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unwritten, the key races critical to the future of our nation, and donald trump's second term. where things stand with those uncalled races and the battle over one in particular. and secret's out, the warning from some former intelligence officials about what donald trump's return to the white house could mean for the future of the cia. amsterdam attack, right now, israeli plans are heading to amsterdam to rescue israeli nationals who were caught up in what israeli and dutch officials are calling anti-semitic attacks around a soccer match between the two countries. the video showing mobs chasing and beating israeli soccer supporters. plus, when what's mine is yours, or maybe not. a judge blasting rudy giuliani for not turning over his assets to two georgia poll workers who won a defamation case against him, and giuliani not going quietly. >> had every bit of property that they want is available is they're entitled to it.

now, the law says they're not entitled to a lot of it. >> our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments and we begin with all of those outstanding congressional races, including a pretty big legal back and forth in the pennsylvania senate race. nbc's ali vitali is here. get us up to speed. >> look, this is a legal back and forth over about 15,000 ballots in the area of philadelphia. that's one of the democratic strongholds, and that sort of speaks to the continued battle over these votes. you look at the fact that in our latest race totaling, and again, we haven't called this pennsylvania senate race that there is about a 30,000 vote gap between dave mccormick, the republican challenger, and senator bob casey, a difference of 36,000 votes. what we're talking about here is 15,000 votes in pennsylvania where the mccormick campaign is suing over the so-called provisional ballots, the casey campaign is saying they need to see as each of these votes is cured and counted.

provisional ballots required an extra step, chris, and i know you know this, you have covered protracted elections too. they need to be cured, make sure the signatures match and voters are who they say they are. any number of difficulties voters might have initially than have to be cured after the fact. that's what the hold up in the tranche of 15,000 votes in pennsylvania. broadening out, the pennsylvania senate race one of the balance of power races that we're still waiting on to see called. the implications that it would have on the senate would be how big the majority is there. the house, though, as you can see on the screen, currently not called. there's 24 races outstanding and each party is still in a race to try to get to the magic number of 218. whoever gets there, of course, wins the majority. it looks like when you look at this chart and, of course, the races that are still outstanding, democrats are holding out hope for a narrow slice of races that could cut their way and could give them

the majority. the best case scenario there is that it's a democrat plus one majority. extremely thin. but republicans are very much in an operating mindset, chris, that this is their majority to keep for the next two years. again, they see their own paths based on the 26 races that remain uncalled at this point. both parties are sort of holding their breath to see, a, who actually gets this majority, and, b, how much they have it by. because we have seen the reality of thin margins here for the last two years. that is only going to continue and get more tricky if the margin itself keeps shrinking. >> to summarize those thin margins, it isn't pretty. ali vitali, thank you so much, my friend. have a good weekend. let's go now to the growing concerns by former intelligence officials about president-elect trump's plans for the cia. nbc's dan de luce is following this for us. what are these officials warning about? >> i think the concern is here that there will be a plit

-- politicalization, that partisan will be in senior positions and instead of being neutral and apolitical become politicized and skewed to fit the white house's agenda, and of course there's a worst case scenario, a la richard nixon where maybe there would be an attempt to turn the intel agencies as tools to go after domestic political opponents. that's a worst case scenario. perhaps a more likely outcome here is that you could have a brain drain, depending on who gets appointed to the cia and odni, where perhaps experienced official career civil servants decide to leave, retire early. we'll have to see who gets named. i think a lot will come down to who is named to these top positions at cia and director of national intelligence. >> dan de luce, thank you for that. rudy giuliani failed to meet

a court ordered deadline to surrender assets. lisa rubin joins us now. what exactly is happening, and what happens next? >> rudy giuliani has already been ordered to turn over a list of particular assets to ruby freeman and shaye moss to whom he owns $160 million based on a defamation that was adjudicated last year. rudy giuliani didn't comply with the order, and now judge lewis lineman, a federal judge in manhattan ordered that rudy provide them late next week or he could face contempt of court, which is not only the possibility of severe fines, but the possibility of jail. when rudy makes statements to our nbc news, for example, that it's not fair to claim some of these assets, that's already been decided. ruby freeman and shaye moss are not only entitled to his new york apartment but a 1980

mercedes-benz, driving in florida. framed, joe dimaggio jersey, and valuables, including his grandfather's watch. rudy giuliani might not like that. that is the state of the law, even as he appeals the underlying judgment, chris. >> lisa rubin, thank you. more to come on that. let's go to the breaking news overseas now. israeli nationals at the soccer match, caught in what both israeli and dutch officials are calling anti-semitic attacks. nbc's meagan fitzgerald is reporting from amsterdam. what's the latest from there, megan? >> reporter: i can tell you, we are learning more and more information from city officials who held a press conference earlier today. look, tensions in the city were rising over the last several days, leading up to that soccer match that we saw last night. according to the police chief, he says that, you know, there were some israeli fans that set alight a palestinian flag, that they attacked a taxicab. but it was after that game,

according to the mayor, that all hell broke loose as the mayor calls it. that's when, of course speaking with many of the israeli citizens and fans today, they said that's when things really quickly turned, when they were taking that train coming from the stadium, going back into the center city, that's when things went awry. they walked outside the cab, and they say they were confronted by people who hurt them, harmed them, beat them up. people started running down allies, running down canals, trying to run into hotels for safety. this was a terrifying incident, as you can imagine, for the people that were involved, and it also brought up reminders of a very painful past. i want you to listen to a little bit of what prime minister benjamin netanyahu said earlier today. okay. it looks like we don't have that sound. in fact, i'm going to try and

see if i can read for you. tomorrow, 86 years ago was when jews were attacked for being jews. this is what happened, this is only one difference. the state of the jews has arisen. we need to deal with it. you know, this is certainly a sentiment that was felt among the people that we spoke with today, being reminded of something that happened to their grandparents' generation. and, you know, we're hearing also from the king, for example, of the netherlands. very disappointed. very embarrassed that the city is seeing something like this, and they are vowing to make sure that this never happens again, chris. >> meagan fitzgerald, thank you so much. republicans are starting to strategize on how to remake the nation's supreme court. what if anything democrats plan to do to stop those changes. we're back in 90 seconds. 're bas

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conservative justices to the country's highest court. nbc's sahil kapur has new reporting from capitol hill. julie and basil are with me here in studio. what are you hearing from republicans on the hill about the supreme court? >> reporter: hey, chris, well, we know that confirming judges is going to be a high priority for this new republican senate majority. they will have at least 52 seats. they might pad that a little bit, given some of the remaining races that are still too close to call, that we haven't projected yet. they only need a simple majority to confirm judges and justices. they are not going to be able to, or democrats are not going to be able to do anything to stop them. they'll have plenty of lower court vacancies to fill. naturally there's a lot of attention being paid to the supreme court, and rumor mill, specifically with justice clarence thomas, and samuel alito, the two conservative members of the court. some believe they might see this moment as a prime opportunity to retire and secure their seats in

conservative hands for a generation or two. numerous republican senators say they expect at least one if not two supreme court valentine's day -- court a vacancies in his second term. he will have appointed five justices, a majority of the entire supreme court. no president since fdr has done that. fdr needed four terms as president to do that. who are conservatives watching the most closely, take a look at what mike davis, a conservative legal adviser and a provocateur who's dialled into this world told me. quote, i imagine that justice alito will want to get the hell out of d.c. as quickly as possible, unquote. what criteria are they going to use. they will certainly look to trump's first term, who want young and conservative judges and justices. mr. davis also says that trump will look for judges who are quote, even more bold and fearless. i asked what that means. judges will follow the law and not care what the liberal media says about them. there are wild cards, john

roberts turned 70 in january. nobody knows what his plans are. he's known to care about the reputation of the supreme court. and there are democratic anxieties as well about liberal justice sonia sotomayor, who's 70 right now. within hours of nbc calling the presidential race, i got an unsolicited text from an official in the biden administration, quote, sonia sotomayor needs to retire once more. they want democrats to confirm her while she has power. if she doesn't stay on the court for another four years, trump could extend the majority to 7-2. chris. >> sahil, thank you so much for that. basil, let's not sugar coat anything, donald trump has singularly had one of the biggest influences on the court's writ large, of any president. 234 federal judges appointed in the first term. there could be, as sahil first

pointed out, five members of the supreme court, what does this all mean. >> well, just to say, joe biden has not been a slouch either. it's 220 or a little bit more he has been able to appoint. i think the concern is very real. as you said, the judges of the supreme court are going to shape the court for a generation, not just a couple of years, for a generation. i understand the anxiety, particularly coming off the rbg years and the concern around whether or not she should have retired. sonia sotomayor is the first latino, extraordinarily sharp, and looks like as a nonlegal person, the kind of questions that she asked and the ways in which she and the two other liberal justices have been able to talk and collaborate justice kagan, and talk and collaborate. it sounds like they're strong and active and know exactly what they're doing. some others have to talk about whether or not she should retire. i'm not of that mindset. >> does it show just how little control the left feels?

>> absolutely. it shows how little control, it shows concern. it's a reminder that elections matter, and i would also add that we need to actually start paying attention to the pipeline of judges, going all the way to local and state courts because those are processes that most people know nothing about, but are so important because they actually do provide the kind of pipeline that's important. by the time, you know, they get to these appointments, you can get the ideology you're looking for. >> if donald trump gets five members of the supreme court who he appointed, what does that mean in your view. >> you can say good buy to a lot of the rights you enjoy. potential ivf is gone, marital equality, environmental regulations are gone. your water, your safety, i mean, all of this will be gone. it's already gone, by the way, he's already got that majority. he doesn't need a swing justice anymore. he has his justices on the courts.

i don't know who the republicans are looking for to be more bold and fearless about not caring what the media has to say. alito and thomas are doing what they want to do. the nightmare is here. and where i would slightly disagree with basil is, yes, sonia sotomayor is incredibly accomplished, 70 is not old. she's deeply qualified, and so on and forth, but if we have the opportunity to put somebody on that bench who's 50 for another generation, which sonia sotomayor just statistically is not going to be there for another generation. basic match. we should take the opportunity now because god help us if something happens and donald trump gets three appointments to the supreme court. >> what about that argument. there are a lot of folks who still all these years later are stung by the fact that someone who did so much for the left, and represented so much to women as you rightly pointed out.

sonia sotomayor, one of three women who have been on the u.s. supreme court, then they feel she stayed too long, and it really really cost them. >> i get it. i totally get it. there are legal minds that would be able to weigh in on how on the work she's doing and her ability to continue to do that. i'm not that person. i will say that the fact that we have somebody there that is latino, that represents that community, but also has talked about and can represent the issues and ideology of at least half of this country, i'm not that quick to say she should step down. i don't want to be quick to do that. >> do you think they could pull it off. they would have to have a lame duck session, right? they would have to push it through. >> they'd have to do it. i don't know if they can. let's get real. there are other women. i'd love to have another woman

on the court. there are other latinos, this is not a knock on her. no more than it was a knock on ruth bader ginsburg who was an incredible jurist and icon to a lot of women, including me. she should have gone a lot earlier than she did because look what we were left with after she passed away sadly. and i don't want to sit here and say, because we don't want to disrespect women or latinos, there is a deep bench of women and latinos and anything else that you might want to expect who are in their 40s and 50s who could fill that seat. it does not need to continue to be filled by somebody who may give donald trump yet another opportunity to fill that court seat. >> look, i'm not agnostic about it. we have to think seriously about that path forward. i would also say that the senate actually has a little time to start actually confirming judges right now. and that very small window is about to expire, and i think one

of the things that chuck schumer is thinking about and getting pressured to do is start to be able to promote judges today so that that bench could look a lot different by the time donald trump takes office. >> could we talk about the pipeline? democrats have been talking about this a long time, getting more women, and people of color, getting people in positions so they can consider running for president. it's tough, though, i mean, let's talk about the average person who goes in to vote, and what they know about the people who are on the ballot, you know, even state supreme court justices, what are the chances that they've done a deep dive? i mean, i just realistically how do you elevate that to help people understand how important it is. >> look, we've got to learn to communicate better with people as a party, and i have been banging the drum for a long time. we don't do a good job at the presidential level, never mind the supreme court justice level, or superior court justice level. what we need to do is meet

people where they are, and we need to stop lecturing them constantly about what's at stake if you don't do the right thing or there's a patriarchy and you have to fight against it. you need to explain to people in very real terms what it means for them today, and why it's important for them today. not if it's important for them in a year or two because people are having a hard time making ends meet. there are single mothers who don't know how they're going to put dinner on the table tonight. we don't have time to think about sonia sotomayor's health or what's going to happen to the supreme court in a year or two, if and when justice thomas and alito retire. we need to change the entire dynamic of how we speak to voters and make voters understand their urgency of now as opposed to these very high minded conversations that we have that we have the luxury of having that a lot of people don't have the luxury of having because their financial circumstances don't allow them that luxury. >> julie and basil, you're sticking with us. thank you so much for that. after the break, the race to contain the flames in southern california as that wind-fueled

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14,000 people are now under an evacuation order from a fire that's exploded in southern california. it's called the mountain fire. it's already torched more than 130 buildings in ventura county,

and it's only 7% contained. the official warning is dire, it's an immediate threat to life. one man told nbc news, he barely made it out alive. >> got the wedding ring, got a couple more pictures of my dad and jumped in the car, and then ten minutes later, i guess, the whole thing just blew up. >> nbc's morgan chesky is in camarillo heights, and bill karins is here with more. talk about this fire which has been moving fast, right? >> reporter: yeah, chris, it absolutely has been, but the first 24 hours were so telling with this mountain fire complex. that's what allowed it to explode to about 14,000 acres. it has since grown to now 20,000 acres, and we're here in one of the hardest hit neighborhoods where you go house by house, and you can see the devastation left behind. that one gentleman saying he only had minutes getting out of here. we do know that evacuation orders were successful in

getting everyone safely out of this neighborhood. that is one of the few silver linings they have because homeowners are now coming back today to witness what you're looking at right now, chris. utter devastation, as a result of these fast-moving flames driven by the santa ana wind that are known in this area topping 50, 60 miles an hour. that combined with dry fuel, a tragic recipe for what we're witnessing here in this mountain complex blaze. the cause still under investigation, but at last count, this home, one of about 130 that have been utterly destroyed, there are nearly 100 others that have been damaged. chris, we know that about 20 people were treated for smoke inhalation, but none of the injuries from this fire are believed to be life threatening. if there's any relief in sight, it's that the winds have finally died down today. any sort of containment on a fire like this is relief as of this point in time. and fortunately, those winds expected to die down for at

least the next 24 hours or so. chris. >> firefighters say tinderbox drought conditions are making this worse. there has been drought in big pockets all across the country. we are seeing these very real effects on the west coast. >> all summer and all fall, it doesn't rain in the west. they wait for the winter to get the rain. that's when the rainy season begins. we're waiting for the first significant rains to end the fire threat. what we saw with the last few days, the mountain fire exploding, as dangerous as it gets. today, the winds are down. firefighters are going to make progress. we're not going to see new homes that are burned. this is camarillo, areas just to the north, and it doesn't look like it's going to make much more progress towards the city at all. the active portion of the fire is on the northeast side, going towards the santa clara river here. we'll have a little bit of expansion, new acreage burned, there are no structures in jeopardy. the winds have died down. the next santa ana wind event is wednesday to thursday next week. as far as the northeast goes,

early this morning, there was a brush fire in new jersey, blowing smoke in the bronx. boston has had issues with philadelphia. red flag warnings are up, as dry as can be. many areas, hasn't rained since september in the northeast. that's the last significant rainfall, and it's a breezy afternoon. if any fires form, they will be able to quickly spread. the one sliver of good news is the first rain in weeks is on the horizon. this is sunday afternoon. rain through pittsburgh, rain through western new york, by about 4 to 5:00 p.m., that rain arrives in new york city, up to boston, this is not a huge rain event, only a quarter inch to a half inch. it's a start, at least, for areas. as you know, it has been as dry as it gets, many areas are on record long dry streaks. >> bill karins and morgan chesky, thank you, guys, so much. how to fight disinformation, when millions of americans can't seem to agree on what is true. but first, a pitch perfect

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there's a question a lot of folks are asking about the second term of president-elect donald trump. what happens to truth. our next guest argues in a new argue that after the results of this presidential election, quote, it would appear truth is on life support. already setting off an alarm about what's next. quote, the real danger, when a leader traffics in half truths and conflicting claims is that people know what to believe. i want to bring in the author, former u.s. attorney, barbara mcquade, and also back with us,

julie, and basil smikle, good to have everyone here. talk about what you wrote about, which is where does disinformation come from and then the critical conversation, how do we fight it. >> yeah, i think we saw an awful lot of disinformation in this election cycle from donald trump talking about haitian immigrants eating cats and dogs and the weaponization of the justice department. and kamala harris is a communist, all of those things, but they were just amplifying some of the claims that we were seeing from russia, whose goal is to stoke division in society and undermine public confidence in free and fair elections. some of the claims may conflict with each other, and part of the goal is to cause us to throw up our hands and say we don't believe anything, but the danger there of course is that we disengage in politics because we are so cynical, and we don't believe anything, and that is something that really could spell the end of democracy. so we need to build our own ability to see through the lies so that we can continue to assert our power as a democracy.

>> well, one of the things that has folks concerned is that it isn't just the lies themselves, but lies being turned into policy. now, one example is the promise of mass deportation, which is a policy that is premised on things that donald trump has said that simply are not true. here's a few examples. >> over 647,572 migrant criminals who kamala set loose to rape, pillage, thief, plunder and kill the people of the united states of america. >> we have more terrorists come into our country in the last two and a half years than we've ever seen. you know, i had one year where border patrol said no terrorists came in. i had another year where they said eleven came in. >> in springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the

cats. they're eating the pets of the people that live there. and this is what's happening in our country. >> not true as we know. but is policy, is there a real concern that policy is going to be based on people, be based on what you can convince people to believe? >> absolutely right. federal policy, state and local policy, and for the people he's talking about, there's a target on everybody's back. because who knows what's happening in the streets day-to-day when individuals emboldened by his rhetoric decide they want to take matters into their own hands. i say that in part, i'm a first generation american. it's not just about, you know, sometimes we kind of default to latinos, but it's not. there are a lot of people in this country from a lot of places around the world, and it seems like black and brown folks are going to have to be in the shadows even more because there's not just the policy directed towards them based on these lies but potential target

on their back, and who knew that we would have to be concerned about foreign actors and domestic actors trolling donald trump's opponents on social media and through our technology. this is a very scary place indeed. >> the conversation has been ongoing, really, since he came down the golden escalator about donald trump, what do you respond to, some people say, you know, if he calls people names, let folks make their own decision about that. when he tells lies, we have to call him out on it. how should democrats approach this with the stakes the way they are. >> there's a massive ecosystem of disinformation out there. if you look at the fact that the richest man in the world owns a social media platform that openly traffics and lies, disinformation. >> can i stop you there? this is someone who looks like he's going to get a job in the administration. >> among his 27 other jobs, where he's running, you know, space programs and car companies, but the second most, more dangerous thing to me is the second richest man in the

world, jeff bezos, effectively bent the knee to donald trump even before he became president, pulling an endorsement in the "washington post" of kamala harris. that tells me that we are fighting against a situation here where people are so cowed by donald trump, and the people who control our media are so cowed by donald trump that the situation is only going to get worse because what happens when he decides that his ftc or some department is not going to approve some merger unless so and so journalist gets fired or such and such tv station shuts down. that's a major problem for us, and that's a place that this country has never been before at least in our lives times. it's reminiscent of what viktor orban did in hungary. i'm a refugee from the soviet union, that's how i came to the country. i know a little bit about these kinds of tactics, that's what we're on the path to doing here. the democratic party needs to wake up and create its own

ecosystem very quickly, and we have to, we must stop speaking just to ourselves. that's what we do. we sit around and talk in circles and prop each other up in language we can relate to. we have got to go out there and start preaching to people who may not agree with us right now. they can, if we stop condescending to them, and speak to them openly and honestly on their terms and not on terms where we think they're the smartest around and we have to listen and agree with us. >> basil, you're a professor, and you understand what the research is out there, and i'm sure julie does as well. if you repeat something enough, it's the whole part of advertising, right, how many songs can you sing in your head, how many tv themes, from when we were kids, everyone watched the networkings. do you remember if somebody struck up the band. what do democrats do about this? because one thing that you can say about the republican side is whether it's donald trump or j.d. vance or any number of

people in positions of power who seem to a lot of people to be believable say exactly the same thing. >> my students visited the set, you asked point-blank, how do they get their news, and they all said from social media. >> tiktok, you tube. >> the problem is that there is no sort of identification of who's an expert or not. they all seem like experts and if you're a faculty member like me or anybody that cares about this, the most difficult thing in the world is to breakthrough that with actual good information. so you're asking young people in particular to not only be discerning about what they curate on social media, and also go back, be critical thinkers and verify. that's a lot that they have to do. to your question about what democrats can do, it's that point right there, it's to really flood, create an ecosystem of their own, flood it with good information from verifiable experts. we have to define that, but from experts that are giving out

really good, disseminating really good information. i think the harris campaign was really good on social media, and what they did was sort of gave all of us talking points to go out and say, this is who she is, and this is what she cares about. we can do that, we just have to stop doing it at election time. we have to do it between elections. >> and it has to be disciplined. barbara you have written the book about how disinformation is impacting our democracy. what keeps you up at night when you think about what's to come? >> well, i think the fact that we've got a handful of billionaires who control social media concerns me very much. because what we've seen, especially on elon musk's platform of x is the removal of content moderation so that the flood gates are open to disinformation, just in this election, we saw a lot of russian disinformation posted on x, and so the inability to get our arms around that and regulate it, i think, is a big challenge, and certainly any challenge that goes after content is going to be labeled censorship, and i think it's a fair point because we don't want

to silence people, especially minority voices or democratic voices or any voice that wants to speak truth to power. i think there are things we can do in terms of addressing the processes, like requiring them to be transparent in the algorithms that choose what to prioritize, and what to demote, the way they are collecting our private data so that we can be micro targeted. the way bots are used online to amplify false claims. i think if we can get our arms around those things, we can get rid of some of the garbage that's out there, filling our minds with false information. >> julie, basil, and barbara mcquade, thank you all, i hope you have a good weekend and a little r and r. it's been an intense period, coming up, new findings into the investigation of where that slew of racist text messages sent to black americans might be coming from. louisiana's attorney general with those new findings will join me next. al with those new findings will join me next and some lost over 46 pounds.

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we are just getting some new findings in the investigation into where a deluge of racist text messages are coming from. the recipients, as young as middle school. those messages largely target black americans, and warn them to prepare for a return to slavery. the fbi and law enforcement in at least two dozen states, including louisiana, are investigating. right now, i'm joined by louisiana's attorney general liz

murrell among those who are looking into this. i understand you have at least some preliminary findings in your investigation. what can you tell us? >> well, we have some information that these text messages are being routed through virtual private network server that's located in poland. so, you know, that doesn't tell us where the person is or the group or the organization is that's actually pushing them out. it could be from the basement of a small town in louisiana or it could be coming from bangladesh. we don't know that yet. >> so tell me about what you folks are doing and what kind of cooperation. as i said, there are at least two dozen different states now. i think initially they were saying maybe these were received in ten states, now it's up to 24, 25. who are you talking to, who are your investigators cooperating with? >> well, of course we are talking to the fbi.

it is a national problem, not just a state problem that's limited to louisiana. i can tell you, it's not just text messages. i received one of these directly to my personal e-mail just this morning. so they are going out fairly broadly. it is very much -- it looks a lot like a fishing scam, and there is what appears to be a hyperlink in it. we want to caution people not to click on it. delete it. you can report it to your attorney general, if you're in another state or to us in our state. and you can report it to the fbi. but we are all trying to get to the heart of it and figure out where they're coming from, but it behaves like a phishing scam. it can get into your network, and perpetuate itself through your network. >> it also has had a real impact on people, the emotion from getting something like this, the

fear that it engenders, i wonder if you had an opportunity to talk to anyone else, particularly americans, black louisianans, and what impact you're seeing or hearing about? >> i haven't had that conversation. i think that, you know, i received one of them. they're vile. they're racist. they are certainly not from any official source, and i think every official that has seen them or heard about this has condemned them. so, you know, our main message right now is not to be victimized because we don't know whether it is some kind of phishing scam. it does appear to be a hyperlink in it. we don't want people to click on it. we would urge people to delete them. you know, they are intended to be offensive. they are intended to be divisive, and we need to reject all of that. >> what went through your mind when you saw that you got an

e-mail like this? >> you know, i was surprised that it was in my e-mail box. i mean, i don't think that any of us know exactly how they access these locations. some people get them through their telephones, which it feels very personal when that happens. you know, i think that when you see something that lands in your text message box, you're used to texting back and forth with people that you know, or that you have some familiarity with, and then this comes through. you wonder, you know, how did they get my phone number, and i think you feel the same way when it comes into your personal e-mail box, like it did for me. but i think there are a lot of ways that they can access this particular kind of information. they can also piggy back on other people's networks and e-mail lists. the text messaging, specifically, in our opinion, is coming through an e-mail server. so it is really an e-mail, it's just coming through your phone, and your text messages.

it's coming through an e-mail server. so it's also coming through people's e-mail boxes. it's offensive. >> i was just going to say, we have literally just 30 seconds left. you know how sophisticated some of these folks can be. they route through, as you point out, they can route through servers all over the world. what is your level of belief that someone, whether it's the fbi or anyone else investigating will get to the bottom of this? >> you know, it's hard to say. we are going to try and continue to investigate and figure out where they're originating from. we have been very successful in chasing a lot of criminal activity that occurs in the dark web. and so i actually have a fairly high degree of confidence that we will eventually find out where these are coming from. but it's, you know, like a lot of scams, you're right, they can be routed through a lot of different pathways. this one is mainly appears to be

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