>> wow. thank you. thank you. you've been here. wow, wow. [ chanting "walz" ] thank you, minnesota. thank you, thank you, thank you. i don't know about you, but i've had a week. i know you have, too, but let me just start out by saying it's great to be home. we came home. it's great to be home. and i do want to start a huge thank you and an i love you to minnesota's first lady, to gwen.

thank you very much. and to our amazing kids, hope and guss, they are everything to us, so thank you. and a big thank you to my family. my mom is here, who i want to say thank you to, darlene so -- we did okay, didn't we? we did okay. she did a great job. i think she's as surprised as anybody that we're here, but -- and a huge thank you to vice president kamala harris. first for the -- for the faith that she placed in me, but more importantly for the powerful and joyful campaign that she ran.

i'm grateful for her leadership and forever grateful for her friendship. also a huge thank you to my staff, both the folks who worked on this campaign, who we got to know over the last three months and to the amazing team right here in minnesota. we showed the country these guys are the best in the business, and i'm proud to be your teammate in this. thank you all. and to all of you, i want to thank every single person who stood with us in this fight, whether it was volunteers, donors, voters, or what i see in here, lifelong friends. it's an honor of a lifetime to have your support, and i'll never forget everything you did to stand up for the values that we share together, so thank you

to each and every one of you. [ applause ] it's like my life is in front of me as i look around here and see everybody, so it's wonderful. look, folks, i just want to acknowledge the moment. it's hard. it's hard to lose. it's hard to understand while so many of our fellow citizens, people that we have fought so long and hard for wound up choosing the other path. it's hard to reckon with what that path looks like over the next four years. so if you're feeling deflated, discouraged today, i get it. take some time to take care of yourselves, take care of your loved ones, take care of your community. there's a million ways to make a positive difference and get back in this fight when you're ready. and know that whenever you're ready to get back in that fight, i'll be standing right here

ready to fight the fight with you. [ applause ] and while we haven't had a whole lot of time to process this, i can tell you even in the face of defeat and deep disappointment, i've never felt more inspired. i've never felt more motivated. i've never felt more fired up of what's possible in this country. you know, i've gotten to see an awful lot of america over the last three months, more than i ever thought i was going to see. i've made many new friends. i've learned a lot of new things. i ate way too much local food, but i can order donuts, people. i can order donuts. but i have to be honest with you. what struck me everywhere i went without exception, people really wanted the same basic things out

of an american life. and i want to be clear when i say basic things, i mean things like meaningful work, safe neighborhoods, good schools, affordable, quality health care. but i also mean something more. it became clear to me people want security, and i mean that broadly. they want to feel like their life is built on a solid foundation that won't collapse under them if the wind blows the wrong way or something happens. people want an opportunity where they feel like they can get ahead, not just settling to get by. and they really are concerned about giving their kids a chance to get ahead. and i think most of all -- and you saw it in a very deep way, people want freedom to live their lives the way they want to live them. it's not the way -- maybe their neighbors wouldn't want to live the same way, but freedom is

supposed to be everybody's birthrate. not because of how much money you had or where your family came from orb no matter who you loved, or how you prayed or no matter what you think of the issues of the day are. and everywhere i've gone, i've had the opportunity to tell people how things work here in minnesota. and you know us, i had to make really hard to make sure it didn't sound like we were bragging. you know, slip it in. slip it in. but the truth is the way we do things here sounded pretty damn good to americans across this country. together, we've made minnesota one of the best places for kids to live. and we did it with a broad

agenda. we did it by cutting taxes but for working people and small businesses. we committed to making clean energy and lowering the cost of prescription drugs a priority. and we made sure that when you walked into a school like this, every child got free breakfast and lunch. [ applause ] we made college free for lower income students and paid family and medical leave for everyone across the state. we expanded the right to organize your workplace. we made our streets safer. we invested in affordable housing, and we made public education a priority.

and we also did it by standing up for our shared values and rejecting hatred and bigotry. we, across the state, have fought for everyone's right to participate fully in our democracy and in our society. we have refused to scapegoat immigrants in this state. and we were the first to establish an iron clad right to reproductive freedom. when i tell that story across the country you can see people saying where is this magical place? and then someone would have to

say, but it gets cold. yeah. but you know what, the way we did it was actually simple. not easy. those are two different things. not easy but simple and straightforward. we worked for it. we fought for it. we organized for it. and we had a set of leaders that when we finally built the political capital we needed to get it done, we didn't bank it. we burned it improving lives. and i can tell you what i've learned over the last three months is an awful lot of americans are game for exactly that. exactly that. here's the thing, too. nothing about tuesday night changes any of that.

nothing. but here's what it did tell us. we're going to have to work a little harder, we're going to have to fight a little harder, we're going to have to organize a little harder. but i'm here today to tell you this we can do it -- no, that's the wrong one. we will do it, and we'll do it together. we will do it. so for now i just want to say thank you, minnesota, for giving me such an incredible story to tell to our fellow americans in the other states. i do want to take a few minutes and talk a few words about our path forward. i know there's a lot of folks that are worried about the next four years and what they're going to look like. i'm one of them. the agenda we heard from the other side in this campaign was very different from the one we know is right for our state and our country. we've already seen the damage a

president can cause when he's in it for himself, not the american people. look, we know what's coming down the pipe. we know it because they told us, and we're going to have to be ready to defend the progress that we've made here in minnesota. the other side's spent a lot of time campaigning and talking about and promising that they would leave things up to the states. well, i'm willing to take them at their word for that. but the moment they try and bring a hateful agenda in this state, i'm going to stand ready to stand up and fight for the way we do things here. [ applause ]

minnesota always has and always will be there to provide shelter from the storm. as long as i'm governor of minnesota, we will protect a woman's right to make her own health care decisions. as long as i am governor of minnesota, we will welcome immigrants with gratitude for their contributions to our communities. as long as i'm governor of minnesota, we will stand with the rest of the world in fighting climate change and developing new, clean energy solutions. as long as i'm governor of minnesota, we'll be a state that respects democracy, a place where we're proud of our civic

debate and where we don't demonize people who disagree with us. as long as i'm governor of minnesota, we will defend our kids' freedoms to go to school without worrying about being shot dead in their classrooms. and, by the way, as long as i'm governor, minnesota will always be a labor state, a state -- [ applause ] -- a state that stands with working people no matter who they voted for. but i will say and acknowledge this, about 1.5 million of our fellow minnesotans voted the other side in this election. and while there might not be a

place in our state for the most extreme elements of that agenda, there should be a place in our politics for everyone to be heard. i think sometimes we can be quick to judge people who don't agree with us, to askum that they act out of cruelty or fear or self-interest. i don't think that kind of judgment is helpful right now, and i don't think it's right. i think we ought to swallow -- and this is me in this as i'm speaking about myself -- swallow a bit of pride and look harder to find common ground with our neighbors who didn't vote like we did in this election. maybe we won't agree on any issue, but maybe when the campaign signs come down, we all get a little break from the rhetoric and the tv ads and the fund-raising texts -- and i'm sorry about those. maybe when we get a little break from this campaign that we're in, we'll be able to look at each other and see not enemies

but neighbors. and maybe we'll be able to sit down over coffee or a diet mountain dew and just talk. talk about our kids, talk about the lives we want to build for them, talk about the things that really matter, how we treat each other, how we look out for each other, and how we support each other in difficult times. for my part, i'm going to try even harder to do that as governor. nobody, not republicans, nobody has a monopoly on good intentions or good ideas. and now this election is behind us i'm going to try even harder to keep an open mind, open heart and really listen to folks who don't support me or my policies, to work with everyone in the legislature to seek compromise and common ground. because that's how we come back together after such a long time spent fighting each other. that's how we heal the rips in the fabric of our civil society, and that's how we move forward as one minnesota.

that -- that's what this is all supposed to be about. not who's right or wrong, not who's winning or losing, but are we moving things forward together, or are we falling apart? i still believe with all my heart america can be a place where no child is left hungry, no community is left behind, and no one gets told they don't belong. and the reason i believe it so strongly is i've seen it with my own eyes because it's happened right here in minnesota. and because of our example, millions of americans believe in it, too. let's keep working to grow security, opportunity, and freedom for all our neighbors. let's keep fighting for the things we believe in with compassion, with dedication, and

with joy. and let's keep making minnesota an example for the rest of this great nation. i -- i love this country. i love this state. i love this job, and i'm not done fighting for minnesota. not by a long shot. so thank you, minnesota. thank you and let's get it done. >> hi, everyone. that was special. tim walz and gwen walz were powerful surrogates and messengers in their own right, but that doesn't always happen. the last time this happened in american politics was eight years ago. tim kaine was the last losing vice presidential nominee of a major political party to give a concession speech, and that is what we just watched. >> you know, it reminds us that the showing is as important as the telling, right, more

important than anything he said in that speech was the fact he gave it. but i did like some of the frameworks, this idea coming back to three themes over again. security, opportunity, freed, and really using those as a guiding light moving forward. i also think it's interesting, yes, this is the end of a presidential campaign. it would have been easy for him to give a political speech, but that speech was much more about culture and about the way we treat each other as neighbors. this idea of having an open mind and an open heart. and i think that type of direction is what people are looking for in this moment. >> well, and i think it's -- it's -- jacob, are you with us? jacob soboroff, i think the friday night lights politics, right, in an election like this where so many ran on such polarizing ideas but garnered the support of you're anywhere in america and you look to your right and look to your left, chances one of of the two voted for him. that's how sweeping this victory is.

this idea in your community we have to learn how to love and laugh together is going to be the political goal for democrats, whoever delivers that message. and this was the beginning, i think, of the democrats trying to grab an open hand which is going to be an open lane of knitting ourselves back together as families and communities. i thought one of his most catchy and repeated refrains was making thanksgiving great again, making us stop, just trusting each other. and for the kinds of stories you cover and the kind of stories we talk about later in it hour, the you know what is going to get real fast here in trump 2.0. >> he gave that speech from where my mom grew up in st. paul, minnesota. for so many of who have family and friends from the midwest, that's the same tim walz i met when i reached my hand over as rachel called it the salad bar at the democratic national convention. when i asked him what's it like to be here, are you excited.

he said doesn't every public schoolteacher imagine being here on this moment as the eve of his nomination as the vice presidential nominee for the democratic party. to me the word that comes back to me is familiar. that's the word we see and feels like people from that part of the country we know and sort of the role he's played throughout this entire campaign. >> well, it's a really important point because i've been on winning campaigns and i've been on losing campaigns. and the side that gets back on its feet the fastest is the one that cloaks itself in the most humility. and i mean this -- the walzs are humility embodied. >> personified. i also think people look for bright spots saying minnesota can be an example. use -- for some of us we are not governing states, but what is your terrain? what is your community? where is it that you can have impact and make a difference and point to it and say this where i

want to be, and we can talk about all this and there are folks not there yet, but they will have time to come back to this speech and look at it through different eyes. >> you mean they're still going through the stages. >> that's grief. >> i hear that a lot. i do think that -- i wept back and watched hillary clinton's concession speech, and it is sort of in the ashes of her speech that the biden coalition has assembled. these are important news cycles, and i'm all for everyone binging. nobody wants this is because it's certainly something i've seen more than once already. that was an important event, and we shouldn't take for granted how important in a democracy it is to do this, to concede and to do it publicly and to do it in front of your supporters. again, didn't happen four years ago. i need both of you to stick around. in the last few minutes we've got some breaking news. it's another call in the senate race. nbc news is projecting that incumbent independent senator, our friend angus king, will be

re-elected in maine. senator king, of course, caucuses with the democrats. still ahead for us, donald trump has said publicly he will spare no expense for his top priority as president, which is something that jacob has covered closely, something alicia has as well. it is the mass deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants. but that promise just might be in direct tension with his other promise, to juice the economy. in fact, the mass deportations could wreck the economy and spark inflation, the very things that propelled him back to office. we'll talk about that catch-22 at the heart of trump's two biggest campaign promises. plus, who will be joining donald trump at the white house come january? it looks like it could be what we watched the first time around. now new chapters and new characters, and we know trump views it as a casting could tell us more about the story what's to come. the reporting about who is under

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there is no price tag too big. that's how donald trump who was elected tuesday night on a wave of voter rage about the cost of things describes his top policy priority, which is mass deportations of millions of undocumented immigrants currently in the united states. nbc news reports this. quote, president-elect trump told nbc news on thursday that one of his first priorities upon taking office in january would be to make the border, quote, strong and beautiful -- strong and powerful. sorry. sometimes it is beautiful when he talks about it. when questioned about his campaign promise of mass deportations trump said his administration will have no choice but to carry them out. and when asked about the cost of this plan he said, quote, it is not a question of a price tag. it is not really. we have no choice. when people have killed and murdered, when drug lords have destroyed countries, and now

they're going to go back to those countries because they're not staying here, there is no price tag, end quote. but of course there will be a price tag. and the price tag that communities all across the country are going to pay is potentially devastating to the economy. trump is targeting 11 million undocumented immigrants. they live in every town, in every state, in every corner of the country, meaning that mass deportations will require an operation of a size and scale that may simply not even be feasible, let alone affordable. one estimate says it will cost $88 billion to report 1 million undocumented immigrants each year. gep, it's a scale that costs democrats any political wins in 2024, meaning trump's promise of a good economy one better than the one we have right now and his pledge of mass deportations

are in immediate and direct contradiction with one another. one study finds that, quote, mass deportation would lead to a loss of 1.2% to 6.8% of annual u.s. gdp or 1.1 trillion to $1.7 trillion. in comparison the u.s. gdp shrunk by 4.3% during the great recession between 2007 and 2009. an economist tells bloomberg this, quote, if you deport a large number of workers, you're going to probably create shortages in some industries. and when there are shortages, demand is going to outstrip supply and prices are going to rise. so in the short run, i would expect that there will be inflation. so all that, and it is to say nothing of the sheer almost unfathomable cruelty for the vast majority of us in watching this happen, again, in every community, in every state all

across the country. more than 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country, four-fifths of them have been living in this country for more than a decade. according to the pew research center 22 million people live in-house holds with an undocumented immigrant as part of them, their family and their household. quote, about 4.4 million u.s.-born children under 18 live with an unauthorized illegal parent. and if we look back at what happened in public, the public record from the last time trump tackled the issue of immigration, he was undeterred by any legal limits, and the human suffering that ensued from the child separation policy. in fact, trump aides said out loud and on television that the optics of the suffering and the crying of children, that was the point. that was the deterrent. joining our conversation aclu national legal director cecilia wong.

she was previously the director of the aclu immigrants rights project. nbc news correspondent jacob soboroff is back with us. he's the executive producer of the film "separated," which is out now. here with me a at the table for the whole hour co-anchor of msnbc's "the weekend" alicia menendez. i start with you. >> this is going to play outen a variety of fronts. what you've heard from the trump administration they're going to prioritize repeat arrivals with a criminal record. and when he talks about it, that is drug lords and gang members. it also, though, can be defined as someone who's committed a petty crime and misdemeanor while in the united states, and then suddenly there is recording that is also referencing dreamers, those who came here as children and as you said have been living in this country for years. big question i think there are multiple camps in the administration, how are they going to define the criteria of who it is they plan to deport? there is the legal fight cecilia and the aclu and organizations

are going to play out not just around the deportations and the detention but also around the racial profiling and the surveillance programs that likely come with it. there is the legislativive fight. it is the sense of folks on the hill that republicans are going to try to ram through this funding mechanism during reconciliation. it opens up this question -- does susan collins, does tom tillis, do they agree to fund mass deportation in this country? because the problem is as you know once you have instigated that mechanism, it can take 30 years to undo it. we're not just talking about, you know, changes that could take place in the next six months, we're talking about changes that then become very hard to undo. you have the states, governor mora healey in massachusetts who said i'm not doing this, i'm not using my state police to deport people, round up people inside my state. all of a sudden these governors in democratic states become much more important as a line of

defense in these programs. and then most importantly what i want to make sure i end on is the community response, right? there are communities that are absolutely wrecked right now by the reality of what is happening. she runs dream big nevada, the only advocacy group in that state run by dreamers. and she said to me it's not a question of if we're getting screwed, it's a question of when. people are preparing paperwork for guardianship documents, for transfers of deeds. they're filling out forms saying this is my child's nickname, these are things they're allergic to see that if your child comes home from school, and you, their parent are not there, the person who takes over custody for them knows how to take care of your child. that is the reality of what is happening on the ground. >> it's -- i mean trump made gains with latino voters men and women. >> some of whom who just didn't believe he was going to do this,

some who really believed this idea of prioritization of recent arrivals, recent arrivals with criminal records. and, again, it is -- there's debate within team trump over how they're going to do this, what it's going to look like. jason houser, who's the former i.c.e. chief of staff, has a sort of detailing of anticipated strategies that they imagine. one of the things that who's very much seen as a contender to run i.d.'s or dhs is looking at going after head of households so that then folks have the economic necessity to self-deport. i mean, they are looking at doing this in a variety of incredibly devious ways because they understand, it would seem that the optics are not on their side here. >> jacob, this body of reporting that you've done now the subject of the film "separated." we know what the optics are, and

my understanding mostly from our great reporting is that the horrific optics are the point. tell me how you think we should prepare for what's about to happen. >> well, i just want to put this in perspective, nicolle. and i'm saying this completely objectively. this is not my opinion. mass deportation is family separation. you just mentioned there are millions of people in this country, maybe as many as 20 or more who have an undocumented family member living within their house. and no matter who the trump administration ultimately decides to go after, you had said they were undeterred by the cruelty of the policy. and that, indeed is true. they deliberately separated 5,500 children from their parents for no other reason than to harm people and to scare others from coming to the country. and to remind everybody the american academy of pediatrics called that government sanctioned child abuse. physicians for human rights said it met the united nation's

definition of torture. and frankly, i'll never forget what i saw inside those detention centers. but the question is will they and can they move forward with it? will that political support quickly erode? it was the one thing, it was the one major policy proposal that president trump came out in the face of literally the universal condemnation of the policy. the pope spoke out, i think many people will remember. they were people in the streets all over the world in the face of family separation. and donald trump on june 20, 2018, after he went inside those detention facilities on the 13th and the 18th down in south texas said as he signed an executive order in the white house, i didn't like the sight and the feeling of the families being separated. he recognized what that looked like, what it did to people across the country, and what it meant for him politically in this country, and he backed down. they decided they were going to stop the policy. it didn't mean he doesn't want to continue with the policy. he told kirstjen nielsen as i

reported in my book and talked about in the film, he wanted to reinstitute the policy if they were given the opportunity. as simply as we can say it as a journalist, mass deportation is family separation. are they going to go through with the family separation policy on a scale this country has never seen before, given the consequences that they faced the first time around? that's a choice the trump administration of president-elect trump is going to have to make. >> cecilia, just give us a reality check. what is happening right now? the kinds of folks you're trying to help and process and protect their families? >> so i think jacob and alicia are exactly right, that donald trump is already working before even taking office on a politics of fear. it's a fear-fueled, hate-fueled attack not on undocumented immigrants alone. let's be clear. donald trump says he's taking aim at undocumented immigrants, but he's going to hit american communities across this country

in all the ways that alicia and jacob referred to. so what does that exactly mean? if donald trump carries out his promise to carry out the largest domestic deportation operation in american history, it means we're going to see i.c.e. agents, border patrol agents, hostile law enforcement agencies from around the country, as he said, i'm going to send agents from maryland, from virginia into maryland. if maryland is not onboard with my plans. and he's going to tap potentially the military and the national guard to go after immigrants, and notably to go after the people in america who want to oppose these cruelty policies that he has. we're going to see armed immigration agents and all the other agents that i've talked about going door-to-door in our towns and our communities. we saw this in the 2000s and 2010s as local agencies who were

interested in trying to carry out their own deportation machine would go into workplaces, raid workplaces, go door-to-door. and just to be clear, you know, alicia mentioned tom hillman who was acting i.c.e. director under the first trump presidency. he has claimed he's going after the so-called criminals. but let's not forget donald trump has smeared all immigrants as criminals. and so when you hear the trump administration say they're going to prioritize criminal immigrants, they're really going after american communities, period, end of story. >> and it's such a central feature up until the final weeks of his campaign with his smears against legal immigrants living in ohio, for example. lying about people's pets being in danger. i do want to press all of you on

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i want to let you know ever since you won the election, my phone's blowing up from hundreds of reporters, most of them haters that hate the administration. but, look, i want to make it clear. tom homan has not asked for

aings. no offer has been made to me. but, you know, president trump knows if he needs help securing that border, i'm standing by. if he needs help running a deportation operation, i'm standing by. >> for anyone who was confused by an individual speaking in the third person, that was tom homan talking about tom homan. cecilia, that's who you mentioned. he's also got ties to project 2025, which lays this out in much detail, and as much as donald trump tried to separate himself from those detailed plans, it is very much in line with what he promised at his campaign rallies and the signs jacob brought into all our living rooms at the convention. this enthusiasm for this, this policy of mass deportations. >> i think, nicolle, it's right that donald trump's core supporters are onboard with these fear-fueled and hate-fueled policies. but i think trump is going to

learn the hard way that the majority of the american people are not onboard. let's go back to 2017, 2018, the first trump presidency. donald trump led with the muslim ban where he stopped people from majority muslim countries from entering the u.s. on valid visas that the united states government had issued to them. and in response we saw hundreds of thousands of americans going to airports, taking to the streets to express support for these immigrants and visitors who trump was attacking. the same thing with his family separation policy. perhaps the most unpopular immigration policy of all-time among american presidents. trump literally tore babies from their mothers' arms as families came to the u.s. border seeking asylum. that was enormously unpopular. i think to go back to the top of

the show you started talking about the way trump is saying money is no object. el, customs and border protection already has annual budget of $19 billion. that's just cbp, not to mention i.c.e. what are we going to get as american taxpayers with that money? we're going to get policies tearing apart families. donald trump is taking these policies to the 50 states, and i think we're going to see that groups like the aclu and the american people are going to meet him in those 50 states, and we are going to take him to court. and we're going to take him to task through the views of the american public, and we're going to stop this from happening. >> jacob, i -- i was going to say i want to ask this question diplomatically. i'm just going to ask this question bluntly. the policy was both cruel and so incredibly incompetently executed, and i guess the question is do you see any signs that trump is newly competent?

>> no. the cruelty as adam serwer coined was the point. again, that's an objective fact. that's what they wanted to do. deterrence was the purpose, prosecution was the tool, as jonathan, a career official from health and human services who tried to stop the policy says in our film, "separated." you'll see in the movie, you'll see on "60 minutes" just a couple weeks ago with cecilia investigatea tom homan said the line he comes back, i'll come back. now you have president-elect trump yet again, tom homan according to katelyn dickerson's prizewinning for the atlantic, another i'm i've heard in the press and seen reported chad wolf was a deputy to kirstjen nielsen who signed the memo

which resulted in the separation of the 5,500 children from their parents. they know what the outcome of that policy was, both the intentional cruelty of the policy but also the public's reaction to it. and they -- you know, i'm not saying they're not going to do it, but they know how the american public and the global public at large reacted to it, and so they're tiptoeing right up to this line, experimenting with doing something. as we talked about it was probably the most unpopular policy certainly of the first trump term but immigration policy of any president where democrats and republicans have based immigration on deterrence for a generation at this point. so the calculation they have to make is do they want to go through that again? do they want to go through the summer of 2018 in the united states? and will people come out in the streets like they did? after covering family separation i wasn't so sure they would. they didn't during the biden administration during some very conservative immigration policies. but nothing was family separation. nothing was deliberately taking

children away from their parents. mass deportation is family separation. >> i'm going to ask another question. the bill trump killed was written by republicans and president biden was going to sign it into law. vice president harris ran on it. do you think there's any chance he revised that bill and his branding of it makes that law, it was very popular and had bipartisan support. >> i think this comes down to what steven miller's vision is, and he has some tension in his own party he needs to reconcile not only around the funding but the way in which this is going to go down. for example, to go after dreamers would be deeply politically unpopular, just absolutely stupid. and yet there are those inside trump camp that will argue for that and those who will say you will lose the support of whichever people you had if you were to do this. there's a question of race and nationality. i mean, when you talk about who's come to the border, 20,000 ukrainians, are they included in the folks you plan to deport?

from mike dewine in ohio, haitian immigrants in his state, that becomes a much more complex conversation. and just to loop back to where you started us, with this as an economic question, what about the dairy workers in wisconsin and the ag workers all across this country and the meat packers and construction workers. all of a sudden it becomes a question of once this becomes real to people, do you have leaders of industry, titans of industry stepping forward and saying my industry is going to collapse without these immigrants? >> unbelievable. jacob soboroff, thank you so much. cecilia wang, thank you so much. alicia sticks around. we'll stay on this. jacob's new film "separated" on the u.s. jacob's film premieres next month december 7th at 9:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. if you haven't seen it yet, you must. who are the people who will help donald trump carry all this out?

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to place a premium on cabinet selections from outside of government service. this is opposed to sitting lawmakers. joining us on the topic, ron hillyard from west palm beach, florida. hello, my friend. take me inside how donald trump is -- what was his brand last time, the best people, how he's finding the best people this time. >> reporter: right, there is i think a much smaller pool we're looking at right now. palm beach is headquarters where he's going through potential cabinet administration officials and i'm told that the likes of rick grenell, the former u.s. ambassador to germany and former acting director of national intelligence is under consideration to be potentially the next secretary of state. but he's up and running against the likes of senator hagerty and senator rubio. and that's really where you see, like, those three names i think the -- overseeing potentially the state department i think is a good encapsulation of where we find ourselves and the internal

deliberations at mar-a-lago right now over the extent to which some of those fierce maga loyalists like ric grenell and kash patel, whether those individuals who have openly spoken out against the likes of the cia and the fbi as well as the department of justice, whether they are going to be individuals who are installed in these prominent roles here or whether some individuals like hagerty or senator rubio sort of win the day here and get installed into these positions and are able to curry the trust of donald trump here. those are the sorts of deliberations you go over the department of justice, there is three names there as well, matt whitaker, the former acting attorney general as well as senator eric schmitt of missouri and, again, this is where you look at that dynamic as to over the weeks ahead who is going to be able to answer the question for donald trump in susie wiles as to the extent to which they are willing to work in these

departments and agencies that meets the directives and the ideas of how donald trump wants to execute on because we saw from the first administration, donald trump said he regretted choosing people in the top posts that he did not have prior relationships with and did not know the extent of their loyalty to him. >> vaughn hillyard, doing an incredible body of reporting on behalf of all of our programs. thank you for sharing it with us. nice to see you, my friend. i want to thank you for spending the hour with us. coming up, in the next hour, donald trump had a phone call with the president of ukraine. but they weren't the only people on the line. trump and president zelenskyy. who dialled into that call? we'll tell you next. don't go anywhere. led into thatl we'll tell you next. don't go anywhere.

i want to ask you a very simple question tonight, do you want ukraine to win this war? >> i want the war to stop. i want to save lives that are being uselessly -- people being killed by the millions. it is the millions. it is so much worse than the numbers you're getting, which are fake numbers. we're in for $250 billion or more because they don't ask europe, which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are. >> just to clarify in the question, do you believe it is in the u.s.' best interest for ukraine to win this war, yes or no? >> i think it is the u.s.' best interest to get this war finished and get it done. negotiate a deal because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed. >> hi, again, everyone. 5:00 in new york. out of all those words, and we

actually had to do some light editing there for time's sake, but out of all of donald trump's words, what he didn't say was that, yes, ukraine must win. there was no assurance given to our ally, the ukrainians, that the incoming american president wishes to see our democratic ally ukraine prevail in its brutal ongoing war against russia. it is a war that started more than 2 1/2 years ago after russia brutally and illegally invaded the country with the hopes of taking it over. ukraine has held on, ukraine has, against all odds, defended herself against russia's aggression and that success is due in part to america's health. the u.s. has been providing aid and weapons because we, the current leaders, the biden administration, understands that the strength of our democracy here at home is aided by the strength of other democracies around the world.

then tuesday happened and now ukraine's democracy could very well be in peril with the incoming trump administration because as you just heard, or should i say, as you didn't hear, donald trump does not at least publicly share in the belief that u.s. should and will help ukraine win the war. he simply states publicly that it must end. and comments like those, plus many others that explain why russian president vladimir putin is likely sitting in the kremlin right now with a big fat smile that he cannot wipe off his face, ready and waiting for january 20th. in his first public comments since the united states election was called, putin spoke glowingly about donald trump. "new york times" reports this, putin speaking at a conference in sochi, russia, said trump acted like a man after surviving the assassination attempt in butler, pennsylvania, last summer. adding that trump stated desires

to improve ties with russia and end the ukraine war deserve attention. and he suggested that he expected trump to act more freely in his second term, signaling a hope that trump would finally follow through on his russia friendly rhetoric. i very much expect that our relationship with the united states will eventually be restored, putin said, we are open to this. trump on the campaign trail boldly claimed that he can solve the ukraine war in 24 hours, without ever providing any details as to how he would do that. but today, putin spokesperson shot that idea down from reuters, quote, president putin is ready to discuss ukraine with donald trump, but that does not mean he's willing to alter moscow's demands. dmitry peskov made the remarks after being asked at his daily news briefing if putin's readiness to talk to the republican president-elect reflected a willingness to change his demands. quote, the president has never

said that the goals of the special military operation are changing. on the contrary. he's repeatedly said that they remain the same, peskov said. emboldened russian president with an admirer returning to the white house is where we begin the hour with former cia director john brennan is here, also joining us former ambassador to russia, michael mcfall, and former deputy national security adviser ben rhodes is here. director brennan, first, your thoughts on how the cia and how the american government is preparing for an american president so at ease and so comfortable with someone who green lit and celebrated the war crimes carried out in bucha, the attacks against civilians, schools, hospitals, i mean, the things that have been happening

in ukraine at the direction of vladimir putin have garnered the west's disdain and donald trump sounds to have had a lovely chat with him today. >> well, i think there is very deep seeded concern within the national security realm as well as more broadly in terms of what is going to be ukraine's fate. now that donald trump will be returning to the white house. we all want this war and the bloodshed to come to an end, but the question is on whose terms. and it is clear that donald trump, who is a transactional individual, who also has a relationship with vladimir putin that goes back a number of years, is seeking to end the war, but giving putin what he wants, which is a great concern. not only to americans and ukrainians, but also to europe. very fearful about vladimir putin's aims on the rest of europe. and so we're looking at a situation now where all of this

effort made to try to prevent russia from just gobbling up a large portion of ukraine is at risk. and as donald trump has said previously, he believes he could end the war very quickly. and so, again, there is deep concern that he is just going to withdraw basically the extent of our support, military, economic, intelligence and otherwise, that will make it very, very difficult for president zelenskyy of ukraine to withstand russian pressure. again, this is a very worrisome period for all. >> director brennan, is there any name in the names that vaughn hillyard reported to be under consideration for secretary of state that you think could be a bulwark against capitulation to vladimir putin on the topic of ukraine? >> well, ric grenell is not on the list who would stand up to it. senator rubio and senator hagerty i think are reasonable

people who have, i think, a good appreciation of the u.s. role globally. the question is whether or not they're going to be able to stand up to a donald trump. lindsey graham has been an very outspoken supporter of ukraine and so i think there is going to be members of congress who -- members of congress that are going to be quite concerned that trump is going to capitulate to vladimir putin, which has really negative implications as far as the u.s. leadership role in the world and what signal it will send to our allies and partners that the united states is retreating from that leadership role. but they cannot count on us. and so i'm hoping that, again, it is going to be somebody that is going to be able to stand up who has the integrity and has the experience and the appreciation for the vital role the united states plays in global affairs. >> ambassador mcfall, when i played that tape back of donald trump talking about the human

lives lost, war is a tragedy, obviously, in that regard. but i couldn't help but hear it in light of the other voice we heard in the closing days of the campaign, and that was general john kelly who in a recorded interview confirmed that donald trump believed that men and women who die serving their country are losers and suckers. he didn't understand sacrifice. so i wonder what you think trump's real motive is on ending the war? >> well, i don't want to pretend to know his real motivations. we're not facebook friends, i want to say that first. secondly, i don't think he cares about lives lost. i think he wants to be seen as the guy that gets a deal done. and i think he wants the world to see that he can mediate something that everybody else was not willing to do.

the problem is, most certainly the concern that ukrainians have, i've spoken to many since tuesday, is he doesn't care about the actual outcome for ukrainians, and just to underscore, when people talk about this in the united states, it is always about land for peace. well, guess what, there is human beings that live in those occupied lands. so if you care about the people, the ukrainians, you should need to care about them as well, because you're giving away -- think about that, millions of ukrainians will be given away for these land for peace deals. the second thing that i think trump gets wrong, he wants to be known as a big dealmaker like that, he thinks that weakening zelenskyy will help him get a deal. cutting aid to zelenskyy. and if you're vladimir putin, why would you stop your war at a time when your opponent is getting weaker. and that's why mr. peskov said what he just said today, because they understand that if ukraine is weaker, they will have the

capacity to take more and so i just think that's a flawed negotiating strategy, and i hope like john just said that other people remember vast majorities and both the senate and the house voted for more aid, i hope those people help convince trump the only way you get a deal is when you stop putin on the battlefield. >> let me play you some of what trump has said publicly about vladimir putin. >> yesterday reporters asked me if i thought president putin was smart. i said, of course he's smart. to which i was greeted with, oh, that's such a terrible thing to say. i'd like to say, yes, he's smart. by the way, i'd like to congratulate vladimir putin for having made yet another great deal. russia and putin never would have attacked ukraine ever when i was there. and i talked about it, and it was the apple of his eye.

i got along with him very well, which is a good thing, not a bad thing, a lot of people think that's a bad thing. no, no, that's a great thing. >> i think it is clear after tuesday night that the republican party that hued to anything closely to reagan's view of the world is dead. but what does it say to you that someone who said all those things, lavished such praise? the thing about maga is they're so pandering to russia that the russians feel like it is too much. we learned that tucker carlson's super market propaganda was too much for the russians. they were, like, you know, ew, too available. what do you make of the american people going with the guy whose praise of putin is almost too much for putin? >> well, i think what we have to understand is donald trump is a like minded fellow traveler of vladimir putin. they are both right wing

autocratic nationalists and they're not alone. victor orban picked that category. there are plenty of other leaders. bibi netanyahu fits that category. other leaders in europe that fit that category. this is the new trend in geopolitics. and i think that we have -- we have to get our minds around that this is no longer the outlier in american foreign policy. this is now the establishment in american foreign policy. the american people have chosen an autocratic nationalist to be our leader. somebody who has a similar idea of politics and transactional geopolitics as vladimir putin. and the first term, we all struggled with this. and we kept trying -- we pointed him out as an outlier and isn't it absurd he's doing these things and i think it is. but now it is here. so we have to adjust to that. importantly, i want to echo

something mike said, though, vladimir putin doesn't really care. his interests are to gobble up as much as ukraine as he can. not to be friends with donald trump. if it is useful to him, there is a guy like donald trump at the white house, he'll take advantage of that certainly. he has designs on moldova, on georgia, two other countries that he would like to turn into and what belarus is, essentially now a de facto russian territory, essentially. that's what he's interested in. so, trump doesn't -- he's not going to gain something by trying to be more like vladimir putin in this relationship. he's just going to make it easier for vladimir putin to accomplish the ends that he wants to pursue, and that's why i think the question is not just whether there is a rubio in there. i would prefer that to rick grenell, of course, but what is more important is what does europe do. does europe try to fill the space and providing support to ukraine, can they? i don't think they can actually wholly. but that's what i would be

watching because i just -- i have no faith that the united states will play that role under donald trump. we have to listen and take seriously what he said. >> i think this is the feature now, it is all out in the open, and i think that i remember the first foreign trip trump's national security advisers and their staff would call back to the states and take this speech, trump is going to affirm america's commitment to article five, delivered his first speech, article five, he's going to do it here, they're lobbying him on a foreign trip to affirm america's commitment to article five. i think he does it on the third or fourth stop. but it is all out in the open that he doesn't give a damn about nato. we have it assume he will get out of it. and i wonder what that looks like, director brennan. >> all putin has to do is repeat that to donald trouble, a number of his campaign statements and promises. vladimir putin is a trained intelligence officer.

but it doesn't take a trained intelligence officer to know how to get the best of donald trump, which is to praise and flatter him. and to tell him that his ideas are just genius to whatever. and that's the exploitation of donald trump that i think individuals like vladimir putin will be able to pursue. and so just, again, looking at the situation in ukraine and i'm sure that european -- the european partners and allies are very, very concerned because they see what is happening, and as ben pointed out, it is no longer to be said that donald trump was an aberration in terms of the drift in u.s. politics. clearly being re-elected and going back into the white house shows there is some type of shift here taking place in the united states to more nativist, isolationist and protectionist policies that really raises serious questions about the global landscape in the coming years. >> we need to do the elon musk of it all. i have to sneak in a quick

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we are back with john brennan, mike mcfall and ben rhodes. ambassador mcfall, let me read you this. a scoop in axios about elon musk's role. donald trump's phone call with ukrainian president zelenskyy included two surprises, elon musk was on the line and zelenskyy was reassured by what he heard from the president-elect. that's according to two sources with knowledge of the call. the new details of the call underscore how influential musk could be in the second trump administration and the uncertainty over how exactly trump will approach ukraine. why might president zelenskyy have been reassured by musk's presence on the call? >> well, i don't know if he actually was, but that's exactly what he has to say. okay? and which is to say that you're just talking about -- we're talking about europe before the break. many countries including in ukraine, i was just in berlin and prague a few weeks ago, they

have been planning for this outcome. this is not like 2016, they have been courting various people that they think are in the trump orbit to try to get their ear, particularly the ukrainians because they are in an existential fight for the sovereignty of their country. and right after president-elect won the election, who was the first to tweet about it and flattering ways, just like vladimir putin understands? zelenskyy is leaning into this idea of an outsider, right, a television personality outsider just like you, mr. trump, because he has to do all that he can to now work with this administration. he doesn't have the luxury of sitting in palo alto like i do and analyzing what these populists are going to do. he's in a fight for his life and now he has to deal with president-elect trump and people around him like elon musk who might just pop on calls from

time to time in the new second trump term. >> ben rhodes, ukrainian friend said to me that trump is still trump. that he can still be easily and almost admittedly maneuvers by flattery. the whole world knows that. how might that be used by clever leaders in democracies to serve democracy? >> you know, i hate to be pessimistic about this, but, look, we have to learn from the first time around. and i talked to a lot of european governments at that time, as i'm sure mike and john did, they all tried it. macron tried to flatter him. ended up in getting tariffs and huge spats. teresa may tried to flatter him and same place. they're all going to try it again, because why not? they have to. i don't think at the end of the day they're the people he likes. people who run liberal democracies are not the people

that donald trump feels affinity to around the world. that's what he says. have you heard him when he lists his friends, vladimir putin and kim jong-un and all these people, he's never listing, you know, maybe boris johnson might sneak in there, i guess. now you got labor government in the uk. they'll try flattering, but i think what is more important is to know what your backup plan is, if you're the ukrainians or the europeans. and to know, you know in the united states system, i think it is also really important for those people to be talking to republicans in congress. that actually worked better for ukraine including in the trump administration. a lot of the assistance that flowed to ukraine and the trump administration was because there were large majorities in congress including republicans who wanted to do that. it is not just about trump himself and can i build this personal relationship with him, because the reality is, you know, i'm sure trump is very nice to zelenskyy, if people flatter him, he says nice things

back. that doesn't translate him into doing the things you want him to do. the elon musk part of it is notable to. it is oligarchy vibes in the sense you got titans of industry who are also titans of government. very putin-esque. early years of putin to have these kind of oligarchs who are both business men, but kind of helping to run the government. but what is alarming there is that elon musk himself has tweeted out that he supports his peace plan, putin's peace plan, you freeze the conflict and russia gets everything they currently have. that's probably not on the table, russia will push further. but he'll play this strange role that is blending his business interests and his government role and his advisory role and that's a new dynamic. we haven't seen that in the united states in a very long time. >> i want to show you some of what i think you're talking

about, which is that when given the opportunity to say something nice about a democratic leader, he never takes it, when giving the opportunity even in friendly interviews to condemn the world's dictators, he never takes that either. here is trump on orban and xi. >> that's the question they asked victor orban, a very strong -- they said he's a strong man. sometimes you need a strong man. he's a strong man. they said he called president xi brilliant. he's a brilliant guy. whether you like it or not, they go crazy. >> doesn't mean he's not evil or doesn't mean he's not dangerous. >> of course. but actually, we have evil people in our country. >> that rogan clip is so reminiscent of an interview that trump did with joe scarborough and the guy at fox, o'reilly, questioning him about putin and

he says, you know, joe did and o'reilly did, he kills people, he kills journalists and trump says we kill people too and, you know, good on mr. rogan there to say, doesn't mean he's not dangerous, it doesn't mean he's not evil. and trump sees no difference between the brutality in an autocracy and what his role would be as president. what signal does that send to you, director brennan? >> sends a signal that donald trump is most impressed by ruthless strength, and wealth. and if you look at the people that he associates with, and speaks highly of, whether it be vladimir putin or xi jinping or victor orban, they have been able to manipulate the politics and system within their countries in order to suppress any opposition and to be the authoritarian leader that i think donald trump wants to be. also, elon musk, this is

something that donald trump salivates over and wants elon musk very much associated and affiliated with the administration. when donald trump was elected in 2016, ways hoping that he was going to grow into the role of the presidency. i told the workforce, once he assumes the responsibilities of the presidency, that he's going to recognize just how important that role is. and his first term was a serious disappointment in that regard. and unfortunately we have a track record here, and now the second term, he's limited by constitution by law to two terms, and he is going to, i think, try to do as much as he can in order to be the disruptive leader, the autocratic authoritarian leader he wants to be. i think that looking at the years ahead, this is going to be a very turbulent time, not just for u.s. national security and domestic policy, but also for the global landscape in terms of how the u.s. role is evolving and how russia, china and others are going to take advantage of

that. >> what's interesting is that in the transition in '16, so much of this happened behind closed doors. and was learned about through investigative journalism and ambassador mcfaul, we know so much from trump's own cabinet this time. we know from john kelly that he doesn't know anything about what it means to be an american. it seems like he doesn't understand that strongman is a term. he's saying strong space, man, like muscles. doesn't understand any of the lexicon of sort of the ideological spectrum of styles and types of government. has no clue from how mr. joe rogan, joe rogan is asking about the brutality of xi that ruling people with an iron fist isn't good if you're doing it by force. no sensibility. this is what the american people in a popular vote victory, this is what they chose, after

hearing from every member of donald trump's first national security team, that he was dangerous and wouldn't garner the support of the people who are in the situation room with him, in the oval office room, rooms with him at the pentagon with him. what does that mean for us as a country? >> well, i would say two things, first, president-elect trump in 2016 was just as surprised as i was that he won. he had not planned to take over. he then reached out to kind of people i know, to join his administration, and brought in people that i disagree with on some things, but were people that had national security credentials, bunch of generals, you mentioned one of them, h.r. mcmaster, defense secretary mattis, none of those people will be with him this time around. he got in a fight with all of them and some wrote memoirs about it. instead, he'll have sycophants that will support him to do

these more radical things. but, second, to your point, he now thinks he has a mandate from the american people to do things like pulling out of nato and cutting off assistance. that's not empirically true, right? i want to remind you, majorities in the senate and the house voted overwhelmingly for aid to ukraine. he's conflated that, that people voting because they're pissed off about inflation, thinks that we want to blow up the international system. that is dangerous. he thinks he has that mandate. i would add one more thing. he didn't really know how to run the u.s. government the last time around. you may be surprised to know this, but democracy assistance in the first trump term went up. he didn't care about democracy. but it went up because that's our system was working that way, particularly with congress as ben was pointing out. now he has a team around him that has dug into that and understands better how it runs and i think that's also dangerous as well. >> we will continue to call on

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when roe v. wade was overturned, i woke up with a harsh reality of my abuse was over, but my story is not. and i just could not fathom thinking about the other hadleys out there that don't have that choice, that don't have somebody to go to, so, being able to find courage and be the light for them, that's really what i do it for. >> i'm speaking out for every single person in this country, whether you agree with what i'm doing or not, i would not wish what i went through on my worst enemy. and for those folks who think that this might be niche, you're not going to care when it is your mother, your sister, your wife, your aunt. and for everyone in this country, we need to stop the suffering that's going on. >> they are super heroes walking the earth. we had the privilege of speaking to them many times on this program. and make no mistake, on tuesday

night, they won. that was, of course, hadley duvall and amanda swarovski, two of many women who we got to know who inspired us by coming forward to share some of their most painful hours as human beings, deeply personal stories that happened to just about any group of five, six women gathered, you can bet what happened to them happened to one of them statistically speaking. no one talked about it before these two women. their stories propelled abortion rights, ballot measures to huge victories. they were lost in the outcome of the presidential race, but abortion rights won on tuesday. all over the country. in seven out of ten states, where abortion rights were on the ballot, they won as trump would say bigley and as democrats try to figure out why the energy didn't attach to the top of the ticket, to vice

president kamala harris, the same women who inspired us to have these conversations with the men in our lives and the voters of this country have a message of hope for us today. they're still giving us hope about the fight that starts today. and amanda wrote this, i'm not done yet, none of us are. the fight has only just begun. take time to grieve today. but then prepare for battle tomorrow. and, remember, the one thing they can never take away from us is each other. hadley duvall added this, we are pissed, we are outbroken, we have rage. as we should. but we are not done. to the young girls who feel like nobody sees you, i do and this fight will always be for you. here with us, amanda and hadley. with me at the table, minnie

timoraju. let me start with you, minnie. it is friday. it is -- i don't know what your week has been like, but it is time to stay in the fight. and the truth is these fights were successful. these fights were won. >> yes. and, you know, if we count -- i want to count florida. >> 57%. >> 57%. and if it weren't for their incredibly antidemocratic rules, 60% threshold, the majority of floridians are with us on this issue. the folks in those seven other states are with us on this issue. you mentioned it, but i'll reiterate, down ballot we had success too. elissa slotkin ran on this issue and won. tammy baldwin won on this issue and won. that's michigan and wisconsin, critical states. bob casey is in a fight for his life right now and he ran on this issue. we flipped -- we won states -- supreme court races in michigan and wisconsin on this issue. we won the pennsylvania house

just went our direction on this issue. so, we have been fighting down ballot, i think there is a big question about what happened at the top of the ticket. we definitely missed the mark on making sure we pinned it on donald trump. we were not believed. he was able to conflate and confuse americans on this position. and we were not able to make that final closing argument about trump. but -- >> why do you think that was? the incoherent seemed to have aided him. i heard women are, like, no, he's not against abortion. >> he did a press disciplined job which is weird to say about donald trump and pretty disciplined about repeating the same argument that i said to the states. i sent it to the states, and that was very popular. the last part wasn't true, but the part about sending it to states and it is up to the states is true. >> helped propel the -- >> yes. and we did have early indication on the doors. a place like arizona, where my team was very much on the ground

early on, talking about the ballot measure, that folks would say, i'm for trump and the ballot measure. like, well, they felt -- there was comfort, like, i can protect my abortion rights on the state but then vote on the border with trump. i think ruben gallego will pull it out in arizona in the end. he's trending really well, still counting in arizona. he ran on abortion rights. but running against kari lake, incredibly unpopular and toxic, but also a woman. so one of the things i think is really incumbent on us as institutions that are working with the democratic party is to unpack some of the misogyny and some of the racism. i don't think you can detach the analysis from that because we did see in some cases women running on this issue and succeeding, but we also saw in some places a really rampant misogynistic element and the way that trump is running that really resonated with black and latino men.

>> so alarming to contemplate. i think, amanda, in looking at the work that you and your husband did, i think that putting men in the conversation might have happened too late. i think it absolutely changed the game. and i think it changed politics forever because i know again anecdotally and some of it is in the data that some of this split ticket was a way to explain to the women in their lives that i did protect you, i'm just terrified about the cost of everything. economic rage and anxiety fueled a lot of the decision-making at the top of the ballot and we would be foolish to not all rumble with that. but it did live alongside deep anxiety and deep fear for the women of america around this issue. and i wonder what you and josh plan to do to make sure this -- and i would go back to josh shapiro's midterm race and the gains that the democrats made.

everyone who has run on this male and female has prevailed when this has been the issue bumped to the top. i wonder what you and josh plan to do next. >> well, we have been talking about it a lot. and i think you're exactly right. i think one of the things that we missed the mark on with men and specifically young men is this incongruent belief they can help protect their wives, sisters, by voting for ballot measures, but then still voting for trump because they're concerned about the economy or the cost of gas and something that josh and i said over and over in the past few days is they're not going to care how much their gas costs when they're using that gas to rush their wife who is dying to the hospital because she couldn't get an abortion when she was miscarrying. and we need to connect those dots for men. we need to pin the tail on the donkey and show men and all americans who voted for trump he is responsible for what's going on in this country.

and we continue to do this work and we will continue to fight. i think we both moved through our mourning and grieving period pretty quickly and we're ready for what's next. i'm not sure what that's going to be yet. certainly 2026 is going to be critical in winning back the house if we lose it. so, whatever we can do there, politically, to help folks get elected, and also just continuing to provide this permission structure for men and women to talk about their stories, to normalize these conversations and make sure that they stay at the forefront. >> i've been so drawn to both of your public statements since tuesday because i think there is something that trauma survivors bring to a setback that you wouldn't wish on anybody, but a setback is just a setback. you've been through -- you've been through hell, hadley. it doesn't get me more real than

what you went through and told the country about. the idea of losing a presidential contest during an election, i think you the first person, first statement that i read on the air, because you were right back up there carrying about and carrying for other people, saying i see you. where does that innate political talent come from in you? i need to know. >> honestly, i know what it is like to wake up and be defeated. i did it every day for almost ten years. and, you know, if i can give anybody some hope, that's just what i want to do. life goes on. we will be okay as long as we stick together. and that's the most important part. we cannot lose the community that we built through this. the community that vice president harris led us to is so crucial that we keep and we continue to build because unfortunately even some people who may not be with us right now

will eventually join our community because these bans aren't going anywhere, unfortunately. that's the most heart breaking part. >> i want to offer this table up as a place where we can all be a community because not just because you are the bright spots from tuesday night, abortion did win when it was a question before the voters. but because of all the women who feel scared today, and because you have directly said that you see them, i think that's really important as a community, but also really important politically. i'm going to sneak in a break and ask all of you to stick around. we'll be right back. ick around we'll be right back.

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we're back. so what are the lessons learned from how successful abortion access was on tuesday? >> we have an opportunity. i've been on the show talking to you about how we peeled off republicans and independents. we got to keep them in the coalition. yes, we didn't win all the races, but we need that make sure we support contraception, ivf, they continue to be with us and mobilize and organize all year round, not just around elections. >> and amanda, by election day, trump, again, trump had a resounding electoral unpopular vote victory, but by the end he said, stop asking about it. it seems that there's an opportunity -- maybe this sounds pie in the sky. is there an opportunity to do

something bipartisan around protecting abortion access? >> i think we're going to have to. this is our new reality. we have lost the presidency, senate, likely the house. our tools are quickly losing. i think that's what we will have to do. we have do it in the legislature. we have do it at home. we have to talk to our republican friends and family and continue having these hard conversations. >> what's your message, hadley, to women and moms and dads of girls who are scared today? >> keep fighting. this doesn't go away. we are still out here. there's still help and resources. there are people who are willing to go to the ends of the earth to fight for you. i ask that anybody who is being quiet about it now, just stand up with us. that's what we need. we need so many people to be able to hold the republicans accountable who did say they are

against a national ban. let's hope we can stick with that and get it on the ballot in more places and rally around it more so now than ever. even though the election is over. >> i'm going to ask -- it's hard to say no on tv. i'm going to ask you to make this a regular thing. i hope you will come back and do this early and often. thank you for everything you did ahead of tuesday. and for spending time with us today. we have to sneak in another break. we will be right back. ack. ♪ you don't... ♪ ♪ you don't have to worry... ♪ y'all see this, patrick mahomes is saying goodbye! patrick! patrick! people was tripping.

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