of the -- what is called indigenous people, the first arrivals more than the new arrivals. so it would be spain for the spanish, germany for the germans, argentina for the argentineans, or potentially america for the americans. now, in the u.s., it is a different context here. this is a country of immigrants aside from the native americans who are here, indigenous population, everybody here came at some time. but it is about identifying a particular population, which in this case was trump's base of sort of predominantly white, though not only that anymore, working class people who have -- working the system but the idea of a nativist population as opposed to immigrants. we have to focus on our own people and not open the doors to other people, because that's a liability. that trend is spreading all across the world. it is spreading across europe, it is already predominant in latin america, and it is happening here as well.

so -- >> fascinating. >> those countries are all deeply supportive of trump, those that are taking a similar political path. >> there is another conversation to be had about what has motivated the world to move in that direction, but we'll have to save that for another day. >> overcrowding, economic pressures, lots to talk about. >> thank you, richard, let's do it on a different day. that's going to do it for me for now. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage ahead of president biden's remarks right now. good morning. 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. in a couple of minutes, president biden will address the nation for the first time since donald trump's victory. it comes after vice president harris delivered her concession speech wednesday, striking an optimistic tone to her supporters. >> while i concede this

election, i do not concede the fight that fueled this campaign. the fight for our freedom will take hard work, but like i always say, we like hard work. hard work is good work. hard work can be joyful work. and the fight for our country is always worth it. it is always worth it. >> joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent monica alba. good morning. what can we expect to hear from the president today? >> reporter: well, this is really a speech, jose that is meant to try to harken back to some of the traditions that were in place after the 2016 election when then president obama welcomed then president-elect trump to visit the white house and where they really tried to stress this idea of a peaceful transfer of power, and that was something that clearly in 2020

did not take place, when then president trump in office refused to accept the election results and did not invite then president-elect biden to come and visit washington and, remember, he did not attend his inauguration and, of course, the violence on january 6th and all of that. so this is meant to try to restore that. so, president biden will come up to the rose garden, he will talk about how he did call donald trump yesterday to congratulate him on his victory, say that he has extended this invitation to come here, which we understand could take place in the coming days, once they nail something down. it is unclear when that will happen. but for their part, the trump transition team has indicated that he would take the president up on that. and then, of course, you're going to hear president biden speak overall to vice president harris' quote historic campaign, he's going to keep praise on her in terms of the race she ran, though, of course, she came up short. and she is going -- he's going

to talk about what her future role may look like generically in terms of what she plans to do in carrying on, quote, the fight that she indicated fueled her campaign, that she was talking about in that concession speech yesterday. so, expect this to really be a speech from president biden where he talks about some of these things that in america were considered completely commonplace and normal before 2020, and that he wants to be sure that democracies and the democratic process are respected, and then expect to hear a little bit of a hint of some of what he views his priorities as in these final ten weeks in office. and he's going to sort of broadly talk about the fact that he still feels like there is more work to be done, and that there are things that this administration wants to really bolster and shore up before donald trump takes over. so, there will be a little bit of an indication into some of that as well. and those are some legislative

priorities as well as some other funding agenda items that the president will talk about, but this is really expected to be a more soaring speech about the moment that america finds itself in. >> monica, meanwhile, there is already conversations under way on the democratic side about what went wrong? >> reporter: absolutely. there is a lot of introspection right now in terms of what happened here, and what signs were clearly missed by the democratic campaign, and by all of the democrats in terms of the demographic shifts that were so striking and notable that went away from that party and went pretty resoundingly for donald trump. when you look at latinos overall and this split among women that the harris campaign in the final days, they were feeling confident about both of those groups that clearly did not bear out for them. and so that is, of course, spurring a larger conversation and we already know that there is some finger pointing, some blame and some of that circles

back to president biden's own decision to seek re-election and then, of course, to step aside so late in the game, just giving vice president harris those 100 days to run her race, there is a lot of democratic anguish over some of that decision-making as well. >> monica alba, thank you very much. joining us now, nbc news correspondent dasha burns in west palm beach, maya rupert, former senior adviser to elizabeth warren's campaign and former campaign manager for julian castro and former ohio republican governor john kasich. the trump transition is officially under way. where do things stand this morning? >> reporter: yeah, really digging in this morning now, jose. i just spoke to a senior campaign official who told me -- who tells me his first meeting with the transition team will be today and he really felt like in 2016 and that first administration the personnel issue really was his achilles heel. so he's deeply focused on it right now.

he wants the right people around him to help enact his agenda. here is some of what we're learning about names that are on that list. under consideration for secretary of defense is representative mike walz, also potentially mike pompeo, for national security positions, he's looking at kash patel, marco rubio for secretary of state with ric grenell, attorney general, mark paoletta, john ratcliffe. other positions, the chief of staff role critical. susie wiles is a top contender, trump campaign manager, the woman behind the man trying to keep the train on the tracks this whole time. brooke rollins, who has been a long-time trump world adviser and elise stefanik is being considered for ambassador to the united nations. i'm also being told that he's going to prioritize for a lot of these roles folks from outside of government, similar to the way he first came in as an

outsider. that's why you've seen him talk so much about robert f. kennedy jr., about elon musk, who may not necessarily have cabinet positions that need approval from the senate, but might come in as health czar or some roles like that. the makeup of the senate and what happens in the house is going to play a role as well, given the congressional involvement in some of these major positions as well, jose. >> dasha burns, thank you so very much. john, just, you know, listening to dasha and what the trump transition team is looking as far as possible names for the different kind of key positions, this is a totally different group of people than trump chose during his first administration. >> you know, obviously he's learned what he didn't get done, the way he wanted things to be done and so he's now focusing on who he's going to bring in. and, jose, you know, the people you surround yourself with are

critical. you don't have good people around you, you're not going to have good results. i saw john thune, by the way, yesterday on television, and he made three points. he said we're going to focus on economic security, energy security and national security. the big challenge they're going to have is what are they going to do about the debt? $35 trillion. we can get to the point where people don't want to buy our treasuries anymore, it means you have to print more money, you can have inflation. i think it is critical that they come up with an economic program that is going to be able to lift people and not get this economy stirred up again where you end up with inflation, and they're going to have to deal with this. that's where musk comes in. can elon musk come in and create something that is much different in the government? i did it, you know, along with a member of your family, to try to get the budget balanced, the debt under control. it is going to have to be a unique approach and what musk did inside of tesla is not the same as what he can do inside the government, but our government does need reinventing and we'll see how that pans out.

>> and by reinventing, something that some are saying should be a question for the democratic party as a whole. but before we do that, i want to kind of go off on what john was just saying about in some ways, you know, trump is looking at putting together a team of rivals. you have rubio, rfk jr., ramaswamy, gabbard. does nikki haley fit into this? >> i would be interested to see if he is seriously considering appointing her, really anyone. yes, it is a team of rebels in that these are people who ran against him or weren't with him, but i don't see that donald trump has ever given any indication that he is open to surrounding himself with people who are not immediately going to fall in line with what he says and thinks, which is what honestly i find so concerning

about, you know, what he's going to put together. this is not someone who wants to be surrounded by people who are going to raise their hand and say i have a different idea. and that means that, you know, we're going to see some of his worst impulses, i fear we're going to see some of his worst impulses followed up by the team he surrounds himself with. if that's not what he plans to do, if he plans to govern differently, i think he has an opportunity to show people now with who he decides to select. >> and, john, here is some of what trump said during the campaign as to what his priorities were. let's listen to some of them. >> on day one, i will launch the largest deportation program in american history. >> on day one, i will end kamala's devastating national gas export ban. do you believe we have a ban? >> i will get critical race theory and transgender insanity the hell out of our school. we will ultimately eliminate the federal department of education

and send education back to wisconsin and back to the states. >> john, how much of that can conceivably be accomplished and how much of that is campaign rhetoric? >> i talked to a friend of mine who was in the house. he said it is very difficult for the house to produce much. they're just a fragmented group of people put together, but i want to say this. i don't want to go down a dark alley right now and say all these horrible things are going to happen. i'm hearing it from a lot of democrats right now. it is going to be this, it is going to be that, it is horrible. let's give it a chance. and if we see things happening that we don't like, that we don't think reflects who we are as americans, then we're going to have to talk about it. in terms of a lot of that, a lot of it is rhetoric. and you know -- it would be great if we could get a comprehensive immigration plan. it would be great if we could get it. reinventing the federal government, we cannot continue

to ignore this debt. at some point it is going to come down and affect all of us. you know it, i know it. >> i agree with you on -- you have to, you know, depends how you see things, glass half full or glass half empty. but words matter and proposals matter and you're talking about, you know, i will have the largest deportation force in history starting on day one. which is pretty concerning, but why do -- why not take trump at his word? >> i think we have to. i think one of the dangers that we have had with donald trump is consistently not taking him at his word and assuming some of the most inflammatory things he says are just rhetoric, and i think there are two issues with that. i don't think he's ever indicated he isn't capable and willing to do something that inhumane and that devastating to communities. >> family separation was a policy in the first trump administration and the first

period. >> right. so, i think we take him at his word, but i think the second thing is we have to listen to his words. let's say he's going to -- that was campaign rhetoric and he's going to come in and govern differently. the damage is done. when you have somebody running for president, who now, one, our president-elect, that's how he talks about immigrant people, families. his rhetoric, jd vance's rhetoric devastated a community in ohio because it was just so grossly antiimmigrant, so racist. they put that out on national television and people got bomb threat at schools. this -- his rhetoric matters, it means something. i think that's the part we don't want to get away from. regardless of what his policies -- >> john, you would have served in so many different branchs of government, house and the governor. and what do you think the importance of, right now the white house is going republican, the senate going republican, the

house we're still waiting and seeing, but it looks as though it could go republican. if that is the reality for trump's second first term, the first two years, like biden had, like obama had, what would it mean to have both houses and the white house? >> first of all, i mentioned john thune earlier. i've known john, i served with john. i don't know if he'll be elected leader. if he is elected leader, he's a good man, a terrific person. in the house, as i mentioned, one of my colleagues, former colleagues, told me today it is so dysfunctional, i don't know what they can jam through. so, he does say a lot of things. part of the reason why people still voted for him is because they looked at his first term and they saw some things they didn't like obviously, but everything didn't just fall apart right away. and so what i'm saying is it is so hard to separate the rhetoric from the action and what i'm saying as an american highly critical of donald trump, i want

to see where we go and i understand your point. for democrats, i think democrats, this is my greatest suggestion to them, put yourself in other people's shoes, and feel their pain, and understand where they're coming from. don't lecture them, don't talk down to them, talk to them, and feel their pain. >> and just taking a little bit off that yesterday in our conversation with w. kamau bell, he said the democratic party failed on many levels because they weren't listening. where do you think the party should go from here or should there just be evolutionary changes? >> oh, gosh, i think, loo -- >> tough question for her. >> look, i think very clearly there is a gap with the way the party has been approaching a lot of people, a lot of would be voters. and i think this needs to be a moment. i remember after 2016, there was so much attention paid to the

fact that while democrats have lost white working class voters, and, in fact, jd vance sort of got on everyone's radar because he wrote "hillbilly elegy" and so many people were saying we need to make sure that to the point you were making we're listening to people, we're not talking down to people. i want the same approach to the communities that we feel like we're losing right now as that community got. i want us talking to latino voters as not sort of we know what it is, and, you know, i've already kind of heard some of the narrative that is -- with sexism, people weren't going to vote for a woman president, i want to hear -- i want people giving the same humanity and appreciation to the fact that people are complicated, people have a lot of issues that are going on and i think we need to -- before we start condescending to groups of people that we lost, we need to talk seriously about why did we lose people or even more than

that, why did we feel like we lost people, have we been taking communities for granted? i think we have. and i think there is a lot to learn here. we'll be learning it more over the next couple of weeks. >> one of the things i learned in '16, it wasn't so much the policy, it was the hugs i gave people and said you tell me your troubles. and that resonated with them. i was facing donald trump so that was a different wave and a different time, but one of the problems that democrats this is they said we don't have any economic problems and inflation is not a problem, it is transitory, and here you got people -- we heard just yesterday, we had a woman who runs a big latino organization saying they cared about rent, we got to listen -- you got to listen to them and got to put yourself in their shoes and if you do it, you'll come up with the ideas to move forward in my opinion. >> thank you, both, so very much. great seeing you both. appreciate it. we're keeping an eye on the white house where president biden has been speaking to the nation. we have the live pictures coming

out of the white house. we'll take you there live as soon as it happens. plus, house democrats meet today at noon with a number of competitive races, still not called. ali vitali, look at this, she's back, this just made my day, i'm very happy, she'll go to the board and give us facts, figures and information. facts, figures and information. through 99% of grease and grime in half the time. yeah, it absorbs grease five times faster. even replaces multiple cleaning products. ooh, those suds got game. dawn powerwash. the better grease getter. hi, my name is damian clark. if you have both medicare and medicaid, i have some really encouraging news that you'll definitely want to hear. depending on the plans available in your area, you may be eligible to get extra benefits with a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. most plans include the humana healthy options allowance. a monthly allowance to help pay for eligible groceries, utilities, rent, and over-the-counter

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20 past the hour. two days after the election, we still don't know who is going to control the house of representatives. at this hour, 39 seats are still up for grabs. and joining us now from the big board to break it all down for us is ali vitali. where do races stand and which are the ones you're looking at? >> we knew the road to the house majority was going to be a long one because out here in the state of california and certainly alaska, typically it takes a little while to vote. you and i were talking about this before. what are they doing out there? >> why does it take so long in california? >> we'll try to figure it out for next time. there are a few key races i'm watching. several in california. also across the map. this has been one of the vastest stories of this election cycle is the road to the house majority. yeah, it goes through places like california and new york, but you see all of the other places that we have highlighted here on the map. at this point, though, and many of these races are still not called because votes are still being counted, but at this

point, let's assume that maybe not much changes with where the vote totals are now. for example, i'm looking at alaska's first congressional district, you see the incumbent here, mary peltola trailing, that would be a flip for republicans, notch one more in their column. the same can be said for california's 47th congressional district. let's assume nothing changes. more votes still being counted. at this point, this would be a flip. but there is also a trend happening on the other side. look at the seats that are currently held by republicans. of them, i'm looking at the new york races. new york's 4th congressional district, that's out on long island, if things were to remain the way they are now with 92% of vote in, the democratic challenger lauren gillen would beat anthony d'esposito and same in hudson valley, incumbent mark molinaro trailing his second time challenger josh riley.

they had a face-off in 2022, 94% of the vote in there. this would mean broadly speaking you have a map and let me get back to a place where we can draw a little bit, plus 2 over here for democrats, and plus 2 over here for republicans. they basically cancel each other out and what you have is democrats not being able to at this point make up the ground that they would need to flip this chamber. jose, their task was always to flip four, redistricting made that even harder. what we're looking at is what is the path forward when they don't know for sure, but they think they got a pretty good idea. >> ali vitali, thank you so very much, appreciate it. let's turn to the markets. this afternoon, the fed is expected to cut interest rates for the second time this year. comes after a day of, well, really kind of record numbers on wall street. let's go to dominic chu, with us

this morning. and, dom, good seeing you. wondering, i want to give a heads up when the president speaks, we'll go to him immediately. that could happen in about a minute or so. so i ask already for your forgiveness if i have to cut you off. but what happened on wall street yesterday? >> the view is that the hypothetical policies that could into place in a new trump administration will be net beneficial for the american economy. that surge yesterday was led by certain thematic type trades seen as benefitting from a trump presidency. think about bank stocks, jpmorgan chase or bank of america, they rose sharply because of speculation that future regulations on the banking industry could be loosened, oil and gas stocks, exxonmobil and chevron rose given expectations the new administration will be -- >> dom, sorry to interrupt you, my friend. there we see the president of the united states. let's go to him right now. >> good morning. good morning, good morning.

[ applause ] thank you. please. thank you. good to see this cabinet and staff together. thank you. [ cheers and applause ] thank you, thank you, thank you. please. thank you, thank you, thank you. it is good to see you all, particularly good to see my granddaughter sitting in the front row here. how are you, honey? for over 200 years, america's carried on the greatest experiment in self-government in the history of the world. and that's not hyperbole. that's a fact. for the people, the people vote and choose their own leaders and they do it peacefully. and we're in a democracy, the will of the people always

prevails. yesterday i spoke with president-elect trump to congratulate him on his victory. and i assured him that i would direct my entire administration to work with his team to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition. that's what the american people deserve. yesterday i also spoke with vice president harris. she has been a partner and a public servant, she ran an inspiring campaign and everyone got to seeing some that i learned early on to respect so much, her character. she has a backbone like a ram rod. she has great character, true character. she gave her whole heart and effort and she and her entire team should be proud of the campaign they ran. you know, the struggle for the soul of america since our very founding has always been an ongoing debate and still vital today. i know for some people it is a

time for victory, to state the obvious. for others, it is a time of loss. campaigns are contests of competing visions. the country chooses one or the other. we accept the choice the country made. i said many times, you can't love your country only when you win. you can't love your neighbor only when you agree. something i hope we can do, no matter who you voted for, is see each other not as adversaries, but fellow americans. bring down the temperature. also if we could lay to rest the question about the integrity of the american electoral system. it is honest, it is fair, and it is transparent. and it can be trusted, win or lose.

and also restore the respect for all our election workers, who busted their necks and took risks at the outset. we should thank them. thank them for staffing voting sites, counting the votes, protecting the very integrity of the election. many of them are volunteers who do it simply out of love for their country. and as they did, as they did their duty as citizens, i will do my duty as president. i'll fulfill my oath and i will honor the constitution. on january 20th, we'll have a peaceful transfer of power here in america. to all our incredible staff, supporters, cabinet members, all the people who have been hanging out with me the last 40 years, god love you, as my mother would say, thank you so much. you put so much into the past four years. i know it is a difficult time. you're hurting. i hear you and i see you.

don't forget, don't forget all that we accomplished. it has been an historic presidency, not because i'm president, but because of what we have done, what you've done, a presidency for all americans. much of the work we have done is already being felt by the american people, the vast majority of it will not be felt -- it will be felt over the next ten years. we have legislation we passed. it is just only now just really kicking in. we're going to see over a trillion dollars worth of infrastructure work. changing people's lives in rural communities and communities that are in real difficulty. it takes time to get it done. and so much more is going to take time. but it is there. the road ahead is clear. assuming we sustain it. there is so much, so much we can get done. and will get done based on the way the legislation was passed. and it is truly historic.

you know, we're the strongest economy in the world. i know people are still hurting. but things are changing rapidly. together we changed america for the better. now we have 74 days to finish the term. our term. let's make every day count. that's the responsibility we have to the american people. look, folks, you all know it. setbacks are unavoidable. but giving up is unforgivable. setbacks are unavoidable, but giving up is unforgivable. we all get knocked down. but the measure of our character, as my dad would say, is how quickly we get back up. remember, a defeat does not mean we are defeated. we lost this battle. the america of your dreams is calling for you to get back up.

that's the story of america for over 240 years. and counting. also historic for all of us, not just some of us. the america experiment endures. we're going to be okay. we need to stay engaged. we need to keep going. and above all, we need to keep the faith. so proud to have worked with all of you. i really mean it. i sincerely mean it. god bless you all, god bless america. and may god protect our troops. thank you, thank you, thank you. [ applause ]

[ applause ] >> just want to stay with this shot. that's the shot i just wanted to stay with. monica alba, i'll bring you back in. what an extraordinary speech. >> reporter: a real moment here, jose. and one from president biden that actually he has delivered many times before. this overall idea that you can't love your country only when you win, and you can't only love your neighbor when you agree with them. this is something that has actually been the defining principle of the joe biden presidency, his values, and his approach to this office. and he's obviously offering now these remarks with a very different context and the backdrop of the fact that his vice president lost the 2024

election, just 100 or so days after he stepped aside and decided not to be the candidate at the top of the ticket. so, there is so much, there are so many layers to this message that he just delivered, but it was notable, as we expected that he talked about how important to him a peaceful transfer of power like we saw for decades and centuries before the election of 2020 is to this president and to this white house and that he is committed to ensuring his team will be sure that that happens over the final ten weeks in office. and we also note here that he said he really wants to fulfill his oath to ensure that and that's why he plans to attend president-elect trump's inauguration in january. and he also talked briefly about his vice president, about kamala harris, and her campaign. he has praised her as a tremendous partner and i thought it was really interesting, jose,

that he decided to also include some comments about putting to rest any doubts about the integrity of u.s. elections and really obviously there hinting at the specter of voter fraud, of the widespread claims that were baseless, that were repeated by people like donald trump and his republican allies over and over again after he lost the 2020 election. and now you have here president biden trying to talk about the poll workers, some of whom we know had been threatened in recent years, and saying that really those people should be thanked for how seamlessly overall this election cycle seemed to go. that was an important point he wanted to be sure to reference as well, and then finally, he did nod to the 74 days that are left so in his term in terms of some legislative priorities, some implementation of things that have already passed and trying to shore up what they hope will be the legacy of the

biden/harris agenda once donald trump retakes the white house. >> monica alba, thank you. particularly when he talked, you know, a few times about the 240 plus years of what the united states of america is, and this unique and beautiful democratic experiment and with every experiment there are moments where it stumbles, but the fact that we're 250 years into a democratic experiment is remarkable. monica, thank you. up next, donald trump's win was partially fueled by latino voters. we'll talk to two reporters who spent months on the ground talking to them. sweating over leaks more than your workout? it's time to upgrade.

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39 past the hour. now to an nbc news exclusive. nbc news learned the biden administration is making plans for a possible increase in border crossings ahead of donald trump's return to the white house as more would be migrants say they're concerned trump will shut down the border. that's according to two u.s. officials and exchanges between migrants on whatsapp groups. here is what one venezuelan headed to the united states said about what he fears now that trump was elected. s elected.

he says he wants to get to the united states, he needs to get to the united states, but doesn't know what to do now that trump has won. he says returning to venezuela, he described the horrible regime there is like being shot in the head. with us now, national political reporter for "the washington post," and msnbc contributor paola ramos. you've been kind of telling us about this shift you've been seeing.

why do you think so many are surprised by it? >> look, i think we should be surprised. i think it is not surprising that latinos would want to be sort of inspired or find something in republicans, but i do think we should be surprised around the idea that so many latinas found something in trumpism. that's the question we have to ask ourselves, what does that reveal? the last person that did really well with latino voters within the republican party was someone like george w. bush, he did very well because of his pro immigrant rhetoric. because he really tried to embrace latinos. and here we are, years later, and someone like donald trump, that is promising mass depour deportations, who insulted immigrants, is poised to break a record with latino voters. what does reveal about ourselves, what does the idea that now we're shifting toward this antiimmigrant rhetoric,

what should that say? >> i think the george w. bush, he got 44% of the latino vote. >> that's right. >> but this is a president who while as a republican fought for, presented and was very close to getting comprehensive immigration reform. that was his policy. his stated policy at the time. and, now, as we all know, then president trump canceled daca. so, i'm wondering, they're two totally different visions and views. >> maybe the difference is that we have changed as latino voters. that's what we have to reckon with. who we are is vastly different from who we were back then. back then, 20, 30 years ago, the solidarity revolved around our immigrant story. right now, so many latinos feel more american. they feel more perhaps seen in

trumpism because perhaps their values have changed, perhaps they feel more white than brown, because maybe they're more detached from their immigrant roots. that's the difference. the way we evolved, assimilated and conformed. and that's the discussions we have to have. >> i want to underline once again your extraordinary reporting and it just -- a point of pride for many of us. but, you posted after the election let's not start with a blaming latino voters thing again. it is tired. what did you mean by that? >> you know, i meant the reality is everyone is trying to make sense of what happened in this election. we have seen, you know, the exit polls come out and a lot of the narrative is us talking about latino voters which rightfully so. we are seeing a dramatic shift. whether that changes by a few points as we get more information in the days to come, there is no question that more latinos went out to vote for donald trump than polling showed in the leadup to the election

than i think many of us who follow latino voters expected. but i think that only tells a piece of the story. when we're looking at, you know, donald trump's victory, donald trump did not just win the presidency because of latino voters coming out for him. we look at states like pennsylvania, and north carolina, and, yes, latinos are a growing segment of the population there, but they only make about 5%, 6% of the electorate. we need to be having a conversation about the many pieces of the united states electorate that helped deliver the presidency for donald trump instead of just looking at latino voters as the scapegoat and saying -- only questioning the voters and blaming voters really we need to be having a conversation about why it is that the democratic party's message did not resonate with this community that they thought would be reliable for them. >> and, i know you spent election night with mixed immigration status families in arizona. what were they feeling? >> scared, jose.

they're extremely anxious right now. just to give you an idea of how personal this is, undocumented immigrants have been in this country for an average of 16 years and what this means is that undocumented immigrants, they're moms, parents, they're part of american families and in a state like arizona, these kids on the screen right now, they are part of the over 250,000 u.s. citizens just in arizona that are part of mixed status families. when i talked to them as you see about the possibility of donald trump, here's what they told me.

>> there is two stories to be told in arizona. yes there is so much anxiety about the reality of family separation, here in the state of arizona, they know resilience. this isn't new for them. they have been waiting for this moment, organizing for this moment for decades, since joe arpaio, and the infrastructure is here, that's what the activists will tell you and they're ready to fight and to protect families like them. >> thank you, both, so very much. really appreciate it. up next, another nbc news exclusive. how the department of justice is winding down the two federal criminal cases against donald trump. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. u diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. dangerous flu complications like pneumonia, heart attack, and hospitalizations?” i just say, “but i'm just the flu.” (sniffs.) it's him! who? i'm just the flu. demand more from your flu shot. sanofi higher-dose flu vaccines are proven to provide better flu protection

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49 past the hour. in the aftermath of president-elect trump's victory, the justice department is now working to wind down the two criminal cases against them according to two people familiar with the matter. according to those sources, the doj is doing this to comply with

long-standing department policy that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted. joining us now, david rhode, nbc news national security editor and author of "where tyranny begins: the justice department, the fbi and the war on democracy" and catherine christian, former manhattan district attorney. thank you for being with me this morning. what do we know about what is happening at the doj? >> they're following this long running precedent, goes back to watergate. you know, this situation is so different in that you had trump accused of interfering in the election. but i think the doj will wind down the surprised. if trump won, the cases would go away. that's what's going to happen. >> what about the difference -- there are federal cases in there, state cases, all of those are connected?

>> the manhattan state case, they are regretting that in september they agreed to adjourn this case until after the election. now, he is president-elect trump. he is not going to be sentenced. >> what about georgia? >> that case fell into the black hole a long time ago. that's not moving forward. >> does there have to be any adjudication? anything? >> there will adjudicate whether willis can keep the case. he will not be prosecuted because he will be a sitting president. >> david, your latest book outlining trump's influence over the justice department over the first administration, do you have any different proposals? >> there will be pressures to investigate the biden family. there could be more investigations. that's the question.

will trump be able to politicize the doj? will there be resistance from career prosecutors who, like as you have been saying, won't bring cases unless they have a certain level of proof of guilt? >> any thoughts on who he could pick as ag? >> one name that's come up. he is close to justice clarence thomas. he is very conservative. he tweeted during the campaign that the biden justice department made up crimes committed by donald trump, a reference to january 6 and the classified documents case. democrats disagree. they say those were serious cases. as you said, a sitting president can't be prosecuted. these cases will go away. that's to let the president rule for his time in office. he has a mandate from the people. that's the system is set up this way. >> if you would, what are your thoughts on how walls and barriers that exist so that our system continues to exist, is that -- are those going to be able to withstand and withhold

anything? >> hopefully. the problem is, the department of justice, the supreme court said the president has exclusive authority over the department of justice, investigations and prosecutions. hopefully, the new president will not use that as an opportunity to make up crimes or go for revenge. that would be unethical for any prosecutor to do that. they could loose their license. >> president biden was very clear on the independence of the ag. it doesn't necessarily always have to be that way. we look at history. certainly, nixon had a lot of pressure and influence. some would say former president trump did as well. what are your biggest concerns? >> that independence is going to disappear. they left it to the justice department to handle criminal investigations. a president should not be

saying, investigate that guy because he didn't give me a big enough campaign donation. >> thinking of kennedy. >> the kennedys, too. the brother was the ag. trump pushed harder than any president since nixon. most people resisted, even republicans. bill barr didn't bring cases he wanted. we're back at this test. the crucial thing will be lying prosecutors being asked to investigate mark zuckerberg, some name that trump has mentioned. that prosecutor has to say there isn't enough evidence to bring the case. does that person get fired? we will see. >> it's been interesting to see the history of the united states its relationship between the executive and its ag. to have a brother is something -- it's interesting. thank you so very much for being with us. up next, the president-elect will be facing two major wars. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel will be with us to talk about that and a lot more.

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56 past the hour. leaders from around the world are congratulating donald trump on his victory. zelenskyy spoke on the phone with trump. his country continues to fight back against russia nearly three years after putin launched an invasion of ukraine. joining us now is nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel. what a treat to have you here. >> it's great to be here in person. we speak all the time. >> i learn something from you every day. one thing i have thinking about is how the world is seeing what happened here this tuesday. let's go, for example, on ukraine. the policy that the united states has had and its leadership in getting all of the other western european countries to support ukraine, that's maybe up in the air.

>> the u.s. has been telling president biden personally has been telling the world, telling zelenskyy, we are with you until the bitter end. what do those promises mean if suddenly, as president trump, now president-elect trump said he is going to do, he wants to end the war quickly, he thinks spending money on zelenskyy is a waste. he doesn't support spending money on ukraine. >> what does that mean? >> if the funding dries all, all the american promises that they would be there until the bitter end -- it does call into question american leadership and credibility. it's an interesting dynamic. part of it is the nature you change presidents every four years. some of that is baked in. a radical change like this. supporting the country, giving it a life line, making them dependent upon the united states militarily and otherwise and then pulling the rug out from

underneath them. it's going to be a shock for ukraine. it's also a shock for american credibility. i think that's going to be noticed. >> how do you think countries -- obviously, every country has a different leader. in europe, for example. how are they seeing what a return to donald trump to the white house may mean? in other words, what parameters -- >> what it means, the return of donald trump to the white house, it means -- it's very personal. it's not just a new administration. they see it as return of this guy. this guy they have had dealings with, this guy they knew for four years. each country has its own perspective on this. there's nobody sitting on the fence. they either love him or hate him. i would say if you want to do -- >> yeah. >> a lot of latin american leaders love him. a lot of central american leaders love him. western european leaders can't

stand him, are afraid of him. think he is a liability for the world's democracy. think he is another oligarch like the ones you find in russia or used to be in brazil. israel, netanyahu, loves him. saudi, uae love him. think they can do a lot of business with him. they can expand this abraham accord. >> something for the suffering people of gaza, for example? >> nothing good. nothing good. president trump hasn't made the people of gaza a priority. he has said israel could do whatever it wants. i don't see that -- >> richard, i need to spend more time and we need to spend more time learning from you. thank you so much. >> let's do it. these are important times. whoever has information, inside resources to contribute, let's do it. >> thank you. good seeing you. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your