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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, you can't love your country only when you win. president joe biden's message to the nation following donald trump's victory promising a peaceful transfer of power. what to expect from biden's last dates in office before he hands over the keys to trump. and oval office invitation. president biden inviting trump back to the white house four years after ousting him. what to expect from that meeting of political rivals. plus, parting message, vice president kamala harris's speech

to supporters at howard university promising to never stop fighting for the country. and border spike, new nbc news reporting revealing the biden administration is preparing for a potential migrant surge ahead of president-elect trump taking office. what's being done right now to prepare? our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start at the white house where the president tried to rally democrats. nbc's mike memoli is at the white house. mike, i was there at the white house after donald trump defeated hillary clinton. it was a tough day to say the least for folks who worked inside there. i wonder what the mood is and what the message was, more of the message from president biden? >> reporter: well, chris, i also remember that time well, and you know who else does? joe biden. he was of course then the vice president, was in the west wing as they grappled with donald trump's first victory. now here he is today as the president of the united states dealing with in so many ways, a feeling of personal rejection. i've talked to a number of

officials who say in some ways they haven't begun to process what happened. and so as the president came to the rose garden today, he obviously had a message for the american people. he also had a specific message to those who have been with him in some cases for decades. take a listen. >> the people vote and choose their own leaders and they do it peacefully, and we're in a democracy. the will of the people always prevails. to all of our incredible staff, supporters, cabinet members, all the people who have been hanging out with me for the last 40 years, god love you, as my mother would say. thank you so much, you put so much into the past four years. i know it's a difficult time. you're hurting. i hear you and i see you, but don't forget. don't forget all that we accomplished. >> reporter: and now, chris, any minute now we're going to have the first white house press briefing since tuesday's election, and the shock result. we'll hear from karine jean-pierre about the road ahead, and potentially some information about what we might

see the president-elect and former president come to the oval office, something that president biden had warned repeatedly over the course of the campaign he was hoping to see avoided. >> thank you so much, mike memoli. we appreciate it. now, donald trump is, as he said, expected to meet with -- at the white house with donald trump with president biden. dasha burns is following the president-elect from west palm beach. do you have any insights into when this meeting might take place? are there any rumblings? >> reporter: all we know so far is quote, shortly. but what i can tell you is that according to some of the sources we have been speaking to, the former president received the call from president biden and from vice president harris while he was in a conciliatory mood. he agreed with them about uniting the country, and it's interesting. one campaign official is telling me that some of the bitterness we have heard over the campaign trail is gone. there have been no mentions of jack smith, of letitia james.

there were a lot of mentions of them basically every hour in the past, and that's not just because the legal issues are being put to the side and won't be so relevant now that he is the president-elect, but also because he feels, with this result, winning the popular vote, sweeping those battleground states, he feels vindicated. he feels validated and he feels a real mandate now to fulfill his promises and he's sort of focused in on that. he has been receiving calls from world leaders, all of yesterday, all of today. a senior campaign official telling me that those calls have been a mix of relief and that for some of them, it's felt like an old friend coming home. they have been very nice calls, according to this campaign official. and now the work of the transition really begins. he had his first meeting with the transition team today. this campaign official telling me that he feels like it was his achilles heel last time, those

personnel decisions, so he wants to be very heavily involved this time around. he's prioritizing folks who don't have as much government experience. he's prioritizing people who will be loyal. we have been talking time and again about how much he has embraced robert f. kennedy jr., folks like elon musk that he wants to have involved, maybe not in official cabinet positions but certainly playing a big role. chris? >> dasha burns, always good to see you, and boy, what a beautiful backdrop. thank you so much. now to the concession of kamala harris and her emotional audience, including family members. nbc's monica alba is reporting from d.c. for us, what's the latest from the former harris/walz campaign camp? >> it was striking that the vice president delivered her concession speech at howard university yesterday which was supposed to be the site of what she had hoped would be a victory speech overnight after results on election night came in, and of course once it was very clear that she was going to lose the

race, they decided to reschedule them for yesterday afternoon, and she came out and said that she called former president trump, had a conversation with him about the importance of a peaceful transfer of power and that she wanted him to be a president for, quote, all americans, and then she really had a message to her supporters about not despairing in this moment and instead of throwing their hands up, they should roll up their sleeves. here's a little bit more about what she had to say. >> the outcome of this election is not what we wanted, not what we fought for, not what we voted for, but hear me when i say, hear me when i say, the light of america's promise will always burn bright. >> reporter: so there was this sort of mobilizing call from the vice president's remarks, urging

americans to think about how they can organize now, and what they can do, and how they can prepare for a second trump term in office. and now, chris, it's notable the vice president goes back to her day job, her official capacity. she is just doing internal meetings today, and they are figuring out in terms of governing how she will close out these last 74 days or so. again, as a partner to president biden, as they try to shore up some of the biden/harris administration agenda before donald trump returns to the white house. chris. >> monica alba, thank you. we have some new nbc news reporting right now. it reveals that border patrol is preparing for an increase in migrant crossings in the month before donald trump takes office. nbc's julia ainsley is part of the team behind this scoop, so this is coming from two u.s. officials. tell us more about it. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. these are two u.s. officials who told us about a call that secretary of homeland security mayorkas actually convened on

monday afternoon, before the election just to go over dhs's operational capacity, meaning how many beds, how many people do they have at the border who can stop migrants, how many planes do they have to do deportations, to get an assessment of that specifically because of a concern that was being raised that if trump was elected there could be a flood. we saw a slight spike at the same time in 2016 when obama was ending his term and trump had been elected. there's this sense for migrants that if they don't get in before trump comes in, the doors will be shut. they're worried about what might happen because of the rhetoric he used on the campaign trail then, and especially with the rhetoric he's using now, and so we're seeing that as well when we look at migrant chatter groups. these are people on whatsapp, on social media, on facebook, where smugglers are advertising their services and the immigrants are saying, yes, i've heard we have to get there before january. now is the time to come. they're worried about family members who might not be able to get here in time. we spoke to two people operating shelters in northern mexico,

different parts of mexico, and they say as well, they are seeing more migrants coming and more who think now might be the time to come. they don't want to wait for those appointments that they were able to book through the biden administration, cvp1 app. it's certainly something the biden administration is aware of and watching, and something we'll be paying attention to as well. chris. just moments ago, the fed announced it cut interest rates by a quarter of a percentage point. this is the second cut in a row. now, in a different political environment, this decision might be heralded as a success for the biden/harris administration, proof they pulled off the so called soft landing, reducing inflation without triggering a recession. but about 20 minutes from now, we are expecting to hear from the fed chair, jerome powell about their decision and the path forward. we'll be listening to anything he says that might affect your wallet or the fed's independence under a new trump administration. coming up, inside the fight for control of the house of representatives and why democrats say the house is still

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his republican challenger to hold on to his south texas congressional district. so here's where we are now. 34 races still to be called. house republicans need only nine to gain control over all branches of federal government. democratic leader hakeem jeffries says he believes the house remains very much in play. "axios" reports the party's hopes have grown deeply troubling with operatives on both sides conceding that while democrats have a technical shot, the gop could grow their five seat majority. when you look at the numbers, that's not like going out on a limb very much. let's bring in melanie zanona, an msnbc political contributor. here in studio, michael hardaway, former communications director for hakeem jeffries, brendan buck is former press secretary to house speakers john boehner and paul ryan. brendan is also an msnbc political analyst. welcome all of you.

tell us what we know at this point about these meetings each caucus had today, and what their level of confidence is right now about their chances of taking control? >> yeah, chris, two very different calls between house republicans and house democrats. in the house republican calls, it was a lot of celebration, confidence, and for house democrats, it was more defiance and depression, i would say, but let me start with house democrats. as you mentioned, house minority leader hakeem jeffries says they're not conceding anything yet. the house has not been called. there are a number of outstanding races, and in those races, there are enough republicans currently leading to give republicans the confidence that they ultimately will flip the house. it could be a very slim margin, ultimately, for republicans. and so jeffries really counseling patience to his members. they also said now is not the time for finger pointing or postmortems, but of course those conversations are starting to take place behind the scenes. i have been talking to democrats over the last 24 or so hours,

and they have already started to blame, you know, each other, blaming biden for not stepping down, blaming their messaging, say they didn't do enough to win over working class voters. they are kicking around ideas about how to win the critical voters back, and meanwhile, on the republican side, you had speaker mike johnson on that call saying this is now a center right country. he said republicans have a mandate to govern to plow through conservative priorities, they're going to win the white house, the senate, on track to likely win the house. i'll let brendan and michael debate whether republicans have a mandate or not, especially if they only have 218 republicans in the house, but that is the mentality of republicans heading into this critical lame duck, and then within the first hundred days, they are promising to push through a number of trump's priorities including trump tax cuts, chris. >> so, let's talk about this. michael, let me start with you, you know hakeem jeffries very well. we don't know whether he's going

to be speaker or minority leader. what kinds of conversations do you imagine are going on right now or did go on on those calls? >> so i spoke with leader jeffries this morning, and he is optimistic. and i think there's reason to be optimistic. if you think about this. >> let me just say, the republicans need nine. the democrats need 27. >> it's not the number. here's the thing, this is why he's optimistic. whomever wins, it will be a slim majority, and so if republicans win, speaker johnson will have to work with leader jeffries on a daily basis to pass a number of things, and obviously vice versa, and i think the house will be interesting. it's not the senate where there's a wider majority when we come to this. they'll have to work together, and they have a good relationship. i think that's good news for all of us. >> is there, do you think, brendan, this center right mandate from the country, and do republicans have reason to be optimistic about their governing possibilities? >> yeah, i think michael is right in one way. there has been a track record of republicans not being able to

get their act together and do things on their own, and having to resort to working with democrats. >> josh, your former bosses might know something about that. >> when i was there in 2017, when donald trump first came in, we had 18, 20 seat majority. mike johnson has had to deal with, and kevin mccarthy before him, you know, four, sometimes as little as two or three votes. republicans have going to have no interest in doing anything in a bipartisan way for a long time until they have to. and mike johnson has shown time and again that when they try to do things on their own with their narrow majority, they're unable to. they fall flat on their face. they go to hakeem jeffries, can you help us out and get something done. they will have opportunities to do big things on taxes, where you could potentially use a procedure where you don't need any democrats. you could do this on a party line vote. that's what they're clearly going to start off doing. there's a real possibility they have a one, two, three seat majority, and if they can get every single house member, which is not easy to do, they may not be able to do tax reform in the way they want to, and then you

have a very interesting bipartisan dynamic in the house. >> you also have a very interesting choice, depending on the numbers, of course, for what the democrats are going to do, and i just want to read -- because there's been a little bit of finger pointing, something that was written by new york democratic congressman ritchie torrez, he writes this, pretty blunt. donald trump has no greater friend than the far left which has managed to alienate a latinos, blacks, asians and jews with absurdities like defund the police or from the river to the sea or latinx, the working class is not buying the ivory towered nonsense that the far left is selling. so there's a real challenge, right, when you have, i think, more than a couple of people. ritchie torrez is not alone in his belief that the messaging from the left has gone too far for most americans. but also the fact that best case scenario, they have a very very

very slim majority. so how does he navigate that? >> this is a messaging failure, but it's not about the left. it's about the fact that democrats don't communicate the things we do for the american public. for instance, the prolac which protects unions is a democratic effort. however, the teamsters a number of them came out in support of donald trump. that's a failure of our side to communicate to voters what we have actually done for them, and obviously protecting social security, medicare. >> joe biden went into michigan, and he was the first president -- the argument you're making while it may be true is a little more complicated argument, i think, than the ones that have caused even a lot of people who consider themselves democrats for a long time to feel like you're not speaking to my concerns. >> we don't because we're talking about all of these other things. economic issues and opportunities should be our focus for messaging. everything else should be to the side. that is the failure of our party. i think that's what happened this week, which is we failed to communicate the things that

matter, which is economically what we're going to do for you, and how we're going to pave the way for opportunity for you and your family to improve your lives. >> on the other side, brandon, center right is an interesting phrase because there isn't much centrist about the way the republican party looks right now. you have seen an exodus, both of their own volition in some cases because they were challenged of true centrists, right, people who do want to reach across the aisle. short of being forced to do it is this donald trump's party, and frankly, the speaker and the rest of the republicans are just living in it. >> certainly, we're definitely not a far right country, and i'm glad that the speaker didn't suggest otherwise. republicans are going to come in with a mandate. every party that wins says they're coming in with a mandate. it doesn't matter what we say, whether or not they do it. donald trump is the center of the universe for the republican party, and he's going to set all policy priorities. when he first came in in 2017, he basically said, hey, paul

ryan, mitch mcconnell, you figure out the policy agenda. i'm going to go over here and be president. this is a whole different world now. he has not only defined the tone and tenor in the working class approach of the republican party, but he's also, you know, outlined the priorities of public policy when it comes to immigration, and how they're going to handle taxes. he's going to set the tone in a way that speaker johnson, assuming he's still speaker is going to have to keep up. the roles are reversed than when he first came in. >> melanie, if you're still there, let me give you a quick 30 seconds to tell us what are the key races that you think folks should be looking at right now that are still uncalled? >> reporter: arizona and california. it's all about the races over there. those are still being called, but like i said, a number of the republicans are ahead. david, juan in arizona. ken calvert, the dean of the california republican association in california. those are what jeffreys and johnson are watching.

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perhaps no one is more pleased with the return of president-elect trump than the world's ten richest people who are all men. collectively, they got $64 billion richer yesterday, a record amount, by the way, as stocks surged after trump's victory. and just moments from now, we're expecting to hear from the fed chair about the new decision from the central bank to lower interest rates. the markets are already responding with the dow down just a tiny, well, that's the tiniest of bits, right now. joining us is nbc's brian cheung and christine romans. talk about, brian, this new decision from the fed, and what it might mean for ordinary americans. >> markets essentially flat after, by the way, having record numbers at the close yesterday, record on the dow, record on the nasdaq. look, the federal reserve announcing just a few minutes ago that they're cutting interest rates, again, this time by a quarter percentage point, different than when they cut interest rates by a half a percentage point in september. the reason they are doing this

is not anything to do with the election, it has everything to do with what the economy looks like. inflation looks a lot better than it did two years ago, and because the federal reserve is worried about unemployment rising, they have been trying to readjust and lower the interest rates. that could mean marginally lower interest rates for the things you pay on debt. mortgage rates have been on the rise, and we look at treasury yields on the rise too. it's unclear if we'll see mortgage rates flow down. the 3% mortgage rates, they might be gone for a little while. >> wow, the dow yesterday, what's going on, what's the wall street reaction? what are you hearing? >> couple of things. . you don't have a long drawn out decision. donald trump won the election. there won't be all of these lawsuits. >> the street doesn't like that uncertainty. >> they do not like uncertainty. that's kryptonite for wall street. that decision was exciting. and for a lot of business leaders and investors, frankly, when you're talking about slashing regulations, slashes

taxes for companies, those are two things that are rocket fuel for corporate profits. that's an example of how wall street -- i do want to point out, a lot of people in maga world were saying, look, the stock market is going to be in good shape. i want to show you how well the stock market has done. it rallied 67% when donald trump had his first term, and has continued to rally. you can see the last tiny bit of that is post election, but it has been a big, big run for stocks. conditions in the u.s. for companies, not necessarily main street, but for wall street have been very very good for some time. >> can we talk about these billionaires? first of all, you know how sometimes you're like, oh, pull something out of the closet and you'll go in your pocket and find a 20. if i found 64 bucks i would be thrilled to death. $64 billion. that was just yesterday. so they've already benefitted from trump's victory, but what's the expectation? what are they looking for that makes them feel positively about the economic future?

>> i think one thing that could be interesting, though, is if you start to have a bunch of trade wars over tariffs, that could reverse some of the fortunes for some of those people betting on a donald trump second term. there will be pressure to make sure that whatever kind of policies he's implementing will not be disruptive to the overall economy, he is promising two things that economists worry about, mass deportations and strict tariffs, 60% on chinese goods. >> and 10% blanket on the other country too, by the way, trump has his own stock, trump media, which includes truth social. he has 115 million shares, which imply, could be a billion dollars of extra windfall for him. >> winning was really profitable for him. >> big time. >> christine romans and brian cheung, thank you very much. democrats are picking up the pieces looking to forge ahead with a new path, who might be in the best position to be the party's new standard bearer,

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fury, finger pointing and self-reflection, democrats are beginning to position themselves for who will lead the party now, and into the next election. congresswoman nicky tells nbc

news, this is a realignment, our party needs to grapple with it. as some democrats call for a full party reckoning, discussions are brewing about 2028 contenders. yamiche alcindor is reporting from washington, d.c. michael hardaway, and brendan buck are back here. what are democrats honing in on as they try to forge some sort of path forward from this loss? >> it's a key question, and really what i see is democrats doing a lot of soul searching and not landing on one exact reason why vice president harris loss. i am hearing from a number of people there needs to be a whole full realignment of the democratic party. you heard bernie sanders saying the democratic party has abandoned the working class, and in his mind, it's no wonder the working class that has abandoned the party. there are people pushing back on that saying this is not just a party that needs to talk about the economic visions, they need to talk about the makeup of the senior advisers in the campaign.

a lot of people going against the obama era democratic strategists, didn't understand their candidate. there's a lot of finger pointing to president biden, some saying that he should have never run for reelection. others saying he dropped out too late. there's also this talk of sort of what is the democratic party and whether or not it's culturally relevant, and cull rurally understanding the pulse of the country. i have talked to young democratic strategists, they say they want more of a voice in the party. gen zers and millennials saying they understand better than the older strategists what this party is going to do. what i can tell you is there is certainly going to be a long conversation, a long ongoing conversation among democrats about what to do next because one source told me they feel like this is a decade's long loss for democrats and they're really going to have to figure out not just 2028, but maybe 2032 and all the other elections in between that. so a lot of thinking going on there, chris. >> yamiche, thank you for that. let's just say hindsight is

2020, kamala harris won. joe biden would have been the greatest patriot in the history of the republic, and her campaign staff would have been brilliant. but there is a reality, right, and we have to deal with that reality. you suggest the party needs a complete overhaul. what are we talking about here? >> here's the reality, we have a new era. we need new advisers. >> but what is the new era? >> the new era is that we need to simplify the way we communicate with people. we need to understand that we meet them where they are, not where they think they should be. we should focus on what they do care about and what we can do for them, and communicate those things. i think our consulting class, you have to look at that and figure out whether these people can succeed in this era. i think a lot of these people are clinton era people and otherwise. you may have to reevaluate those things. what we have doesn't work. >> what about, do you think, brendan, this idea that we are

in a new era, it did seem like kamala harris's team was trying to move somewhere new and different. they certainly spent a lot of money, for example, on social media. they had a lot of young people on their staff. what, as you look at it, is the lesson from this loss? >> well, i think it's good that the party is at least grappling. not every party grapples with what happened in the way they should. when we lost in 2012, i was working on the romney campaign, we talked about the things we need to do, outreach to minorities, and we completely ignored all of it. it'll be interesting to see if they take anything from here. >> remember when reince priebus wanted to remake the party. >> we went after mitt romney, and nominated donald trump. i don't think anybody saw that coming. a lot of people think they talk down to them, they're arrogant and they're a party of scolds. that's not inviting.

>> that's not different than 2016, is it? >> it may not b but democrats have lived in an era, it's crazy to be against donald trump for a long time, and that unified them, and unified a lot of people. you didn't have to worry about whether what you were doing was working well. if your identity is against donald trump, that's simple. now that that's gone, i don't think it's gone. they're going to be against donald trump. at least they can recognize, maybe take a look at ourselves, and i don't know how long they're going to be doing that. at least for the moment, they are, and that's good. >> do they need to have a leader or find one quickly. some people say if it turns out that hakeem jeffries becomes the speaker of the house, that puts him in a certain position. if you want to look way ahead to 2028, there are people who may be positioned, governors, gavin newsom, gretchen whitmer, josh shapiro, pete buttigieg is somebody who went on fox a lot, who went into places some other democrats would not go. what does the democratic party do? who do they look to for where this change happens and how?

>> the good news is we have this long bench of talent, and obviously i'm in the tank here, but i think leader jeffries really embodies everything that we stand for as a party, both in terms of fighting for working people, but also working across the aisle when it makes sense. i mean, he's passed a number of bipartisan bills in congress, and i think that speaks to the way he operates. >> how does someone like him up his profile, if that's seriously a potential, how does he up his profile so people look at him and say, oh, yeah, he's somebody i see as a leader. >> he's not interested in upping his profile. he's interested in the work. >> you have to, don't you? >> he's living in the shadow of nancy pelosi who was a good foil for donald trump. he's going to be the minority leader, confident in that. your job is to defeat the majority, and he needs to be aggressive in doing that. he's a talented guy, i think so, chuck schumer, very political animals, and they're going to be going head to head with donald trump. >> no one is asking chuck

schumer to run for president. >> of course not. some people were asking paul ryan to run for president. no one was asking nancy pelosi to run for president. your job is the opposition and your job is to fight it out for congress. i think it's a waste of time to find out the next standard bearer in terms of the presidency, the fight is going to be governing in congress and jeffries and schumer, the spotlight is on them. >> is it also about the infrastructure of the party, they choose to run campaigns. 2026 is going to come very fast. >> sure. we have to think about the way we communicate. in this era, you should be talking about the economy and what you're going to do for people, not about the fight for democracy, or calling donald trump a fascist, no one knows what that word means first of all, let's back up. let's focus on kitchen table pocketbook issues. that is our way back to the majority. that is our way back to the white house. not these other fringe issues we keep talking about that don't mean anything to most americans.

>> one of the most interesting things i read in the last 24 hours is that it was barron who you don't see very often, though he was on the stage the other night with his mom and dad, putting out the push within the campaign to go on these podcasts, these male-dominated podcasts, right, and again, you know, where you go is always critically important, but back to your point, what you say, how you say it, meeting people where you live, ultimately, if we're going to live at methods of delivering the message, none of that matters if it's not the right message. >> kamala harris ran a very good traditional campaign. she did, you know, the right interviews, she did "60 minutes," donald trump went on the podcasts and did appearances and while democrats were saying he's a nazi, he's a fascist, he's having a regular conversation with people. they're saying, he's not a fascist, he's talking about sports on a podcast, how bad can he be.

that's how he takes the edge off. he can say whatever crazy thing he wants to say and on tuesday relate in a way that takes the edge off and it works for him. i don't know that everybody can do that. he's able to talk like a real person. a lot of people saw kamala harris as a politician, and that came back to bite her. >> who on the democratic side can talk like that? >> hakeem jeffrey, and wes moore is incredibly talented and can do this. this is where democrats should be. again, placing tv ads is not an effective way to engage young voters. we should be going on these podcasts and having real conversations, not running through talking points but have a conversation like a human being, like donald trump did. that is the way we should be moving forward here. we should be rethinking the way we communicate in those platforms that we use. >> and i don't want to overstate that donald trump ran a great campaign or was a great candidate. there's a lot of reasons why trump won and harris lost, the economy and all of those things. i think that people look at this

and said, i can relate to him in some weird ways. they can relate to him and harris, they had a hard time seeing past the image of a politician who held different views four years ago, and now i'm supposed she's supposed to hold these views. there's something to learn there. i don't want to overstate he's an ideal candidate. he was a bad candidate in a lot of ways. the relatability is what we see here, one of the most important things in politics, and gets overlooked a lot. >> relatability, but is discipline dead? >> he's got no discipline. >> that's what i'm saying. you had one of the most disciplined presidential candidates, i mean, 107, 108 days is an extraordinary feat to build a campaign, stay on message, although there are people who say in the end she should never have gone back to going after donald trump. she should have stuck to the message. i don't want to, like, look back, but is there a lesson to be had, why didn't the democrats learn that you don't win by

letting donald trump take the lead, allowing him to control the news cycle, or going forward, anybody to control the news cycle. if it turns out j.d. vance is the next leader of the maga movement, he will do what donald trump has done, which is try to control that cycle. day after day. >> yeah, i think democrats need fresh blood. they need more aggressive, diverse, advisers in the rule room. we need state school kids who are incredibly smart, fewer ivy league kids making the decisions. we need people that have lived normal lives that most of us live. that's a good way back. we're doing the work in a lot of ways. we're not communicating in an effective way. >> you know who's communicating, donald trump, can you stay with me, brand new insight from the president-elect, following his election victory. nbc's kristen welker just spoke to him on the phone right now. what did he have to say, kristen? >> this was a short conversation. it lasted about 15 minutes.

it's clear the president-elect feeling quite bullish in the wake of that decisive victory on tuesday night. in terms of the big headline here, we talked about what we believe is his mandate, here's how he described it. he said, quote, it's a mandate to bring common sense back to the country. so i said, okay, so what are you going to do first. he identified making the border safe and secure as his first priority, i then pressed him on what he's long talked about, his mass deportation plan. i said, how are you going to play for it. he said it's not a question of a price tag. it's not really. we have no choice. when people have killed and murdered, when drug lords have destroyed countries and now they're going to go back to those countries because they're not staying here, there is no price tag. that really gives you a sense, i think, chris, of how he is feeling emboldened in the wake of hi big win. we also talked about those phone calls that he had with president biden, with vice president

harris. he said they were both very nice phone calls, both ways, he said. he did say that vice president harris talked about the importance of having a peaceful transition of power. trump saying he agreed with that wholeheartedly. of course that comes four years after january 6th, in which we did see violence at the nation's capitol. again, trump stressing that in that call, the vice president made a point of saying that she wants to see a peaceful transfer of power. i pressed him on what world leaders he's spoken to. he says he believes he's responsibly to about 70. he says the calls keep coming in. >> 70, kristen? >> that's what he said. he said ultimately he's going to release a list of how many world leaders he has spoken to so far. he said he has spoken to president zelenskyy. he's spoken to prime minister netanyahu, i asked if he's spoken to president putin of russia. he has not spoken to president

putin. of course he has spoken a lot about wanting to end the war in 24 hours. >> one of the big conversations is what a biden administration would look like. did you have time to ask him about that, any of the people? there's a lot of speculation about that, even people who have taken themselves out of contention for potential roles in a new administration. did you have a chance to ask him about that? >> great question, chris, i did. i have to caveat this by saying that the conversation ended as i was just getting going with that line of questioning. he did, when i asked him about his chief of staff, he said, well, name some people. what about susie wiles, we're hearing a lot of buzz about susie wiles. he had a lot of praise for susie wiles, saying he likes her very much, that she would be someone he would consider to be a strong choice. i then asked him about about our reporting that is that right tom cotton has taken his name out of contention for joining the administration. he had a lot of praise for tom cotton, as well.

he said, i think he's fantastic. at that point, chris, our conversation wound down, but it is clear he's just starting to think about some of those decisions. >> i know you said it was a brief conversation, but if he's already spoken to 70 leaders, i think 15 minutes is probably more than he's spent with world leaders. good on you, my friend. >> thank you, chris, really appreciate it. >> i know you ran into the chair to give us that information. you just got off the phone. we appreciate it. i want to bring in nbc's keir simmons reporting from dubai, and i know you were able to listen to what kristen just had to say. we understand president zelenskyy, in addition to obviously prime minister netanyahu spoke with trump. give us the context as you see these calls being made? >> reporter: well, you know, let me just pivot off what kristen was saying there. while she was talking to president-elect trump. president putin has been speaking in russia at a summit near sochi, a place called

valdi. and he was asked directly about whether he had spoken to president-elect trump. he said he hadn't, but he said that he would welcome the opportunity to congratulate him, and he said the trouble with these things are that it's translated in realtime. he's speaking in russian. what it sounded like he said, president putin, was that if that president-elect trump picked up the phone before the inauguration, that he would be open to a conversation, to a meeting, maybe to a summit. that's not a literal translation of what he said. we'll need to go back over the russian, if you like, to establish exactly. it does sound as if, kristen, talking to president-elect trump, president putin talking in public saying -- answering the question, would you be prepared to meet with president-elect trump, saying that he would be even maybe before the inauguration, and of course remember it's a long time now since president biden has

been spoken to president putin and the reason for that is because of that illegal invasion of ukraine. many many western leaders stopped speaking to the russian leader after that illegal invasion. what we now have is president-elect trump who plans to stop the fighting in ukraine. president zelenskyy today, just this week, talking about that he -- still talking about his goals, ukraine's goals to effectively win this war, if you like, but i do think, you know, the wheels are turning. the question, of course, though, it's not just about whether -- and it is a whether president-elect trump is able to stop the fighting, whether he's able to persuade effectively two sides to stop fighting, it's also about where that leaves the front line is about where that leaves ukraine. there is reporting about that today in some newspapers, but, i

really actually think we don't know at this stage, what president-elect's trump's transition team proposes what they have in mind. again, president putin, just on publicly, so effectively kind of communicating over the airways, if you like. we have seen this before, haven't we, in the first trump administration, kind of communicating over the air waves, praising president-elect trump. praising his response to his attempted assassination. somewhat advising him not to listen to the deep state as president putin put it. even echoing president-elect trump's, some of his election messaging around women's sports. so quite fulsome comments from president putin now having held back talking too much about the u.s. election. you know, i think this trump-putin relationship that we know so well potentially back

on, if you like. >> keir simmons, always so great to have you on the program. thank you for jumping in after that interview. we have a minute or two. it is interesting if we go back to the domestic front, when asked, the president-elect has said, obviously, day one, he wants to shut down the border and he is determined, he says, they don't want murderers, they don't want drug lords, they don't want gang members, and people have been convinced of a situation that doesn't exist in the kinds of numbers that he suggests it has, but he did very well in messaging fear, frankly, for a lot of that. does he have the mandate he thinks he does? does he have a right to be bullish, to pull off some of the things he's talking about, and let's start with the border. >> there's two big things he's talked about doing. most of which fall under executive authority, tariffs, and this deportation effort, and kristen asked him, are you going to follow through on that.

there's a lot of conversation among, you know, trump skeptical people, is he actually going to go through with this stuff, using it, i think we should assume he's going to do all the things he said he's going to do. we should assume he's going to put in place tariffs that are really expensive and assume he's going to try a deportation effort that we have never seen in our lifetimes. how that works, i don't know. kristen was right to ask how exactly do you do that. the fact that he's committed is not surprising. >> execution is everything. we'll see what he can do here with the tariffs. obviously i think that's a bad idea. it drives the economy off a cliff, in terms of mass deportation, i just don't see how that works. >> michael hardaway, brendan buck, thank you, guys, really great to have you on the show today. before we go on a day when headlines blare about devastating democrats, second guessing, an existential question of whether to exist or just retreat, president biden gave a message today. >> setbacks are unavoidable. but giving up is unforgivable.

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