>> and ken, lastly, in our last, like, 20 seconds here, that dnc race. there really isn't a real party leader right now. like, who takes the mantle? schumer? jeffries? who is it? >> i think you could see jeffries as potentially the leader of the party just given, you know, where the house is much more narrow, but there's no one really who's expected to emerge. i think they'll have to look to a lot of governors around the country for leadership for the next generation. >> that was the role nancy pelosi played the first time trump won. terrific reporting for us from ken thomas. ken, thank you for joining us at the end of a long week. come back soon. and thanks to all of you for getting up way too early with us on this friday morning and all week long. "morning joe" starts right now. president biden addressed the nation for the first time since trump won the election. democrats were, like, well, i guess at this point, we can let him speak again. [ laughter ]

let him talk. what's going to happen? during his speech, biden said you can't love your country only when you win, but since i didn't win or lose, i can do whatever the hell i want. it doesn't matter. biden also tried to comfort democrats by saying the america of your dreams is calling for you to get back up, and biden said, no. excuse me. i need to go take a nap. [ laughter ] >> while many expected a speech about the peaceful transfer of power and moving on, old joe had another idea. he had a major announcement up his sleeve. >> i'm staying in the race. [ laughter ] >> all right. who's going to tell him? ♪♪ >> the sun is coming up over new york city. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, november 8th. it felt like friday yesterday, but today it actually is friday.

president biden is pledging a peaceful and orderly transition of power following donald trump's election win. we're going to dig into more of his address to the nation as he prepares to welcome the man he once called a threat to democracy back into the white house. plus, trump and his transition team are already vetting potential candidates who could serve in his administration. we'll tell you who he just named to be his white house chief of staff, and why he's weighing bringing in outsiders over elected officials into his new cabinet. also ahead, we'll take a look at trump's plan to carry out the largest deportation in u.s. history, which he says must be done regardless of the financial price tag. along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire, president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton, editor in chief of "the economist," zany

minton bellows is here, and carl cervello of florida is here as well. we look at what's ahead. >> what's ahead in the united states and also for the world. i saw a piece in "the financial times" this morning, and many people would say a poor man's economist. thank you so much for being with us. it struck my attention on francis talking about why exactly donald trump succeeded so well, and why the republicans swept, what trump unleashed and what it means for america, but i thought that as you dug into it, it really talked about -- alex, i don't know. do we have the full screen on that or not? >> i have it here.

>> not quite yet. >> not quite yet, but you can read it. >> not quite yet, but really, it went to -- zany, i'll go with you here. there's been an ongoing problem, and i'm sure you have been concerned about. i have been concerned about it over the past 20, 30 years. the deindustrialization of the west, what that means for those that have been scattered in the job market. what it means -- the distortions that it's caused to the economy, whether it was -- well, they've actually gotten the prompter. let me read this and then have you respond. he writes, when trump was first elected in 2016, it was easy to believe the event was an aberration. he was running against an opponent who didn't take him serious, and in any case, trump didn't win the popular vote. when biden won the white house four years later, it seemed as if things snapped back to normal after a disastrous one-term president. tuesday's vote following it, and it seems that it was the biden

president that was the anomaly and trump is inauguraing an era in u.s. politics and perhaps the world as a whole. americans were voting with full knowledge of what he represented. what is underlining this phase? classical liberalism, of the equal dignity of individuals through rule of law that protects their rights on the checks and balances to interfere with those rights. but over the past half century, that impulse underwent two great distortions. the first was the rise of neo-liberalism, an economic doctrine that sanctiied governments. the world got a lot richer in the aggregate while the working class lost jobs and opportunity. the second distortion was the rise of identity politics or

what one might call woke liberal achl, and the working class was replaced by targeted sets of marginalized groups. it was not the service of impartial justice, but rather to promote specific social outcomes for these groups. in the meantime, labor markets were shifting into an information economy in a world which most workers sat in front of a computer screen rather than lifted heavy objects. women experienced a more equal footing. this transformed power within households and led to the per spgs of a seemingly constant celebration of female achievement. the rise of these distortions understandings of liberalism drove a major shift in the social basis of political power. the working class felt that the left-wing political parties were no longer defending their interests and began voting for parties of the right. thus the democrats lost touch

with their working class base and became a party doinated by educated urban professionals. the former chose to vote republican, and as i was reading this, i also saw "the new york times," i believe a story yesterday that said, the ten richest people in the world made $64 billion. what was it, alex? last week in an extraordinarily short -- okay. trump's victory adds a record $64 billion to the wealth of the richest top ten while again, the working class get poorer and poorer, and democrats left and center groups have had no answer for this now for 30 years. >> so it's interesting, joe, that frank fukuyama wrote that piece. he called the end of history and he thought history was finished then, and i agree with him that

this is now the end of what you might call the post-war era of the world where the american-led rules-based order is definitely being challenged and you could say as frank said perhaps first time around, it was an aberration. now it is not. americans have voted very clearly for a very different conception of their economy and their role in the world. what caused it? i think he touches on many of the important points. i don't think you can put this -- it's partly a backlash against this economy. it's partly a backlash against particularly the inflation of the last four years. if you look around the world, this has been a really bad year for incumbents. they have been toughed out in many countries, not just the u.s. there is a sense that the democrats have lost touch with ordinary americans, and i think the social aspect has a lot to do with that. people don't feel that the democrats are thinking of them. they think they look down on them, and they think they are the party of the elite, and

that's a real problem for the democrats. >> and carlos, importantly out of this election, what we can read into these numbers is that i think it was long believed that white working class voters were by and large trump supporters, but the coalition got so much broader over the last couple of years, and it showed itself in the vote on tuesday night with latino americans, 45% going to donald trump, black, young men going toward donald trump, not overwhelmingly, but making moves in that direction. young voters going toward donald trump. this was not just about white working class voters. this was something much bigger, a much broader coalition than most people realized. >> that's right, willie, and i think part of the explanation is in what joe just read. democrats -- it's been decades since democrats speak to this country as one nation, as one american people, you know, it's always we're going to do this for the hispanics and we're going to do this for the african americans, and we're going to do this with the lgbtq community,

and donald trump, you know, for all his flaws and of course, a lot of his speech is objectionable, but he speaks to all americans with the same message, and i think, you know, that's a big explanation here. i mean, people are looking for all these policy explanations. well, which policies does trump support that people like? it's really more about culture. it's really more about the way he addresses the country in an odd way, and it's really fractionalized the country to win all these coalitions. i think that's over. this idea that democrats have pushed for a couple of decades that demography is destiny, we can declare the death of that. democrat haves to learn how to win in this new era. >> mika, frank bruni has also written an op-ed we'll be talking about, and he talks about what democrats missed, and

talk about how democrats will see the shocking things that donald trump would say on the campaign trail, and they would think that was going to be what made the difference, him rambling about hannibal lecter, him rambling about electric votes, him rambling about sharks, him rambling about going after nancy pelosi, going after liz cheney, all of these other things, and what frank bruni said is they weren't paying attention to it. even the big things they were paying attention to, the debates -- >> yeah. >> they said that a lot of people and a lot of democrats looked at those big media events, those big political events thinking that that would smudge over the reality of inflation, and how much groceries cost and how much gas costs, and how hard it was to get into a home, and frank bruni says democrats never got it. while we were looking at all of the crazy things donald trump was saying on the campaign trail, all of the frightening things donald trump was saying on the campaign trail, they were looking at their wallet.

they were looking what groceries cost, what gas costs, what rent costs, and none of that really penetrated their conscience when they went to vote. >> right. it's, i think, hard for a hardworking american who's busy, who's got kids, who's got a lot of things to worry about, to even take a moment to comprehend enemy from within or hitler's generals or things that really seem very jarring to students of politics and american -- who do this for a living, but i agree. it kind of washed over because i think if those comments were taken seriously, the -- perhaps the results might have been a little different, and the comments are real and the history with donald trump is real, but i don't think the democratic side was able to communicate that effectively or they overcommunicated on it as important as it was, and left out other areas, left other

areas for the trump side to take, and then there was disinformation. president-elect trump successfully harnessed the anger and frustration felt by millions of americans and used it to score a decisive election victory. this is a new analysis by "the new york times" finding how trump won. it came down to one essential bet, that his grievances could meld with those of the maga movement, and then with the republican party, and then with more than half the country. his mugshot became a best-selling shirt. his criminal conviction inspired $100 million in donations in one day. the images of him bleeding after a failed assassination attempt became the symbol of what supporters saw as a campaign of destiny. the paper continues, at times, mr. trump could be so crude and

self-indulgent on the stump that aides wondered if he were engaged in an absurdist experiment to test how much aberrant behavior voters would tolerate. however, trump tapped into the anger and frustration millions of voters felt about some of the very institutions and systems he will soon control. as the country's 47th president. voters unhappy with the nation's direction turned him into a vessel for their rage. reverend al, what do you make of that assessment? >> i think it's right on. i think that they hit the real reason that we are where we are, and that is that everyday people of all races that were suffering from economic insecurity, inflation, and others, felt they were not being addressed and many of us kept warning that you can't have the beltway

intellectuals guide this. we were saying, wait a minute. you got to listen to people. trump was in a very crafty way, saying, butter is too high. yes, you're suffering, and they did it while the other side was not saying why this was the case. therefore, it was interpreted that you don't understand what i'm going through, and telling me about all this stuff that he's done doesn't answer the reason i'm in the condition i'm in. >> i saw them try, but i guess not enough. >> there are certainly similarities to what we saw in 2016 and now, where there was just this anger that, like, the elites were doing well. the rest of us were suffering. that's the vote was. the aftermath of the great recession and knew the aftermath of the pandemic and we saw people lose jobs or be severely weakened in its aftermath. zanny, your publication has the new piece titled "welcome to trump's world."

"the economist" writes in part, this. in 2016, some people comforted themselves with the thought that mr. trump's presidency was an aberration to stop the power to mr. biden in 2020. voters have shown how wrong that conclusion was. instead, they have endorsed mr. trump's unbounded exploitation of partisanship as the basis of his politics including the slander of his opponents as corrupt and treacherous. this has spread a cynicism and despair about the merits of government that may serve him, but will not serve america's democracy. maga is a movement of icon clachl against the benign internationalists who occupied the white house for 70 years. this week a majority of voters embraced it with their eyes open, and let's dig in deeper on this. it's not that we've all just seen trump's conduct in office with the impeachments and the insurrection, but also what he has pledged to do, mass deportations, a crackdown on his

enemies, and a majority of americans looked around and said, yes. we'll take it. >> this is what we want. >> they did, and i think i would frame it slightly different to "the new york times," which is i think there was definitely among his core supporters there's a fanatical trumpism and the belief in everything he does. many ordinary people, many americans of all walks of life, when it wasn't necessarily rage, it was just they thought, actually, he says a whole bunch of things that i don't believe. the first term was pretty good, and on important things that mattered to me, he actually is talking, they think, sense on immigration. it is true that this government has failed to deal with the border until very recently. it's a real problem. he got it. he got the sense of that many people feel that the kind of culture wars and the left and the progressive slant of the democratic party is on gender and trans issues and all kinds of stuff. those are the ads that really went, and i think he taps into a sense which is not so much just

a feeling of rage. it's a sense that people -- americans across the board think that he is closer to them than democrats are, but the reason we wrote this bigger picture editorial is what is definitely clear is his sense of america's role and what america should be doing in the world is very different than the last 70 years. >> yeah. >> this is a protectionist view. this is a view of much more akin to the 1930s. that's why i think this is a shift really -- we have to g back 70 years to see a shift like this. >> right. >> i would posit that the consequences for those who live outside america, are going to be, you know, as alarming or more alarming, and i think that you can go around the world and see it's not surprising foreign leaders were tweeting out congratulations sort of as fast as they could because no one knows what he's going to do. everyone wants to get on his right side. everyone knows he's transactional. he wants american strength. they don't know quite what that means and they're trying to

position themselves to get in his good books and i think -- and this may surprise you. he may not be as bad for example for ukraine as many people think. i was struck in our reporting this week. my colleague based in kyiv that suggests senior people in kyiv were rather hoping for a trump victory because they were so fed up of the sort of self-denial and timidity of the biden administration that they felt, you know, they weren't getting the weaponry that they needed. there was a sense that there was so much worry in washington right now about escalation by putin. so i think we're just -- the whole post-war order has been thrown up, shaken up, and yeah. we spoke last week, and i said, we wrote our endorsement, and i said it may be that we'll get through this, and it'll be like trump won and i hope that's right. the risks were too high for me which is why we were so happy. i hope these risks don't come to pass and we actually get -- there are some good things that could come of this. it's hard for you to think about

that right now, but there are areas that could be deregulation, there's a huge amount he could do. good things he could do. there are good things that could be done in foreign policy. we just have to hope they get done and the risks aren't, and i think rather than -- i'm trying to look forward and positive about it, and i think that at the moment, it's just up in the air and it's what trump we get. >> to see where it lands, and as we're looking back, willie torks -- to zanny's point, they spend $30 million on the misleading trans ads and they were airing just everywhere especially in front of football audiences and made a difference. >> yeah. no question about it. we've talked about that, those broke through, and that showed up in the exit polling. so is the democratic party now shattered, picks up the pieces and tries to evaluate what happened. president biden who stepped aside from the race back in july addressed the nation yesterday for the first time since vice president kamala harris lost the election to donald trump. speaking from the white house, biden emphasized the importance

of a peaceful transfer of power and urged americans to unite over their love of the country. >> the people vote and choose their own leaders and they do it peacefully. we're in a democracy. the will of the people always prevails. yesterday, i spoke with president-elect trump to congratulate him on his victory, and i assured him that i would direct my entire administration to work with his team to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition. that's what the american people deserve. i will do my duty as president. i'll fulfill my oath, and i will honor the constitution. on january 20th, we'll have a peaceful transfer of power here in america. i know for some people, it's a time for victory to state the obvious. for others, it's a time of loss.

campaigns are contests of competing visions. the country chooses one or the other. we accept the choice the country made. i've said many times you can't love your country only when you win. you can't love your neighbor only when you agree. something i hope we can do no matter who you voted for is see each other not as adversaries, but as fellow americans, bring down the temperature. i also hope we can later rest the question about the integrity of the american electoral system. it is honest. it is fair, and it is transparent, and it can be trusted, win or lose. setbacks are unavoidable, but giving up is unforgivable. we all get knocked down, but the measure of our character as my dad would say is how quickly we get back up.

remember, a defeat does not mean we are defeated. we lost this battle. the america of your dreams is calling for you to get back up. that's the story of america for over 240 years and counting. it's the story for all of us, not just some of us. the american experiment endures. we're going to be okay, but we need to stay engaged. we need to keep going and above all, we need to keep the faith. >> carlos, the president talking about the peaceful transfer of power. it is worth noting a quick concession the next day from kamala harris clear what the result was, not clear if the margins had been the same the other way that we would be talking right now about a peaceful transfer of power, but no question about who won this race. so let's talk about the blame game that's going on among

democrats. i'm sure you're hearing it as we all are from sources and some of it spilling out into the public. some saying, well, if joe biden had gotten out earlier, allowed for a real primary process, it would have tested the candidate, would have introduced a candidate. perhaps it would have been someone different from kamala harris. everyone has the answer after such a wipeout on tuesday. what is your sense of what could have been done differently? in material at this point as democrats need to look forward and figure out how they win again? >> well, real quick, willie, both on vice president harris' speech and president biden's speech, they delivered the speeches, the message that the country needed at this time, and you really have to tip your hat to them. that was one of joe biden's best speeches in months, maybe even in years. so the nation should be grateful for that tone and that attitude. that's what my dad used to say about this country and how it

was different from latin american countries where our families came from. they fight and embrace after the fight. hopefully we can get back on track. in terms of what democrats could have done differently, i don't think in the hundred days that she had to campaign, she could have addressed the structural challenges that democrats faced. another victory to donald trump, a significant victory. i think that looking back at the biden-harris administration and their four years in office, i think when americans picked joe biden in 2020, they wanted someone to heal the country. they wanted someone to bridge the political gap, the divide, and i do think in that sense, they did not succeed, and when you look at the right track/wrong track numbers in polls, i think it does confirm that. president biden really had an opportunity, perhaps to decide he was going to be a one-term president from the beginning. he kind of alluded to that during his campaign in 2020, and tried to bridge the political gap and really lower the

temperature in this country, but despite some bipartisan victories in congress, you know, you look at the polling. you look at how people feel, and they did not succeed in healing the country the way i think americans were looking for them to do in 2020, trying to turn the page on what was a very chaotic trump presidency. >> certainly trump didn't exit the stage and continued to feed into that tumult and divide. he has deemed donald trump a threat to democracy, but he has committed to the peaceful transfer of power. there is a lot of fingerpointing behind the scenes between the biden and harris camp, some believing had president biden stepped away after the midterms per se, things could have been different. there could have been an open primary process, maybe resulting in a better chance for democrats to win, but let's remember president biden at the time, two successful legislative years, a strong state of the union.

that would have been a tall order. this isn't just a biden or harris problem. democrats have a party problem. republicans won around the clock. >> i think that's really what the democratic party has to face. they have an existential problem, which is why i commended some that have been inside fighting saying that. they say you've got to get back to real people. >> right. >> real people are suffering, and trump is the only one blaming something, so they go for that because we're not identifying -- yes, you're suffering. these things led to that, and i think that the democratic party has to really deal with listening to some of the people in the party, trying to reconnect them to their roots, what they stood for. >> i think that's fair, but i think we have to -- we have to factor in massive disinformation as well. >> oh yeah. absolutely. >> we can't just pretend democrats -- >> but you have to answer the disinformation. >> i totally hear that. former congressman of florida, and also zanny minton beddoes.

we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," new reporting about how some republicans are already looking to scale back a few of president-elect trump's more expensive economic proposals. plus, betting on who would become the next president surged in the final weeks ahead of the election, and for some who put their money on trump, the gamble paid off. we'll talk about the impact of that next on "morning joe." we're back in 90 seconds. next . we're back in 90 seconds

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that bad, but i know all my guy friends bet it. >> reporter: a regulated exchange called kalshi netting $1,400 when he won. >> christmas came early for me. >> reporter: one of at least three platforms, they advertised coast to coast drawing more than $450 million in wagers. this man is the ceo. >> we are a country that likes to get in the game, that like truth, that like to engage with things and understand them better, and these markets are a mechanism for doing all of the above. >> but experts say there are real concerns with allowing betting on election. >> in the election game, if you want to call it that, we are all on the field. the voters are all on the field. if the competitors themselves are betting on the game. there are problems with that potentially. >> reporter: democratic senator jeff merkley took aim at the apps prior to the election. >> that is instead just turning election into a casino.

>> reporter: election bets are nonetheless taking over social media. kalshi even paid parry to promote his bet, but parry says he voted for trump before placing his wager. >> it is a game really. you campaign and the goal is, you know, to get 270, you know, points. >> nbc's brian cheung reporting there. joe, culturally, especially among young people, but a lot of people in the country, gambling is a part of life. it's an easy app on your phone if you are sitting and watching a baseball game. you can bet, is aaron judge going to ground out or fly out in this pitch? is he going to make a little more money? you can bet he's going to hit a home run. it's almost the natural progression that sure. why wouldn't you be able to bet on this too? >> yeah. politics though, unlike what the young man said, politics is not a game. there's much more at stake. you have pete rose who was disqualified from ever participating in baseball again for betting on baseball, and yet we're now encouraging voters to

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this morning, nbc news is projecting president-elect donald trump officially now has won the state of nevada and its six electoral votes. this marks the first time a republican has won that state since 2004. trump campaigned frequently in las vegas promoting his no tax on tips pledge where a significant number of workers work with tipped wages. trump now stands at 301. arizona now remains the last state yet to be called. jonathan lemire, donald trump leading comfortably now in arizona as well. that's 11 electoral votes. it will put him up to 312. so basically donald trump should sit at 312, and you have a few

of these outstanding senate races that have yet to be called as well, but we can stop now and say for all the talk over these months and months about the seven battleground states with arizona still outstanding, it looks almost certain that he will sweep all seven of those states. >> yeah. trump's going to run the table here which is truly striking. he'll end up with more electoral votes than he did in 2016. we already know that he is on pace to win the popular vote this time around, something that a republican presidential candidate has not done since 2004. now there are a few things still hanging in the balance. the democrats did get some good news in the senate. alyssa stockton going to win in michigan. tammy baldwin going to hang onto her seat in wisconsin. nothing projected yet, but we have leads for senator rosen in nevada as well as rueben gallego in arizona.

pennsylvania might go the other way. it appears that senator casey might lose his seat to dave mccormick, and it leads us to ticket splitting. we have a number of democratic senate candidates who still managed to win, but wisconsin and michigan's already happened. nevada and arizona, mika, seem likely. pennsylvania, the only exception to the rule, but where this leaves us is donald trump, republicans will have the presidency. they will have the senate and by enough of a margin, they don't always needs the votes of susan collins and lisa murkowski, who were willing to defy trump in the past, they'll be willing to do it without them. the house hasn't yet been called. there are paths for democrats to win, but the path is narrow. the republicans will get the house and have a clean sweep. >>. so the fbi is investigating reports of racist text messages sent to black americans after the presidential election. nbc news correspondent xinle has

the latest. >> reporter: she got a text from a number she didn't recognize . >> it was this odd, text message feeling, saying, hello. you have been scheduled to be a slave on a plantation. you're scheduled to be picked up at 12:00 a.m. on november 13th. >> how did it feel when you got that text message. >> i was immediately disturbed. >> she's not alone. social media sites have been flooded with people from new york to florida who say they've gotten these racist messages. freeman and others believe the texts may have been sparked by the current political climate. >> i think that this is intentional to scare people of color, black people, into a reality that we don't want to go back to. >> reporter: the wording of the texts appear to differ. some have misspellings, and some address them by name, telling recipients they have been selected to pick cotton. all of those who nbc spoke to who got these messages are black. several universities reported

their students got the texts. clemson said they came from numbers associated with online spoofing sites. textnow which offers free phone numbers online tells nbc news at least one of its accounts may be involved writing in a statement in part, we do not tolerate or condone the use of our service to send harassing or spam messages. adding, we shut down the accounts and are working with authorities. with recipients like corinne freeman, the digital hate is fueling real world concerns. >> i am overwhelmed with anxiety and fear about how i'm going to help my children make sense of the world that they have to navigate as black children. >> joining us now the president and ceo of the naacp, derrick johnson. i guess we'll start there and then broaden out. what do you make of these text messages, and what's it signifying in terms of what's to

come? >> not surprising. if you can recall, when trump was in office before, we've seen an increase in racial hate crimes. in one week alone, attacks on latinos in el paso and louisville, in the jewish community in pittsburgh, just in a one-week span with mass shootings. we are not surprised that this has taken place, and unfortunately, we are in for four years of this. >> rev, your take? >> well, we must remember in the four years that donald trump was president, that is when george floyd happened. that is when breonna taylor happened. that's when ahmad aubrey happened, and he said nothing as president. he went in front of a church and lectured the protesters holding up a bible, and i think that as derrick -- as we started getting calls at the national action network, and you were overwhelmed about these text messages, it brings back this whole feeling of our community under siege, and you've got to remember trump just a couple of

weeks ago said, well, some slavery could have stayed in. these people are being emboldened and feel empowered with the re-election of donald trump, and i think that that message didn't get through even to some young black men because of the anxiety of the economic woes we were dealing with. >> yeah. in terms of the election itself, the democratic business model is dysfunctional. they emphasize nationalizing the campaign on media bias, and they don't spend enough time on the doors. they don't empower local and state actors. they're not expanding the pie, and so what we have seen over the last 15-plus years is the same playbook, and we're getting the diminishing returns. the vp, her execution of this campaign was flawless. she did exactly what she was supposed to do, but when i got to pennsylvania -- when i was in -- in atlanta, i realized some gaps there, that the people who were working in the campaign that was hired before the vp was

in place, they were disconnected from the communities. african americans were a reliable voting block, but we have to be persuaded. we have to be mobilized, and the model they used is mobilization only and not persuasion. the medium age of our community is 32 years old. think about that. a significant number of individuals, they didn't grow up looking at broadcast news. >> right. >> they didn't grow up looking at cable news. they grew up looking at social media platforms that's unregulated full of mis and disinformation, and we have to communicate with them differently. >> nailed it. yeah. >> no question. let's talk big picture. where does the party go from here? certainly, you know, donald trump tried to court black voters and didn't end up having much success. he had major inroads though with the latino population, but what you, you know, so many voters on the trail though, and rev, you can attest to this. there's so many members of the black community who feel like their vote has been taken for granted and the candidate shows up every four years.

how can that fundamental dynamic change? how can they feel more included and more part of the process? >> the black vote should not be taken for granted. we need to have a conversation with the black community and it's a persuasion conversation. two, the consult class has to be pushed back because they're pushing a multimillion dollar campaign. what you find is no infrastructure between the elections, individuals being grossly enriched, and the candidates can be perfect, and what happens is regardless of the candidate, the infrastructure is still in place, and that goes back 15, 20 years, and it is frustrating to say the least. >> i can imagine. president and ceo of the naacp, derrick johnson, thank you. i'm so sorry. still ahead, we'll speak with pulitzer prize-winning journalist, bob woodward to a look ahead to the domestic and global issues donald trump will inherit when he returns to the white house.

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chase, what a night. touchdown. >> what a grab. joe burrows third touchdown pass to jamar chase sets up the cincinnati bengals for a game winning attempt against the ravens, they're going for the win with under a minute. but, the throw on the two-point try falls incomplete after officials appear to miss penalties committed by baltimore, a hold on tight end and what looked like roughing the passer on burrow. at least that hold for sure. the ravens come away with a win, after quarterback lamar jackson was absolutely brilliant. the mvp leading baltimore back from a 14 point deficit, finishing with four touchdown passes, three of them coming in that fourth quarter rally. ravens beat the bengals, 35-34. jonathan lemire, what a display of quarterback play from lamar jackson, but also from joe burrow, who threw for four touchdowns, 428 yards, including

those three two jamar chase. some people will question why the bengals went for two. i like it. you're on the road. clearly your defense hasn't been stopping lamar jackson in the fourth quarter. >> totally agree with the call to go for two and the win on the road. more coaches should do that. i was frustrated when the patriots did not. a year where offense has been down this year in the league, and quarterback play has not been that great. what an exception last night. both lamar and burrow, fantastic. you and i have talked about how our respective nfl teams have given us nothing to cheer for. therefore we have shifted to fantasy football. i'll note, my team has both lamar jackson and jamar chase, between two players, 88 points last night, so i like my chances this week if nothing else. >> that is unbelievable. congrats to you. also exciting, john, 9:30, i know you and the kids have been

glued to the tv. 9:30 a.m. on sunday, we are exporting the giants and the panthers to munich, which seems unfair. >> sunday today, giants, panthers, already trump is disrupting the international order by sending the worst football game we could imagine. >> i guess i'll watch. i don't know, we'll see. meanwhile, lsu has a huge game tomorrow night against alabama and reportedly, for inspiration, we'll have a live tiger in the stadium tomorrow night in death valley. stopped nearly a decade ago. they used to have the tiger on the sideline. a state senator telling the louisiana illuminator, the live tiger set to attend the game will not be the 8-year-old tiger who became lsu's mascot in 2017 and lives in an enclosure across the stadium. they have a tiger outside the basketball arena. according to wbrz, a different

tiger brought in from out of state, from a refuge, will soon the mascot roll for tomorrow's game. reviving a tradition in what effectively, by the way, is an elimination game, both with two losses loser is not making the playoff. >> norms falling apart. a tiger on the sidelines. this is, to where are point, this is something they used to do, they stopped for safety concerns. apparently those safety concerns aren't valid anymore. it's a huge game. we're seeing the current top 12. these teams can't afford another loss. mika, you have registered some objections. >> i don't like it, no. that's not -- that's animal abuse. coming up, russian president vladimir putin is now commenting on america's presidential election. we'll tell you what he's saying about donald trump's victory just ahead on "morning joe." nin" woah, limu! we're in a parade.

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♪♪ two minutes before the top of the hour. time now for a look at the morning papers. in california, the sacramento bee leads with some january 6th defendants expressing hope they'll be pardoned by president-elect donald trump. on the campaign trail, trump promised to grant clemency to some of the 1,500 people charged for rioting at the capitol. one convicted rioter already asked a federal judge to push back a hearing. that request was denied. lawyers for other defendants say they are planning similar moves. we'll be following that. in nevada, the reno gazette journal is highlighting data that shows an increase in homicides by people under the age of 18. the violent crime in the u.s. has decreased overall the number of murders committed by children

rose by 65% between 2016 and 2022. experts say an influx of firearms into the country. the growing influence of social media and residual effects from the covid-19 pandemic are all partly to blame. thus, los angeles times reports governor gavin newsom declared a state of emergency as a fast moving wildfire burned through parts of southern california. the mountain fire has destroyed over 20,000 acres forcing thousands of people to flee their homes. as of this morning, the fire is only 5% contained. we'll follow that, and the arizona daily star reports earth will likely break heat records again. the european climate service predicts 2024 is on track to be the hottest year for the second year in a row. experts say this year's high temperatures were caused in part by el nino, adding that this is

a quote, sneak peek into what the new normal will be about a decade from now. so it is exactly the top of the hour on this friday, november 8th. jonathan lemire, reverend al sharpton are still with us. joining the conversation, we have katty kay with usment msnbc political analyst, and publisher of the news letter inc., available on sub stacked, lot to start the hour with. >> jim's latest piece for "axios" is something. he writes democrats just lose badly, they lost to a convicted criminal they ridiculed as a racist, misogynist, fascist, and they didn't just lose to trump, they lost the senate, the house, many hispanic men, all three blue wall states, southern swing

states, substantial support in the bluest of states and cities. why it matters, democrats are a lost party. the road to the democrats damascus requires deep honest self-reflection, and entirely new leadership. jim, it seems to me you're taking a bit rosier view of the democratic party than most. talk about it. >> it's a bad election for democrats for sure. >> yeah. >> listen, like any autopsy requires being a doctor, right, you have to look at this clinically, and there's no way to look at the data and not say maps where they did worse, and counties where democrats did worse or cities, and realize it was an unambiguous verdict on the democratic party, and one they did not expect. the good news for democrats would be, listen, we live in a 50/50 country, redemption is an off year away, for a lot of

democrats, you talked to the same people we do, they feel like we're lost. they don't feel like they have an obvious route, an obvious leader to lead them out of the wilderness. it's going to be a year, year's long project to figure out why are republicans cutting into the working class, hispanics, so reliably democratic voters turning to republicans. why are young voters who used to be sympathetic to the democratic party moving towards trump. that's a lot to unpack. until you look at it clinically and clear eyed, you're not going to come to the conclusions of how do you fix what you have. >> any thoughts of from what you heard, you are right. >> it isn't an fdr nation or reagan, 49 state sweep. you take the three blue wall states that would have elected harris, you have democrats winning two of the three senate

seats there. you have kamala harris within a point in wisconsin, a cup of points in michigan, a couple of points in pennsylvania, not a landslide there, democrats did worse than 48 of the 50 states. they got routed by 13 points or so in florida. 13, 14 points or so in texas. when in texas they were getting closer and closer over the past 15 years to actually making that race competitive. nothing, nothing there. so what are you hearing from democrats mainly that -- is there any sort of consensus in these early days? >> i don't think there's any consensus, and there rarely is this close to an election. i think you would kind of hit on it at the top of your statement there. the redemption probably exists in trying to figure out why are they doing well with governors in states like michigan and pennsylvania, and why are some of these senate candidates able to win in states where vice president harris could not win,

start to figure out what's different about their politics than the politics you see in washington. they know, like, listen, it is, we're now 20 years into the trend, whenever we get people who want something different, there's always an antiruling class backlash, presumably in the next presidential election, they should do better. but and we have been talking about this a lot for the last year, there's been a ring, why were hispanics, moving even long before this, towards republicans. why are working class voters used to be the bedrock of the democratic party, the bernie sanders crowd, why are they suddenly attracted to trump, and it's very hard to win national elections just having really rich educated people in big cities loving you. you need more. you've got to have a more diverse coalition. you've got to be able to appeal to working class voters who are worried about inflation and economic topics, and so someone

will emerge at some point to be able to lead them out of the promised land. there's not an obvious figure. i don't think michelle and barack obama want to lead a revival of the party, and barack obama can't run again anyways, it's going to be very hard for vice president harris to say, hey, i lost and did worse than joe biden in 48 states but i'm the person to lead you. they're going to have to find who are the figures to lead them. hakeem jeffries, probably the most powerful democrat by virtue of his position. is he the future of the party? i don't know. probably one of those governors you mentioned. >> so jim was talking about the back and forth nature of american politics, and we have been doing this a little while. i've done this before. i want to do it again. just for people that are thinking, you know, they always seem to think that the election that was most recently held is the end of history, and we have seen it time and time again. i just want to go over this again, in 2004, republicans won,

coral road declared a permanent majority. two years later, nancy pelosi was elected the first woman speaker of the house. democrats took charge. 2008, barack obama is elected in the hope and change election, and democrats talk about a permanent sweeping majority of the ascendant. two years later, the tea party comes in, and they are in charge. could not be more different than barack obama. and all of those people who won in 2008. that was in 2010. 2012, barack obama gets reelected. 2014, republicans take charge of the senate. 2016, trump's elected. 2017, republicans lose. 2018, republicans lose.

2019, republicans lose. 2020, joe biden elected president. '22, democrats hold off the red wave. '24, the red wave comes. so there is a back and forth and back and forth and this whole idea that this is somehow the end of history, which we heard in 2004 when bush got reelected. we heard in 2008 when barack obama got reelected. it's just not. but the democrats have serious, serious problems. this is just not going to come back by gravity. they have serious, serious problems. they lost a great number of latino voters. they lost a great number of black men. they lost young voters in numbers that just is shocking to them, that voted for them two years ago, four years ago, asian americans broke away from them. 48 of 50 states broke against

democrats. and some of those states, like i said, texas, florida, pennsylvania is moving that way with party registration. if democrats don't do something fast, pennsylvania is going to be gone four years from now. and the ability to win an election seems even more narrow. what do you think happened a couple of days ago, and where do democrats need to go over the next four years if they want to run a competitive race against the next republican nominee. >> yeah, it's a difficult week. you know, i think elections are an ancient technology for finding out who your neighbors are, what they're thinking, what they're feeling. we have these other polls and other things, but not until you get 100 million plus people driving somewhere, voting, mailing in things, do you actually know who lives around you. and this is not what we've had

in recent years, which is a popular vote loss with an electoral victory the last time trump won. this is a clear statement where most people who vote are. and i think it's obviously going to be a moment of reckoning. i don't think we have all the pieces of what needs to change. i'll say a couple of things. i think perhaps the biggest irony of this particular result is that democrats have worked very hard to build a platform of inclusion. if you look at the actual substance of what they want, it's an inclusive platform. but it reads to a large number of americans as an elitist, party. you can argue that's ginned up. a self-inclusive movement reads to a lot of people as elitist. on the flip side, a movement that is essentially a

billionaire special purpose vehicle in the republican party has started to read to a lot of people as a working class movement. you can fact check that, explain the reasons that's not true, doesn't matter. the fact that these readings have been reversed is a moment for real reckoning. i think democrats have to be a working class party again, both in terms of affect, in terms of real policy vision, but i also think there is a -- particularly with what happened with men and white voters and now working class voters of color moving in that direction, a real question of is this a party that when it speaks about issues sounds to people like a broad pan american movement that strums the deepest cords of the country, as opposed to to catering to niche interests.

this is not a one time autopsy. i'm not the sports guy at the table, but this is a rebuilding year in sports. you didn't win the championship this year, and you're not going to win next year, and the next year after that, and there's a certain freedom in the runway that gives you to say, we have to actually reimagine a movement from scratch. >> sometimes people have to see it. i think there were a lot of warnings. i don't think democrats were completely, you know, not there. they were trying to warn about the contrast. and i think for a lot of people it's very hard to comprehend, and they will have to see it to believe it. i want to take a look at "new york times" columnist frank rooney, a new piece entitled democrats, let's get real about why harris lost, and then go to katty. he writes, americans, at least the ones whose minds weren't firmly made up, would surely abandon trump now. there was a limit to the cruelness and craziness they'd

abide. that judgment, of course, was terribly wrong, and i want to name and dwell on a few of the reasons for its wrongness because they're stubborn, misapprehensions, enduring blind spots, they're costing democrats, no, they're costing america dearly. for starters, many voters don't know about or didn't really pay attention to all of trump's ugliness in the final hours. many voters are plugged in like that, politics, presidential campaigns aren't in the center of its vision but in its periphery and irregularly at that. those of us who get hourly updates have nightly freakouts and can hold forth on trump and the shark trump and hannibal lecter and trump windmills aren't normal, but we are arrogant. we assume our experience is everyone's and our knowledge ambient.

people are busy, people are distracted, people are cynical. much, if not most of this political drama because they regarded indeed, as theater, as performance, whether it's trump's conniptions or harris's kumbaya. what forms their impressions, they are responding in significant measure to the state of the world around them, whether it's to their liking and whom they hold responsible it. that was harris's affliction, the price of food. the elusiveness of home ownership and the fact that she had been the number two figure in the administration in charge of the country for the past four years. the obvious, boring nature of the diagnosis didn't make it any less fatal. another blind spot, the belief that seemingly key moments matter, more than ongoing conditions. sure, democrats had an expert

ly choreographed convention. harris had a great debate, no doubt. trump had a miserable one, and then came his madison square garden debacle. treating each story as potential turning points spiced the narrative. it smudged the big picture. which is about satisfaction with and confidence in the country's direction. survey after survey, showed that americans were deeply fearful and intensely pessimistic, not even the most star studded rally could change that. not even an endorsement by taylor swift could make it go away. katty, i think that was seeringly correct in many ways. >> the voters make a difference

between what offends them and what affects them. many may have been offended by trump's comments. many of us were offended. it wasn't what affected them. what affected them was the fact that the rent has gone up 45%. beef has gone up 45%. milk is up 45%. many of us own our homes, and we don't feel the shock, the inflation wealth gap that produces. i think the other good piece that's worth democrats reading and it's not to let the party off the hook. it has to go through this postmortem process. it has to have a hard think about the leader it puts forward next time. there's a good piece in the financial times point out that of all the big elections that have taken place around this world this year, the ten incumbent leaders of the major economies, they were all thrown out of office, and that's the first time in 120 years that happened. there's a post covid shock to the world, particularly on the issue of inflation and

incumbents couldn't survive that wave, and maybe biden should have dropped out a year earlier. maybe they should have had a primary process. maybe they could have run harder on anti-woke issues, but maybe that wouldn't have made any difference. it's possible this antiincumbent wave that went right around the world in those ten major elections around the world, not a single leader survived it. i don't think that should let democrats off the hook, but might give context in which to start this exploration of what comes next. >> jim vandehei, i want to go back to something derek johnson, the head of the naacp said a few minutes ago on this show. you have always been the leading edge of where media is going, "politico," "axios," you understand the environment so well, how do democrats and frankly, how does legacy media need to change the way it thinks about getting information. a lot of voters who went out and voted for donald trump, that so many people are wondering what happened here, they're not

watching, frankly, this show. they're not reading "the new york times". they're not consuming media that way, and the trump campaign found those voters where they live. so how did democrats need to change the way they communicate to voters, if you think that's part of the problem. >> for sure. i think all of us have to come to grips. legacy media is not as important as it thinks it is. it is to you, and me. it's a relatively small group of people who rely on us for their information. you have to go into the world, as it is, not as you wish it to be. the way people get information has shattered into the 20, 30 pieces. if you look empirically at the numbers, joe rogan is more important than any of us. he has a bigger, hyper connected audience that listens to his every word. listen to joe rogan, and try to understand, what is he talking about, what are the guests he has on. what are the issues they care about. realize that the gravity of

right wing discourse is now taking place on x. it's not fox. x is what matters. elon musk is now, i wrote about this yesterday, arguably the most powerful civilian in the history of the country. he controls information flow. he controls multiple businesses. he has the president's ear. he's going to be in charge of some newfangled organization to gut government spending. we have not seen a person with that kind of clout across those sectors. where his real power comes from is x. people thought he was an idiot when he bought x because it cost a lot of money. politics is downstream from information. and there's just a whole new information ecosystem out there, so for us, for you, for democrats, for republicans, you have to understand that you now are going to basically navigate 20 or 30 different parts of the ecosystem if you want to connect with the american people who vote. >> there's a word that has come up a couple of times on this

show, but not spoken of much during the campaign, which is covid. i think there's a sense that we're still dealing, perhaps, with the impact of that, in a quiet way where it's not being discussed. the isolation, being in the lockdowns, people, particularly young men, who didn't get to go to high school, had to do everything through a screen, finding social media, becoming more isolated, becoming more angry. this is the kind of stuff you spend time thinking about. the ripple effects of what we experience, we're going to feel in our politics for a long time. >> when one person has a traumatic experience, we know what to do. we go to a counselor, a therapist, maybe they take some medication. when an entire country has a traumatic experience, it's just called life. it's just called history. we have an entire country and world that had a traumatic experience, whether it was my kindergartner wearing a mask to school, which i'm very glad we

had masks, but also watching my kindergartner not being able to reck noise the faces of their best friend because eyes are not enough at age 6 to recognize a face. and the enormous amount of mental health challenges that i don't think we even fully realized were unleashed. the sense of defenselessness people felt economically. and you're right that when you have that kind of traumatic event, it's just in the blood in ways that historians may make sense of. sociologists may make sense of. i don't think we right now are in a position to make sense of it. again, we look at results like this. a lot of what jim is saying makes sense, but we look at these things in terms of parties competing, and what are the qualities of the parties. the real drama is what's going on with people, right, and what this is really proof of is not one party being more defunct than another. at the margin, that's true.

but this is just a biopsy of what's going on with us right now. and what i take from it, from my political vantage point is we're not okay. and a lot of people are grasping for things. my read of this drift towards trump is that a lot of people are grasping for a story, a source of meaning, a way of explaining what they're feeling, what their life has been like to themselves that is different from the stories they have tried before. and that is very understandable against the backdrop of what people have lived through. if you are then going back to the question of what can democrats do, it's not just tactical or policy. it's building a movement for people that feel that loneliness and alienation of young men. white people who want to be good people in a pluralist country, don't know how to talk, how to be, of people who feel the job losses, feel the industrialization, but also want the better angels to come out

and not be sniping at a border and migrants because the car industry not doing well. you have to build a movement that walks people through an age, instead of just offering them a menu of policies. >> don't you also have to build a movement with people that understand people? isn't culture a large part of this? people feel that the leaders that are talking for them, talk to them and understand them. and that goes across party lines. what donald trump was able to do and i think fabricated what he was able to do is make people feel like i understand you are mad too, i'm angry too. i deal with the resentment you do. and people keyed into the resentment, fabricated or not, more than policy. because they were mad, and they wanted somebody to say you're not crazy to feel mad. there is things that are not

working for you. and that's cultural as well as understanding the feeling of people. james brown used to tell me, reverend, people can feel you before they hear you, and i think that that's the kind of political leadership the democrats are going to have to try to find. >> i desperately agree with that. you're a man of the church. you understand, even when a church leader asks people to vote a certain way, that is the end of a very long process, and it began with some muffins in a basement. it began with hugging someone when they lost someone. years, years, years. >> that's right. >> maybe at the end of those years of building trust, building connection, being there for people in a bad moment. tolerating them when they believe the wrong things, at the end of the funnel, maybe you can say, hey, i would like you to think about voting for this person. >> donald trump did none of that, fyi. >> i don't agree. particularly the media

ecosystem. it's not a good one. it's a negative one. a radicalization funnel. what they have done in the online media ecosystem is build a radicalization engine, the way militant groups do around the world, takes people from low level annoy, and then moves through you tube videos, podcasts, moves them from the annoyance, to a full blown fascist politics. it's an elaborate multibillion dollar infrastructure, and there is nothing like it on the pro democracy side. we don't have an -- when a man is lost and lonely and not yet radicalized, we don't have the equivalent of joe rogan to move that man in a feminist direction. we should educate men that it's great to live with a strong woman who makes money.

it's actually easier, life is easier. >> mika is right, donald trump didn't do any of that. he played on the resentment of those that did. and that's got to be dealt with. >> it is. but i think we can't entirely blame one person. >> no, no. >> we have not built -- this is an era, around the world, i just came back, i was actually in india on election day for my grandfather's 100th birthday. india has an authoritarian leader similar to donald trump, narendra modi. it different set of issues but the feeling is the same in india, right, and again, in ind -- india, there's a movement to why is this happening into the politics. and the center left movement in india has none of that. it doesn't have explanations, doesn't have a leader. by the way, to jim's point, i think the democratic national committee chair has always been a kind of low level side show job. maybe in this era of democrats

in the wilderness, maybe that should be a really important job. maybe it should go to a dynamic, extraordinary person that can read the reckonings and actually have this conversation. think about the media infrastructure we need to build. this is a generational project, and i hope it's not just did she attack to far to the right, to the center. it's a big generational, and frankly, exciting question. >> joe, jump in. >> rev, i want to talk to you because there's been an awful lot of talk about people who have traditionally voted for democrats, black men, hispanic men, moving away because they believe that men have not been welcomed into the new democratic party. and that somehow there's something wrong with being a man that there is a collective guilt. we have heard it time and time again. again, if anybody's listening to

this, the democratic party is listening to this and they're shocked by those words, they have had their head in the sand for five, six, seven years, but we hear it all the time. you know, willie and i have talked about it. you know, children going to school. we have had writers from the atlantic, talking about, coming on about articles they have read and children going to school in manhattan, and young boys, 7, 8, 9-year-old boys doing told you're part of a collective guilt because they are a male, toxic masculinity starts at 7. and, you know, that doesn't work. not only does that not work in politics, that doesn't work in society. so while democrats are sitting here talking, you know, trying to figure out, like, what's happened with men, why black men, why hispanic men are departing the democratic party, they have to look back and see what's happened over the past ten years in the democratic

party, and among progressive elites and this feeling, whether it's in an elementary school or whether it's on college campuses, that this collective guilt against men, the charge that all men are somehow part of this toxic masculinity. that, you know, that's how parties lose men. that's how men fall to the side. that's why black men and his panic men in many cases said enough. enough. i'm going to vote for the other guy. >> and i think that the bottom line of what you're saying is that many of the young black men i talked to in my own organization and those that are not are saying they did not feel they left the democratic party. they feel the democratic party in some ways left them and don't understand them and don't relate

to the fact that they're not part of a toxic masculinity, and they want to be able to be what they are. i remember i was making a speech, and i talked about how we must support our women like i talked about some today, but we also show our real manhood by doing that. we were raised, many of us in the black community by single mothers. my father left when i was 10. my mom told me to put on cologne so they wouldn't spell the roach spray we sprayed where we lived. and rachel said you need to talk about that more, how you embraced were mother, but wanted to be a man. like you don't understand me. >> msnbc political analyst, and axios cofounder and ceo, jim vandehei. great conversation.

and coming up, this is going to be really nice. emmy award winning actor, jason sudeikis and executive director of the steps of faith foundation join us straight ahead to discuss this year's thunder gong celebrity benefit concert. they're standing by as you can see. and before we go to break, willie, what do you have planned for "sunday today"? >> looking forward to talking to those guys in a minute. on sunday, we'll continue to break down tuesday night's election. look forward to another term under donald trump, and a bit of a breath from the election, i get to sit down with one of the costars of the movie musical everyone is talking about right now, "wicked" is coming to the big screen. and cynthia erivo, an incredible actor, won an emmy, grammy p tony. been nominated for an academy

award for playing harriet tubman, and the biggest role of her career in "wicked," cynthia erivo, and look at the platform where the rockefeller christmas tree will arrive tomorrow. we'll be right back. k.

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♪ come monday it will be all right come monday i'll be holding you tight ♪ ♪ i spent four lonely days in a brown l.a. haze ♪ ♪ and i just want you back by my side ♪ >> nice. a little buffet from jason sue -- sue day -- sue it features musicians and comedians come together to get limbs they need with the nonprofit steps of faith foundation. the show takes place in kansas city. he has been on "morning joe" to talk about the cause. including from his car during covid.

they have raised $3 million since the inception, providing prosthetics for 14 million people across the country. along with his good friend, executive director, they are the cocreators of the thunder gong event. it's great to have you back. it's become an annual tradition as you head into the big event. billy, for people who don't know about this cause, if you could share a little bit about it and your personal story that brought you guys together on this. >> yeah, steps of faith foundation, what we do is get prosthetic limbs for amputees who have no health insurance or prosthetic coverage. medicaid in a few states does not cover prosthetic care for adults, which is crazy but true. we're there when people have no other option and they want to get back on their feet, back to work, back to life, back to taking care of themselves and their families. i lost my left leg above the knee to a really rare form of

cancer called ewings sarcoma in 2005. i was a full-time musician at the time, and again, fortunately lived to tell the tale. and so, yeah, you know, needless to say i have a personal connection, and i'm one of the people we help. >> and you are the house band, i understand. summer breeze, a little yacht rock, bringing the easy listening to the folks in the arena. so, jason, you heard buffet, you crushed shallow as well. you bring it to the event. what is so special about that night for you? >> well, a big part of it is doing it with one of my best friends. we helped him out back in 2006, putting together a little comedy and music concert for just him, raising a bunch of money so that he could afford to walk again, and then, yeah, just the good feelings of putting on a show this we would love to go watch ourselves that has the exclusive and intentional benefit of

helping people. and a lot of times people that we will never actually meet. it's one of the nice things that sends a ripple effect if not affect me, affect our kids. >> we should note that this year's show sold out. people can donate to the cause at thunder gong.org. we briefly flashed a list of some of the performers. give us a preview of what we should expect this year's show, can't help but note that weird al is on the bill. >> weird al, yankovic, and flavor flav. the '80s, '90s, including 2024 me is extremely excited. i mean, the fact that, yeah, i'll get to pretend to be chuck dee for, you know, a few minutes here and there will be thrilling. but, yeah, i mean, like i said earlier, it really is -- it came together with billy's idea, hey, how do we do that thing you did

for me for a bunch of other people. we'll do the same thing but with more people and charge money for it, that's what we're doing. it comes from a place of us trying to make a show that we would love to go watch, and the song list is quite eclectic. i said that it's -- it kind of ends up being a mixed tape that your cooler older brother put together for some girl that he was madly in love with. >> anyone wants to listen to that. billy, give us a sense of the scale of how many people are losing their limbs in america. i saw from our producer sent us an amazing briefing note, 500 people in the u.s. lose a live every day? >> yeah, that seems like fake, right? >> amazing. yeah, felt like fake. the first time i heard it, that can't be right, checks notes. oh, wow. just over 500 a day. and again, health insurance is a mess.

not everybody can afford it. not everybody has it. as i mentioned before, medicaid in a handful of states doesn't cover prosthetic care. the need for what we do isn't great, and unfortunately isn't going away. steps of faith, we had a goal to help 300 amputees this year in 2024. we've already helped over 380, so the demand is insane, the success of our thunder gong event and being able to come on this show and talk to you guys has allowed us to not slow down and have to pump the brakes and be able to meet this demand that is just flying in every day to our office to help all of these people. that's why we're here again, doing thunder gong on saturday, you know, getting a prosthetic limb, especially if you're a new amputee is a very time sensitive work. we don't have to pump the brakes and rise to the occasion. we want to be able to help as many people as we possibly can. >> you're doing that. good on you both for stepping

into the gap that's desperately needed. thunder gong at the uptown theater in kansas city. visit thundergong.org. for more details about how you can support the cause. jason, and billy brimblecom. have a great night, and thanks for the great work you're doing. >> thank you again for having us. really really puts money into the right places. appreciate it a lot. >> we hope people step up and help out. thanks, guys. still ahead on "morning joe," world leaders are congratulating president-elect trump on his victory, including russian president vladimir putin. we'll talk about what the election result could mean for the war in ukraine as well as other areas of u.s. foreign policy when "morning joe" comes back. " comes back some people just know they could save hundreds on car insurance by checking allstate first. okay, let's get going. can everybody see that?

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time now for a look at some of the other stories making headlines this morning. officials in the netherlands say dozens of people were arrested overnight in amsterdam after israeli soccer fans were systematically targeted and attacked. violence came after a league match between iax a team from tel aviv. dutch and israeli leaders denounced the violence as anti-semitic. according to the associated

press, video showed israeli fans chants antiarab slogans in the streets at some point during this. at least five people were hospitalized. australia's government is pushing ahead on a plan to ban children under the age of 16 years old from social media. according to lawmakers there, there will be no exemptions, even for kids who have consent from their parents. officials say social media companies will be responsible for showing they are taking reasonable steps to prevent underage access. this is an important story. we will keep our eye on that. we're awaiting updates, though, on a story from south carolina, where, get this, police say dozens of monkeys escaped from a research facility. the public is being urged to lock their doors and windows until the primates have been captured. a care taker left the door to

the enclosure unsecured. we'll be following that. also, china is rolling out a $1.4 trillion plan aimed at reviving the faltering economy. the bailout will authorize local governments to refinance massive debts that have left some cities unable to pay their bills. as "the new york times" reports, it comes amid the crushing collapse of the real estate market with home prices plummeting and foreclosures soaring. we turn back now to the impact of this week's election. russian president vladimir putin is heaping praise on president-elect donald trump saying yesterday in his first public remarks on trump's victory that he is ready for discussions. speaking at a forum in southwestern that he is ready f discussions. speaking at a forum in southwestern russia, putin congratulated trump and called him courageous. putin said he was impressed by

trump's behavior following the assassination attempt in july and said, trump's remarks about ending the war in ukraine deserve attention. in a phone interview yesterday with nbc's kristen welker, trump said he had spoken with 70 foreign leaders since the election, but putin was not one of them. trump added he would expect to speak with the russian leader. joining us now, chief of staff at the cia and department of defense -- former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, jeremy bash. it's good to see you again. let's start with vladimir putin, trump's relationship that we know of about him as covered by jonathan lemire, and many of us here in his first term, and some of the news that has been revealed in the past six months, some reporting showing there might have been some contact between former president trump and vladimir putin. what do you portend about the shift potentially in position

especially pertaining to ukraine and the potential consequences of that? >> well, we have a tradition in our country, mika, that having only one president at a time, and although we are in a presidential transition, the real -- the way we conduct our foreign policy is usually to let the outgoing biden administration deal with foreign leaders. there are some congratulatory calls. i'm not sure this is being honored here. i believe the trump team is making plans for a major shift in ukraine policy. i mean, they effectively campaigned on it and they telegraphed that they will not support ukraine, and so this is an ominous moment for democracies around the world, for american allies and partners. i think fundamentally what we are going to see come january 20th is the united states pulling its support for ukraine and saying very clearly it does not support the expansion of nato to include ukraine. it wants the fighting to stop along the lines of the current -- where the troops are currently which would mean that russia could effectively annex

major portions of ukraine that it has captured in the last 2 1/2 years, and although this might, you know, have some appeal because it, quote, ends the war, this would be a terrible outcome for the ukrainian people, for the ukrainian government. it would deliver a serious blow to nato, and i think it would frighten our other al lice and partners including in the baltics that are terrified. it would also show a green light to china that you can take territory, run over borders, and suffer no consequences. >> there's been a lot of focus on ukraine, but actually some -- one country that foreign policy types and former military types that i've spoken to are looking at south korea, and the knock on implications to other allies of the united states saying, look. if we can no longer rely on the american security umbrella as we have, or if america is about to take an isolationist turn, we need to shore up our own

security proposition. how concerned are you that actually what the sort of direction that america is going to go into in the second trump administration may actually make the world less safe, not more safe, not just for other countries, but for the united states too? >> well, katty, i think this -- this approach of america isolationism or america first-ism, abandoning our allies, abandoning our partners, i think it will embolden dictators, and i think it will make the world more dangerous, less safe. look. you mentioned south korea. you know, during the first trump term, he threatened to withdraw from the -- from the u.s.-south korea free trade agreement, and that was not only kind of a clear signal that the economic ties between us and our allies in south korea would be broken, but it would be a signal about the potential breaking of our military ties, and we have tens of thousands of troops in the korean peninsula watching what north korea is doing.

i think, again, the clear message to xi jinping in china is, you can take taiwan. maybe just give us the chips, but you can take taiwan. i think that's the transaction that the trump administration will want to pursue, and that's going to be very ominous for the philippines. this can be very ominous for australia, for japan, for south korea, and for the entire alliance security architecture that the united states has built in the indo-pacific. so i think it's a high water mark for dictators, for autocrats when trump comes into office, and i think unfortunately, it's going to be a very difficult and dangerous moment for democracies. >> jeremy, good morning. let's move to the middle east. prime minister benjamin netanyahu gleeful after donald trump's win. obviously most people believe he wanted donald trump to become president because the former president said publicly, i'm going to let bb do what he needs to do. how will the prime minister of israel interpret that sort of message from donald trump, and what is a trump presidency mean to the conflict there in gaza?

>> well, look. i think if there's one silver ling here is i hope it can meet that israel can pivot away from gaza and focus on the broader regional threats including the threat from iran, and maybe -- i don't know this for a fact, but maybe the quiet conversation that's happening is okay. trump will give bb and the israelis a freer hand to deal with the pending threat from iran because if iran is only weeks away from having a nuclear weapon, this is going to require a reckoning by the united states and our allies and partners, and maybe the messaging is wrap things up in gaza, get the hostages back, including the seven american hostages who are still there, wrap things up in gaza, and pivot to the broader threats that are threatening israel. you know, of course, more than 400 ballistic missiles came at israel from iran in april and october. the united states played a very important role in actually helping to defend israel, and our naval ships are under fire every single day, every single moment from houthi elements.

i do worry a little bit, willie, that one of the things that trump has said is he wants the u.s. military to do less in the middle east. he sort of has suggested that people who want the american military to be active are, quote, warmongers. the american military protects our aallies, bases, troops, and embassies. the united states military has to have a very fortful presence. that should not end under the trump administration. >> former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense, jeremy bash, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thanks. >> we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning woodward will join us with his take on the presidential election results and what he thinks a second donald trump term could look like. "morning joe" will be right back. uld look like "morning joe" will be right back

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president biden addressed the nation for the first time since trump won the election. democrats were, like, well, i guess at this point, we can let him speak again. [ laughter ] let him talk. i don't know what's going to happen. during his speech, biden said, you can't love your country only when you win. he said, since i didn't win or lose, i can do whatever the hell i want. it doesn't matter. biden also tried to comfort democrats by saying the america of your dreams is calling for you to get back up.

and biden said, no, excuse me. i need to go take a nap. >> while many expected a speech about the peaceful transfer of power and moving on, old joe had another idea. he had a major announcement up his sleeve. >> i'm staying in the race. [ laughter ] >> all right. who's going to tell him? >> good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, november 8th. it felt like friday yesterday, but today it actually is friday. president biden is pledging a peaceful and orderly transition of power following donald trump's election win. we're going to dig into more of his address to the nation as he prepares to welcome the man he once called a threat to democracy back into the white house. plus, trump and his transition team are already vetting potential candidates who could serve in his administration. we'll tell you who he just named to be his white house chief of staff, and why he's weighing bringing in outsiders over

elected officials into his new cabinet. also ahead, we'll take a look at trump's plan to carry out the largest deportation in u.s. history which he says must be done regardless of the financial price tag. along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire, president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton, editor in chief of "the economist," zanny minton beddoes is here, and carlos curbelo of florida is here. we look to what's ahead. >> what's ahead not only for the united states, but also for the world. i saw a piece in ""the financial

times"," this morning, many people would call a poor man's economist. thank you for being with us, zanny. it struck my attention on francis fukuyama talking about why exactly donald trump succeeded so well and why the republicans swept. he was running against a an opponent who didn't take him seriously, and in any case, trump didn't win the popular vote. when biden won the white house four years later, it seemed as if things snapped back to normal after a disastrous one-term presidency. tuesday's vote following it, announcing it was the biden presidency that was the anomaly, and that trump is inauguraing a new era in u.s. politics and perhaps the world as a whole. americans were voting with full knowledge of who trump was and what he represented.

what is underlining this phase? classical liberalism, of the equal dignity of individuals through rule of law that protects their rights on the checks and balances to interfere with those rights. but over the past half century, that impulse underwent two great distortions. the first was the rise of neo-liberalism, an economic doctrine that sanctified markets and reduced the ability of governments to protect from economic change. the world got a lot richer in the aggregate while the working class lost jobs and opportunity. power shifted away from the places it hosted, the original industrial revolution to asia and other parts of the developing world. the second distortion was the rise of identity politics or what one might call woke liberal liberalism, and what progressive concerns for the working class was replaced by targeted protections for a narrower set of marginalized groups.

state power was increasingly used not in the service of impartial justice, but rather to promote specific social outcomes for these groups. in the meantime, labor markets were shifting into an information economy in a world which most workers sat in front of a computer screen rather than lifted heavy objects. women experienced a more equal footing. this transformed power within hus households and led to the perception of a seemingly constant celebration of female achievement. the rise of these distortions understandings of liberalism drove a major shift in the social basis of political power. the working class felt that the left-wing political parties were no longer defending their interests and began voting for parties of the right. thus the democrats lost touch with their working class base and became a party dominated by educated urban professionals. the former chose to vote republican, and as i was reading this, i also saw "the new york times," i believe a story yesterday that said, the ten richest people in the world made $64 billion.

what was it, alex? last week in an extraordinarily short -- okay. trump's victory adds a record $64 billion to the wealth of the richest top ten while again, the working class get poorer and poorer, and democrats left and center groups have had no answer for this now for 30 years. >> so it's interesting, joe, that frank fukuyama wrote that piece. he wrote an article called the end of history and he thought history was finished then, and i agree with him that this is now the end of what you might call the post-war era of the world where the american-led rules-based order is definitely being challenged and you could say as frank said perhaps first time around, it was an aberration. now it is not. americans have voted very clearly for a very different

conception of their economy and their role in the world. what caused it? i think he touches on many of the important points. i don't think you can put this -- it's partly a backlash against this economy. it's partly a backlash against particularly the inflation of the last four years. if you look around the world, this has been a really bad year for incumbents. they have been toughed out in many countries, not just the u.s. there is a sense that the democrats have lost touch with ordinary americans, and i think the social aspect has a lot to do with that. people don't feel that the democrats are thinking of them. they think they look down on them, and they think they are the party of the elite, and that's a real problem for the democrats. >> and carlos, importantly out of this election, what we can read into these numbers is that i think it was long believed that white working class voters were by and large trump supporters, but the coalition got so much broader over the last couple of years, and it

showed itself in the vote on tuesday night with latino americans, 45% going to donald trump, black, young men going toward donald trump, not overwhelmingly, but making moves in that direction. young voters going toward donald trump. this was not just about white working class voters. this was something much bigger, a much broader coalition than most people realized. >> that's right, willie, and i think part of the explanation is in what joe just read. democrats -- it's been decades since democrats speak to this country as one nation, as one american people, you know, it's always we're going to do this for the hispanics and we're going to do this for the african americans, and we're going to do this with the lgbtq community, and donald trump, you know, for all his flaws and of course, a lot of his speech is objectionable, but he speaks to all americans with the same message, and i think, you know, that's a big explanation here. i mean, people are looking for all these policy explanations. well, which policies does trump support that people like? it's really more about culture. it's really more about the way he addresses the country in an

odd way, and it's really fractionalized the country to win all these coalitions. i think that's over. this idea that democrats have pushed for a couple of decades that demography is destiny, we can declare the death of that. democrats have to learn how to win in this new era. >> mika, frank bruni has also written an op-ed we'll be talking about, and he talks about what democrats missed, and talk about how democrats will see the shocking things that donald trump would say on the campaign trail, and they would think that was going to be what made the difference, him rambling about hannibal lecter, him rambling about electric boats, him rambling about sharks, him rambling about going after nancy pelosi, going after liz cheney, all of these other

things, and what frank bruni said is they weren't paying attention to it. even the big things they were paying attention to, the debates -- >> yeah. >> -- said that a lot of people and a lot of democrats looked at those big media events, those big political events thinking that that would smudge over the reality of inflation, and how much groceries cost and how much gas costs, and how hard it was to get into a home, and frank bruni says democrats never got it. while we were looking at all of the crazy things donald trump was saying on the campaign trail, all of the frightening things donald trump was saying on the campaign trail, they were looking at their wallet. they were looking what groceries cost, what gas costs, what rent costs, and none of that really penetrated their conscience when they went to vote. >> right. it's, i think, hard for a hardworking american who's busy, who's got kids, who's got a lot of things to worry about, to even take a moment to comprehend

enemy from within or hitler's generals or things that really seem very jarring to students of politics and american -- who do this for a living, but i agree. it kind of washed over because i think if those comments were taken seriously, the -- perhaps the results might have been a little different, and the comments are real and the history with donald trump is real, but i don't think the democratic side was able to communicate that effectively or they overcommunicated on it as important as it was, and left out other areas, left other areas for the trump side to take, and then there was disinformation. president-elect trump successfully harnessed the anger and frustration felt by millions of americans and used it to score a decisive election victory. this is a new analysis by "the new york times" finding how

trump won. it came down to one essential bet, that his grievances could meld with those of the maga movement, and then with the republican party, and then with more than half the country. his mugshot became a best-selling shirt. his criminal conviction inspired $100 million in donations in one day. the images of him bleeding after a failed assassination attempt became the symbol of what supporters saw as a campaign of destiny. the paper continues, at times, mr. trump could be so crude and self-indulgent on the stump that aides wondered if he were engaged in an absurdist experiment to test how much aberrant behavior voters would tolerate. however, trump tapped into the anger and frustration millions of voters felt about some of the very institutions and systems he

will soon control. as the country's 47th president. voters unhappy with the nation's direction turned him into a vessel for their rage. reverend al, what do you make of that assessment? >> i think it's right on. i think that they hit the real reason that we are where we are, and that is that everyday people of all races that were suffering from economic insecurity, inflation, and others, felt they were not being addressed and many of us kept warning that you can't have the beltway intellectuals guide this. we were saying, wait a minute. you got to listen to people. trump was in a very crafty way, saying, butter is too high. yes, you're suffering, and they did it while the other side was

not saying why this was the case. therefore, it was interpreted that you don't understand what i'm going through, and telling me about all this stuff that he's done doesn't answer the reason i'm in the condition i'm in. >> i saw them try, but i guess not enough. >> there are certainly similarities to what we saw in 2016 and now, where there was just this anger that, like, the elites were doing well. the rest of us were suffering. that's the vote was. the aftermath of the great recession and knew the aftermath of the pandemic and we saw people lose jobs or be severely weakened in its aftermath. zanny, your publication has the new piece titled "welcome to trump's world." "the economist" writes in part, this. in 2016, some people comforted themselves with the thought that mr. trump's presidency was an aberration to stop the power to mr. biden in 2020. voters have shown how wrong that conclusion was. instead, they have endorsed mr. trump's unbounded exploitation

of partisanship as the basis of his politics including the slander of his opponents as corrupt and treacherous. this has spread a cynicism and despair about the merits of government that may serve him, but will not serve america's democracy. maga is a movement of iconoclasm against the benign internationalists who occupied the white house for 70 years. this week a majority of voters embraced it with their eyes open, and let's dig in deeper on this. it's not that we've all just seen trump's conduct in office with the impeachments and the insurrection, but also what he has pledged to do, mass deportations, a crackdown on his enemies, and a majority of americans looked around and said, yes. we'll take it. >> this is what we want. >> they did, and i think i would frame it slightly different to "the new york times," which is i think there was definitely among his core supporters there's a fanatical trumpism and the belief in everything he does.

many ordinary people, many americans of all walks of life, when it wasn't necessarily rage, it was just they thought, actually, he says a whole bunch of things that i don't believe. the first term was pretty good, and on important things that mattered to me, he actually is talking, they think, sense on immigration. it is true that this government has failed to deal with the border until very recently. it's a real problem. he got it. he got the sense of that many people feel that the kind of culture wars and the left and the progressive slant of the democratic party is on gender and trans issues and all kinds of stuff. those are the ads that really went, and i think he taps into a sense which is not so much just a feeling of rage. it's a sense that people -- americans across the board think that he is closer to them than democrats are, but the reason we wrote this bigger picture editorial is what is definitely clear is his sense of america's role and what america should be

doing in the world is very different than the last 70 years. >> yeah. >> this is a protectionist view. this is a view of much more akin to the 1930s. that's why i think this is a shift really -- we have to g back 70 years to see a shift like this. >> right. >> i would posit that the consequences for those who live outside america, are going to be, you know, as alarming or more alarming, and i think that you can go around the world and see it's not surprising foreign leaders were tweeting out congratulations sort of as fast as they could because no one knows what he's going to do. everyone wants to get on his right side. everyone knows he's transactional. he wants american strength. they don't know quite what that means and they're trying to position themselves to get in his good books and i think -- and this may surprise you. he may not be as bad for example for ukraine as many people think. i was struck in our reporting this week. my colleague based in kyiv that suggests senior people in kyiv

were rather hoping for a trump victory because they were so fed up of the sort of self-denial and timidity of the biden administration that they felt, you know, they weren't getting the weaponry that they needed. there was a sense that there was so much worry in washington right now about escalation by putin. so i think we're just -- the whole post-war order has been thrown up, shaken up, and yeah. we spoke last week, and i said, we wrote our endorsement, and i said it may be that we'll get through this, and it'll be like trump won and i hope that's right. the risks were too high for me which is why we were so happy. i hope these risks don't come to pass and we actually get -- there are some good things that could come of this. it's hard for you to think about that right now, but there are areas that could be deregulation, there's a huge amount he could do. good things he could do. coming up, president biden urges the country to turn down the temperature on politics.

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>> the people vote and choose their own leaders and they do it peacefully. we're in a democracy. the will of the people always prevails. yesterday, i spoke with president-elect trump to congratulate him on his victory, and i assured him that i would direct my entire administration to work with his team to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition. that's what the american people deserve. i will do my duty as president. i'll fulfill my oath, and i will honor the constitution. on january 20th, we'll have a peaceful transfer of power here in america. i know for some people, it's a time for victory to state the obvious. for others, it's a time of loss. campaigns are contests of competing visions. the country chooses one or the other. we accept the choice the country made. i've said many times you can't

love your country only when you win. you can't love your neighbor only when you agree. something i hope we can do no matter who you voted for is see each other not as adversaries, but as fellow americans, bring down the temperature. i also hope we can later rest the question about the integrity of the american electoral system. it is honest. it is fair, and it is transparent, and it can be trusted, win or lose. setbacks are unavoidable, but giving up is unforgivable. we all get knocked down, but the measure of our character as my dad would say is how quickly we get back up. remember, a defeat does not mean we are defeated. we lost this battle.

the america of your dreams is calling for you to get back up. that's the story of america for over 240 years and counting. it's the story for all of us, not just some of us. the american experiment endures. we're going to be okay, but we need to stay engaged. we need to keep going and above all, we need to keep the faith. >> carlos, the president talking about the peaceful transfer of power. it is worth noting a quick concession the next day from kamala harris clear what the result was, not clear if the margins had been the same the other way that we would be talking right now about a peaceful transfer of power, but no question about who won this race. so let's talk about the blame game that's going on among democrats. i'm sure you're hearing it as we

all are from sources and some of it spilling out into the public. some saying, well, if joe biden had gotten out earlier, allowed for a real primary process, it would have tested the candidate, would have introduced a candidate. perhaps it would have been someone different from kamala harris. everyone has the answer after such a wipeout on tuesday. what is your sense of what could have been done differently? in material at this point as democrats need to look forward and figure out how they win again? >> well, real quick, willie, both on vice president harris' speech and president biden's speech, they delivered the speeches, the message that the country needed at this time, and you really have to tip your hat to them. that was one of joe biden's best speeches in months, maybe even in years. so the nation should be grateful for that tone and that attitude. that's what my dad used to say about this country and how it was different from latin american countries where our families came from. they fight and embrace after the fight. hopefully we can get back on track. in terms of what democrats could have done differently, i don't think in the hundred days that

she had to campaign, she could have addressed the structural challenges that democrats faced. and which delivered another victory to donald trump, a significant victory. i think that looking back at the biden-harris administration and their four years in office, i think when americans picked joe biden in 2020, they wanted someone to heal the country. they wanted someone to bridge the political gap, the divide, and i do think in that sense, they did not succeed, and when you look at the right track/wrong track numbers in polls, i think it does confirm that. president biden really had an opportunity, perhaps to decide he was going to be a one-term president from the beginning. he kind of alluded to that during his campaign in 2020, and tried to bridge the political gap and really lower the temperature in this country, but despite some bipartisan victories in congress, you know, you look at the polling. you look at how people feel, and they did not succeed in healing the country the way i think

americans were looking for them to do in 2020, trying to turn the page on what was a very chaotic trump presidency. >> certainly trump didn't exit the stage and continued to feed into that tumult and divide. he has deemed donald trump a threat to democracy, but he has committed to the peaceful transfer of power. there is a lot of fingerpointing behind the scenes between the biden and harris camp, some believing had president biden stepped away after the midterms per se, things could have been different. there could have been an open primary process, maybe resulting in a better chance for democrats to win, but let's remember president biden at the time, two successful legislative years, a strong state of the union. that would have been a tall order. this isn't just a biden or harris problem. democrats have a party problem. republicans won around the clock. >> i think that's really what the democratic party has to face. they have an existential problem, which is why i

commended some that have been inside fighting saying that. they say you've got to get back to real people. >> right. >> real people are suffering, and trump is the only one blaming something, so they go for that because we're not identifying -- yes, you're suffering. these things led to that, and i think that the democratic party has to really deal with listening to some of the people in the party, trying to reconnect them to their roots, what they stood for. >> i think that's fair, but i think we have to -- we have to factor in massive disinformation as well. >> oh yeah. absolutely. >> we can't just pretend democrats -- >> but you have to answer the disinformation. >> i totally hear that. former congressman of florida, and also zanny minton beddoes. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," how the presidential election turned into an online casino.

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♪♪ for the first time in several decades, americans were allowed to gamble legally on tuesday's election results. nbc news business and data correspondent brian cheung reports on the enthusiasm among donald trump supporters who won big. >> reporter: on college campuses, students might bet on football or basketball. >> i bet $10,000 on trump. >> reporter: but thanks to a court decision just weeks before the election, this week young americans also legally bet on the presidential election at the university of pittsburgh. luke parry and his friends bet on trump. >> i don't know any girls really that bet, but me -- i know me and all my guy friends betted.

>> reporter: a regulated exchange called kalshi netting $1,400 when he won. >> christmas came early for me. >> reporter: one of at least three platforms where election betting is legal, kalshi advertised coast to coast, drawing more than $450 million in wagers. this man is the ceo. >> we are a country that likes to get in the game, that like truth, that like to engage with things and understand them better, and these markets are a mechanism for doing all of the above. >> but experts say there are real concerns with allowing betting on elections. >> in the election game, if you want to call it that, we are all on the field. the voters are all on the field. it's the same thing in sports betting when the competitors themselves are betting on the game. there are problems with that potentially. >> reporter: democratic senator jeff merkley took aim at the apps prior to the election. >> that is instead just turning election into a casino. >> reporter: election bets are nonetheless taking over social media. kalshi even paid parry to promote his bet, but parry says

he voted for trump before placing his wager. >> it is a game really. you campaign and the goal is, you know, to get 270, you know, points. >> nbc's brian cheung reporting there. joe, culturally, especially among young people, but a lot of people in the country, gambling is a part of life. it's an easy app on your phone if you are sitting and watching a baseball game. you can bet, is aaron judge going to ground out or fly out in this pitch? is he going to make a little more money? you can bet he's going to hit a home run. it's almost the natural progression that sure. why wouldn't you be able to bet on this too? >> yeah. politics though, unlike what the young man said, politics is not a game. there's much more at stake. you have pete rose who was disqualified from ever participating in baseball again for betting on baseball, and yet we're now encouraging voters to bet on the future of american democracy. it doesn't make a lot of sense, but mika, here's one more example about how how the trump team figured out how to energize

young, male voters, and it worked. >> yeah, absolutely, and we'll be -- we'll be breaking this all down in the weeks to come. coming up, the fbi is investigating a series of racist messages that were reportedly sent to a number of black americans after donald trump's election win. president and ceo of the naacp, derrick johnson will join us to weigh in on that. "morning joe" will be right back. "morning joe" will be right back ah...family time. of course it's not the same if you can't enjoy your favorite foods. but getting your teeth fixed at a price you can afford? don't really see that one on the table. here's something to chew on. aspen dental has custom made solutions with flexible finance options to make implants and dentures more affordable for you. with 0 dollars down plus 0% interest, if paid in full in 18 months. helping people like rose keep family traditions going. it's one more way aspen dental is in your corner. have you compared your medicare plan recently?

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♪♪ so the fbi is investigating reports of racist text messages sent to black americans after the presidential election. our nbc news correspondent has the latest.

>> reporter: corinne freeman was at home with her kids when she got a text from a number she did not recognize. >> it was this odd, text message feeling, saying, hello. you have been scheduled to be a slave on a plantation. you're scheduled to be picked up at 12:00 a.m. on november 13th. >> how did it feel when you got that text message. >> i was immediately disturbed. >> she's not alone. social media sites have been flooded with people from new york to florida who say they've gotten these racist messages. freeman and others believe the texts may have been sparked by the current political climate. >> i think that this is intentional to scare people of color, black people, into a reality that we don't want to go back to. >> reporter: the wording of the texts appear to differ. some have misspellings, and some address individuals by name, but the content is the same, telling recipients they have been selected to pick cotton. all of those who nbc spoke to who got these messages are black. several universities reported

their students got the texts. clemson said they came from numbers associated with online spoofing sites. textnow which offers free phone numbers online tells nbc news at least one of its accounts may be involved writing in a statement in part, we do not tolerate or condone the use of our service to send harassing or spam messages. adding, we shut down the accounts and are working with authorities. with recipients like corinne freeman, the digital hate is fueling real world concerns. >> i am overwhelmed with anxiety and fear about how i'm going to help my children make sense of the world that they have to navigate as black children. >> joining us now the president and ceo of the naacp, derrick johnson. i guess we'll start there and then broaden out. what do you make of these text

messages, and what's it signifying in terms of what's to come? >> not surprising. if you can recall, when trump was in office before, we've seen an increase in racial hate crimes. in one week alone, attacks on latinos in el paso and louisville, in the jewish community in pittsburgh, just in a one-week span with mass shootings. we are not surprised that this has taken place, and unfortunately, we are in for four years of this. >> rev, your take? >> well, we must remember in the four years that donald trump was president, that is when george floyd happened. that is when breonna taylor happened. that's when ahmaud aubrey happened, and he said nothing as president. he went in front of a church and lectured the protesters holding up a bible, and i think that as derrick -- as we started getting calls at the national action network, and you were overwhelmed about these text messages, it brings back this whole feeling of our community under siege, and you've got to remember trump just a couple of

weeks ago said, well, some slavery could have stayed in. these people are being emboldened and feel empowered with the re-election of donald trump, and i think that that message didn't get through even to some young black men because of the anxiety of the economic woes we were dealing with. >> yeah. in terms of the election itself, the democratic business model is dysfunctional. they emphasize nationalizing the campaign on media bias, and they don't spend enough time on the doors. they don't empower local and state actors. they're not expanding the pie, and so what we have seen over the last 15-plus years is the same playbook, and we're getting the diminishing returns. the vp, her execution of this campaign was flawless. she did exactly what she was supposed to do, but when i got to pennsylvania -- when i was in -- in atlanta, i realized some gaps there, that the people

who were working in the campaign that was hired before the vp was in place, they were disconnected from the communities. african americans were a reliable voting block, but we have to be persuaded. we have to be mobilized, and the model they used is mobilization only and not persuasion. the medium age of our community is 32 years old. think about that. a significant number of individuals, they didn't grow up looking at broadcast news. >> right. >> they didn't grow up looking at cable news. they grew up looking at social media platforms that's unregulated full of mis and disinformation, and we have to communicate with them differently. >> nailed it. yeah. >> no question. let's talk big picture. where does the party go from here? certainly, you know, donald trump tried to court black voters and didn't end up having much success. he had major inroads though with the latino population, but what you, you know, so many voters on the trail though, and rev, you can attest to this. there's so many members of the black community who feel like their vote has been taken for granted and the candidate shows up every four years. how can that fundamental dynamic

change? how can they feel more included and more part of the process? >> the black vote should not be taken for granted. we need to have a conversation with the black community and it's a persuasion conversation. two, the consult class has to be pushed back because they're pushing a multimillion dollar campaigns with no real accountability. what you find is no infrastructure between the elections, individuals being grossly enriched, and the candidates can be perfect, and what happens is regardless of the candidate, the infrastructure is still in place, and that goes back 15, 20 years, and it is frustrating to say the least. >> i can imagine. coming up, a report from las vegas after donald trump was declared the winner this morning in battleground nevada. how he flipped the state red after falling short there the last two times around. that conversation is just ahead on "morning joe." around. that conversation is just ahead on "morning joe. you're eligible for medicare, it's a good idea to have original medicare.

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highlighting the bravery and sacrifices of the united states' fighting forces over the past 80 years. the book titled "american heros" features gripping firsthand accounts on the battlefield. joining us, the book's coauthors, james patterson and matt everson. this is their second book together. the first "walk in my combat boots, true stories from america's bravest" was released in 2021. tell us about the genesis of this book and your own experiences in combat. >> yeah. that's a great question. this is all jim's idea from the beginning, this idea of how do we tell the stories of these brave american sons and daughters.

i could only add combat is such a unique experience. it's tense, it's zero to scary in a second. it all erupts and it's so unbelievably overwhelming. you find yourself in this moment where i've got to take action, then you realize it's not enough. these guys and gals do the next thing. >> how close were you in mogadishu? he said this close. that's the reality of what these men and women do. >> how do you translate that to the printed page? >> he did most of the interviews. he's been through it, but these stories blow his mind. matt and i talked to about -- you know, you guys do baseball.

we got the dodgers and the yankees and kansas city. the best day ohtani ever did, pitched a shutout, two home runs, it does not compare to these stories. >> the thing that's interesting is that these men and women are self-deprecating to a fault. when you start talking to them, hey, tell me a little bit of your story, they're like i didn't really do anything, they did it. >> but you found it that way in real combat. >> it's true. these men and women, again, they would tell you i did it for everybody else and i just did what needed to be done. they say it so humbly, it's so motivating. >> one got the medal of honor. he put the grenade in his pocket and he lived. stories like that. one guy a helicopter wouldn't

come in to pick up the wounded, and he ran out in the field. he said, if i can stand here, you can land here. >> we were thankful for help from the congressional medal of honor society to get living recipients of the medal of honor. then it was friends and friends of friends. we sort of spread a wide net. these stories, one's as good as the next. the editing piece -- thankfully i wouldn't have to do anything about who makes the cut, but they were all amazing. one i have to highlight is colonel ralph puckett. he's the only interview of all the books we did -- and sadly he passed away before publication. he was just amazing, korean war

veteran. he was the last remaining korean war medal recipient. he fought off the chinese army, fixed bayonets kind of stuff. his rangers came back up and carried him off the hill. >> right now we need heros, not necessarily to do that, but small things. it's about us. it's not about me. >> i was in the white house. barely a dry high. the new book "american heros" is on sale now. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." ale now. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." don't mind me. i'm just the flu.

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♪♪ beautiful shot of seattle at 6:00 a.m. on the west coast. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 9:00 a.m. in the east. donald trump's transition into the white house is under way with the president-elect selecting his chief of staff, this as president biden makes his first comments on the election. we have two reports for you this hour, starting with kristen welker. >> reporter: this morning, president-elect donald trump is preparing for his historic return to the white house in an exclusive interview, telling nbc news he believes he has a mandate to bring common sense back to the country. he said one of his first priorities, to make the border strong and powerful. asked about his campaign promise to deport millions of undocumented immigrants, mr. trump insisted his

administration would have, quote, no choice. but how much would it cost? the president-elect saying there is no price tag. >> we're going to have to seal up those borders and let people come into our country, but they have to come in legally. >> reporter: it all comes as the president-elect begins to put the pieces in place for his next administration. his campaign manager suzy wild set to serve as chief of staff, a move that will make her the first ever woman to hold the position. mr. trump praising her on election night. >> suzy, the ice maiden. she's not in the background. >> reporter: for attorney general, multiple sources tell nbc news mr. trump is look at missouri senator eric schmitt as

well as matt whitaker who served as the top of the doj in his first administration. he's also eyeing senator marco rubio, whose name has been floated for several top cabinet jobs. >> donald trump makes that decision, and he makes good decisions about the people that work for him. i've not talked to them about it. >> reporter: one current government official who says he's not going anywhere, federal reserve chairman jerome powell, whose term runs until may of 2026. if he asked you to leave, would you go? >> no. >> reporter: the message from american voters was crystal clear. speaking publicly for the first time since the election, so was president biden. >> on january 20th, we'll have a peaceful transfer of power here in america. >> reporter: while defending his administration's accomplishments and legacy, he praised vice president harris. >> she has a backbone like a ramrod. >> reporter: though he struck a unifying tone in the speech, during the campaign biden

described president-elect trump in stark terms. >> he's a threat to our democracy. >> reporter: the white house responding to the shift in rhetoric. >> i think that the president was very clear what he stated and was very honest. what we are trying to do is respect what the american people decided. we're not trying to cause any divisions here. >> reporter: the democrats themselves are now divided as they try to chart a path forward, some speaking out about the impact of liberal voices on the party. >> the far left has an outsized microphone and has an outsized perception in shaping the message of the democratic party. >> we don't know how to address voters. we address latino voters as latin x. it makes them think we don't live on the same planet as they do. stop with the virtue signaling and just speak to people like

they're normal. >> reporter: senator elizabeth warren writing in a new op-ed, if democrats want to earn back to trust of working people and govern again, we need to convince voters we can and will unrig the economy. the party now trying to move on from a crushing defeat. >> message received from the american people. they want us to get some things done. not talk about bills from the past, not talk about things that happened that somehow aren't relevant to their lives. they need people to stand with them. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez with that report. we have jen psaki, peter baker, bob woodward and lauren leader. jonathan lemire is with us as well, of course. joe, here we are. where do we go from here? >> we go to bob woodward,

because bob woodward has been around donald trump for most of the past decade writing backs about him. where do you think this country is as we move toward a second trump term? >> well, i think it's going to be a great test for lots of institutions, including the media. yesterday morning i had over for breakfast will lewis, who's the ceo of the "washington post," matt murray, who's the editor. they are committed to being very aggressive to look at what trump might be doing. but i think the motto is no cheap shots, that we have to be really steadfast in the report reporting, but get out some of the politicization of the commentary and stick to the

facts. i know they're committed to doing that. the "washington post" is a strong institution and i think in coming months it's going to get stronger. >> speaking of facts, let's talk about some of the things donald trump said during the campaign, some of the promises he made. based on your reporting, based on your knowledge of donald trump as a leader and someone who lost the election in 2020 but said he should have stayed in power. what should americans make of donald trump saying that he was going to arrest liz cheney or put her in front of a firing squad, that he was going to arrest mark milley, that he was going to shut down cbs news. i could go on and on. there are, of course, a thousand things that he said that many people found shocking. right now you have people in and

out of government trying to figure out, was that just donald trump on the campaign trail talking, or should he be taken at his word? his own supporters say, oh, he doesn't mean any of that, he's just saying that to rev up the crowd. based on your knowledge, if you were mark milley or liz cheney or cbs news, would you be worried right now? >> well, of course you're going to be worried. trump hasn't changed. i spent the last year of his presidency interviewing him for nine hours, how he handled the coronavirus. and it was tragic. he doesn't understand lots of things. he likes to smash things up. so he's in for a fight. there's a lot of handwringing in the democratic party now. the democratic party needs to

come back to life. the news media is going to be there. there's going to be that tradition of accountability. i know your network, the other television networks, so we're going to have a fight, but let's keep it factual. again, at least what i'm going to try to practice is no cheap shots. at the same time, the aggressiveness of the reporting is going to be endless. it is going to be monumenmonume. we're going to be measured. when i say me, we, the news media. the country is going to be measured by how do we deal with this. he is somebody i got to know him well. and he just does not understand lots of things.

does he have people that he will bring in who will maybe help him understand? >> no. >> so, bob, you say you had time and that's why i'm asking you these questions. so, again, when donald trump says that he's going to put the military and the national guard out to arrest people like nancy pelosi and the next senator from the state of california, is that, again, based on your knowledge of donald trump, is that a credible threat? is that a credible concern? or is this just hyperbole, as a lot of trump supporters say, oh, he just says that, he doesn't really mean it? based on your knowledge, what is it? >> well, there are a lot of people in that example in the military who are just not going to do it. they will not go along with --

>> i'm asking about donald trump. if you don't want to state an opinion, i can move on, bob. i'm asking you based on your knowledge of donald trump, i'm asking you to just report the news here, to give us insight, because you have better insight. are these credible threats at this point, or was that just donald trump trying to whip up his crowd by talking about the military arresting democrats? >> but, joe, you're asking me to predict the future. >> no. i'm asking for your insight. >> you know who he is. >> i know who you are. so if somebody asked me about bob woodward's reporting, do you think bob has it right, i go yeah, because i know bob does multiple sources. if somebody asked me about jen psaki, i would take my experience knowing jen psaki and i would say, yeah, you can take that to the bank that what she's

saying is the case. i'm just saying when a guy who's running for president says he's going to use the military to arrest nancy pelosi and adam schiff, all i'm asking is, based on your knowledge of him as a reporter, based on how he governed, should those people be seeing that as a credible threat right now? >> indeed worried, because there is immense, as we know, concentration of power in the president. he can do all kinds of things. i know those generals. i know somebody like secretary of defense austin. he's not going to be pushed around. now, trump will find somebody else to do it. these institutions are strong. trump is going to run into them, and it may be a fight. okay. let's have the fight about it.

i know these people, particularly in the military. they are not going to be pushed around, and they will be in the oval office, if he will have them and say, you can't do this, you should not do this. now, is trump going to be trump? quite possibly. >> right. trump's going -- bob, trump is going to be trump with immunity. >> well, immunity in what way? >> uh -- >> not immunity from -- >> from the supreme court. >> well, no, not fully yet. look, he's not going to get immunity for the people who are there. there's strength in -- you're exactly right. he may power overall of this, and he may try. he also may -- let's have a path

of optimism here -- he's going to realize that he's got an opportunity to do some of the things rhetorically he talks about being president of all the people. we'll see. this is going to be a fight. don't worry about it being a fight, because the people in the institutions are stronger. can he overpower them? can he use the power of the presidency to destroy our constitution and our legal system? we get to watch and see what that effort might be. but let's not kid ourselves. he's dangerous. he is somebody i spent hours interviewing. he just does not understand things, does not understand the responsibility of the president. is he going to learn?

i mean, i'm really interested. who is he going to appoint as his secretary of defense, his secretary of state, his national security advisors? those will be clues. but don't be afraid of a knock-down, drag-out fight if that's what we're going to have. we've had them in the united states before. there are -- i know this. you know this. a lot of strong people out there who believe in the rule of law and the u.s. constitution. >> mm-hm. >> all right. bob woodward, wise words. thank you so much for being with us. as always, we greatly appreciate it. so jonathan lemire, a couple ofl of things. first of all, i don't think any of us know the answer to those questions. sometimes he goes off at

campaign rallies, and he doesn't implement what he says he might be implementing. you know, he said he was going to balance the budget and pay down the national debt to zero his first term. that didn't happen. so there are a lot of promises he makes and other polyclonal antibody cocktail politicians make on the campaign trail. some of these more ominous ones about using the military to arrest nancy pelosi and adam schiff or going after liz cheney or mark milley obviously causes concern. people are asking the question right now, is he going to do it, or was that just hyperbole? his supporters overwhelmingly think it's hyperbole. so we will see. bob brought up something else that was very interesting. that is donald trump said he's going to try to bring the country together. he's sitting now at a position he's never been at before, and that is at 50%, 51%.

he actually has the ability, the possibility to actually grow a majority and to grow a governing majority. there's some people that say he can't stand success. that when he gets in a good position, he loves chaos, he loves blowing things up. now that he's on the other side of 50%, does he blow it up? or does he think, hey, i've got the majority, maybe i can have a governing coalition and get a lot of things done without some of the ugly fights. again, all guesswork, but you covered him for six, seven, eight years, what are the answers to the questions i just asked bob woodward? >> often past is prologue. he had a unified republican government before. he has it again now. yes, there are some things he

says on the campaign trail that are nonsense and have no chance of actually happening. mexico was not going to pay for a wall between the united states and mexico. but there were other things he was stopped from going. he wanted to take on the unrest during the summer of 2020. mark milley, secretary of defense esper and others talked him out of it. that's what's different this time around. the belief is those guardrails are not going to exist. he's going to surround himself with people who are just going to take his orders and implement them. the if the secretary of defense is given an order, odds are it's going to be carried out. it sure seems like, at least to start with, we need to take trump at his word that he's

going to try these things at least. >> i think that's right. when we say, well, he said a lot of stuff, he doesn't do them. what's bluster and what are those that he follows through? in 2016, during that campaign he led rallies that chanted "lock her up" about hillary clinton, and he said i'm going to put you in jail when he was on the debate stage with her. after the election, he struck a different tone. he came and visited the "new york times" editorial board and said, no i'm not going to do that, she's been through enough. then he threatened to do it anyway. even if he comes in on january 20th and says i want to unify the country, let's move on, i've won. he has no reason to come after his enemies because he's won the vindication that he sought these last four years to prove that he really should be president,

according to voters. he even got the popular vote. so he has a lot to feel good about and possibly says, yeah, let's go ahead and move on, but you can't count on that being a permanent state of affairs with him. in the next few months, the next year, the next four years, he grows angry at something somebody says or does and says let's go after them again, and this time it may actually happen. remember, there are a lot of people whose lives were upended by actions by his administration because he didn't think they were loyal enough to him. >> remember, his campaign promises retribution. when he was presented a moment for unity before, he's never taken it, including during the covid pandemic. >> we've had a lot of interesting conversations, and we will more about how the democrats fell short, what happened, where the democrats need to dig deep and regroup.

what does the fight for women look like now for women's rights, women's health care, women's freedom and that within how the democratic party moves forward? >> there were silver linings in tuesday. seven states passed abortion referendums. we talked about before -- [ indiscernible ] >> it actually shows that tangible issues did break through. >> absolutely. >> when you're talking about fascism and issues that are too difficult to comprehend when you're working every day and it doesn't impact you. it's the tangible issues, how women were impacted physically by trump's first term and then the price of, you know, eggs. >> right. when people think somebody's going to win, they'll vote for one president of one party and try to check their power. it seems like voters did that

with those referendums. they serve as a check on what his party might do to push further abortion restrictions. the battle for america -- many of the state legislatures hold the keys to american freedoms and i think people are newly understanding that. notably, in pennsylvania, where we had this shocking sort of sweep. bob casey losing, all of this, the pennsylvania state legislature remained democratic, and that just was called last night. >> i don't think they thought it was going to be close. >> they didn't think it was going to be close. i wanted to say this because i've been thinking about it so much this week. i've been wrong about a bunch of things and i think we're all kind of taking stock of what we got wrong. the numbers turned out that women, of course, did vote for

trump in huge numbers, but really the big dividing line, these gender lines are very real, but so is the education divide. that's one of these places where democrats is less about the working class and more about education and the fact that college is not accessible for millions of miles per hours, and yet we set that up as the ultimate bar of success. >> same with homeowner ship. >> what happened on college campuses this year, think about that. so you're supposed to want me to aspire to this thing i can't afford that's $90,000 a year, and then i'm going to get there and deal with this crazy backlash to dissent. we've got to figure out what happened, why the men in this country are so angry and so willing to sign on for something that is against the interest of the women in their lives. >> jen psaki, your thoughts? >> i've also been reflecting on all of the things the party got

wrong. it's an important moment to reflect and be humble about that and also be curious as to why. we completely misread abortion politics in this country. what i mean by that is not that it isn't an issue that people deeply care about. they clearly do. obviously those seven referendums are an example of that. millions of people in this country voted for donald trump, a person who put in place the people on the supreme court who overturned abortion rights and also voted to protect abortion rights. that was a huge misread. the other thing i think democrats and people who voted for harris and are scared about trump should be sober and curious about is why did people move toward trip and why did democrats not come out and turn out for kamala harris and the democrats? there were many headwinds here. there's sexism, there's racism.

all of that is a true. but i hope there's a real question about who people are listening to. in my view, there was an over listening to people who left trump, not people who left the democratic party. the people who left the democratic party are the people who are going to win in the future. the never trumpers who have important voices, that's not the winning coalition. the last thing i'll say, because i've been thinking about this a lot, part of that piece, the who you're listening to is also this argument -- you just touched on this, mika -- about fascism. fascism and the threat of democracy is a huge issue in this country. journalists should talk about it. it is not a good can closing message to reach the masses of the country. people don't relate to it. it's not understanding. okay.

i said that was the last thing. the last thing is this, there are moments -- i know joe was talking about this earlier. i worked for john kerry when he lost president bush. that was a real how did that happen moment. i worked when the democrats won back the house. that was two years later. then i worked for barack obama, who no one would have bet was going to be the next nominee or president. as lost as people feel, a vacuum is an opportunity to rethink, to be curious, to be humble. i think people are feeling i'm hopeful. ten people will emerge. that's what we will also see in the months ahead. >> i love what you just said, because i'm a huge believer in humility, in victory and

humility in defeat. we've all heard the saying you're never as good as people say you are or never as bad as people say you are. >> true. >> when you win, i will say if harris had won the race, i would be lecturing democrats that they needed to keep humble and bring their heads down and bring the country together in defeat. jen, i want to follow up on something you said, because what democrats need to be asking is why did so many people stay home and not vote? >> yes. >> two numbers. first number is 12 million less people voted for kamala harris than joe biden. but here's the kicker. are you ready for this? donald trump got 4 million votes

less, jen, this year than he got four years ago. if democrats had turned out and independents and republicans, if they had a message -- and by the way, this is so -- i'm going to say it right here. this is such a shared defeat. anybody looking at kamala harris or jen o'malley dillon are looking in the wrong direction. they need to look in the mirror and look at the democratic party that has been offending working class americans for 30 years now. and, jen, how shocking is it that, again, donald trump got 4 million votes less, and now

democrats are going, oh my gosh, this is the greatest landslide of all time, how did it happen? it happened because they stayed home or because a lot of voters that voted for her last time stayed home. forgive me for going on, but this is an important point. we can look at hispanics and go, oh my god, how many hispanics voted for donald trump and how many black men voted for donald trump. he's still got 4 million less votes in 2024 than he got in 2020 so they would have easily made that up, but they didn't come out and vote in what many of us thought was the most important election of our lifetime. >> no doubt. i will say for people who are hype ventilating at home, all the votes are not counted yet, so those gaps won't narrow a bit. there were headwinds. kamala harris made up a lot of

ground if there hadn't been a change at the top of the ticket. this was not a vote because donald trump has won over 10 million more votes than he did four years ago. there were people who did not feelmotivated, connected to the democratic party. there's a lot of diagnosing out there of what's happening here. everybody needs to be a little bit more humble than all of those diagnoses right now. young people didn't turn out, progressives didn't turn out, people who should have found the left heejing message to be al peeging to me, the elected officials are the governors, the elected officials. we have to start listening to what people are saying. why did they feel disconnected?

why can't the party not connect? it's not a problem with the product necessarily. it's a problem with how it is being sold. it is a problem with how it's being connected. look, i'm a college-educated white woman clearly. the message is geared toward me. i do think for people who are feeling hopeless and powerless in this moment, you are not powerless. that's why i wanted to mention when the democrats flipped the house in 2006, when barack obama emerged. they're not powerless. when donald trump was elected, people called their members of congress, they went to meetings. they said, absolutely not, you cannot take away my health insurance. guess what?

it didn't happen. every fight cannot be won, but nobody's powerless sitting on their couch right now. there are people who are going to emerge we're not even talking about right now. as much as there needs to be reflection, there is also power in this moment too. >> people going, they're too this or too that. you don't know. i am so glad that jim brought up 2004, because i remember after democrats lost in 2004 and i think probably the most suppressed democrats have been around manhattan from what willie geist has reported to me probably since -- up until now. but i remember a book came out where i thought the title was the epitome of arrogance. democrats lose, about the

best-selling back is called "what's the matter with kansas"? i sat there looking at the back title going maybe this is why democrats lose. instead of asking what's the matter with kansas, maybe the correct answer is what's the matter with the democratic party. and 20 years later, we're back there again. >> there's going to be a lot of soul searching and blood letting. all the normal rules of politics would suggest that's not a hard contest. yet obviously democrats lost and have to wonder why. it's worth remembering though, to jen's point, politics is cyclical. if you go back to 1974 after

watergate and you could not imagine the republicans would be back in the white house in just six years and was such an extraordinary figure. bill clinton said this is a relinement. four years later, of course george w. bush wins the white house. same, by the way, i never listened to push's people after that race. republicans are going to be doing well for a long time. four years later barack obama is there. you're right. the election is important. people who try to diagnose it and say they need to be more this and more that. at the same time, people end up fighting the last war of they

produced all the things they were doing wrong. donald trump did exactly the opposite and was politically successful. we don't really know what's going to be the way to turn things around for democrats, and -- >> peter baker, lauren leader, thank you both very much. jen psaki, thank you as well. coming up, the federal reserve lowered interest rates by a quarter percentage point yesterday, its second cut in as many months. stephanie ruhle joins us next. and jerome powell's comments

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some of the president-elect's advisors have suggested that you should resign. if he asked you to leave, would you go? >> no. >> do you think that legally he cannot require you to leave? >> no. >> do you believe the president has the power to fire or demote you, and has the fed determined the legality of it? >> not permitted under the law. >> that was federal reserve chairman jerome powell answering questions yesterday after the central bank announced another rate cut. donald trump, who appointed

powell when he was president in 2017, has repeatedly threatened to fire him. let's bring in andrew ross sorkin. and stephanie ruhle. >> i think he was very direct. i think it was purposeful, the questions were purposeful, the answers were purposeful. in case anybody thinks there's something going on that's unlikely to go on, i think what he's effectively saying is, you come for me, we're going to court over this. also worth noting, it's very unlikely that in a court case they could win. the different question is you heard that he's talked about this idea of trying to appoint

somebody in advance and they become sort of like a shadow. even if there was somebody appointed in advance, they don't become a shadow because they're not on the board. >> no. but the markets could be paying attention to what it was anticipating. powell is kind of the new fauci. he had to perform a herculean task. donald trump is going to want to keep money as cheap as possible, rates as low as possible. he doesn't want the fed to be independent. he made back off, because donald trump is going to be stepping into an administration where the economy is going very, very well. so this idea that he's coming for jay powell, i'm not sure that's the case. >> yes. joe, jump in.

>> stephanie, as far as the comparison between jay powell and anthony fauci, anthony fauci worked at the pleasure of the president, right? jay powell can say exactly that, i'm not going anywhere, right? he could name anybody, but it's jay powell and the fed that has the power to adjust rates, correct? >> yes, but what if the republican-controlled senate says we're going to change the rules? yes. given what the current framework is and the current rules are, jay powell can say pound salt, this is my job, you have no control over me for now. we know how donald trump feels about independents and we know he's going to have a great deal of power, because republicans won up and down the ticket. the exact roles could change. >> if there really is this red wave across the board, the governor on all of this is going

to be bond investors. the bond market is going to say, uh-uh, we're not having this. one of the things they're not having is a non-independent fed. i think from a practical perspective if the president-elect is going to be practical about it, i think he's going to say -- even if he wants to do something about it he's going to be forced to back off because the markets are going say, we're not doing this. >> that's a great point. we've been asking this morning what has incoming president trump said on the campaign trail that he's going to follow through on? what are the very things that are going to hold him back. we just talked about bond markets. i'm reminded of one of my favorite lines from a woodward book. he was talking about bill clinton's first couple of years and making the decision that he was going to have to raise

taxes. oh, it was greenspan who said, dude he didn't do that, but he could have because he's a jazz player. it's like, duet, you can't let these deficits go up because of the bond markets. bill clinton said, you mean my presidency is going to be defined by the bond markets? and chairman greenspan said, in fact, yes, they are. say what you will about donald trump. donald trump will also know that. and if he doesn't know it, he'll get a thousand calls from wall street telling him that, right? >> 100%. we saw this play out in so many other ways. think about obama. there was a point where he would have loved to go withen different spending plans.

focus i think as the tax issue gets played out, as the tariff issue gets played out, all of that is going to be -- >> it's the quiet daddy with the bat phone that says no, no, no -- [ indiscernible ] >> crystallizes things. >> she does. i'm jealous. [ indiscernible ] >> what is the quiet daddy with the bat phone? >> we're talking about the bond market. this is what deficits are going to do. that actually sets this whole system. you don't hear about it every day. you hear about individual stocks and companies. that's what actually sets this agenda. at the end of the day, donald trump is going to take those calls from the people who know best. >> and we have right now -- i've

been talking about this my whole adult life and i'm getting tired of talking about it. we now have a $35 trillion national debt. i will just say to all those progressive economists who say it doesn't matter, that's what you tried to tell us about inflation an how deficits and big spending didn't add to inflation and it has shaken this country to its core over the past years. debt matters. over $35 trillion, our national debt, this cannot, as i have been saying for 25 years, this cannot continue. >> look, this is a confidence game. at some point what i have always worried about is bond investors are going to say we're not doing this anymore and we're not confident you can pay back this money. it's not that we have to pay

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♪♪ welcome back. 52 past the hour. among the many stories to be told about donald trump's win is las vegas. in clark county, nevada, barack obama, hillary clinton and joe biden all carried that county by significant margins. clark has an electorate that is heavily latino. but in this election, with nearly all votes counted, trump has brought kamala harris to within three points. those gains were seen nationwide with trump winning a record amount of support from the latino community. joining us from las vegas is nbc news correspondent david noriega, who has been following a nevada latino family for months throughout the campaign, until right after election day. david, what did you learn?

>> reporter: good morning. so, the electorate here in las vegas is what we used to think of as the democratic coalition, very young, very working class, very latino. and as you pointed out, the dem candidate has carried clark county by roughly 15 points going back to 2008, barack obama. this time trump nearly wiped away that advantage, and that's a sign of our national shifting political landscape. mar row and mira found the american dream in las vegas. >> would you like some coffee? >> reporter: they came to the u.s. from guatemala in the '80s, with his job at the supermarket and hers at a casino, they bought a house and raised three children. now they wonder if their kids and grandkids will inherit their dream? >> is it possible? >> that's my concern. what's going to happen to a new generation? they're not able to move out of their houses anymore because everything is so expensive. >> life wasn't expensive as it

is right now. >> reporter: we first met mario back in february when he was seriously considering a vote for donald trump. he was undecided, with previous votes for george w. bush, obama, hillary clinton and biden. at the last minute, he broke for kamala harris. but today he's not upset about the results. >> i'm kind of like more happy than upset. why? because donald trump is going to help the country with the economy. >> reporter: the whole household is happy. she and her 29-year-old son did vote for trump. >> initially i did not agree with him. and then i started to see he's not afraid to speak his mind and was not scared to say what he felt, regardless of what people would say. and i think i respect that about him. >> so you liked his kind of brashness? >> i would say yes. >> reporter: they're not alone. across the country, donald trump made huge inroads with latino

voters. according to nbc exit polls, 55% of latino men nationwide voted for trump, a 19 point jump from 2020. among latino women, an eight point gain. and while vice president harris won a slight majority of the latino vote overall, trump increased his support 14 points from the last election. the top issue among latino voters, like for the alvarez family, the economy, with immigration a distant fourth. they both crossed the border illegally as teenagers, but became citizens under ronald reagan's amnesty. they see themselves different from the migrants coming in today. >> the people coming here are the criminals, you know. the ones that did something bad in their country. they're running away. >> reporter: despite having close family members who are undocumented, they don't believe they'll end up in trump's cross hairs. >> when you hear trump promise

mass deportations, do you wear about them? >> yes and no. the ones i know, they're doing good, not breaking any laws. >> i believe he's going to start deporting all the bad people. >> reporter: trump won over the alvarez family and many like them. whether the economy improves and who exactly he chooses to deport may determine if he keeps them. >> my family is latino and a lot of them are immigrants. but at the end of the day, we're american. >> reporter: now, a majority of latinos did vote against donald trump, and it's important to remember that for every family like the alvarez family, there are also latino families that are now deeply concerned about what a second trump administration has in store for them and their loved ones. >> nbc news correspondent, david noriega, thank you for that report. jonathan lemire, what a week. your final thoughts this morning. >> a historic week and the democratic party has a lot of soul searching to do to rebuild. in the short-term, the nation and world need to prepare for the return of donald trump to

the white house. a donald trump who got away with so much and comes back in with the wind at his back, a mandate and a supreme court that will let him do basically whatever he wants. >> that does it for us this morning. we will see you monday. ana cabrera picks up the coverage after a quick final break. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks.

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