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stand him, are afraid of him. think he is a liability for the world's democracy. think he is another oligarch like the ones you find in russia or used to be in brazil. israel, netanyahu, loves him. saudi, uae love him. think they can do a lot of business with him. they can expand this abraham accord. >> something for the suffering people of gaza, for example? >> nothing good. nothing good. president trump hasn't made the people of gaza a priority. he has said israel could do whatever it wants. i don't see that -- >> richard, i need to spend more time and we need to spend more time learning from you. thank you so much. >> let's do it. these are important times. whoever has information, inside resources to contribute, let's do it. >> thank you. good seeing you. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time.
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andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," president biden pledging a peaceful transition. >> the people vote and choose their own leaders and they do it peacefully. we are in a democracy. the will of the people always prevails. >> as democrats agonize over what went wrong. harris telling her supporters not to give up. >> when i say the light of america's promise will always burn bright as long as we never give up and as long as we keep fighting. >> president-elect trump fielding calls from world leaders as his transition team starts working on who will get the top jobs when he returns to the oval office.
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♪♪ good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. moments ago, president biden in the rose garden addressing the nation, committing himself to honoring the historic and constitutional mandate for peaceful transition of power on january 20th. >> i spoke with president-elect trump to congratulate him on his victory. i assured him that i would direct my entire administration to work with his team to ensure a peaceful and ordinarily transition. that's what the american people deserve. >> president-elect trump has yet to sign the official paperwork allowing coordination between his transition team and the biden administration. sources tell nbc news trump wants to fill his cabinet with washington outsiders, facing a premium on loyalty to him.
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his nominees will face a likely friendly confirmation process now that the senate is republican controlled with at least three seats in the majority. four seats still undecided. it's not clear whether democrats can take the house, can keep the house, we should say, and enable hakeem jeffries to become the first black speaker. republicans are mounting strong challenges in a large number of undecided districts, riding trump's red wave. we begin with monica alba, dasha burns covering the trump campaign, susan page, and ashley parker. monica, president biden at the white house invited donald trump to the white house. it's a courtesy that is traditionally extended. trump did not extend that to joe bidn in 2020. what does this look like from the white house perspective? >> ironically, it was eight years ago that then vice
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president biden was at the white house alongside president obama when similar remarks were offered about a peaceful transfer of power and welcoming then president-elect trump to washington and to take over after that term. now, of course, the president joe biden in this current position was in the rose garden moments ago talking about a campaign that his own vice president launched over 100 days because of his fateful decision to step aside and abandon his candidacy during the course of this election cycle. there's just so much complexity to some of the remarks that he offered. he really wanted to package into a simple message, which is that the u.s., he believes, should go back to the centuries of democratic process that we saw before in terms of a peaceful transition of power. he vowed to ensure that his team has been directed to do that alongside the trump transition
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team. he repeated something that he has been saying for a very long time, which is that you can't own love your country when you win. you can't only love your neighbor when you agree with them. he wanted to be sure that america took away this message that it's okay to feel disappointed, to talk about this loss for a long time, that it will sting, but in his words, he said that setbacks are unavoidable, but that giving up is, quote, unforgivable. this is a message that the president really wanted to deliver from the white house and talk about these next 75 days where he has some runway left to try to shore up some of his priorities and his administrative agenda. he said he wants to be sure that people know he has invited president-elect trump to come to washington. we expect that could take place in the near term and he will attend his inauguration, even though donald trump skipped his back in 2020. that will not be the case this time. >> dasha, donald trump today,
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president-elect holding his first meeting with the transition team, led by linda mcmann and howard lutnik. how much progress has the team made? >> they have been working ahead of the election. i'm told that they, too, don't necessarily have the greatest relationship. it's not a natural marriage, according to a spoke with. there are growing pains there. they have been doing that work. they have been taking resumes. at the end of the day, now that he is the president-elect, mr. trump is digging in. he feels according to a senior campaign official that it was a personnel decision that were his achilles heel in his first administration. that is the top priority for him now, choosing people who are loyal, who are on board with the agenda that he wants to enact. he is putting a premium on people from outside of government. we have seen him call out names
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like robert f. kennedy junior, like elon musk. people he wants involved and around him, even if not in formal cabinet positions. we know that he is feeling like he really wants to kind of dismantle a lot of positions, dismantle some of the staff at the pentagon, for example. he is really focused right now on this work. >> dasha, what about the role of donald trump junior? he had a big role in the choice of jd vance as the vice president. is he going to take a formal white house role in personnel or an informal role more likely? certainly, his sister and brother-in-law had official roles in the first trump administration. >> yeah. it's a great question. we haven't seen ivanka or jared in the mix this time around.
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ivanka was with him on election night. don junior has played a massive role. so has eric. we don't know if don junior will have a formal role. in this transition period, what we hear is he will have a veto power. he will be in his father's ear. he is around. right now, palm beach is the new political center of gravity for the coming months. >> it's really very, very interesting. no ivanka and jared. they want no part of the next administration and have not been part of the campaign. thanks to both of you, dasha and monica. we appreciate all of your reporting as this evolves. susan page, let's talk about elon musk and rfk junior, talk about unofficial roles. they are likely going to play important roles, but not cabinet secretaries necessarily, according to what rfk junior seemed to be saying so vaughn hillyard yesterday. >> no.
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>> possibly to avoid senate confirmation. with the senate now in republican control, it would be easier. >> yes. but even with 52 republican senators and maybe more, i think robert f. kennedy junior could be a heavy lift. you don't need senate confirmation if you are on the white house staff. it looks like that's going to happen. that will be remarkable given the views that rfk junior expressed on fluoride in water. elon musk doesn't need a formal role. in his informal role, the richest man in the world is the most powerful civilian in the world as one of the tip sheets said, he has a position of enormous influence. he played a big part in trump's campaign and the success of his campaign by the support from his social media platform x and from all that money he spent on
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trump's behalf. >> especially in pennsylvania. ashley, any word on who might become chief of staff? that's usually the first decision made. it certainly was with donald trump last time around. >> the two names we are hearing the most are susie wiles. she's the only campaign manager who has survived an entire campaign cycle with donald trump. no small feat. burke rollins, who comes from a trump affiliated maga outside group. susie is someone who really shepherded this campaign, made it -- the candidate was not disciplined, necessarily. but made the apparatus surrounding him, the campaign around him disciplined and with a lot less.
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again, not no but a lot less infighting and back stabbing. she's viewed as the lead contender, as if she wants it. usual caveats apply with donald trump. nothing happens until he announced it. we don't necessarily know if she would want to -- if she's making a play for this. she would be the leader and brooke rollins. wiles would send a signal that this white house would have some or she would try to implement some of the discipline and rigor and order that was missing in past white houses from previous chiefs of staff and which we largely saw on the staff level from this third trump campaign. >> susan page, donald trump made a lot of campaign promises, including mass deportations. here is what he said at his victory speech. >> we will have to seal up those borders. we will have to let people come
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into our country -- [ applause ] we want people to come back in. but we have to let them come back in but they have to come in legally. they have to come in legally. i will govern by a simple motto. promises made, promises kept. we will keep our promises. >> how does he do that? is that an executive order? >> mass deportations? that's going to be a difficult thing to do. it's perhaps the most fundamental promise he made along with foreign tariffs during this campaign. i think we should take him at his word. we should assume donald trump will attempt to do what he said he was going to do. mass deportations the top of the list. not an easy thing to do. it involves millions of people. securing the southern border is popular. mass deportations, including people who have been in the country for a decade to more, not so popular and something they would see a lot of pushback
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by democrats. >> ashley, any hot tips on key cabinet posts? we know that rick ranell for secretary of state. he was our ambassador to germany, controversially. didn't make friends with merkel over there. a special envoy to serbia and involved in financial investments, his real estate investments with jared kushner in the last couple of years. >> that's right. the top two names i'm hearing for secretary of state are rick and senator marco rubio. other names we hear bandied about, senator tom cotton for defense department. also ram swa mee.
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the biggest and most important one in the eyes of president-elect trump is attorney general. he was unhappy with his past attorney generals. he felt they were not loyal. he made clear he wants represent retribution. he doesn't want an attorney general in the traditional model of independent as we see under president biden. he wants someone who will be his personal lawyer and fixer. the names we are hearing are senator mike lee is one. senator eric schmid and john ratcliff who was in his administration. >> he has had a very edgy relationship with the intelligence community in his first presidency. that is also going to be really interesting to watch. susan page, ashley parker, thanks to both of you. in 90 seconds, how world
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prime minister benjamin netanyahu, victor orban saying they spoke about big plans for the future. he has been a visitor to mar-a-lago. zelenskyy saying he and trump agreed to maintain close dialogue. nervous about some things that trump said about vladimir putin, praising him and questioning the ukraine weapons. china's president xi jinping says he urged both nations to find the right way to get along. arguably, china is the most important challenge and the most important relationship. nbc's janis mackey frayer joins us from beijing. the u.s. and china have had a strained relationship. there are concerns about a tariff, a trade war with donald trump. he pledged massive tariffs on the majority of goods that china exports. how does that impact the
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relationship, especially with the military tensions in the south china sea and, of course, the continuing issue of taiwan? >> reporter: andrea, like much of the world, china is trying to figure out what trump 2.0 means for already icy relations with the u.s. what trump means is, tariffs. intent on expanding a trade dispute with china he launched in his first term as president. he is promising 60% tariffs on all chinese imports. that's higher than the 7% to 25% tariffs that were imposed before. china's economy now is in a more vulnerable position. there's also a concern here that worse relations could bring about a de-coupling of the world's two largest economies. that, according to any economist, is devastating. this is where elon musk, of all people, could likely intervene to protect his deep business interests that tesla has here. there are also diplomatic challenges. beijing using its influence with north korea, let's say, to --
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now that north korean troops are fighting for russia in ukraine. trump likes to tout his personal relations with authoritarian leaders like kim jong-un. but a lot has changed. with north korea, has more weapons capabilities and a partnership with russia. on many foreign policy fronts, it's a very different world that he is facing in this second term. >> he is continuing over these years, when he was out of office, to embrace vladimir putin. that makes ukraine and zelenskyy very nervous about being pressured to negotiate. but also, back on china, will trump live up to the u.s. treaty commitment, which is ironclad, to defend the philippines, our ally from any chinese threats in the south china sea? >> that's a huge question for u.s. allies in the region, japan, south korea and the philippines, as they counter china and chinese aggression in
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the south china sea. if we look back, trump did not build regional alliances during his first term. more than anything, he expected allies hosting u.s. troops to pay more for that security. it is unclear where he stands on taiwan. what xi jinping wants is to establish china as this alternative center of power. they are working hard here to portray america as an unreliable friend in the region. if trump's america first policies distance the u.s. further from allies like the philippines, china is going to stand to benefit a lot. >> janis mackey frayer, thank you so much. joining us now is ben rhodes, the former deputy national security advisor in the obama administration. picking up that thread, ben, if donald trump were to carry out his campaign pledge on 60% tariffs on all chinese goods,
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which most economists have said is basically a tax on american consumers, not a burden on china, but it impacts chinese exports, if he were to do that, how do you think beijing would react? >> i think in a couple of ways. first of all, you are right, it couldn't be more inflationary to throw that level of tariffs. i think the way beijing would react is bilaterally they would try to draw the united states into another protracted negotiation over different sectors and different products. we saw this in the first trump term. maybe they can agree to buy more agricultural products from some region or person, frankly, that trump cares about. try to manage the existence of this tariff dynamic, try to get relief where they can. more importantly, this is a massive geopolitical opportunity for china. they have been trying to build
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an alternative international order to the u.s.-led one based on the argument the u.s. is totally unreliable and that china is interested in things other countries are interested in. investment, infrastructure, clean energy, raw material supply, technology. china will want to use the next four years to peel off countries in asia, africa and europe, i think, from the united states being the hub of the global economy. i think that they can make real inroads there given trump's predilection to picking fights with allies. this over the long-term is about creating alternatives to the u.s. dollar as the main means of exchange in the global economy. i think china will take a hit economically from the tariffs, but they see a huge open space geopolitically to begin to replace the united states as a hub of a lot of geopolitical activity. >> already europeans are hedging and looking towards china as a
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counterbalance if donald trump proves to be a difficult ally regarding nato and the defense of western europe. as well as the economic ties with western europe. let's talk about israel and gaza. we have two wars, ukraine and the middle east. that's another area where there could be big changes. israel's prime minister using perhaps the cover of election day, preoccupation in the u.s. and around the world, to fire his defense minister, one of the few critics within the war cabinet, pushing back on netanyahu's insistence on continuing the war in gaza and not putting enough priority on returning the hostages. now he is gone. he has a free reign within the cabinet. president-elect who is not going to restrain him on iran, gaza or other military moves at least according to what donald trump has pledged to him openly in
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mar-a-lago july 26th when they were down there in public at a photo op. >> yeah. i think if you are netanyahu, you are in the strongest position since october 7th. he has done away with any sense of a unity government. this is netanyahu and his coalition running the show. no interest in a cease-fire for hostage deal. i look for, if you are netanyahu and the right wing in the cabinet, you have a four-year period to do all the things you want to do. i look not only for the continued bombardment and displacement of people from northern gaza, i consider the annexation of the west bank. if there was a time israel would make that move, they might see a trump presidency as a time to do that. we could look at efforts to redraw the map of the middle east. iran, the risks of escalation there, israelis who wanted to go after the nuclear and oil facilities, interestingly, the break there might be vladimir putin who is clearly a close ally of the iran scans.
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he relied on iranian drones for his war this ukraine. accident want to see a regime change effort led by israel in iran. there may be interesting geopolitical overlapping interests in the middle east. i would look to the west bank and gaza and how far israel might push knowing they have a complete permission structure from trump. >> do you think there would be restraint on netanyahu's military ambitions and territorial ambitions from the saudis? because of the arab -- the anger in the palestinian world over what happened in gaza? >> you know, the biden administration tried that. they said, no normalization until there's a palestinian state. that was a very firm and new position that he wasn't going to
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settle for aspirational pursuit of a palestinian state. they would have to move off of that position to normalize. there's no way in this there's a palestinian state in the next four years. i don't know. that may be the play that they are counting on that's worked in the past. given the scale of the israeli military, he may be more likely to cut a deal with trump for nuclear technology or additional defense technology, for artificial intelligence, something the saudis would want. biden has been reticent to do that. you may see the saudis doing things with trump. i'm not sure there's an abraham accords framework that can change the dynamic in this israel has designs on the west bank and perhaps northern gaza in the coming months. >> we both know where donald trump made his first overseas trip, which broke all precedent, which was to riyadh.
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the business relationship between the saudi leader and jared kushner. >> yeah. let's not forget that $2 billion of saudi money went into jared kushner's investment fund in the last four years. if you don't think that creates conflicts of interest, i don't know what world you are living in. the world we live in, it's transactional. to tie all the threads together, trump will be transactional. he will gravitate to people with money, people like netanyahu, orban. for u.s. allies, they have hard choices to make. >> according to my reporting, that commitment of $2 billion was made to jared kushner --
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>> this is where we are. >> let's talk -- let's continue the conversation at our next opportunity. we will talk about zelenskyy and ukraine and nato. appreciate you. next, what donald trump's election day victory means for all his legal challenges. that's ahead. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. ed hairs from my face. game changa! while the flexdisc contours to it, so the five blades can virtually get every hair in one stroke, for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs.
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state cases in new york and georgia could be frozen until trump leaves office. joining me now on all of this is former u.s. attorney joyce vance. it's great to see you. what does it mean for the department -- justice department to wind down the special counsel's cases? trump's lawyers are proposing that. do they take separate action at doj to pre-empt that? do they go in front of the judge? how does that work? >> it's an interesting strategic choice for doj to make. they could wait for trump to fire them or terminate those investigations and prosecutions once his acting attorney general is in office. that would be the end of the cases entirely.
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by preparing to wind down early, i suspect jack smith is preserving his ability to write a final report. there are a couple of different situations involved in writing those reports. it's an easy enough matter to make sure that they go to congressional leaders of both parties. that would at a minimum preserve a historical record of the evidence and information that smith has compiled during his cases. i suspect that that's the process that we are seeing him put in place. it's important to remember that that second case, the classified documents case from florida, that's been dismissed by the judge. it's in front of the 11th circuit. smith is trying to resuscitate it. perhaps he will concede and let it go away. but there are two co-defendants in the case. the government could continue to proceed against them. trump would be likely to grant them some form of a pre-emptive pardon before trial. at least the justice department -- this justice
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department could force him to do that rather than making it easy for him. >> in that case, the classified documents case, which by all accounts -- the evidence was very clear. the pictures, the video, cooperating witness. judge cannon ruled -- there was criticism of this -- that there was no legal right for a special prosecutor. can the justice department take some steps to try to keep that case going against co-defendants, let's say, just to try to get a legal ruling from a higher court upholding the special counsel or special prosecutor role? >> they can and they likely will. because that decision about the legitimacy of special counsels is important to the justice department. judge cannon in florida, the ruling she entered is contrary to a longstanding body of case law in the district of columbia that says that special counsels can be appointed in the manner
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that jack smith was appointed. i think that we will see them try to pursue that. we don't know how the 11th circuit will react. the case is not on a fast track. of course, at the end of the day, once the trump administration is in place in january, the fate of every case will rest in the hands of trump's new officials. >> what about reviving any of the cases after he leaves office, four years from now? are there statutes of limitation? how do you preserve the evidence? >> lots of complicated legal questions there. in the first instance, it would require the justice department to put them on hold rather than dismissing them outright. with four years in office, trump's attorney general will certainly be able to craft sort of a setting -- a legal setting that will end those cases with finality. i expect that's what we will see. i don't think it's realistic, this notion of putting them off
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for four years because evidence spoils in that period of time, but also because prosecutors in the department will be able to end those cases permanently rather than simply let them linger if that's what the new attorney general chooses to do. >> there's no question also that he has made it very clear that he is determined to have an attorney general who will answer to him and not an institutionalist the way jeff sessions was. joyce vance, a lot to watch out for. thank you. next, after an historic election, what political parties are learning from their wins and their losses. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. and. ♪ and struggle with cpap. you should check out inspire. ♪ no mask. no hose. just sleep.
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bernie sanders, an independent who ran for departmentic nomination in 2016 and caucuses with democrats is blasting democrats. blasting the leaders for losing sight of working class voters, he says, after a campaign he is calling disastrous. sanders says, it should come as no great surprise that a democratic party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them. joining me now is former republican national communications -- rnc communications director doug heye and former democratic
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congresswoman donna edwards. donna, do you agree with senator sanders? he campaigned for vice president harris. he is now going after the party for what they didn't learn and how they lost the working class voters. >> look, i don't -- i don't think the campaign was a disaster. i mean, it was disciplined. it was focused. it had 107 days to do what some people -- some candidates can't do in two years. the reality is that working class voters, particularly non-college educated voters, have been walking away from the democratic party for some time now. it feels that our agenda needs to speak more directly to their concerns. i think today is a day that we should be looking at what happened but not finding the solutions today, because i just think that we need a lot more information about what is going
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on with voters and then chart a clear path forward for democrats in order to regain the trust of the voters who have left us. >> doug, this has been a realignment election. clearly, donald trump doing well in new york and new jersey, better than republicans have in years and years. also, picking up the senate seats, potentially the house as well. >> we always knew the senate was going to go republican. it started with west virginia and joe manchin. what's interesting isn't north carolina and pennsylvania. it's new jersey, it's connecticut. places nobody was paying attention to were donald trump narrowed the gap. it means that voters throughout the country, almost everywhere in the country, moved to the right. i think that's for a couple reasons. one, populism is about people. whether you are donald trump or bernie sanders, you are focused on people.
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two, the rhetoric of the left has turned a lot of the people off. i saw in so many college football games the trump ad that says kamala harris is for they and them, i'm for you. he would say, you see the signs that say i'm with her? i'm with you. he is talking about people. as the left has moved further and further away from where voters are, it is why they have found themselves in trouble. that old line in "it's a wonderful life." every time a bell rings an angel gets its wings. every time a democrat says hispanic x -- >> it was showing the nfl viewer, fans, transgender rights for felons, which was a trump policy while he was in office. putting that on kamala harris from her initial campaign for president.
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that kind of focus amplifying it and misstating it in ads. let me ask donna about this. doug is right about expanding the support. especially with people of color. expanding support largely in the hispanic community. speaking to working class hispanics in georgia, in pennsylvania, critical voters in more and more states, and speaking to them not as a monolithic community, but speaking to people who now have the aspirations, frustrations, anxieties of white working class voters who have long gone to donald trump. >> i mean, the fact is -- it should be no surprise. when people are concerned about buying bread and eggs, it's hard for them to think about big structural changes about things as distant like democracy. those things are important, of
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course. but i think that people want be able to take care of themselves and their children and build a future for their families. they didn't feel it in this economy. that is not to say that the american economy compared to the rest of the world is humming along. for ordinary people, it doesn't feel thatreality is, it isn't t way when you try to stretch a paycheck. there's a lot to learn here. we don't know what the role of race and gender played in this race among some of these segments of voters. we have to dig beneath the numbers to understand what's happening with voters. i think democrats have a big job ahead of them in the next couple of years to try to sort this out and to speak with voters not in a condescending way but in a
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language that voters understand, that they can interpret from what your policy positions are going to be. we got a lot of work to do. >> a lot of work also on first-time voters. the young voters, people under 30 who went in large numbers, especially young men, to donald trump. want to also ask you, donna, very briefly, how does it feel to have a black woman senator from your home state of maryland? >> well, i mean, you know, we got two black women senators. one from maryland. i think this is an important, historic moment. also in delaware. that means having two black women serving at the same time, which has never happened in the history of the nation. there are some bright spots in this election.
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angela and lisa are two of those bright spots. >> i would say particularly from maryland, which many parts of -- which were longtime a southern state and to see that is quite extraordinary. a long time coming. >> can i add very quickly, lisa has been a tremendous member of congress. i know less about angela. she's going to be great senator. delaware made a smart choice. >> she's impressive. doug, thank you so much for coming. >> thank you. >> donna, great to see you. next, michael beschloss putting the president-elect's win into perspective. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. presentation looks great. thanks! thanks! voya provides tools that help you make the right investment and benefit choices so you can reach today's financial goals. that one! and look forward, to a more confident future. that is one dynamic duo.
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ideals, even as the current political climate might feel dark to them. it certainly does to most of them. they were all crying. a lot of tears in that crowd at howard university. joining us now, nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. michael, in historic terms, i mean, there are a number of historic facts here. >> yeah, for sure. >> the first former president elected non-consecutive terms since grover cleveland 1892. >> right. >> so that's my beschloss little nugget for the day. >> we've heard grover cleveland more the last couple of days than probably the past 50 years. >> we can put grover cleveland to bed. >> right. >> in historic terms true re-alignment, new coalitions. what do you think is the most compelling new idea that emerges from all of this? >> well, you know, we're about to see possibly the strongest president in american history. and that goes all the way back
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to 1789. because first of all the supreme court has said that he is immune to prosecution in most cases. he will probably at this moment, it seems, or perhaps might control both the house and the senate. so you're not going to have any kind of constraint on him in terms of impeachment even though i think impeachment has become pretty much toothless for everyone. so no constraint there. he got the popular vote, which people are aware of. and also he has set out as a campaign promise to say dictator for a day. i don't think that goes on for a day. and maybe he won't be a dictator but he is going to try to use every single lever of presidential power in a way that we haven't seen all the way back to 1789. >> and if the house does remain republican and he has, you know, the trifecta plus the supreme
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court arguably -- >> right. >> -- he according to all the reporting, bob woodward, jeff goldberg, my reporting, peter baker, susan glasser, david remnick, lots of reporting, firsthand evidence from 24 national security and military officials. >> right. >> mattis, kelly, mcmaster, esper. who all worked for him. this is a man who needed guardrails, especially after january 6th when they had their informal conversations before any really big decisions were going to be made. this raises all kinds of questions. >> in full knowledge of all that the american people by a millions popular vote majority of the kind donald trump has never had in three elections have said otherwise.
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this is what we are dealing with. this is what we are about to see. and i think the question -- you know, you want to blame anyone for those worries, go back to the founders because the founders chose not to put very many constraints on a president of the united states. they thought that most or all presidents would have the kind of self-restraint and the feeling of duty and set of ethics that george washington did. and not everyone has had that. but in this case you have donald trump who thinks that part of his obligation as president is not to restrain himself from seizing all the power that he can. and also the founders said that the president has two skrobz. one is to proenz policies that may make people feel divided and angry but also to unite the country as chief of state. but they didn't put that in the constitution and say that's a
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job requirement. it depends on the character of the president of the united states. and i'm saying this whether we like donald trump or not. this is someone who has basically said -- he said on the night that he was elected that he would try to heal the country, but that is not high on his hit parade. >> simply all of the reporting is that he is looking for people in his cabinet who are loyal to him, not loyal to the constitution. >> we're going to have to look for ways in our system to restrain him if it goes too far. >> we'll continue this conversation. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow the show on social media. mitchellreports. you can watch the boast of our show anytime on youtube, just go to msnbc.com/andrea. "chris jansing reports" starts after a short break. arts after a short break. that reach! making hard to reach... so easy. swiffer.
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