of criminal justice. >> ana, once among the top breast cancer doctors was now just another convict in the texas prison system. >> the medical community has definitely lost a giant. >> dr. blumenschein went back to md anderson, treating patients and researching cures for lung cancers. and in prison dr. gonzalez began helping patients and surrendered her medical license. >> she took an oath to not hurt anyone or do no harm. she violated the hippocratic oath in the worst way. she spent -- spun a web of lies and in this case she is paying for it. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. thank you for watching. watchin

"morning joe weekend". it was a historic week in politics so let's get to some of the conversations you might have missed. >> so, peter baker, i think at this moment, even this starkest rhetoric, it sure seems like we at least start with and need tow take trump at his word that he's at least going to try these things. >> i think that's right. i think you are exactly right to remember that when we say, well, he said a lot of stuff and he doesn't really do them. he does do some of the stuff he says and the problem is discerning between those that are bluster and those he follows through. after the last election he won in 2016, during that campaign, he led rallies that chanted lock her up, about hillary clinton and he said i will put you in jail when he was on the debate stays with her after the election. he struck a different tone.

he visited the new york times editorial board and said i'm not going to do that. she's gone through enough. but at various points the next four years he threatened to do it again. it was never a settled matter. even if he comes in on january 20 and says i want to unify the country. let's move on. i've one. he is no reason to go after hiso enemies because he has one everything he wanted to have. he's one the vindication he sought these last four years to prove he really should be president. according to the voters. he even got the popular vote so he has a lot of good about and possibly says let's move on you can't count on that being a t permanent state of affairs with him. at some point in the next few in months or the next you are next four years he goes angry at something somebody says or does and then he says let's go after them again and this time that a may actually happen. remember, a lot of people whoseb lives were upended during his last tenure by investigations and other actions by his administration because he did not think they were loyal

enough to him. >> and let's remember his campaign promises retribution. and when he was presented a d moment for unity before he's never taken it, including during the covid pandemic. he even made that a national crisis, divisive. >> we've had a lot of interesting conversations about how democrats fell short and what happened. where democrats need to dig deep and regroup. but moving forward, what does f the fight for women look like now for women's rights, women's healthcare, women's freedom? and that, within, how the democratic party was forward? >> there were silver linings in the results. seven states past abortion referendums. we talked about before and scratched her head like could that happen? c >> it shows that tangible issues did break through and so when you're talking about fascism and autocracy and these issues that are too difficult to comprehend when working every day and it doesn't impact

you't, it's the tangible issues the women were impact did physically by trump's first term and then the price of x. th >> there's been this wisdom when someone says someone will win they vote for president of one party and check the power by voting for electeds. in this case it seems like voters did that with those referendums. the referendums a check on whatever ndtrump might do what his party might do to push further abortion restrictions. and i think we will keep seeing those pick the battle for america, and i've been saying this for years, is through the f states. many state legislatures hold the keys to american freedoms and i think people are newly understanding that in different ways. notably in pennsylvania where this shocking suite. bob casey losing. all of this. the pennsylvania state legislature remained democratic. that was called last night.

>> that race with casey is not called get but i hear -- i don't think they thought it would be close. >> there enough that it's not called and several are uncalled. i wanted to say this because i i've been thinking about it this week. i think the dividing line -- i've been wrong about a bunch b of things and i think we are taking stock of what we got wrong. the numbers turned out that women did vote for trump in huge numbers. but really the big dividing line, the gender lines are real, but so is the education divide and i think that is one of these places where democrats -- to me it's less about working-class and not working class and more about education and the fact that college is not accessible for millions and yet we salt that up as the ultimate bar of success. >> the same with homeownership. >> what happened on college campuses this year, think about that. you are supposed to what we to aspire to this thing i can afford that's $90,000 a year and then i get there and have

to deal with this crazy backlash to dissent? i think all of that are factors here. we need to figure out ou what happened. why the men in this country are so angry and ou so willing to sign on for il something that is against the interest of the women in their lives. >> your thoughts? >> i think i've also been reflecting on all the things the party got wrong. pa and i think it's an important moment to reflect and be humble about that and curious as to why you're one of the things laurent mentioned and you responded to, mika , is we misread abortion politics in that country. what we mean is it's not an i issue people deeply care about. they obviously do. the seven referendums are an example. but millions of people in this country voted for donald trump. a person who put in place the people in the supreme court to

overturn abortion rights and also voted to protect abortion rights. that was a huge misread. ot the other thing i tsthink democrats and people who voted for harris and her skit about trump should be sober about andb curious about is not just why ou did people move toward trump come but why did democrats and people who had been with the party for some time not come rt out and turn out for kamala an harris or the democrats. there were many headwinds. there sexism and racism. all of that is true. but i also think there is a real question i hope people start looking at about who people are listening to. in my view there wasn't over listening to and over lifting up of people who left trump. not people who left the democratic party. the people who left the democratic party other people who will win in the future. the people who left trump, the never trumpers who have important voices, that is not a winning coalition and i think that's the take away pick the listing and was say is part of

that peace, if you are listening to is also this argument and you touched on this about fascism. fascism and the threat of democracy is a huge issue in this country and one that should be talked about. journalists should talk about it and people should dig into it. it's not a good closing message to reach to the masses of the country. people don't relate to it. tr it's not understandable. and i hope that is a lesson. this is the last thing. it's this. there are moments -- i know joe was talking about this early. i worked for john kerry when hej lost to president bush. that was a real how did that happen moment. work for the democratic congressional campaign committee for rahm emanuel when the democrats won back the dienf house. that was two years later. mp and then i work for barack obama, who no one would have w bet was going to be the next nominee or the next president after george w. bush. t as dark as people feel. as fearful as people feel.

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i am a huge believer in humility in victory and humility and defeat. in both cases. we've all heard the saying, you are never as good as people say you are or never as bad as people say you are. so, when you win, i will say, if harris had won the race i would be lecturing democrats that they needed to be humble.

they needed to keep their heads down. they needed to bring the country together. in defeat, humility to say, how do we get so disconnected? jen, i want to follow up on something you said because what democrats need to be asking is, why did so many people stay home and not vote? two numbers. first number is 12 million less people voted for kamala harris than joe biden. but here's the kicker. are you ready for this? donald trump got 4 million votes less, jen. 4 million votes less this year than he got four years ago. if democrats had turned out and independents and republicans, if they had a message -- and by the way this is so and i'm

going to say it right here, this is such a shared defeat. anybody looking at kamala harris or jen o'malley dillon or david cluff are looking in the wrong direction. the need to look in the mirror and look at the democratic party that has been offending working- class americans for 30 years now. running them off for 30 years now. and, jen, how shocking is it that, again, donald trump got 4 millions votes less and now democrats are going, oh, my gosh. this is the greatest landslide of all time. how did it happen? it happened because they stayed home. because a lot of voters that voted for her last time stayed home. forgive me for going on but this is an important point. we can look at hispanics and go, oh my god.

how many hispanics voted for donald trump? oh my god. how many blechman voted for donald trump? he still got 4 million less votes in 2024 then he got in 2020. so they could've easily made that up. but they didn't come out and vote. and what many of us thought was the most important election of our lifetime. >> no doubt. i will say for people who are hyperventilating at home and hyperventilation a little bit is good in this moment that all the votes are not counted yet so those gaps will never of it. but i think, one, everyone out there who said there were headwinds, the were. molly harris made up a lot of ground that would not of been the case a couple months ago if there not been a change at the top of the ticket but your point is the one people should be thinking about here. this was not a vote because donald trump has 1/10,000,000 more votes than he did four years ago. there were people who did not feel moved, motivated, connected to the democratic party.

and you played a lot of these people a few minutes ago. does a lot of diagnosing out there of what happened here. it's too progressive. it's to this or that. woke up this and that. look. everyone needs to be more humble than all those diagnoses right now. young people do not turn out. progressives did not turn out. people who may have found it to be appealing, the messaging that is left leaning as the critics are sagging. to meet what is most appealing to me are the elected officials, the governors, people who are saying we have to start listening. listening to what people are saying. why did they feel disconnected? why can't the party that has the policies that should help working people and help non- college-educated voters not connect? it's not a problem with the product necessarily. it's a problem with how it's being sold. it is a problem with how it's been connected. and the other thing. i am a college educated white women, clearly. the message is geared too much toward me. it is geared toward me.

and it's not geared toward a mass of the public and that is a moment to really be clear about. i do think, though, for people who are feeling hopeless and powerless in this moment, you are not powerless and that's why i wanted to mention when the democrats left the house in 2006 and barack obama emerged. you are not powerless. when donald trump was elected he said he would get rid of the aca. you know what happened? people got active. the call to members of congress. they went to meetings. he said absolutely not. you cannot take away my health insurance. and guess what? it did not happen. every fight will not be one but no one is powerless sitting on the couch right now. there is a lot to happen because a lot of people to get excited about. it will people who will emerge that were not even talking about right now. as much as there needs to be reflection, there's also power in this moment too. >> and, jen, of course, so right. they are this or that. you don't know.

there are a lot of different reasons. i will say this though, peter baker, i am so glad that jim brought up 2004 because i remember after democrats lost in 2004, and i think probably the most depressed people democrats have been around manhattan from what willie guist is reporting to me, probably up until now. but i remember a book came out that i thought was -- the title was the epitome of arrogance. the democrats lose and the best- selling book is called, what's the matter with kansas? and i sat there looking at the book title laughing, going, maybe this is why democrats lose. instead of asking what is the matter with kansas? maybe the correct answer is, what's the matter with the

democratic party? and 20 years later we are back there again. >> yeah. is going to be a lot of soul- searching and a lot of bloodletting on the democratic side. how did this go so badly for them? how could they not beat a guy with 34 felony convictions and a record of trying to overturn an election and talking about terminating the constitution? all the normal rules of politics would suggest that's not a hard contest and yet democrats lost. it's worth remembering, to jen's point, politics is cyclical. if you go back to 1974 after watergate and the dems came rushing back taking the house and in strong form, you would not have imagined republicans would be back in the white house in six years and with an extraordinary figure as ronald reagan turned out to be in terms of transforming the party. i remember listening to clinton aides, bill clinton aides after he won re-election in 1996. this is a realignment.

this is a long-term structural change was democrats will be successful now for decades as a result. four years later george w. bush wins the white house. i remember listening to the bush people after 2004 saying this is a permanent, long-term, sustained change and our electorate. we had a realignment and republicans will do well for a long time and four years later barack obama is there. an election is important and people try to diagnose and say we need to be more this or they need to be more that. but at the same time elections, four years later or two years later, turn on different things. people end up fighting the last war. after the 2012 republican lost to barack obama they produce an autopsy of the things they thought they did wrong and the things they should do differently. and donald trump came along and look at that. toss it in the trash and the opposite and was successful. we don't really know what will

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we've been discussing this morning what propelled trump to his win and, david, your latest reporting focuses on trump's potential plans to politicize the department of justice and how those could lead, how that could lead to chaos and paralysis within the department and agencies overseas, some of which include the dea, the fbi,

the federal bureau of prisons, the u.s. marshals service and the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms and explosives. what more can you tell us and can you perhaps pop in a little bit of what we were talking about before we went on the air? >> the whole issue, and this is uncharted water as trump has come in bowing to criminally investigate the biden administration and biden family. maybe the attorney general, jack smith and the press special prosecutor. that's never happened before. there probably will be people who refuse to carry out such prosecutions. the supreme court with humanity bowling has made it possible for trump to call the attorney general and order the attorney general to investigate joe biden. that's not legal thanks to this decision ordered the spring but the chaos could come if line prosecutors, career people who work for republicans and democrats refuse to carry out meritless prosecutions you will see legal battles. we will be covering it and it will be and on steroids version of the infighting and chaos was all inside the fbi and doj.

really the paralysis. that's the most important thing our disagreement was on the first term. >> so, if you could explain how the were attempts the first time around because this could be very different because he knows come he knows what positions he needs to fill. >> is more skilled at choosing people. one of the people who we are hearing from izzy's being considered as a possible attorney general is a lawyer named mark. his close friends with justice clarence thomas cookies tweeted during the campaign the biden justice department invented crimes against president trump. there is serious evidence here of mishandling classified documents and january 6 he is very much a defender. he defended jenni thomas when she was asked to appear before the january 6 committee and has called justice thomas our greatest supreme court justice. and i think there's a lot of people, in part because of what trump has said, and others, who

believe there is a deep state. they believe trump did win in 2020 and we saw this in the durham investigation. that was the special counsel who we term. they did not find these crimes. james comey was not indicted and jon burnett was not part of the secret cia conspiracy so we don't know what will happen here. they will investigate the biden family or maybe jack smith and merrick garland. will they bring cases? when durham brought cases, he lost. juries failed to convict everyone that john durham try to convict. >> it was largely believed, david, that a lot of these investigations, like james comer, were to hurt joe biden in the presidential campaign. he famously said there's a lot of smoke and no fire yet but a lot of smoke and it ended up being all smoke. he never brought any evidence. is the opinion of people you talk to is they will continue to pursue joe biden and others

in this administration and then maybe that wasn't just a political stunt? >> there's political pressure to do that because this was a central part of this message. the corrupt biden family. bill barr, you know, the hunter biden investigation launched under bill barr. he kept it secret and, again, to credit -- and trying to be there in the partisan, but the biden justice department did prosecute hunter biden. hunter biden has pled guilty to tax charges. he has been convicted of the gun charges. senator menendez, robert menendez, convicted. henry cuellar, another democrat. eric adams, again. i'm not sure they will find that much but i think the early stages you will see lots of criminal investigations under a second trump administration. >> there's been so much talk about institutions. will they hold. largely, for the most part, they held in trump's first term right up to the moment mike pence refused to overturn the election on january 6. fears this time that those institutional guardrails are not there. what is the level of

concern you would have a someone who understands the law and people you talk to injustice about just that? >> well, i think donald trump has telegraphed the areas he's more serious about. we know at times he lost focus or he would put out sweets and move onto the next thing. but the justice department, and would argue integration powers, are two areas where he is super focused. so, we have all covered this. we will come into a second term completely fair and objective and see what happens. this candidate that david mentioned, it's fine to have a favorite supreme court justice and it's fine to defend clients in private practice and do so zealously. but this is an individual who is also trafficked and ranking baseless conspiracy theories about the very doj that he would potentially run so that is something you may not get a lot of deep soul-searching from the new republican senate if it will rubber-stamp. so the other checks will be the judges who oversee warrants in

the subpoena process, the juries, as you alluded to. if you have a spectrum here of where you more or less are concerned, i think you're more concerned on unfettered executive power, which is military power. potentially how the viewer try to view immigration powers, and things they can do that are secret so it may not find out until the press does its work, which we will do. i think anything subject to a judge, we have lifetime federal judges, yes, you can try to form shop or get it in front of the trump appointee or whatnot. we have other judges and we have an appeals process and juries. those are areas where there are some guardrails. there are other areas where there are less guardrails and by the end of the first term, again, donald trump himself admitted the goals. goals were to politicize, abuse and target enemies. he tried to wasn't publicly claiming we will see where the facts go. >> it wasn't threats. he was actually trying to execute. >> is worth pointing out that as we talk about retribution

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decency over division. that's who we are as north carolinians, and i am so honored that you have elected me to be your next governor. >> that was north carolina governor-elect josh stein giving us his victory speech on tuesday in raleigh. despite donald trump women north carolina's 16 electoral votes, stein, i democrat, won his race debating the current republican lieutenant governor, mark robinson. in fact, 15% of those who voted for trumper president also back to stein for governor. in addition, democrats in north carolina have broken the gop's super majority in the state legislature after flipping a key seat in a district just east of raleigh. that means come january, republicans will not be able to override any details from the incoming democratic governor. the governor-elect joins us now

and is currently the state's attorney general. it's great to have you on the show. congratulations. there were -- how do i say this -- there were some crosscurrents and your election that impacted the outcome and, yet, i'd like to know what you think was part of the success of bringing folks from the other side to vote for you. that perhaps went beyond the weaknesses your opponents were revealed, were revealed about your opponents in the final weeks before election day. >> i'm incredibly honored that the people of north carolina impacted me to be the governor. very grateful and eager to get to work on the issues that matter. and i think that's what we had success here in north carolina. we will able to present the stark contrast and it wasn't just my race. it was up and down the ballot here and north carolina between folks who fight for people on issues that matter to them in their daily lives, and to deliver in a

meaningful way against people who were just extremists. and i'm really gratified the voters not only elected me, but we defended our secretary of state and the attorney general's office. we flipped the lieutenant governor and superintendent of public instruction. and as you noted, we broke the super majority in the state house. there is a lot on what was otherwise a great night and north carolina or across the nation at the presidential level . we had a good night and north carolina and now it's time to get to work. >> governor-elect. good morning and congratulations. i know your busy preparing for the heels big protest to kansas tomorrow night so we will try to be brief with you as you get ready for that game. i want to ask you about what was determinative in your race because there's been so much talk, so much morning after, so much discussion about where democrats went wrong in national races and some of the senate races. can you speak to the way you

rent your campaign and what lessons may be available to the democrats as they try to pick up the pieces for what happened on tuesday night? >> you have to do two things. you have to reassure folks that you actually care for them and you will work on issues that matter to them. people want to know they will be safe in their home and neighborhoods. they want to know that the economy is going to present more opportunities for people to have a better future. they want to know that their personal freedoms -- women's right to make their own reproductive health care decisions, will be respected. and when you contrast that to where my opponent was, i think it was a clear choice. and the additional factor is that i have a history of delivering for folks in north carolina. i made two term attorney general. the only attorney general in the country who was a democrat to represent a state the trump one twice. and it's the same thing. i showed folks that are willing to work across the aisle to get good things done because good ideas don't have a home in one party.

there are enough good ideas out there. i partnered with the republicans to fight the fentanyl crisis. i partnered with republicans to eliminate what had been the largest backlog of untested kits in the nation. partnered with republicans to modernize our crime laws to better protect children. these are issues that clearly matter to all people because victims are democrats and republicans and unaffiliated. it doesn't matter as long as you are fighting for the people of north carolina. >> mr. governor-elect, there has been a lot of second guessing about democrats and how they left some of the coalition behind. we saw that now president-elect trump need real inroads with latino voters pick smaller with black voters but a little. you have success there. what is your message. what can the national party line from your victory in terms of not -- of ensuring, i should say, those groups don't feel taken for granted? >> just fight for people.

people have a lot of the same interests no matter who they are. whether you are latino, african american, white, asian. it doesn't matter. everybody wants good schools. everyone wants an economy where they have a fair shot at making it. everybody wants safe neighborhoods. everybody wants their personal freedoms respected. if you talk about those issues and await that appeals to all people and you show you can deliver on them and you have a track record of getting things done, i believe the voters will reward us. coming up. the federal reserve lowered interest rates by a quarter percentage point yesterday its second cut in as many months. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin and msnbc's stephanie ruhle join us next with the wall street reaction, as well as jerome powell's comments that he will not leave the fed, even if president-elect trump asks them to. that's straight ahead on "morning joe weekend" .

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some of the president- elect's advisers have suggested you should resign. if he asked you to leave, would you go? >> no. >> do think that wrigley you're not required to leave? >> no. >> do you believe the president has the power to buy or demote you and it has the fed determined the legality of the president demoting at will any of the other governors with leadership positions? >> not permitted under the law. >> that was federal reserve chairman jerome powell answering questions yesterday after the central bank announce another rate cut. donald trump, who appointed powell when he was president in 2017 has repeatedly threatened to fire him. let's bring in co-anchor of cnbc's squawk box and a new york times columnist, ross sorkin and senior business analyst and host of the 11th hour, stephanie ruhle. definitely want to hear from both of you on this. jerome powell.

go. >> i think it was very direct and purposeful. both the questions were purposeful. the answers were purposeful and i think in case anyone thinks there's something going on, it's unlikely to go on. and i think what he is effectively saying is you come for me and were going to court over this. i think it was basically if you're reading between the nine what was being said. also it's worth noting -- it's very unlikely in a court case they could win. the different question is, and you heard scott besse and his been speculated as potential treasury secretary -- he's talked about this idea of trying to appoint somebody in advance and they become a shadow fed chair. even if there was someone appointed in advance, they don't really become the shadow picture because they're not on the board so the not making the decisions. >> but the markets would be paying attention to what that person is saying and anticipation. it's sort of like jake powell is -- kind of in a position like he's the new anthony fauci . he had to perform a herculean task. he achieved it and he is under

an enormous amount of scrutiny and pressure. donald trump is going to want to keep money as cheap as possible. he's going to want to have rates as low as possible. and he doesn't want the fed to be independent. however, assuming donald trump will listen to advisers, jake powell has done a great job. so this trump attacking him, he may backup because donald trump will be stepping into an administration where the economy is going very well. so this idea that he is coming for jake powell, i'm not sure that's the case? >> we may be looking at this wrong. joe, jumping. >> stephanie, as far as the comparison between jake powell and anthony fauci, anthony fauci work at the pleasure of the president, right? jake powell can say exactly that. i'm not going anywhere. you could name anybody but it's jake powell and the fed that has the power to adjust rates, correct?

>> yes, but what of the republican-controlled senate says were going to change the rules? what if they say we will change the fed independence? given the current framework and the current rules, you are right, powell can say pound salt. this is my job and you have no control over me for now. we know how donald trump feels about independence and we know he's going to have a great deal of power because he did not just win. republicans won up and down the ticket. so what the exact roles are could change. >> i would add one thing we talked about this before. it really is this red wave across the board. the governor on all of this is going to be bond investors. the bond market will say, where not having this pick one of the things they will say is a non- independent bed. so, i think, from a practical perspective, if the president- elect is going to be practical about it, i think you will say -- and even if he wants to do something about it -- i think he will be forced to back off

because the markets will say were not doing this. coming up, emmy award- winning actor jason siddique is and executive director of the steps of faith foundation, join us straight ahead to discuss this year's celebrity benefit concert. ubrelvy works fast, most have migraine pain relief within 2 hours. you can treat it anytime, anywhere, without worrying where you are, or if it's too late. don't take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. allergic reactions to ubrelvy can happen. most common side effects were nausea and sleepiness. migraine pain relief starts with you. ask about ubrelvy. learn how abbvie could help you save.

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and i didn't know i'd be missing you so. come monday, it'll be all right. come monday, i'll be holding you tight. i spent four lonely days and a brown, his, and i just want you back by my side ♪ >> nice. jimmy buffett from jason to take his at leicester celebrity concert, thundergong. his rendition of jimmy buffett? classic hits, come monday. he is hosted the event since it launched in 2017 featuring a native musicians and comedians coming together to help uninsured amputees get the prosthetic limbs they need. it's in partnership with the nonprofit, steps of faith foundation. this year show takes place tomorrow in kansas city. sudeikis has been on morning joe the last several years to talk about this important cause, including from his car

during covid . the guy always showed up event has helped raise more than $3 million since its inception providing prosthetics for more than 1400 people across the country and jason siddique is joins us again with his good friend, the executive director of the steps of faith foundation, billy brimblecom. the co-creators of the thundergong event . so great to have you back. it's become an annual tradition as you head into this big event. billy, for people who don't know about this cause, if you could share a bit about it and your personal story that brought you guys together on this. >> yeah. so, yeah, steps of faith foundation. what we do is we get prosthetic limbs for amputees who have no health insurance or no prosthetic coverage. so, medicaid, in a few states in this country, does not cover prosthetic care for adults, which is crazy but true. so we are there when people have no other option and they want to get back on their feet and back to work and back to life, back to taking care of themselves and their families.

i lost my left leg above the knee to a really rare form of cancer ewing's sarcoma in 2005. i was a full-time musician at the time and, again, unfortunately lived to tell the tale. and so, yeah, needless to say i have a personal connection and i'm one of the people we help. >> and you are the house band, understand, summer breeze. a little yacht rock bringing the easy listening to the folks in the arena. so, jason, emerges singing a little jimmy buffett. you and hannah crushed shallow as well. you bring it to the event. what is so special about that night for you? been a big part of it is doing it with one of my best friends. we helped him out back in 2006 putting together a little comedy and music concert for just him and raising a bunch of money so he could afford to walk again. and, yeah, the good feelings of putting on the show that we would love to watch ourselves

as the exclusive and intentional benefit of helping people. a lot of times people we will never actually meet. it's one of those nice things that sends a good ripple effect and vibration out into the universe that hopefully will come back and if not affect me, affect our kids. >> jason, we should note this year's show is sold out the people can still donate to the cause at thundergong.org. we briefly flashed a list of some of the performers but give us a preview of what we should expect this year. can't help but note that weird al yankovic is on the bill. >> weird al yankovic and flavor flavor. they are the '80s and '90s of me including the 2024 version of me is extremely excited. i mean, the fact that i will get to pretend to be chuck d for a few minutes here and there. that will be thrilling. but, yeah, like i said earlier, it came together. billy's idea

of how do we do that thing you guys did for me for a bunch of other people? i guess we will do the same thing but with more people in charge money for it and that's what we are doing and it comes from a place of us trying to make a show we would love to watch. and the song list is quite eclectic. i said that it's -- the other date -- that it ends up being a mixed tape that your cooler, older brother put together for some girl he was madly in love with. >> anyone wants to listen to that. billy, give us a sense of the scale of how many people are losing their limbs in america. i saw from our producer sending us an amazing briefing note, 500 people in the u.s. lose a limb every day. >> yeah. that seems fake, right? >> it felt fake. >> yeah. the first time i heard it i thought, that can't be right. check the notes. yeah. just in america, just over 500

per day. and, again, health insurance is a mess. not everybody can afford it or have it. as i mentioned before, medicaid and a handful of states doesn't cover prosthetic care. the need for what we do is great and, unfortunately, isn't going away. steps of faith had a goal to help 300 amputees this year in 2024. we have already helped over 380 so the demand is insane. the success of our thundergong event and coming on the show to talk to you guys has allowed us to not slow down and have to pump the brakes and be able to meet this demand that is flying in every day into her office to help these people pick that's why were here again. that's all we have time for today. tune in tomorrow for