differences that will stand and fight together as the free press , as the fourth estate, as an institution that is a pillar of our democracy. as these guys on the other side , they start picking off individual journalists, individual publishers, individual news organizations

to try, ultimately, to turn us into some american accented version. if the democratic party takes the house, expect article one of the constitution to come under attack. by which, i mean, expect effort to hollow out the power of congress to make congress a just for show institution. right? there is a reason actions of the russian duma never make news. expect efforts to attack article one, to make it he just for show institution that has had its real powers taken over by the executive, by the dear leader. we are going to need a plan and steel spine inserts along elected officials in washington to head that off. we will need the whole country to recognize that risk and advanced to call it what it is when they tried and to actively resist it. depending on whether the courts can provide a check on this administration, expect article three of the constitution to come under attack as well.

it was already a fetish and a laugh line on the right to brag about how court orders really mean nothing and physical force and violence is ultimately what decides what is allowed. well, we have to decide if that laugh line from them is going to become our reality or whether we are going to resist that. we need a plan and some steel spine inserts among members of the judiciary to head that off. we will need the whole country to organized in advance. we need every lawyer in the country to recognize as their calling to fight it. we will call it what it is when it inevitably happens and we will have to actively resist it. and then there is civil society. as the were more boring term in the world that does include the word, committee or budget? there isn't. civil society is where the rest of us are at. civil society is one of the things that i think of as soft food for authoritarians. they often don't have to bite that hard to crush it.

all of the organizations, membership groups, advocacy groups, every voluntary group of every kind in the country, everything in organized american life and culture that is not business and not the government either, that is civil society. and authoritarians need to crush that. because it's not about them. strongmen leaders have a tendency to become not just leaders of the government, not just dictators, but totalitarians. because they can't have anything going on in the country that is about them or for them. and a strong civil society, therefore, must be crushed. if you have a strong civil society that gives people breathing room to think for themselves to organize in their own interest, to speak with the powder -- power of more than just one person. we need assurances from civil society leaders today that they are not going anywhere and they will fight for our democracy too. frankly, it's not just the leaders.

we all need to participate in more civil society things than we have before. to make sure that we are taking up space that, otherwise, they will try to take the government and of the dear leader. what i mean by this, in short, is join something. it doesn't really matter what it is. but you want, right now, to be connected to other americans and not isolated on your own. so deep breaths. hydrate. maybe time to get back in shape. do you have any burn the bridges in your past? unburden them. reconnect with people. whether it's your family or the people on your block, in your town, your old friends from school, that book club, the indivisible group may be. reconnect. or connect for the first time. join something. join something. if this election was about one candidate who stood for the american form of government, and another who stood for getting rid of that because

america is a garbage can and i alone can fix it, just give me all the power and i will do it all. if that was the choice in this election than the aftermath of the american people making the choice they did in this election is not just the end. right? it's not just over. it means we are now entering into a constant us -- contest that will now be an effort on his side to put that into practice. to put strongmen authoritarian government practice. it will be an effort on the other side and ongoing, continuing and new effort on the other side to let him know that it's not going to be easy. these next few days and weeks, if they really are going to try to dismantle the american form of government, including firing all federal employees, including rounding up their enemies, including opening internment camps to hold millions of people, threatening military force against their perceived enemies, if they

really are going to try to undermine the american system of government, which is what they've made this campaign about , then in the next days and weeks they are going to be testing to see what they can get away with without pushback. they are going to do the things they can do easily. they will have to put off the things that turn out to be hard. so it's going to be hard for them? that's where the american people come in. we do not only work for our country and our democracy in elections. we work for our country and for our democracy against anyone, anywhere, anytime to -- who seeks to do it at home. so there's a lot to do. time doesn't stop. history doesn't stop. we have stuff to do. millions of americans woke up today to the realization that, although he worked as hard as you could to try to bring about the election outcome you wanted, you did not get the election outcome you wanted. so now, what that means, is that there is a whole new raft

of stuff to do. hope you are feeling scrappy. hope you are tapping into your inner pirate energy. it is one thing to be a defender of the realm. it's another thing to be in opposition. opposition can be a lot of things. it can be dangerous. it can also be fun. it would have been nice to win the election. didn't. okay. time to save the country. >> and no pressure at all. not at all. once you are hydrated. you need to connect with the fact that a defining feature of trump 2.0 is the promise to decimate american communities by targeting immigrants for mass deportations. this could amount to the expulsion of millions, millions of people who are already contributing members of our society and to live here with their families. on election night msnbc -- joined mixed status families in phoenix, arizona to monitor the outcomes and to listen to their fears and concerns. here is what some of them had

to say. >> having heard that, it must be said that donald trump made major gains with latino voters, particularly male latino voters last night. join me now from phoenix to unpack all that is paula ramos. she is the author of "defectors, the rise of the latino far right and what it means for america." a perfect person to talk to on this point. talk about the family that you were with. they talked about some of their fears. say a little bit more

about that and what they are expecting to happen starting next january. >> this is when it feels real. i spent the night with those families that we just saw, mixed status families. i have to say, at the beginning of the night, we are holding on to some form of hope, believing that this country, maybe for a minute, would reject donald trump's vision for america. at the end of the night, they understood that this is a country that shows mass deportations, which has become the core of trump. they chose to separate families like that. this is the moment when things start to feel real. these words, these visions, these things that donald trump has said. it's real now. this is the moment when those two young girls that you saw, right now, as we are speaking, her parents are actively thinking about self deported to mexico. the young latino man that you saw, his mom is completely overwhelmed with fear.

today i spoke to families, a woman who is thinking about who is going to have custody of her child, of her daughter. so i think what's important to stress here is this isn't just a reality in the face of arizona. there are over 20 million people in this country that live in the status families. over 10 million u.s. citizens. what is happening as we have pushed a new chapter in american history. that may see a chapter in which we see mass deportations, mass family separations of american people. >> we have seen a spokesperson for donald trump is the incoming administration will in fact begin the largest mass deportation ever in history. they said it was a promise that donald trump made to his constituents. so they are going to do it. this is not a theoretical thing at this point. see you have talked to people in border patrol who have said to you, it won't be racial profiling, how it's going to be done.

walk us through what that would actually look like if a family like the one you spoke with was subject to this. >> we don't know many things, but we do know what you just said. they will try. they will try to matter what. it's important to realize, particularly given this idea that over 40% of latinos voted for someone like him. we have to remember the following, if you are a black and brown person in this country right now, inevitably, inevitably we will all be part of the racial profiling that will inevitably be ensued if these mass deportations are released. we don't know who will be deemed american enough in the eyes of trump's america. this is when trump gets to look at us and decide who is american enough. history has taught us something. you and i talked about this. they didn't just deport over 1 million mexican immigrants, part of those over 1 million people that were deported also included u.s. citizens.

why? because it was an administration that literally targeted people that were mexican. so now we are staring at the real possibility, a real thing that we have been talking about many, many months at this point. who looks undocumented? who looks like an immigrant? we don't know the answer to that question but we do know, to rachel's point, that this is a time to organize, to resist, and to do what people in arizona have done for really long time, which is project -- protect the immigrant communities. >> one of the things in terms of this mass deportation. donald trump, just during the campaign, has talked about extending workplace raids, about branding undocumented immigrants, -- who is documented and who was not. donald trump has said this himself, invoking 1798 alien enemies act to declare an invasion and that was the law that was used to -- japanese americans in world war ii. building new detention camps.

house in south texas and they know how to do this. they've built detention camps before. this is not theoretical. this happened when the child separation policies happen. given all that, he wrote the book. in many ways it is quite depressing to think that latinos would be in favor of this. but some are. and you've spoken with some of them. a majority of latino men voted for donald trump. in your view, did they vote for him thinking that somehow he didn't mean them? because some of them likely live in mixed status families too. >> absolutely. look, this is a story that has yet to be determined. we don't know many things and that is the answer. right? we don't know the story. here is what we do know, we do know that trump was able to type in, to your point, very real ethnic and racial grievances. he was able to tap into a very

real moral panic. he was able to tap into this romanticized version that we have with authoritarianism. i don't know that these are things, i do not know. these are things that we can explain just to politics. right? i think we may have to dig deeper. dig deeper to our culture, to our history, to the weight of colonialism. understand the way that this racial baggage that we carry from latin america, perhaps that explains some of the anti- immigrant narratives that have suddenly become so embedded within us. perhaps this sort of traditionalism, the weight that has had on our moral values. perhaps that helps explain why this anti-trans message resonated with latino men. perhaps our very complicated history with authoritarianism, maybe that helps explain why some people do -- strongmen are appealing. we do know a lot of these answers. we don't know what is happening. and that is okay to understand that we are not a monolith. that the latino voters today do

sense a very, very, very different message and need to understand what that means. >> indeed. exceptional journalists. we know that you will be one of the people doing the groundwork of journalism that we will need in this moment. thank you very much. much appreciated. >> i will say, paula's book on the appeal of the far right to latinos in this era, in this political moment, you said during the break. chris, you said in the break that it would be, what's the matter with kansas for this election. it's going to be seen as a little bit of a rosetta stone for people to try to understand the biggest single cross step, the biggest electoral shock in terms of the polling and understanding the electorate. >> the run-up. all of the stuff is collocated. when we are doing this always, just to remember that we are talking to these enormous

demographic groups, millions of people across all sorts of places. when we start doing the analysis , a bunch of different peoples aggregated decisions, it's very clear there is a big shift of latino voters toward donald trump. we can see that in not just the exit data but the physical data. like the precincts in areas. we know this happened. it's not a mirage. >> a bigger shift than any other individual demographic. >> latino men. it also appears latino women moved towards him, but not as much. the reasons that happened are complex. one of the things i just want to always be careful of in postelection analysis is a little bit of these, thinking about demographic electoral colleges. you won minnesota, you won kentucky. there's millions of people. people are weird and strange. they move in all sorts of different ways. there are real trends happening here. one of the last things i would say, and we talked about this

in my podcast, people sometimes view trumps comments about immigrants through the lens of race. that's 100% understandable because of that. but people across the world, demagogues, have had a lot of success with xenophobia against people that were not racially different than them. there are huge political movements in columbia about the venezuelans from next-door. pakistan just kicked out a whole bunch of afghan refugees. this idea of the foreigners are coming does not necessarily appeal to people's racial solidarity if they see the foreigner is different. and that is something that is put in politics across the world in all kinds of different places. from asia, to africa, to latin america, to the u.s. >> coming from an immigrant family, there is the sort of trying to be super american when people come here. i know some african immigrants who are all the way trump. it's

this idea of, i want to be with the site that's waving the biggest flag. i want to fit in. there is a huge element, to be honest, of anti-blackness a lot of this. anti-black american specifically. we have talked about this. that there is a part of that. the anti-blackness is a piece of it. even though henrique, part of the proud boys, is a black latino. but he is down with white supremacist, down with them. there's this idea that i'm black, but about black. i may look black to you, i may be black at the bloomingdale's and if all around, but in my mind, i'm identifying with whiteness because whiteness means privilege and means not being a black american. this has to be unpacked because this shift among latino men is significant. it is a something about where we are going in this country, about what we can create. the last thing i will throw in

is the creation of the idea that everything that vice president harris was proposing his communism. his communism. that is an open argument for a lot of latinos and it worked. >> we were talking before the break about this moment. everybody wants an answer because you want a solution. if you have an answer then you can fix what just happened last night. and i think this moment calls for a lot of humility and maybe not over concluding what every big demographic group, why they moved in a certain way. so your plan communism, you talk to latinos in florida, latinos are course not monolithic. communism, socialism, abortion. it's not the agenda that they want to align themselves with. right? it's horrible to hear everything she was just saying. this something we should be talking about. donald trump is telling us what he's going to do. but i also think we don't yet know exactly why each of these groups voted for donald trump and we need to listen.

we need to really conclude and we need to be humble about but we don't know. >> to her credit, she saying that. this is what i've been studying, this is what i just wrote my book about. as a country, if we really want understand this, there's so much more work that needs to be done in order to unpack it. >> let me take the humility note and begin with, i don't know what donald trump is going to do. i have no idea what he's going to do. and i especially don't know what he's going to do just because he says he's going to do something. is mass deportation going to become repeal obama care? i don't know. what i do know is, it was not in his speech last night. but i do know, in that moment, when he had the country's attention, there were only two words in the speech that were policy. and that was, cutting taxes. that is what he did do before. that is what i'm willing to bet he would do this time, is cut taxes. donald trump knows the

republican party saw that vote, the very significant latino male vote. do they, then, want to go attack that community? do they, then, want to go to the homes of those voters, and their cousins, and start to try to extract people from the bedroom and leave the others in that bedroom just as a political matter? just as politicians, a republican party of politicians, do they want to do that? the way i'm going to cover this is, when they do it. i'm going to report to what they say. but i will not believe what donald trump says is what donald trump is going to do. except cutting taxes. >> if there is one mantra that i considered having to to myself at the end of the first trump term it was, watch what they do, not what they say. i do feel like we coined that out of necessity in the moment and i've never, ever, ever felt like anything was more truly derived from a news environment than that.

>> one footnote to mass deportation. this is something we can do. the logistics of this. let's report on the logistics of this. what would it take to move 11 million people out of the country? how many personnel in law enforcement? they don't exist in this country. how many would it take to get 1 million people moved out of this country? we will get into reporting the logistics of this. you are going to see, we do not have the law enforcement personnel who can possibly do that. and you are not going to be able to say to stay police forces in california or elsewhere, hey, we would like you to do this job for us. >> and if you're going to do it only people that will appropriate the money is the house. if jeffrey is the speaker of the house. >> i'm interested is not what it will take to do it, but what it will take to stop it. coming up next, someone i'm excited to talk about in this moment, editor in chief of the

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if you're absorbing it is today woke up and thought, this is real, this is happening. and as you are going about doing your stuff the afternoon over the course of the day, individual relay stations keep stopping you in your tracks. the names being floated to potentially take top positions in donald trump second

administration. anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist and chem trails villain, rfk jr., in charge of public health. eccentric, far right billionaire elon musk, promising a massive austerity program that he is explosively warning will create, quote, hardship for american families. rick, best known for traveling the world on trumps behalf, fending and angering all of our allies, bringing them to sputtering rage, how about him for secretary of state? what a world. authoritarian leaders around the world to celebrate trump's win is a validation of their own visions. the president of ukraine, ukraine now in its third year fighting a russian invasion, hosting a note of congratulations to trump that doubled as, effectively, a desperate plea for trump not to cut off ukraine. to not have the united states effectively switch sides to russia's side in that war as

trump is widely expected to try to do. it's a lot. what to make of all of this? we have a man who you might most want to ask if he had the choice. for over a quarter century has been the editor-in-chief of the preeminent english-language magazine in the world, the new yorker. david, thanks for being here. >> i saw rfk jr.'s name and i just worry, am i going to have to go to france get to get toothpaste to smuggling because as fluoride? it's not funny at all but it is a bizarre world. the possibilities are endless. the secretary of state and national security advisor, this is upside down. >> i want to talk about america and the world and reaction for world leaders. i'm sure you saw that social media post from vladimir

zelensky, the president of ukraine. imagining a world in which america is allied, not with ukraine, but with russia. imagining a world in which elon musk has apparently been given the job of being in charge of the government, is having ongoing secret communication's with putin, including turn and off his satellite that benefited russian troops and her ukrainian troops. it's a profoundly different world. it doesn't make the world spin differently on its axis but i mean that we are the axis instead of the alleys this time. how have you seen it? >> it's hard to imagine, somehow, the spectacle of vladimir putin laughing. i guarantee that was his expression, and his reaction. when he received the news of this. not only of trump's victory, but a resounding victory. this is everything for an imagined when he went to the security conference and basically declared, not just opposition to the west, but a kind of waging a kind of new

cold war against the west. trump is his fondest dream. it's not just a matter of he's going to go to zelensky and say, enough already, time to give over crimea and call it a day. trump's presence on the scene, his rhetoric, his lack of any fealty to the truth, is exactly what believes. putin is the ultimate relativist he tells you that there is no democracy, there's only hypocrisy. so therefore, any pretense to global leadership or human rights is all a farce. and this is at the center of trump as well. it's going to have even more tragic consequences this time around than last time. >> i think washington, for

generations, has defined the world in terms of serious countries and less serious. one of the definitions of the serious country is the serious people who have the serious jobs. one vladimir putin here's the list that was just recited about who can be in this government, who might be secretary of state, with your experience in moscow, what is his reaction to that? and is he ever trying to assemble a group of clowns? or did he say, wait, i want my best foreign minister yet. >> he has a sense that he can do it all himself. the all important decisions, he can make. he has not a great deal of interest and information or learning history. trump is a very skillful demagogue, he's a very skillful autocrat, we found out our pain. but there's no respect or regard

or interest in a sense of what's right or a sense of history. and i think water putin, who is very intelligent and skillful, just sees him as a dupe. we saw this in helsinki. we saw this over, and over again. and that's not going to change. all the people today who are giving us moral instruction on how to we should calm down, and who are saying the reason that this all happened is because of woke, or the 60 of the reasons that have been laid out in front of us. they ought to wake up and realize that the consequences that are going to be exact on the human scene, human consequences, whether it's in the far east, in ukraine, or russia itself are going to be grave. assuming everything.

he said, what people do, not what they say. i actually think, with respect, i want you to listen very carefully to what trump says. i think he's the guy that comes out and says, the stuff that's on my teleprompter, don't pay attention. listen to what i'm saying. i think he's usually pretty good on that. i think he reveals himself and he acts on it. he acts on impulse completely. and that's where foreign affairs is going. a slave to the impulses of donald trump. >> do see more potential damage in foreign policy than domestic policy? >> to have to choose? >> no, you don't. >> how do i begin to compare them? describing the possibility of mass deportation. the cruelty of that. the politics of that. the divisiveness of that. the cost, the human cost of the . on the other hand, i was talking to a ukrainian

journalist in a kind of zoom. this is all they want us to know, what will trump mean for us? a look of terrible desperation on their face. they have been through hell and held up the banner for independence, liberty, sovereignty, everything that we believe in now for a couple of years . a tremendous human cost to their country, tremendous material cost the country. now all the sudden it could turn on a dime and get horrifically worse. >> i want to ask about one other world leader who was celebrating last night, who was benjamin netanyahu. clearly, who has been in constant contact with donald trump and to engineered a series of maneuvers last week which involved implementing the so-called generals plan, which was a kind of full evacuation and pummeling of northern gaza,

has now been declared, i don't know, evacuated? this is very controversial. israel then fired the very popular defense minister, who has been part of the unity government. this has provoked protest in the country. and i think my interpretation of this is that benjamin netanyahu was waiting to see who won and whether he was going to resettle gaza. >> on the dave election. >> what to think the implications are of trump's election for that? >> trumps message to net yahoo was, do what you have to do. do what you have to do. i think it's incredibly complex. to me, gaza and the obliteration of gaza and the tens of thousands of deaths there is one set of moral questions. and i think it's terrific. yet, there is also the question

if the very true encirclement of israel, hezbollah, by iran, and what's to be done there. that's another set of questions. but this requires people with a sense of strategy, tactics, intelligence, and patience. and the deployment of american power. i can't say, by any stretch of the imagination, that the biden administration deployed its influence in an optimal way. i mean, at great human cost. that argument can be made. and i will make it. it is a deeply complex set of questions that i don't think donald trump has the slightest interest in. one topic that hasn't come up, i think, in the last 20 minutes. but it probably will, the depths of corruption that come along with an autocrat like this. you know, the families own

enrichment. the enrichment of the oligarchs that surround donald trump is going to be spectacular to hear that elon musk is going to be charge of austerity. in austerity plan. >> it's kind of you to break away from your labors to be here today. good to have you here. if you are a governor of a state that pretty publicly, pretty emphatically disagrees with donald trump and has professed an agenda, your job as a governor just got much, much, much more important to the country, and potentially the world. one of those governors is going to join us next here life. stay with us.

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the last time he was president, donald trump picked a lot of fights with blue state leaders. he deliberately withheld disaster relief funds from places like california and washington. he slow-rolled covid aid to places like new york and new jersey. he threatened to unleash the national guard on protesters in blue states. in that time, democratic leaders in the states emerged as a check on trump's instincts and on his power.

in massachusetts, to name just one state, then attorney general now governor maura healey took then president trump to court dozens of time on issues ranging from environmental policy to insurance coverage for contraception. now that trump is coming back, are the blue state governors ready? are they more ready than they were the last time? lawrence? >> well, joining us now is the governor of massachusetts, maura healey. governor, thank you very much for joining us on this important night. as you know, donald trump has lost in massachusetts three times in a row. you know that you have citizens in massachusetts who are afraid of what is coming in a trump presidency. what can the people in massachusetts and what can the people of other states expect from their governors? what can people in massachusetts expect from you in this trump administration in situations where you might find yourself opposed to the trump

administration? >> well, good evening, lawrence. look, this is a challenging time for our country. and i will say it quite simply. that is, we're going to show up and do our job. tomorrow i'll be traveling out to open a new veterans home to celebrate and commemorate veterans day next week. i think it is really important. what you'll see from my colleagues is we'll show you and continue to work on the issues that really matter to constituents in our state. i'm a state of 7 million people. 36% of them voted for donald trump. so while massachusetts went blue, i also am a governor for everyone. and i think that's how we all look to serve. i can tell you though that what you have been talking about, what trump laid out, he's given us the play book, whether he looks to implement or make good on it, we'll see. we know what the play book is.

and i can assure that you i will work closely with my colleagues and you will see state governors, attorneys general, other elected officials, mayors, working together to hold the line once again on the rule of law, on democracy, and on looking out for residents in our states. and that includes protecting rights and freedom that's we hold dear. >> if the trump administration requests it, would the massachusetts state police assist in mass deportations? >> no. absolutely not. but let me say this. i do think it is important that we all recognize that there's going to be a lot of pressure on states and state officials. and i can assure you, we'll work really hard to deliver it. some realities also need to be noted. and that is, in 2016, we had a very different situation in the

courts. and while i'm sure there may be litigation ahead, there is a lot of other ways that people will act and need to act for the sake of their states and their residents. there's regulatory authority, executive powers and the like. there's legislation also within our states. so i think that the key is every tool in the tool box will be used to protect our citizens, to protect our residents, and protect our states. and certainly to hold the line on democracy and the rule of law. as a basic principle, right? the other thing though, lawrence, i want to encourage people listeningate tonight. we need to do as the vice president said today, get engaged. stay engaged. elections happen every year in our country. they happen for school committee, for city council, for state legislature. it's super important that people not get checked out. that they actually work for and continue to work for the kind of

government and representation that we want. i don't believe that trump supporters and voters actually wanted to elect a king. i don't believe that trump voters wanted to elect an authoritarian. and you know, i think that's important. i think the democratic party, we have work to do. we need to learn the lessons from this election when so many americans, well over 60%, are living paycheck to paycheck. i believe that the democratic policies are actually the ones that deliver for people. higher wages on health care, on better access to education and opportunity. we have a communication issue as well. but it will take work by all of us, not just those we the privilege of serving in office but also those out there who are at home and are wondering what to do. get involved. go to meetings. write your paper, run for office

or support those who are running for office in local and state elections. and i do think we see glimmers of hope in what is, i will say, knowing donald trump very, very well, and knowing what he did for four years in this country to so many people that really took us back where it hurt so many. there are glimmers of hope. in you recall no, two democrats were elected in statewide office as governor and as attorney general. we had ten abortion initiative, ballot initiatives on and around the country. the vast majority of those were successful in protecting women's access to reproductive health care and abortion. that's something that i will fight for and work to maintain in massachusetts and my democratic colleagues will as well. we also had wisconsin. credit to the governor. he fought hard for fair redistricting maps and as a result, the wisconsin state legislature changed and democrats picked up a number of

seats. so look for the glimmers of hope. let's continue to do the work. i'm certainly going to fight hard to hold the line and to protect people here in our states, and to meet people where they are. particularly around affordability. when i lowered taxes last year, i know when i was able to pass a bill that would create more housing in our state, drive down costs, that means something to people. we've worked lower health care costs in the state. we have to continue on that front. >> governor, thank you very much for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> rachel? >> good to have her here. gl good to hearer. stay with us. stay with us so, what are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari?

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i think it is really important to be as clear-eyed as possible about why it happen and what happened. donald trump won the majority of the votes in the electoral college. and for the first time it appears he's poised to win the national popular vote. if you look at why he won, i think it is clear it was primarily the driver, a rejection of the status quo in a period where many voters feel alienated from their leaders and squeezed by high prices. the right track, wrong track numbers were 2-1 people saying the country is on the wrong track. here's what's really important. they feel that way across the western world where incumbent parties, left, right and center left post covid in an era that no one experienced in 30 years. this was an election defined by a rejection of a status quo that big majorities did not like. even people who voted for kamala harris. now, the thing about this is, trump and republicans have a

vested interest in interpreting this as a mandate for all of their worst governing impulses. all thestein miller-style dark fantasies of smashing the administrative stage. we've been through this. they were polling at 6%. trump tried to distance himself every chance he had from them because they polled so terribly. when you wrote down what they wanted to do, people didn't like it. that was not the source of the victory. you can see it all over america in last night's results. you can see it down ballot in north carolina. voters picked trump by a slate margin at the same time they elected democrats as governor, lieutenant governor, school superintendent. they may have flipped enough shoots to take away the super majority. and you can see in it seven states including the trump states of missouri and montana with enshrining abortion rights. votes in alaska also approved

wages in minimum wage. they joined nebraska mandating to paid sick leave workers. maryland elected its first black and female senator. so did delaware. the u.s. will have two black female senators for the first time in its history. delaware has given congress its first openly trans member. because of last night, it has suddenly signed on wholesale to maga and trump and the the republican party. we know they will interpret it for a full magaism. we know they have a plan. it is really a destructive plan to the american constitution, to democracy. trans folks, women, working class voters who will take it on the chin from gutting labor law. and we know donald trump is an aspiring authoritarian. he does not have a democratic

bone in his body. he tried to overthrow the constitution with violence. we all say it happen on national television. he talked about using violence repeatedly in his campaigns. because of that we know they will do things to subvert and alter the constitutional order. the most important thing to those of houston are committed to stopping them is to remember their success is not foreordained in any way. they're going to try and they're going to be a lot of people who will try to stop them. the outcome of that is as yet undetermined. and i'm not saying this from someplace that hope. we covered his first term. he tried to do lots of bad things and failed to do them because he is completely distractible and inconstantly because he's a vortex of chaos. he cannot be stopped from doing stupid destructive things all the time. none of that changed because he won an election. they're all the same people. he's the same guy. are republicans better prepared this time? are they more loyal?

yes, yes, and yes. does that mean the outcome is foreordained? no. the reason i say that is because public opinion, mass opinion, it's a relevant force and it changes and flows and reacts to events. even donald trump has backed down when he found himself on the wrong side of it. he has tried to have ma away from his most extreme anti-abortion position. he's tried to distance himself. he understands it is unpopular because there was a mobilization against it. one of the most monstrous things he did in his first term as documented in my colleague's incredible documentary and book was to essentially kidnap migrant children from their families. as the press reported this, it became clear this was both cruel and illegal. and while it was a federal judge that first blocked it, freezing it, the thing that ended child separation was a full rejection by the democratic party.

thanks to organizing and mobilization and protests, americans across the spectrum rightly came to see it as monstrous. rejected it loudly. in the end, trump signed the executive order ending the practice and then, classic, tried to take credit for getting rid of the heinous policy he had implemented. but in the end, they had to abandon it because it was so unpopular. that's just one example. there will likely be things he doesn't abandon. in the face of that, it is important not to concede in advance that politics don't matter. they do. public opinion still matters. politics didn't go away in america because three out of 100 people switched their presidential people. which is to be clear what happened last night between 2020 and 2024. and politics depends on the work of mobilizing and persuading our fellow americans none of those

tools have gone anywhere. all of them are even more important this time around. we have to pick them up and we can't let anyone pry them from our hands. rachel? >> bless you. i really wanted to hear that from you tonight. thank you. because this will be trump's second go-around in the white house, one of the things we mate profitably look to when trying to make the kinds of streg decisions chris is talking about, when trying to mount effective opposition, when trying not to concede in advance that he'll get away with things because he wants them, one of the things we might look to is the roster of people who made tracks and made a mark countering him the first time around. among them is our next guest. founding director of howard university's 14th amendment center for law and democracy, former director council of the naacp legal defense fund. she joins us here now. it's really nice to have you here. thank you for coming in. >> i wish it were under

different circumstances. >> me, at too. let me ask to you respond to what we've just heard from chris and what we've talked about in the last hour. ask if you think we're getting any of this the wrong way around. >> i agree with much of what you all have said. the only thing that i think is missing is what i think is essential for us to figure out, how to manage this period. which is we have to engage in the forensic examination of how we got here. that forensic examination compels us to confront issues that we, progressive people, and also, just people who support democracy have not sufficiently dealt with and confronted. obviously, you know for me, one of them is ongoing racism and white supremacy which is such a part of this country. and it has been kind of the gateway drug. trump couldn't have come to

power without it. without making appeals to our ongoing flirtation in counter embrace of racism and white supremacist ideology. every time he wasn't stopped, every time we treat this as though it is not a deal-breaker for leadership in this country, we open up the door to the danger that trump has represented. when trump said that the judge could not vote and be impartial because he was mexican, there was no response, for example, from our united states supreme court. but everyone lauded the supreme court when chief justice roberts said theres no such thing as obama judges and trump judges. why didn't he say there's no such thing as mexican judges on our federal courts? people let that go. we let trump flirt with david duke and flirt with the proud boys until we got to charlottesville. that was kind of a moment. and then this campaign has been filled with racist vitriol. filled with mysogyny. none of those thing have been

deal breakers. i lay a lot of this at the feet of the press. not because americans can't make up their own minds but the press is the curator. they're supposed to help us make sense and what doesn't make sense. not everyone is a political nerd like me. i've been watching conventions since 1972. we count on the media to sift it for us. this is out of the main stream. this is out of bounds. we didn't get a lot of that. we got a lot of sentenceography and it didn't help people understand what was off the rails here. without understanding why americans were vulnerable, trump is truly a vulgarian. everything about him is repulsive in the sense of people had a make good politicians. simply saying he's appealing and entertaining, why were we so vulnerable to someone who basically runs a campaign as though it's a reality show? and i don't think we've sufficiently examined ourselves

to understand the places we're weak. the reason it is important is because i believe we are weaker now than we were in 2016 or 2015. >> why? >> then we still had our sense of what the rules were. we had some sense of norms and ethics. i hate to use this word but trump has groomed us. he has allowed us to semimore and more things that are off the table to the point we've actually shifted. i don't mean just the people who support him or the maga people. we've all shifted because we've been forced to confront things. does anyone remember when trent lott had to step down because he said that maybe if strom thurmond's way was the way, we would all be better off? he had to step down. he understood he had to step down as majority leader. does anyone think that would happen today? we've moved the line ourselves. we're not the same people, myself included, who are able to stop many of the things trump

did. in first term because the line has moved in terms of what judges think is unacceptable, what the public popular opinion will be. if we don't recognize that, we will think that we have more strength than we have to counter him in the way that we need to. and we can maybe get started on talking about the rule of law also, which we all like to say held the line. but mostly it failed. so we have to really take stock. we only have a very little bit of time to take stock of what we got wrong and where we went off the rails and try to create some guardrails for ourselves to understand that. and begin to reeducate ourselves and american institutions, faith institutions, all of whom have allowed their moral compass to be set by donald trump.

>> how do we get that compass pointing back to north? how do you think we do reset in understanding that we've let ourselves, as you said, be shifted to no longer be shocked by things that would have shocked us just a short number of years ago. it is a compelling case you make. what do you imagine would be literally the mechanism by which we reset our sense of propriety? our sense of what is appropriate in this country, and our expectations in terms of norms and the rule of law? >> i'm writing about this in my book. i've already begun doing some of this work. one thing i'm heartened about is the legal profession. how we allow ourselves to experience these excesses. and we have seen our profession. you talked about the letter from various bar associations this week that went out, talking going what the job of lawyers should be in a contested election. i sit on a task force

co-chaired. it has been talking about lawyers and what we should do to take an oath. who are we as officers of the court? so there are pockets that are trying to reset us. may belief is that particularly in different fields, it is important that you do it yourself. the media should be able to do it themselves. the media itself, i don't want to impose any more than i would want you to impose on my profession. the media should be able to sit on itself. i've been talking with faith leaders and participated in a conference call, theess the of faith. where have you been? faith institutions are democratic institutions. when you have leaders standing up saying we're white christian nationalists, where are all the others? why aren't people saying that's not a thing. saying it strongly and saying that is contrary to my faith. within our own separate institutions, the institutions

that undergird democracies, we can begin to have these conversations ourselves so we'll be strong and equipped. otherwise we're all over the place and he will set us further down the road. >> not only does it make us weak but it takes us off the table in terms of standing up for the country. >> every time i talk to you, i get smarter. i really appreciate you being here today with us. i want the share what was written in the newsletter. she lists five things. that she believes people should prioritize. this is item number four. quote, our spirits will be assaulted in the coming months by coarse and crude language, open displays of violence, of privilege and unchecked power. we may feel as if we are occupied by a hostile forceful this will combine to weaken and exhaust us. we must hold on to the things that refresh our experts. time with family, make, art,

nature, hobbies, fad. we must protect our core. i will say, having lived through the first time america elected donald trump and having lived past this last few hours, boy, does that resonate for me. thank you for reminding us among other things to take care of ourselves. we'll be right back. stay with us. so, what are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment...

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we still do not know which party will control the u.s. house of representatives come january. at the moment, republicans have

207 seats in the house. democrats have 187. but there are 41 races still uncalled. now, the magic number for control is 218. it could be days. it could be potentially many days before we know the results. a lot of these uncalled seats are in california which notoriously counts its votes slowly and they don't want to hear about it. they're very happy, thank you. we do know republicans will take control of the senate next year. next week republican senators will elect their new leader. remember, mitch mcconnell is giving up that hole so who will be the new head of the senate? the head of the republican party? this could get interesting. the two top jobs are senator john thune and senator john cornyn. john versus john. last night after winning re-election by a de ice issive margin, rick scott has said he will throw his hat in the ring.

he has tried it in the past and failed. we will see if that contest gets a little spicy. i don't know if you've been following the republican warfare along this front but what are you expecting in congress? >> what we're about to see, we don't know. there are races in pennsylvania. tons of people are looking at bob casey and david mccormick. what do people on wall street love? a divided government. as much as people might be enthused at trump, we'll be done with them. they love this idea in the short-term that there will be no rules. less regulation. until there is a blow-up and then it will be a disaster. and it will be an absolute disaster. they have this idea, there will be some guys to rein in donald trump. just today. >> seriously, people think that? >> they make that argument. just today, i saw a list of name of potential, as they say, real

guys who could potentially join the trump administration. i'm amazed. it is very successful, smart people who in the last administration didn't vote for trump. it is incredible to me that they're still like that, i could change that guy. i know he's the worst boyfriend ever but i'll change him. it will be amazing if we see it happen again. trump has blown up and burned every single person that he's come in contact with. it will be extraordinary to see who now surrounds him could i offer a contrarian take? >> please. >> i think i feel differently now. >> what? >> tell us. >> well, it seems to me -- >> he's announcing he's leaving. >> i guess i may not this for republicans. one of the thing that really hit home to me in the january 6th committee's work was like but for a bunch of people inside that operation, they would have done the coup. like -- people were doing good

work, hiding out, waiting for the moral crucible to reveal themselves. it's just that they did 10 million terrible things. the 10 million and first one was like -- >> wouldn't it be better if even more -- if you rerun january 6th and you take the people who were willing to do all the bad stuff but not the last bad thing. and you replace them with people willing to do all the bad stuff and also the bad things. wouldn't that be worse? >> marco rubio used to be that guy. he seems to be the kind of republican that wants a fought in main stream america. he's willing to do all the things. all the coup. lindsey graham who everybody understands despises donald trump personally. mitch mcconnell. they don't exist other than the people who are on our shows and they won't be hired by donald trump. it will be all the extremists. it will be all the people who are willing to do all the things. >> i don't think they have

enough. whatever morals they go in there with -- >> it's gone. >> i think that's true. >> howard who is running the transition team said the number one thing you have to have is loyalty to donald j. trump. >> i feel like staffing the government is a big job, an important job. and it needs a lot of people. and i guess my feeling is like, do i want the absolute dregs worst of the worst? that's the question, right? do i want people with any conscience in there? >> i think there will be a screening process this time. >> it's a big government. >> on the issue of senate and house control, obviously, the republicans have control of the senate. it's an open question as to whether or not the democrats have control of the house. if they do, what do you expect in terms of of hakeem jeffries in the middle of a second trump presidential term?

>> that's the big question. the thing that is obviously hanging over from last night. who leads the democratic party? over the summer it was president biden. we all saw that shift to the vice president. she conceded rather graciously and talked about continuing the longer fight. we talk about realignments and how much do you credit, how much happened, how many was a desire for trump versus the rejection of incumbents as chris pointed out how many places it has happened around the world. for the democrats, if you take the house, you have one reminding opposition leader in hakeem jeffries. if you don't take the house, he's the minority leader. there will be a big question about the larger team of democrats. you can count the president, the defeated vice president, like it or not, senator schumer defeated in the senate with a tough hand to play and the other elites that oversaw everything that's here given this outcome, i don't think most of them will be the first choice to re-up from their

caucuses in terms of the senate and the wider democratic conversations. that's something to watch which will be really interesting. how do you take this message from the voters, even if you sift it out and knowledgeably look at macro economic factors but still say the democratic party has some growing to do and might need some new leadership. >> in terms of the practicalities of it, imagine hakeem jeffries in washington. if they would go along with anything in terms of the trump administration. the second order of business is protecting the congress from effectively being abolished by a new president, the authoritarian leader who doesn't have any respect for the form of government we have. >> and knowing we have a majority full of monarchists and

who have already stated that section three of the 14th amendment is inoperative when it come to donald trump. that the parts of the constitution that they would enforce if a democrat is in office are inoperable when it's donald trump. and they said they needed bold action. that was very important to john roberts. so if congress tries to stand up against him. know that they will curb him. and will had vice president harris succeeded and become president, they would have tried to be her board of directors and curbed her. the problem we have now is that donald trump is not only an autocrat, but the people who are supposed to be the checks and balances on him are autocrats and the liz cheneys are out of power. there's nobody like that in the house. everybody in the house are the matt gaetz types. it will be an adventure. >> and i think everyone understands how vital it is to

hold the line. they are called co-equal for a reason. everybody takes an oath to uphold the constitution. not everyone followed it in the trump executive branch. but the democrats have to do more than just rerun the pass oversight committees with a very defiant executive branch and the vegas. they have to do that and they took an oath to do that. they have to figure out through policy and more importantly, a story, a clear, simple story about what they want to do for the american people going forward. that's really important. do you know two smart things. you can do both. there might be a lesson of how many governing periods have been seen as largely responding to trump and criticizing trump. you can do both. you need a story for the american public. i think hakeem jeffries is someone who is really talented and cares a lot about middle class families and working

people and has a philosophy. maybe he will learn more about that. it can't just be with no shade. it can't just be jamie raskin saying we've issued a sternly worded letter about donald trump. >> it can't be anything about donald trump. it has to be changing the narrative off him. a key figure who successfully battled one of the worst and most morally offensive policies of the first trump administration of the aclu and his plans for a second term when we come back.

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donald trump has vowed to completely upend the immigration system in this country. his plans would include the largest deportation process in this country. through the use of mass raids as well as detention camps for undocumented migrants. we could see a return to the inhumane child separation policies from his first administration which president biden is still trying to clean up and reunite those families. trump has also announced that he will not only reimplement his travel ban that focused on muslim majority countries but expand the number of countries that it would cover. groups like the american civil liberties union which filed more than 400 legal challenges against trump's first

administration have been busy this year preparing plans to respond in case trump was successful in his presidential business. i'm joined by the deputy director of the aclu immigrants rights. let's start with mass deportation. donald trump has vowed to use an 18th century law on the books still that would allow him to -- the alien enemies act. that's on the books. how would you stop him? >> so we think it would be illegal to use it for immigration. the law is very clear that it has to be a foreign government doing an invasion. that's not what is involved in immigration. so we have been preparing since the winter time for this challenge if he actually does go ahead and use it. we will say there's no foreign government attacking us. there's no invasion. these are immigrants looking for a better life. this was not what it was intended to do. this was a law used during

japanese internment and only declared war. it is unthinkable to use it for immigration. we'll be challenging it. >> the way that donald trump has characterized the immigration system in the country, he's been using that term deliberately. he's not some genius. i'm sure steven miller and others have been saying it. what makes you think john roberts and clarence thomas would reinterpret the law to say that it means exactly whatever trump says it will mean. >> i want to predict where the court will go. i think there's a difference and i think the courts will recognize the difference between his rhetoric on the campaign trail and what the law actually means. i think the court is sensitive to how the law has been interpreted overtime. it was used in 1812 and the two world wars. those were declared wars.

these were very different. we'll remain hopeful. >> one thing donald trump could theoretically do would be the process people, whistleblowers, things like that. it doesn't feel like there would be a ton of protection because they're trying to get over the civil service protection that's work for the government. what would you do? >> yeah. other people at the aclu are preparing. from my standpoint, we are worried about noncitizens being targeted for their political speech. for protesting different policies. and i think generally we're hearing from our clients is they'll be worried -- >> we're talking about protesters who have already been threatened with deportation. >> so it is the noncitizens. like the families separated under trump. we have a settlement that allows them to apply for asylum and get other benefits, reunite with their children. we're very worried that they'll

be attacked for trying to secure their benefits. we're lack for things that will be really draconian. and i want to pick up on one thing you were talking about. the american people want some form of immigration. we want some form of immigration. i don't think that translates into anything goes. i think the model for us is family separation. i think trump desensitized americans that they would go for little children being ripped away from their families. we saw people take to the streets. i think if we see the military in the streets, any of these really draconian policies, i think people will push back and say that's not what we meant by reforming border policy. that will be critical. it can't just be done through the courts. people will not take this election to be, well, anything goes on immigration. i don't think the american public on both sides of the aisle will stand for something

like family separation again. >> if we're really going to talk about this, there were aspects of the legal efforts that worked and aspects that didn't work. so the aclu and other groups kind of owe it to everybody to figure that out and not just rerun the same play book or do a whole blitz where and you other groups are filing on everything and appealing on everything and fundraising, quite frankly, on everything. otherwise you have a race to the bottom. two specific examples is, knowing what you know now, i don't think you would run the immunity appeal all the way to the supreme court. you ended up getting bad law. i don't think you would run the ballot bans up to the supreme court. because you had different groups, colorado and others go after trump in a way that didn't achieve their stated goal and created another problem. and will spent all the time on another fight. so i don't know if it is a hard question and you're one group

among many. if people watching agreeing with some of your goals but are concerned about the past play book, are you aware of, or will there be a discussion about improving that? learning from the things that didn't work, and quite candidly, not filing with the supreme court. it isn't always going to give you the precedent you want in the first place. >> those two cases you mentioned, they weren't aclu cases. i think we're hoping to be strategic. you're right. you can't move on every single case. they are difficult considerations. there are clients on the ground. you have to pleasure that. and i think the other thing that we're going to be looking at is, what constitutes a win? even if we ultimately don't win but we delay a policy for years and that means people are not sent back to danger. is that a win? >> is there anything would you do different? >> i think we're going to do things different because this is going to be a different play

book by them. i think they'll be more prepared. we'll have to be much more strategic. i think we'll have to coordinated among groups. there are a lot of groups with different clients. i think we are going to try to be strategic and we have to be clear-eyed about what we can win and what we can't win. i think that's why we want to stress to people. we need you in the streets. the courts will not always do everything for us. >> is there more public acceptance or tolerance of severe immigration actions? look at yesterday's election it was. two years ago we all sat here when we watched greg abbott saying, sending this emto different cities. it worked for then. it went from being a border crisis to a migrant crisis around the country and donald trump has gained more support from not republicans who aren't saying, i'm down with child

separation, but are saying, i'm not comfortable with this in my city. so has he gained more support so there's the risk, less people could take to the streets this time because they have a more severe view? >> that's fair. and i don't want to be polyannish about it. i think there will be a break. it's one thing in the election when everyone says we want to do something about it. hopefully there will be really common sense solutions that we can push back on. i do think there will be lines. you're right. has the line moved a little bit? it may very well have. if that keeps us up at night, legal arguments we do all the time. how to break through and remind people, these are people fighting for their lives. and this abstract idea that trump has about everyone is a criminal coming here and everyone is looking to take jobs, that's really a challenge for us. to get through and break through that narrative. that's what keeps us up at night. >> that cruelty and

desensitization. >> we're all there with you. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> great to have you here. good luck to you. >> vice president kamala harris and her concession speech today made an impassioned case to continue fighting for democracy even after her defeat in this presidential race. we'll talk about what that fight might look like in very practical terms with one of the first people to organize the first practical opposition to the incoming trump administration. he joins us next. stay with us.

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to everyone who is watching. do not despair. there is not a a time to role roll up our sleeves. >> do you remember the first time trump was elected he promised to get rid of the obama care. he needed to congress to go along with it. when he was sworn in the grass- roots group got to work indivisible hounding members of congress at home in their districts making it clear that they would immediately vote them out of office if they went along with trump's plan to kill

the aca. their efforts were part of a larger pressure campaign that worked. donald trump could not persuade enough to vote to take health insurance away. now that trump has been elected president a second time, they are gearing up for another fight. tomorrow they are holding a call for progressive organizers, not just for them but hundreds of groups across the country to start figuring out what the response to the next trump administration look like. no time like the present. thank you for taking the time. i am impressed you are doing this call tomorrow and i want to dig into that. first, you sent out an email today summarizing where things stand including this line that stuck out to me so much i talked about this language earlier you said "i believe a loss of this nature needs humility and not finger pointing." there is a lot of finger pointing and there will be more. as you look to the challenges

ahead that is so important, what are you taking away from the outcome and how are you applying them as you look to organizing people in opposition to trump? >> reporter: jen, thanks for having me. i wish it was under better circumstances. i think it is important for us to take this loss, look at it and figure out how we can do better going forward. if you look at what happened around the country there was a 6 point swing from the last election. 6 point swing away from us. one takeaway i want people to have, if you knocked on doors or you made calls or sent postcards or text to get out the vote what we saw in the battleground states where we tried to get it we saw a 3 point swing. our work mattered even if it did not have the outcome we want today to have. what it tells me is that we just got to roll up our sleeves like the vice president said, roll up our sleeves and do the work that is what is going to

make the democracy keep on working. >> so important to hear. one of the things reporting from talking to harris folks is a number of them were already thinking about how can they start organizing and you are not delaying, or waste anything time at all. you have this call tomorrow with hundreds of progressive organizers i just mentioned. we have been discussing the range of threats that trump poses from mass deportation to nominating rfk junior and russia and war with ukraine and i am not even finish with the list. you want to hear people i know but what is the top of your list that you feel is most immediate threat? >> reporter: look, i think about this in terms of short term, medium term and long- term. short term, folks are going through the stages of grief. i am going through the stages of grief. a lot of folks are. it is important to feel the feelings and work through that. be in community with each other. a lot of folks around this

country who are feeling alone right now. they are feeling scared, they are feeling like their families, their communities and democracy is under threat. we need to make sure they don't feel it. there are people your community that feel the same way. i will pop off of this and join a call with thousands of groups talking about how they can bring their communities together. i was on the phone with folks in georgia who are stinging from this loss. and are bringing people together for a bonfire tonight. that is important. first of all, we should be bringing people together. but in the medium term, we need a plan. we need a plan. we need goals, strategies and tactics so next week indivisible is releasing a new guide to make sure we are fighting this anti-democratic movement every step of the way. that is the long-term. look, we have to rebuild a winning coalition. we have to. we have to. and that starts at the local level. if you are in blue states, red

states, purple states it does not matter. there is a role for you. we need you out there. so, take your time, by all means, grieve, build it now. that is the top thing on my list as i look ahead in 2020. >> ezra i don't know how you are all energetic right now but we appreciate it. thank you talking to us. >> master of practical politics, seriously. we'll be right back. stay with us seriously. we'll be right back. stay with us wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses let's take a look at those scenarios. j.p. morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools, like wealth plan to keep you on track. when you're planning for it all... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management.

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