is the middle east reacting and president benjamin netanyahu reacting? >> yeah, i think it is, kat , so much has changed since 2016, and the saudis have been clear they need a palestinian state before they agree to some normalization with israel and some kind of a security deal which they desperately want with the united states. president netanyahu is openly celebrating the election of trump. the others here in the gulf not authorized to speak on the record are concerned with the next weeks and months when you have a lame duck president biden and what is israel going to do and iran do before president-elect trump becomes president. >> keir simmon, thank you. i know it is late out there in

dubai. thank you for staying up late for us. that is going to do it for us. "deadline white house" coming up next. ♪♪ >> hi, everyone. how are we doing? 4:00 in new york, and it might take a month, a week a year, but for the sake of a more perfect version of ourselves and our country and future, it is still very much present in the hearts and minds of tens of millions of americans, we have to do this thing, the introspection and the self-respect shun and the internal of it of exactly what went wrong and it has to start now, no matter how painful that process may be for us, there is an urgent need for us as we speak to transform and to be relentlessly curious for country and our neighbors who voted for donald trump and to get closer to the reality and not far from

it, and the apathy and disengagement as counter productive and to be unwaivering in our commitment to better understand why exactly bipartisan urgent messages about preserving democracy, demanding decency and protecting women didn't prove persuasive to enough people tuesday. this morning in front of his assembled cabinet and others in the rose garden still occupied by president joe biden he shared this message with the american people. listen. >> setbacks are unavoidable, but giving up is unforgivable. setbacks are unavoidable, but giving sup unforgivable. we all get knocked down, but the measure of our character as my dad would say is how quickly we get back up. remember, a defeat does not mean we are defeated. we lost this battle. the america of your dreams is

calling for you to get back up. that's the story of america for over 240 years and counting. it is a story for all of us, and not just some of us. the american experiment endures. we are going to be okay, but we need to stay engaged. we need to keep going. and above all, we need to keep the faith. >> setbacks are unavoidable. and this is the important part, giving up is unforgivable, and with that mandate from president joe biden in mind that pro democracy forces must today begin a vital longer term project, and that is not to change any of the values held so dear by so many, but to find a better way to communicate them, and to persuade more americans justifiably feeling like they have to choose between the two. people justifiably more concerned with the cost of

everything like their next car payment or rent payment or groceries or day care or whether or not they can really swing that trip to disneyland they promised the kids or hope to. perhaps it does start an end with just this, how we talk about and communicate and feel people's deep anxiety about our economy. according to the washington post, quote, 2/3 of the voters rated the economy as not so good or poor according to 1/3 who rated it good or not so good. and those who rated the economy not so good, 69% of them voted for donald trump. and make no mistake, kamala harris was running on a strong economy and she had plans to ik -- make it better and she talked about it in every one of her public appearances, but there was a breakdown and the

american people said they preferred and some of them with no such plan and musings of some day having a plan or promises of making things better, and someone whose own running mate at once called him america's hitler. that is who they chose. so the urgent work today and tomorrow and for however long it takes for democrats and anyone who is welcomed inside of the pro democracy tent to do this work of however painful it may be, and however much we'd rather binge our favorite network shows, this is what has to start today for the sake of our kids, and the sake of their kids, it is time to get to work. no one better to start this conversation with than some of our favorite experts and friends and political strategist and cnbc strategist, and cnbc analyst steph ruhle and our

republican strategist and analyst matt, and i want to have my dad with us, as well, and i wanted to talk about a conversation when you, and two-parts kerry mathison and you one part cracked the code to accurately predict how '04 would end, and i feel like you cracked the code tuesday night, and explain it to the viewers. >> well, thank you, nicole. this is a process that is for everybody who is going through, and i think that the way we have to look at this is to understand what happened before we can actually really talk about it clearly and what went on in the course of this. i'd like to say first that democracy worked tuesday and may not have gotten the results, but 50 states got the results that people voted and votes are

counted, and democracy works. even though the results are dissatisfactory for a lot of people. and it caught a lot of u because we assumed because of the donald trump disliked by a majority of people and distrust bade majority of the people, and was seens extreme by a majority of people that it would rule the day, and on election day, that is what happened. a majority of the people who came to the polls disliked him. and on election day, a majority of the people thought he was too extreme, and on election day, a majority of the people did not trust him, but on election day, according to the latest nbc exit polls, joe biden's approval rating was 40%, and net minus 18 approval rating. every other president who has run for reelection in modern

times ends up on election day with the same number they have in approval. so barack obama in 2012 had 51% approval and got 51% of the vote. and in 2004, george w. bush had 51% of the approval and got 51% of the vote, and when jimmy carter lost, he had 41% of the approval, and got 41% of the vote. and think of when herbert walker bush ran against michael dukakis, and ronald reagan's approval was 53%, and george herbert walker's bush was 53%. so to start the show, the expectation would be that the candidate for the president by the democrats or the vice president would get around 40 or 41% of the vote. the vice president harris is going to end up with 48% of the

vote which means for the first time in modern history she is going to outrun the incumbent president's approval by eight points which has never happened at all. so one thing that we have to understand with that case you look at the geography and the mapography and say what happened, the most predictive result or factor of how people voted no matter who they were, it was the approval of the president, president biden. so for me, when you look at, this and the interesting thing is in the seven swing states, the vice president ran four points better than she did in all of the other states when you are looking at where donald trump gained. he gained seven points, donald trump gained seven points in the 43 states and not the swing states which means her campaign worked, but it could not overcome the weight and anchor

of joe biden's approval number. and we might argue with whether the voters should or should not, but if you are a voter out there trying to make a decision, and they can't pay the rent and the groceries are too expensive and they don't know what to do about the health care or the day care, and they have all of those things, and they are told, forget about all of that, and quote, unquote on behalf of democracy and what we think as individuals blessed in our lives that we are overcome that, and we can be able to do that, most people in their lives have to focus on just what is in right of them in the feeding of their children and the care of otheir parents and all of that, and so that is fundamentals, and the perception of the economy which then moves into the perception of the incumbent president means that vice president harris actually way overperformed what you would expect. >> i mean, steph, that is sort of a data point and a structural

way of understanding that what we were watching, this campaign run by some of the most respected people in politics in either party was a real feat. it also leaves on the table, and i have been on both sides of this, and the campaign with mccain and obama would have won under any circumstances but george bush made the approval rating that made it impossible for a person of his party not to have prevailed, but it is true, too, that the perception of the economy under biden is what provided the greatest weight to his approval rating, and the largest factor that drove it to the low numbers, and why is that so different from the actual reality of the economy? >> because the fact of the matter is that we came out of the darkest hole which is covid. we then experienced the biggest

inflation spike that most of us in our entire lives and i can sit here all day with the accurate data that talks about the wages and the income, and when i have more income, i credit myself. and when we have the best economic recovery, which we did, and when president biden tried to out the it with the bidenomics, everybody flipped, because they said, how can you say that, because mortgage and food, and try to go on vacation, and so you have scores of people across the country who are not jumping on board to be on team maga and they don't hate kamala harris, but they are saying my life costs too much money, and i have never experienced this kind of inflation in my life, and who is the person in office? it is joseph r. biden and this

is not unique to the united states, but we saw it in practically every election in developed countries where the countries said why is life costing this much? well, we are coming out of the covid hole, and this is where we are, and that is where we find ourselves today. >> what did you say? >> you are right. >> what did you say? >> you are right. >> i just wanted to hear that again. [ laughter ] >> weare all a little raw. >> you are safe. >> and let's celebrate steph being right in politics. and i think that democrats need a little boost in the arm right now. and winning does not make you are right and losing does not make you wrong. >> thank you. can we stop right there. and i think that i told this story yesterday and i can't remember anymore what happens on tv and in the breaks. when we won in '04 we went to

wherever you go to talk about it, and my dad was the smartest pollster ever, and we won by the size of the noodle, and if we lost he was dumb as, and it is never that simple. >> and give nicole and i the participation trophies. >> right. >> and with the democrats of course, they will talk about it, but just before you lost the race, it does not make your values wrong, and it does not -- >> or the candidate. >> and it does not mean that you have to reconsider your values, and steph and i talked about this last night, the now minority political coalition is as strong as it has been 48 or 49% of the country and it is not like it got wiped out. i know this, that i spent the last year visiting with democratic clubs in florida and i know this as a former republican visiting with the democratic clubs in florida, the values of the democratic party

are the values to take us forward and they protect individual liberty and economy for people, and they are the values that represent fairness in our economy and culture and they are the values that lift everybody up. that is not the republican party, and this introspection of what did we do wrong is a procedural and tactical question, and not value-based question. so democrats need to be as proud as their values as they were yesterday. and it is true that biden's numbers were upside down, but the issue may have been that across the globe in developed countries this anti-incumbent wave in a post pandemic economy, and what we learned is among all of issues, and we knew this might be the case, and i think that we were some of us trying to convince ourselves more important issue, and what we learned tuesday night is the most important issue to people is that they could have

negotiated away some of donald trump's fitness, and the reality is that over the last eight year, republicans better spoke to the economic anxieties of middle america than democrats did, but it does not mean that the democrats are not right on the issues, and so i don't, and again, we talked about this last night, the i don't think overcorrection of democrats is in order, but keep doing what you are doing, and find a better way to be effective at it. >> i don't want to stop without saying that donald trump doesn't promise anything to help. p the -- the economy, and matt dowd, talk about what he played on "the apprentice" and the cost of things if his tariffs become policy. >> nicole, it is important, and i agree with everything that was said, and stephanie said it beautifully and david said it well and correctly and all of this.

i think that we have to understand that there is a bunch of voters on election day that knew all about donald trump. they didn't like him. they didn't trust him, and they didn't believe he had a plan, but he wasn't the incumbent, and in an environment that they basically knew this, and i think that with trepidation they voted for him, because i think they understand it, but with trepidation, and they have been suffering in their lives and can't afford what they used to afford and all of that. and so, i mean, the only, and i agree with david that there is not a need of overcorrection, but a need of better understanding of this, but i also think that communication has to start with humility. for all of us. for candidates and everybody. it has to start with humility. i think that there is a lot of voters out there, especially non-college non-educated voters who feel at times lectured to

and at times being told how you should feel about this or you should feel this way about the economy and they want to come to their own feelings, and we may think they are wrong or right or whatever it is, it is their feelings, and it is like any relationship that we have all been involved in, and when you tell somebody how they should feel, it never goes well in this. so i think that presenting information, and giving people it in a humble way, and here is the situation, and all of this idea that harris could have done x-y-z or they should have done this or that or been on joe rogan is all b.s. the fact that she ran as good of a campaign in this environment as she could have. my theory or my thought is that if joe biden's job approval rating was at 44%, vice president would be president-elect harris. if his job approval was in the

mid-40s, the kind of campaign she ran here, and the question i think and we won't know an answer to it, but was it baked in two to three years ago when joe biden decided not to be the transition president, and decided to run for re-election, and once that decision was made that no matter what happened turned out and happened 110 days ago and i think that vice president harris was put in an untenable box that she could not get out of at that moment, and she did the best she can, and she overexceeded expectations by seven or eight point, but once that decision was made, was this election no matter what was made or said about donald trump pretty much baked in. >> it is the question that people will write books about for not just years, but decades, the 100 days in thesummer of 2024. there is so much more. i will have you stay around

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hi. victoria guida with politico. some advisers have suggested that you should resign, and if he asked you the leave, would you go? >> no. >> would you follow-up on -- and legally, you are not requireded to leave? >> no. >> and the other question is, to follow-up on victoria's question, do you believe that the president has the power to fire you or demote you or determine the legality of the -- >> not permitted under the law. >> excuse me? >> not permitted under the law. >> it could be the first test of his total immunity that he is clearly eager to take out for a little walk. clearly not permitted under the law. that is to me interesting as the defiance. >> but isn't it extraordinary that this could be the first

showdown, because jay powell has done an extraordinary thing in how he has landed this plane and avoided a recession, and actually led us through this economic recovery, because if you are the fed, you don't actually have that many tools, right? you can raise or lower the interest rates, but donald trump wants to take ownership and possession of the fed, and see what happens, because make no mistake, we will get an immediate economic high, and it is like the stock market, and it is like when your parents go out, and the bar is open, and they will get rid of the s.e.c. chair, and that is going to be great for the crypto business, and leena khan, and this is going to be great for the -- >> can i stop you for a second. nobody voted for trump, because chicken is $11 for four breasts knows that this is totally

broken. >> well, you can see the animal spirits have been released, and we will be pro-business. joe biden was not anti-business, and the idea that he is anti-business is not true, and talk to any fortune 500 company where they stock was four years ago and today, and however, we will see the exuberance and excitement that there would be in any place when there is no rules which is what we are about to get until something happens, and until there is a blowup, and that could be the next chance of the democrats to say, but who knows. >> this one of the quiet issues that keeps me up at night, and this is what i am worried about for a year. i am worried that donald trump is going to try to crush the independence of the fed. one thing that donald trump understands is cheap money and good deals. and his good deals are either cheap money or he does not have to pay the money back. what he is going to do to powell is what he did to anthony fauci, and steve bannon said they would

do it, and powell is right, the law does not allow him to do that and so what does he do? he nominates a chair in waiting that sits there for a calendar for a year and becomes a close economic adviser to him. and good for powell to say that you cannot do that, but the worry is how it unsettles the market and world market to have donald trump trying to wrest control of the independent body. >> and you can see it, because powell would cut rates, and you would immediately see the mortgage rates going down, but the market is going to anticipate donald trump cutting the rates, and it is going to balloon for us, but when you talk about that, that is long-term problems that cripple us, and we live in the short-term issue, and we have a

long-term problem. >> but what about the rubber stamp of what donald trump wants? >> he does not have the authority to change the fed unless there is a legislative change, and i don't know what the senate republicans do with this, and to steph's point, here is the republican magic when it comes to the economy, when they are in control they run at white hot with all of the irresponsibility of the world and crash it and hand it over to the democrats to rebuild it. donald trump knows that, and he knows that there is a latency to this, and it will be white hot and it will be a heroin high, and people will use it, and then there is going to be a comeback for the democrats, and it will be when the democrats walk right into it after the crisis is created by donald trump. >> and in politics, you try to fluff an economy that you try to

do that, but it is a great economy. >> well, nicole, it is partially a communications problem, but once people settle in on a feeling and settle in when inflation is really bad and they didn't like it, and it is not like the prices went down, but they stabilize and they did not rise as fast. so, it is very, very difficult to communicate that we have a great economy, and oh, by the way, the economy is doing so much better than everybody else in the world when people sort of get settled into the idea that i am paying so much more money, i don't care what is happening in france or britain or germany and we have so many more jobs created that i can't pay my rent next month, and all of those things it is difficult to communicate through, and biden and the administration did poorly, and they did not help at

all and they hurt themselves with the bidenomics that was rolled out in the midst of inflation, and telling people how they should feel when they were feeling a separate way in the course of this. i just think that these solid things, it is very difficult for national candidates, national candidates to communicate themselves out of it. to me, one of the most hopeful interesting things, and we saw it in 2022 is that the ability of good candidates locally and at the state level and even for the united states senate to communicate, and good candidates to communicate through the hard time against bad candidates. and democrats were actually astoundingly successful, because anymore mall election, donald trump should have won in a landslide and the senate should be 68 or 69 republican, and you would not have democrats win in all of the places they won, and we saw nit 2022, and it fwhouzt

-- it was not a great environment, but in wisconsin, pennsylvania, arizona, and throughout the sort of states did well, because they were sort of attached and they were seen as, oh, they represent michigan or wisconsin and they are separate from the national level. that is something that democrats ought to take real heart from is through the bad environment not only did the vice president exceed expectations, but all of the candidates survived and win in such a horrible environment, they are more in sync with the local politics than the national candidates are. >> can i ask you this, nicole. >> oh, okay. >> and kamala harris had a plan for small businesses and a $25,000 or $50,000 whatever, and think of the businesses who don't pay attention to the news and not political, and the care economy and so many theory care and want, and low wage jobs

should pay more, and if you sat down with the restaurant owner, i am struggling, because i have to pay the dishwasher $17 an hour, and i can't pay the hours and i have to give them paternity and maternity leave and it is the right thing to do because it is right, but when you put it in play, and they say my margins are so small, and i can't afford the pay it, and does the government want to pay it? and there are those who say i am not a super mag, and i want to be more inclusive, but i cannot afford my corporations, but it is not just these big ones, but it is the little ones, and how does she explain that or campaign to the small business owners. >> i don't know what the post covid data is, because they are the largest employers in the country, and what we looked at

is small businesses are driven to small business, and joe plumber emerged in the 2000s because he was living with the angst and the pain and all of the messaging in a campaign that is effective, but just to come back to what matt dowd said, it is that, and it is the trauma of covid, and the trauma of pouring your whole life savings and not just your money, but the life and soul into a business that you built and because of the pandemic, it is wiped away, and you don't want anything to wipe it away, and because of the character that donald trump played on a tv show, he saw this thing that was wiped out or nearly wiped out. >> but he can't lower the price of beer or napkin at your tavern. >> of course not. and stick around for the hour, and the democrats do this, and these are the conversations

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competence over chaos. decency over division. that's who we are as north carolinians, and i am so honored that you have elected me to be your next governor. >> that will become a familiar face, a rising star in the democratic party, and that is democratic north carolina governor-elect josh stein tuesday night, and if you are looking for a bright spot, that is a good state to start. donald trump carried north carolina by a little over three points, and governor-elect stein defeated the self-described quote black nazi, end quote, and porn message enthusiast mark roberts by 14 points, and the attorney general and secretary of state were also

democratically held. and joining us is the chair of the democratic party, and we should say to your face what we say behind your back is that you are a bright spot and not a rising star, but a super star in the democratic party, and tell us what worked? >> well, thank you for that, but i have to give credit to the people on the ground, and especially the candidates, because we have phenomenal people who step up to run for office. we truly believe that the success that the north carolina democrats had is because of the people on the ballot, and people like mo green who ran against cheryl marrow for superintendent of schools, and other extreme republicans that were up and down the ballot in north carolina, and also to your point, we saw in the state legislature from people like dante pittman and beth khan who helped to break the super

majority in the statehouse to give josh stein that veto power that we need to see next year. >> and harrison, the state was a hot bed for what is normal in the trump era, disinformation in a hour of crisis in life and death in the time of the hurricane, and what did you learn of what worked in terms of getting the facts in front of the people who live there and people who were impacted. >> just the face-to-face to those who are on the ground, and credit to lindsay krater who was there to help us break the majority in the statehouse, but after hurricane helene hit. she and her campaign team led by brandon hips, a young north carolinian who was helping with constituency outreach, and mutual aid, and that is what the democrats are going to have to

do going into 2025 and the constituency services to people across the state who have been sowed this untruth about the republicans about government that is not helpful to them, and that government is not working for them, and when people see that government can help them, and they are empowered to vote for people who are in office and that what we saw for people in northern and western north carolina, too. >> when you talk to the 14 to 70% of the people in the state who voted for a democrat in governor and republican for president, what do you understand about the split ticket vote? >> well, it is not a trend that is uncommon in north carolina. i think that historically, our state has always managed to go from the federal level for a republican candidate and the statewide level a democratic candidate at least at the executive level, but it also says that we have to recruit candidates that represent the values of people throughout our

districts. you know, i don't necessarily have the questions for them, but more so, i have the aggressive approach to go after voters everywhere across north carolina and even more in 2025, because to your point, disinformation hurt us. what we saw at the national level was an aggressive disinformation campaign against vice president kamala harris, and you won't have the same effect at the statewide level or local level for the races just yet, but they are growing, and what our party has to do to get on the defense about going forward is to make sure that we have established parties in every community out there actively telling the truth about what democrats are doing in positions of power and maintaining the grass roots approach to this party and how we campaign in communities again. >> and david dalian, in the spirit of humility that david dowd talked about, and she was

not able to brag on what she was doing there, but donald trump did go to north carolina four times in the last two days of the election. >> sure. >> it is something that he campaigned on aggressively than four to eight years ago. >> sure. >> i wonder what can be learned about what works and what chips away at trump's hold on some of the states. >> yeah, i am fascinated of north carolina, because it is a fascinated hot bed here of the democratic success. and so donald trump rushes to north carolina and georgia at the end, because he is afraid to lose them, and i know that anderson referred to them, but he wins north carolina and florida by four points roughly and in this cycle, but the democrats elect roy cooper in 2020 and stein in 2024, and you can't chalk that up to mark robinson being a terrible candidate. >> right, he was not on the

ballot. >> how do they do that? and so it is wrestling with the steering and this is where the north carolina democratic party is so remarkable. there is a growing theory that i subscribe to it is that all politics is national, and if you are running for county commission, city mayor or state governor or whatever, it is not informed by the local politics, but the rd brand, and north carolina is one state where voters stand up to say, hey, for the politics who make decisions closer to home, i want the democrats to make those decision, and it is a testament to the candidates and a model to be studied country-wide for the next election cycle. >> and we can start asking questions to be smarter. i need you both to stick around so we can continue this questioning on the other side of the break. don't go anywhere. don't go any.

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campaigns in my home county persons we have a democrat who is on the commission, and thanks to daniel patterson who helped to lead the campaign this year, and we have so many bright spots from young people who i have seen, and honestly after tuesday was devastating for all of us in every shape and form for what it did to the country and the future that we are looking for right now, but i had so many young people reach out to me to give me the push to say, no, we have this and we have more resolve than ever to keep fighting and going for the municipals in north carolina and 2026 for the senate race and the congressional race and supreme court race then, and young people are looking for the long gain, and that is what this vice president has allowed to us do. >> and you look at where dobbs, where the trump he appointed justices who overturned row v. wade will have the agreeders impact, it is among young men

and women, young families, young couple,s where being pregnant could not be a death sentence. the stories just started reporting on in the final weeks of campaign. propublica did the reporting, but the bans are in place. the danger persists. i wonder how you think this issue will activate young men and women. >> all ages support a rho case -- i think there's a latency, the aknock dos at cases have really not hit home to the residents of the state of florida. and when i referred earlier, it might take a crisis that donald trump creates before democrats see the opportunity to reemerge, it would be a right around

reproductive freed ohm. the smile on anderson's face also speaks to the optimism of not just this generation, but today's democratic party. i would go back to how we started this. the values of today's democratic party, from reproductive freedom to an economy for all people, protecting american interests across the globe, those are the values that will protect our country going forward. just because republicans won doesn't -- >> but they won everything -- >> well, listen, it's -- it was a command been win. it was a commanding win, but it wasn't a landslide. yes, donald trump won the popular won, won the seven swing states. they now have an arguable mandate in washington, but it's short term. it will come across american values in a way that democrats can stand up and protect.

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department leadership. every single aide you will walk out within hours. i don't know what happens after that. i said, mr. president, one 24, 48, 72 hours you could have hundreds and hundreds of resignation of in the leadership of your entire justice department because of your actions. what's that going to say about you? >> that's what happened last time. his again, everybody. that's what happened when donald trump wanted to install coup enthusiast jeffrey clarke at the top of dodge last time he was president. that conversation, as told under oath, is what ensued. our institutions and those who worked in them were able to prevent donald trump from following through with what he wanted to see, which was driven by his worst impulses. now, with trump said to return to our white house to be president again, the open

question being watched the world other -- over, will one man threaten, quote, the entire department leadership and hundreds of others will walk out? will he be restrained by anyone like that? will he abide by the rule of law, and people like mr. donohue, who were more committed to uphow woulding the rule of law than donald trump. as we've heard from donald trump and himself and his allies, donald trump plans to installed more loyal people and more of them in every corner of the federal government in his next administration. he has paid special attention and zeroed in on the department of justice, as something he can specifically weaponize. he has said it out in the open, that he wants to use the department of justice to go after, to prosecutor and to punish his enemies. according to project 2025, an independent department of justice is no more.

it's gone, we won't have that. again, they write that the justice department in the next administration should do this, quote -- issue guidance to ensure that litigation decisions are consistent with the president's agenda and the rule of law, end quote. there's the supreme court, a usual check on the executive branch which this summer showed it believes that this president is immune from prosecution for all official acts. special counsel jack smith, for the past year and a half has investigated and then indict the ex-president over his role on january 6th and his mishandling of classified documents, including national defense information, is moving to wind down both of those federal cases before they ever seen the inside of a courtroom. "new york times" reports -- trump's success in using the campaign as a protective shield has no parallel in political or legal history, and highlights

how politics and justice have become uncomfortably enter twined. . an degree wiseman is here, and author an applebaum is here. andrew, your thoughts on any and all of this? >> well, i think that you're absolutely right to highlight this. we do have what happened in the first presidency, in terms of the rule of law, and i think there's no reason to think that it's going to be any better. i should note, just to tie this into civil cases where the president in a normal private civil case, for instance, the one brought against rudy giuliani, does not have direct authority. it's not part of the department

of justice, but he could weaponize the department of justice against the plaintiffs. he could weaponize them against the lawyers. he could weaponize the department of justice against people like letitia james, who has brought a successful civil suit. there's many ways even in the civil realm. but in the criminal realm, we're already seeing it with a drumbeat of going after people like liz cheney, where there's no factual predicate for it, but the white house does have control over the department of justice. i should note, though, on the good news side is at the end of the day grand juries are involved, judges are involved. when i think about this about liz cheney, in many ways, does donald trump really want a case involving january 6 in a criminal courtroom? he's been fighting that for years and going after liz cheney is only going to result in the

revelation of damning facts. so some of this, i think is something to really worry about, and some of this is something that may be sabre -- saber rattling, and so people toe the line and don't exercise their first amendment rights in the way they should be. >> andrew, i'm going to ask you some questions that, you know, put you on the spot. if i don't want to answer them, i will and. donald trump has never gotten over the cloud that hung over his presidency because of the mueller investigation. that was put in motion by serious questions of a russian attack on the 2016 election. the original concerns were whether the campaign wittingly or unwittingly, there was a prumpt they didn't even know about that.

much that was toughed that was fired, or ought did i the by the i.r.s., people you know women. jim comey, andrew mccabe. the list is lengthy. none of that will happen if there's a question about a foreign adversary does and it touches donald trump. there's no mechanism if he controls the department of justice -- he probably will never be impeached again, and the supreme court has given him absolute immunity. with that articulated, let me just play what he plans to do with all that power. >> what they have done is they've released the genie out of the box. you know, when you're president and you've done a good job and you're popular, you don't go after them so you can win an election. they have done indictments to win an election. they dahl weaponization.

the people won't stand for it. yeah, they have done something that allows the next party -- if i happen to be president and i see somebody who is doing well beating me badly, i say, go down and indict them, mostly -- you know, they would be out of business, out of the election. >> just a little incoherent, but saying out loud he plans to use the department as he seeing fit to go out and get them. what should the country be prepared for? what could the doj be prepared to asked to do at his direction? >> first of all, for the people at the department of justice. their oath of office is going to be what has to guide them, but you're right to point out that one of the plans is to politicize the leadership, and if foul ball, they're talking about actually having that be the career people would also be

replaced. so that you won't have the people who will simply refuse to take action based on their oath of office, as we saw in connection with the effort to overthrow the will of the people that culminated in january 6th. i think one of the mistakes that people do make from this election, even with the results in terms of what's happened in congress and the presidency is for the people taking power to thing that it's a mandate for the policies that they're advocating, and it really is, i think, a risk of them going way too far and over-reading the results of what happened. you can see that, for instance, just in terms of reproductive rights, but i think it's

probably true in other ways, where you could end up with the incoming administration really going down the autocratic route that ann has written about so contingently, and alienating many of the people who were voting for trump for other reasons, but were not actually embodying his policies. with the department of justice, it may not be the top of everyone's mind. obviously for people like me, for lawyers, for people who have been in the department, i view it as a cornerstone of our democracy, and it's something that autocratic regimes, one of the first things you go after to be able to take sort of, you know, exclusive and reclusive authority, and chill any opposition to what you're doing.

i think there is heightened risk here in over-reading the results of the election. >> ann, we know from reporting he tried, in the first term even with people like mr. donahue, andrew mccabe, andrew and others, he sought to weaponize it against john kerry, against hillary clinton, again jim comey. he used the i.r.s. to aggressively audit other adversaries. one of the his first calls as president-elect has been with viktor orban. >> first we have to look hard at the use of the word "guardrail." we use it as a physical thing to constraint anybody in power or prevent them from do bad things.

guardrails are often people. if you are able to change the people -- and in the case of trump, obviously he gets to decide who runs all of his departments, but he's also spoken and the project 2025 thinking of changing civil service oathing, people who take oaths to the constitution and rule of law, not to a particular president. he would then, by doing so, remove the obstacle within the institution of him doing things that are illegal, or any way not in the spirit of the constitution. look, viktor orban, with the previous polish government now voted out, have set a standard of seeking to politicize justice in their countries. their political systems are different, their legal systems are different, so it's not exactly the same system, but they understood from the beginning, if they control the courts, if they control the

league system, not only can they do what you've just been talking about, in other words, direct the law at people they don't like, who haven't necessarily broken the law themselves. you can harass people, you can waste their time, you can silence them and scare them by using the law against them in that way, but they also protect themselves. one of the primary features of failing democracies or liberal democracies, or hybrid autocracies, there are different terms for it, is very often systems in which the actors in the state and the ruling party or rule elite begin to try to use the state for their own purposes. they usually for corrupt purposes. because they control the legal systems, they themselves are she'ded. they have eliminated snippers generals, they weaken the media, so on, and also the courts will not condemn them. if they break the law, nobody

will hold them to account. i think there's two pieces to the story. one piece is about possible repression, possible harassment. the other people is about how they protect themselves if they begin to abuse power, or the people working for them do. what is the first thing we'll be watching for, ann, to gain house close we are moving to one of those hybrids? >> i would look at what happens to civil servants, how they're treated. i would look at what kinds of people are put in charge of all kinds of department, not just the justice department, but all kinds of regulatory agencies, are those people going to serve the american people, and they're in charge of the energy department to make sure our nuclear storage sites are safe, and carried out the other things the energy department is supposed to do, oar is there a possibility those are people that will use the resources of the department for themselves or

their companies or their friends? i would start looking across the board, actually, at what happens to the institutions of the state, what autocrats do is they seek to capture the state, so pieces of the government that should belong to everybody, that are designed to, i don't know, make or wear cleaner or air cleaner, or make or roads safer. when people capture institutionsing like that, staff them with loyalists and direct their resources for political reasons or private reasons in other way es, that's a sign that could alarm us. andrew, nbc is reporting this today about doj moving to wind down the trump criminal cases. sources said it will be up to jack smith to decide exactly to you to unwine the charges if anything questions remain unanswered, could the prosecution resumed, or time barred? what happens to the other

defendants that were charged with hiding documents. what happens to the depositions of mike pence? what happens to all the evidence about moving the boxes around, flooding the pool? where does that exist? and what happens to it? >> well, to answer the question about the evidence, i can give you one strategy that i have written about in the mueller investigation, because we were concerned about at any moments suffering the fate of what happened during the watergate years, where there was the saturday night massacre, and our office just being disbanded. we kept meticulous records. that was within the department of justice. so there was a concern whether they would remain there if we were not there, son of to anne's point, personnel matters. one of the things we did is we

made very extensive filings and submissions to the court, and so lots of our exhibits, lots of what we were doing was documented with the chief judge in d.c., and with the other judges who had the cases, so that that was in a separate branch of government. that's one way to preserve that type of evidence. i should note that in fact in d.c., that kind of submission, though it's largely redacted, that kind of submission we know was made by jack myth in connection with a pending motion before judge chutkan, so that's one strategy to do that. but, the actual prosecutions because of the doj policy that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted, i would fully expect that jack smith will in some way seek to have the prosecutions as

of course, that doesn't bind donald trump, once he takes office from trying to make sure those cases go away with prejudice, but, you know, we could certainly expect for the next four years there would not be federal cases against donald trump. >> anne, what are your source around the world say about just the spectacle of all of this, an american ex-president running for his fremont dom and winning, and not standing accountable for the rule of law in our country? >> people are pretty astounded, especially in countries that have experienced authoritarianism and have escaped from it. in poland where there was an election last year, that threw a populist party out of the power and trying to piece together the systems ever since. it's hard to explain to them why

americans would knowingly choose to elect somebody who had broken the law, and spoken publicly all through the campaign repeatedly about wanting to use the law political. anybody who's lift in a society where that's been the case, finds it different to understand, but americans haven't lived in that kind of society, at least not in modern times, and not certainly at the federal level. you could point to some state legal systems that were very flawed in the past and judicial systems. at that level, we haven't experienced it. we don't know what it's like. it probably seems far away to other people. another thing we learned in a number of autocratic countries, judicial independence is a big word that doesn't move people very much. it doesn't seem to mean anything. it's only when it begins to be translated into cases or decisions that affect ordinary people that people come to learn

why it matters, why it's important. it may be a long time before we get a reaction, before people understand why it's bad that the legal system, or the department of justice is weaponized, or politicized, rather, in this ways. andrew weissmann, and anne applebaum, a sober but important conversation. thank you for starting us off with it. if america is lurches something more towards authoritarianism, it's worth listening to people who have survived those regimes. maria ressa will join us after a quick break. with donald trump promising to all of our health, especially the womenfolk, over to robert f. kennedy, jr., the prospect of having a world-famous anti-saks

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customink.com. call or go online to as we listen to our fellow americans and how they voted tuesday night and start to process what that means and look ahead and try to brace ourselves for what anne and andrew were talking about, the weeks and months ahead, it's important to remember we have agency, we have tools at our disposal, if we like the democratic things about our democracy, we can lean on

and learn from the wisdom of brave people all over the world, who have face the inflection points, like this one. one of those people is maria ressa, a global champion for truth, a winner for the nobel peace prize in 2021. she's dedicated her life to exposing government corruption and fighting disinformation. on tim -- like tim snider's on tirr anyone, her book "how to stand of to a dictator" is a user's guide to moments like this. we went back to remind ourselves what maria told us back in april when she was at this table with us. it was a conversation filled with truth bombs that you might find useful today. >> there were studies that showed up to 80% to 85% of how we vote is not based on what we think, based on how we feel.

>> gus. >> it's a fact, but that -- the second part of that is if you lace it with fear, anger and hate, it spreads even faster. we're in an upsidedown world, but i think it's possible to turn it right side up. i always say if you have 100 people in their world and they each have their personal reality, that's not a room, that's an insane asylum. >> i want to ask if it's as tectonic as it feels. >> we still live in the same shared reality in the real world, which means there is hope. there is hope. maria ressa joins us now. she was awarded the nobel peace prize in 2021, a board member of the committee to protect

journalists, which i think is something we haven't thought about needing ourselves. i remember when donald trump first won the publisher of "new york times" went to the white house and implored him to stop calling journalists the enemy of the people, not for anyone here in america, but because of the implications around the world. just taking what trump has said publicly, his public descriptions as journalists as enemies of the people, and it can feel like a scary moment for a free press. >> not just a scary moment. this is a back to the future for us in the philippines when president trump at that point said that enemies of the people, we heard the exact same thing from president due tarte. for example, trump -- he was

talking about, you have to shoot the fake news, shoot the journalist first. that duterte had said in different words. he talked about taking away franchises from broadcasters. well, duterte did that to the largest broadcaster in the philippines. yeah, the mic you know what he did with the mic? on duterte did it in 2016. it was shocking to see this all over again and to see it work, right? the same threats. i think the hard part for journalists in particular is that you're going -- american journalists will have to brace themselves. "new york times" said this in an ad -- he said this, believe him." we didn't believe buterte, when he said i'm going to kill people if you elect me.

he did. he admits it. >> what is that part of the human mind? a lot of families have people that voted for trump, when you say how can you vote for someone, he's not going to do that. what is the piece of the human mind that makes you not believe the parts that are so offensive to you, but do believe the parts that speak to you? >> it's a failure of imagination, and it's martina mueller's quote -- as long as it doesn't affect you, you stay quiet. what if it's a son or daughter that's a journalist? >> i'll give you an example. my parents lived in florida -- i rod this in the book, they gave me the book, they gave me permission to say -- they voted for trump. they disliked duterte. it's very personal. under obama care, that are

medicals went up. there is a reason you needed to pay. leaders could not explain anymore. you can't hear, because our public information ecosystem, social media, big tech has designed a system that literally pulls us apart. it becomes hard to pull people who are personally angry at something that's affected them. the people who suffered in the hurricanes, when the disinformation hit them that the government is on purpose, not giving them help, not true, but they believe it's true. how did they vote? simultaneously, what used to bring democracy together is that you can sacrifice for the greater good. there is no sacrifice for the greater good, if you're only focused on you. the other part, if you look at the demographics of the way it's -- this is the first time, i mean trump, now

president-elect trump won the popular vote, right? we've actually -- that reminded me of the former kgb yuri andropov, he sis disinformation is like cocaine. you take it once or twice, it's okay. if you take it all the time, you become a changed man. we've been on social media deliberately, like a drug, mildly addictive. we've been on this for eight year, minimum. we have changed. if you think about it, another book, dan arielli wrote "misbelief." how do smart people believe such outrageous things? >> how do people with a human connection believe something that isn't real?

>> very easy. the four ways. first is emotions. you feel it -- fear, anger and hate are the ones that pushes you push us. it spreads faster on social media. it's designed that way, but if you're hating somebody, you're not listening to them. you're imposing. the second is, if you've already taken a position, you've been pushed to a position, your own -- what's the right word? it's the psychology of looking for verification of what you've already decided, right? >> that's where you find it online from the anonymous? >> and the third would be your own personality type. these are the four things that are simultaneously working in us as human beings that dan arielli had identified. there are personality types that are more prone to believe certainly things, like conspiracy theories. finally the fourth one is, when

you're with a crowd, when you're with a grew, that's socialization is incredibly important, and now those -- the crazy parts are always with a group. in fact, if you look at the way a youtube -- this is in brazil, right? we're now seeing it in the united states, but in brazil bolsonaro was a far-right fringe figure, but the recommendation engine clustered him with every sing the conspiracy theory -- the algorithm. >> moved him to the center, media picked him up. he became president. >> my god, i have a million questions for how we get through this. will you stay? >> yes. we'll be right back. will you stay? >> yes. we'll be right back.

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maria, i have this -- as a human, i deleted twitter today as an act of self-preservation, because i was no longer able to find the things i was interested in. as a parent, how do we protect the next generation from doing what you articulated, the fear, anger and hate permeating our politics. >> australia just came out they will push legislation that will make it -- will keep

16-year-olds off the social media. this is mildly addictive. the eu came out with a digital services act, but the digital markets act, but big tech leapfrogged over it. this is the problem. you have elon musk. you have big tech with president-elect trump. we need legislation. it's not about a nice to have, it's about safety, right? young women, a lot of these things were put in place belatedly when there was a pushback. after elon musk bought x, he turned it, and all the guardrails went oaf, the ones that were in place in 2020. look what that brought us. he brought it down to the basement, fired 80% of the safety engineers, and the oral social media followed, so those guardrails have to be put back in place. if american legislators cannot

do this, do not do this, what does that mean for the rest of the world? i've been saying this since 2021 at the nobel lecture. when facts spread faster than lies, when fear, anger and hate is the primary incentive structure, who wins in something like that? it's like telling your child to lie all the time. this is why where we are at. what do we do? >> give me some reason to hope. >> i think we move into the physical world. we organize in the physical world. the main thing that's broken right now is civic engagement. what does that slack-tivism is not what i'm talking about. we called it a whole society approach. the only thing we have had was weren't debt a influence earn marketing campaign for fact. we did take over the center of it, but we have the only son and namesake of our former dictator as president today, you know?

anyway, what do we do? the other part of what we do, how do we restore trust? if you don't have a shared set of facts, you can't have trust. without truth, you don't have trust. that's what's broken. the last part of that is 71% of the world today starting january this year, is now under autocratic world. 50% of the world voting this year, 2024 was a tipping point. now we know where the understand went. we know france also shifted. the entire world has shifted further right. germany shifted, but the united states may well by the tipping point for the rest of the world. so what do we do? we move into the follow world. we demand better. another way we're working on is deliberative technology. building tech that doesn't manipulate us. we did a study, nerve, the

sister company, did a study of the u.s. information ecosystem, not only were there less guardrails, but big tech companies calculated, i'll get more money out of this, and if biden wins, nothing will happen to me. if trump wins and i put more guardrails in place, he's vindictive, he'll come after us. it seems like every business leader made that calculation. we're going to need you stay close. [ laughter ] maria ressa joining us. when we come back, the same guy who has spread debunked conspiracy theories about vaccines. there's a dangerous impact on public health, next.

. i'm going to let him go wild on health, go wild on the food. i'm going to let him go wild on the medicine. the only thing i told him, bob. you just go ahead, work on the pest cites, work on making women's health, he's really unbelievable. it's such a passion. >> let him go wild. that was what people chose on

tuesday, donald trump making public his plans for public health, which the last time donald trump was in charge of public health, he was trying to oversee the deadly covid-19 pandemic. that's what we've seen him do. this time he's promising robert f. kennedy, jr., quote, a big role, which means we could have the chairman of an anti-vaccine advocacy group at the helm, and as "new york times" reports, he has no mel or health degrees, and promoted conspiracy theories for years, end quote. so far, rfk's agenda only beginning with debunked and misinformed questions of vaccine safety, as well as questioning the fluoride that's been in drinking water for nearly 80 years, fluoride that the american denialal association says it safe and effective in reducing decay.

and as for the food & drug administration that's response for the safety of food, medicines, even food for cats and gotten, and rfk says entire departments have to go. dr. kavita patel is here with us. how are you doing? and what are your thoughts? >> thank you for asking. we only have this mag mid attitude of grief, because we're so present, and we love this country so much.

let's try to get through these moments, because we will. >> let me stay here, actually. if trump is really going to let him go wild with all of these things, we'll have plenty of time to talk about rfk. i think what people need to understand, like we the mothers worried about, are the sacrifices made by amanda and hadley, to take the most tragic moments of their lives. -- and they both took the most dramatic chapters of their lives and shared them with the whole country, so that people understood what dobbs did and the draconian abortion bans did was made it impossible for

someone like hadley to have hope in her darkist hour to field like he would have a choice, and a ban in texas that may make it very, very difficult, if not impossible, for amanda and josh to have another child, to get pregnant again. so, i think when you talk about a grief response, i think it's a scary moment for women who put everybody on the line to try to explain to men and other women what it means in a post-dobbs world. >> yeah. it extends to -- you're allude to get it. it's tied in this notion of a food & drug administration that could make birth control, any of the things we have seen decades of safety evidence behind, make them inaccessible and getting in between what we as doctors do as we're trained to do. people are interfering with the practice of medicine through these laws. the grief is -- we've talked

about the men in these women's lives, all the people in their lives, other children, other siblings, it's a grief reaction -- i haven't even this in a long time sin acknowledging the loss of lives in covid. we've seen it in mass shootings, of course, but this is something where i don't think the public will pick up the next news cycle and move on. the grief doesn't go away, kind of like a pebble in your shoes. some days you don't notice it, but probably you'll feel it every single day. there's a positive that can come out of that, to your point, that we can actually take a beat and actually think about what we need to do to instill in place protections so we don't have to do this for our daughters. i think about it all the time.

we could do that anymore. we don't have the lucky you ary to think about it. >> i think about that >> i think about tha as a new girl moment, but i also think about this, the privilege of this chair is truly the privilege of my lifetime. the privilege of having someone like you, who has nothing to gain and everything to lose, being this have you initial and honest with me, and the opportunity i think you just had to conferred every single person watching. as you do every time, you keep it real, and the only other thing i would say with my political hat on and my mom hat on, to quote my favorite podcast, we can do hard things, but the winning things start from this place. the campaigns, the work that led to president obama's first two terms came from defeats and

setbacks, something that was impossible, until it was inevitable. the election of joe biden began in the room where hillary clinton delivered his cracked glass ceiling speech. i believe the winning coalition that will bring back democracy and advocate for women's health on the other side starts in conversations like this with. dr. patel, you'll have to come back tomorrow and deal with the issue we should purpose to, with information about fluoride and vaccines. from my bottom of my heart, thank you for today. >> you too. thanks, nicolle. another break. we'll be right back. , nicolle. another break. we'll be right back. eligible to get extra benefits with a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. most plans include the humana healthy options allowance. a monthly allowance to help pay for eligible groceries, utilities, rent, and over-the-counter items. the healthy options

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