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saturday, november 9, it has been a week. today we will start to process what happened and what is still happening in the senate and house. the policy priorities and the people most likely to carry them out. we look at the fight ahead for democrats, how they are planning to address the gop's worst instincts. welcome to a special three-hour addition of the weekend. we are now four days removed from election day and there is a lot to unpack and there are races still to call. last night nbc projected that jackie rosen will hold onto her nevada senate seat. nbc has yet to call senate races

in pennsylvania or arizona but we know republicans will control the chamber. alice of her personnel is, there are 19 races yet to be called. republicans need to take six seats to control the house and with trump in the white house we must remind ourselves that none of this is normal. he is returning to office having been convicted of crimes and with retribution on his mind. tim walz had this message. >> we know what is coming down the pipe, they told us. we will need to be ready to defend the progress we made in arizona. >> this is not a time to throw up our hands, it is a time to roll up our sleeves, to organize, mobilize and stay engaged. for the sake of freedom and justice.

>> where do we want to begin? >> let's begin with, we can start at the presidency. we will unpack all of the races, talk about all of the intricacies. we have great guests to do that. people literally on the ground. i talked to a lot of strategists, people who worked on the vice president and governor's campaign and democrats were just disappointed because she ran a remarkable -- she gave it her all. there are gaps in the campaign that we have seen but she gave it her all. to watch her go out there this week, she walked out to the podium and you heard a shaken

her voice but she got through the speech. i think it is important for people to hear. every democrat took south carolina except for harris. operatives have been talking saying we are tired. >> she underperformed her numbers from 2020, the democratic numbers from 2020, that is the first problem despite a incredibly good ground game. republicans did not need one because they played in the digital space. they had been targeting and reaching their audience, i was wondering where the ground game was, now we know. it was in the air. the fact that both candidates underperformed, there were voters that set out the race, voters that as you rightly pointed out in north carolina and other examples, where the

down ballot races, democrats did well but she did not. there is a lot of things that went into it and it does not help to have the former speaker of the house coming out in second guessing the race and i guess that is part of the game. that tells me even from the beginning of this 112, 115 days ago that the democrats were not all in on this the way they probably should have been to the extent that there is still a higher level of underperformance in such a critical race. >> what do you mean? >> the numbers. >> the turnout, that means people stayed home. >> in my world that is underperforming, if you do not turn out your vote that is

underperformance. i do not know how else you cut that. you have to meet your target. if i have 100 people show out in year one and then 70 in year two then i underperformed to turn out my vote particularly in a race where you know the other side is all in. i am not saying that is the critical factor but that is one of many factors layered one on top of the other that made this race in hindsight more difficult for the vice president. then we thought in the moment. we thought the ground game and all of the other pieces were going to do that but then you had the conversations about black men that did what they needed to do. white women, 52% state, i want

to go with the adjudicated criminal and the guy that wants to deport everybody. same with white men but even younger women went with trump. at a level we did not see from 2020 so there is a lot of dynamics that played into these narratives which will be interesting for all of the political folks to unpack. they have to unpack it correctly to understand what the voters are saying. at the end of the day the voters will tell you what they want and some argue that democrats did not hear what the voters were saying and i would say that going back to the time wasted on the filibuster in the first few months of the administration but that is all cumulative for me but i do not know what you guys think. >> you both said important things i want to take the time to unpack and i do not want to skip over all was said, somebody talked about fatigue. i think it is black women in this country that are feeling the fatigue. >> black people at large. >> as both of you know among

the many factors was a global phenomenon and the anti- incumbency we saw it play out in the uk, france, i think you are pointing to something more uniquely american and i want to make sure we have the time to talk about it. >> to this point about the uk and whatnot, one of the criticisms people had of biden was he talked too much about defending his record and not enough about the future or addressing all of the unfinished work. talking about america having the best gdp and recovery of any g7 country. all of that is true, if you go outside the u.s. and talk to our friends and europe they would love to have america's economy. none of them have what the u.s.

has, none of them tackled inflation the way we did led by biden and harris so this overlaying of this is just a phenomenon of pandemic fatigue, that does not apply to the u.s. because if you ask any other global leader or person in another country they would say they wish to be in the u.s. so this is not that and i believe yes there was misogyny and racism, how in wisconsin does tammy baldwin hold on and harris does not? how in michigan does alyssa take it and harris does not? there are things we have to talk about many things can be true at the same time as michael pointed to. the turnout was not the same for democrats. when you have a campaign that raises $1 billion and we are learning that the vice

president campaign is 20 million in debt and it is my understanding that they were in debt as of october. there is something to be said there. how do the consultants and strategists and senior advisors and the media buying folks make out with all of this cash, the vice president is breaking her back to get everybody's votes and raising this money and we are in debt, it does not make any sense. one can argue instead of spending most of the money on advertisements which with the last finance report that is what we have, the biggest line item. the paid media budget and the events. where was the money that can go to some of the groups organizing folks for the last couple of cycles? organizing matters, does it not? there are internal conversations that democratic party has to have and the last

thing i will note is after the election everybody collectively, people rejected progressive the left and democrats went too far to the left, that is not rooted in reality. republicans ran against democrats in all of these issues that democrats were not even talking about on the campaign trail so one can argue the culture wars have been the playbook and although they are a distraction i believe the culture wars are also the playbook, when not effectively countered, going back to 2024 and biden said i am not defunding the police, he fundamentally believed that. there are many things at play but the lack of turnout, base democratic voters, to meet those people deserve the treatment white voters in 2016 got, i want to see the journalist going to the barbershops and disaffected black communities and ask

people why they did not come out. ask why was turnout lower? that is the only way to understand. we have to ask the voters why. democrats never took the majority of white voters since 1964. >> you still have to address your problem with white women. in three cycles now they have undercut the efforts of the national party and the candidate at the top of the ticket. there are also the aspects of just basic gameplay. messaging and to your point simone, not addressing in a counter move the negative response or storylines. you have a transgender advertisement, a $30 million purchase, that ran during nfl

games, sporting events and there was not one countermeasure to that advertisement for a dangerous period of time meaning you allowed the advertisement to resonate and sink in with the voters. even though nobody was talking about it on the campaign, republicans were directly with voters. that is a strategy i think democrats will have to look at going forward. as they do this internal rework and soul-searching about how they level up against a asymmetrical party. i think folks know republicans follow the lead of their asymmetrical principle. donald trump randy's campaigns that are everywhere all at once and if you do not know how to play that level you will find yourself with those types of advertisements playing in this market while you are looking at something in the other market

that will come back to bite you later on. there are a lot of other aspects we will get into over the next couple of hours about this campaign. you begin to see some of the elements taking shape in the last few days of the campaign where the advertising money was going in one direction and buys were going in another. >> highway robbery. >> with all of that taking place you have the policy priority of a second trump administration coming into the focus. later congresswoman debbie helps us put the focus on michigan. you are watching the weekend. that urologists can diagnose and have been treating for more than 8 years with xiaflex®, the only fda-approved nonsurgical treatment for appropriate men with pd. along with daily gentle penile stretching and straightening exercises, xiaflex has been proven to help gradually reduce the bend. don't receive if the treatment area involves your urethra; or if you're allergic to any of the ingredients.

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it does not matter if you call it project 20/25 or gender 47, trump plans to reshape the government as we know it. it could include using military as a tool to carry a pass deportations, sweeping tariffs, rising prices for working families, trump made a lot of promises during the 2024 cycle. everything from education, reproductive rights, the rule of law, that is all on the table for discussion. joining the table, msnbc political contributor and white house correspondent, and

founder of principles, first welcome gentlemen. >> where is the trump administration going to start? >> the meetings they are having in florida is starting with immigration, no surprise. they are trying to see what they can do without congress first of all. what the president can do without anybody saying yes or no. what is interesting about the language that changed over the last couple of weeks with trump, talking about this mass deportation, the biggest one in history as he put it, he added people with criminal backgrounds. people who are criminals in his eyes. there is a argument to be made among trump supporters that anyone that has come in the country illegally they see as criminals but that gives him a little bit of wiggle room for it not to be everybody so that is something folks should watch.

that is probably number one. he will also look at reshaping the government. before he left office in 2020 he had this policy, you can change policies as president about changing the designation of people who are civil servants and making them political appointees, biden rolled that back and that is something that is probably coming back on day one. those are the kinds of things that people watching immigration, some of the economic stuff he had been talking about, what that looks like is hard to tell but immigration is top priority for them. >> nbc is reporting asylum deportations, quote trumps team is considering ending to biden programs that allowed more than 2 .3 million immigrants enter the u.s. illegally.

that is literally people here under temporary protective status which is a program that has been around since the 90s. republicans voted to institute the program. let's pick up off of what eugene said. the civil servants designation to political appointees sounds like project 2025. >> exactly, i think that was a lot of the blueprint, you will see them come in quickly and try to make these big moves that will make a lot of news. people are going to be exercised by what they try to do but i think the american people need to just focus. these guys know where the door knobs are but they are not

particularly competent in the plan they laid out for this, a deportation like this has never been tried, i am not confident in four years time, i do not think the wall will have been dealt. they will have these haphazard deportations across the country, it will not be particularly effective at solving the problem of immigration. democrats, people watching this at home and thinking is is going to help us solve the problems? i think they will be disappointed and it is a opportunity to be competent and focused on the issues and really fix the problems. as we know, trump and those around him are chaos agents. they talk a game but do they know how to get the job done? i am not sure. >> i think it is a good point that heath makes but there are a couple of aspects of this that i think are important. as politico noted, trump 2 point out, in his first term he made policy changes, often with

bureaucracy getting in the way of his aims. with his second administration he better understand how to navigate complex processes making a faster and more ambitious agenda possible according to advisors so presumably they do know where the doorknobs are but they also learned in this short time since the last administration how to turn the doorknobs. to the turning of the doorknobs, that is what you really need to do. this is about retribution. some level of pain to teach a lesson. where do you see the administration at large with all of these issues? immigration being the forefront because that is the one everybody will pay attention to upfront. there is a lot of background

noise that is equally important as the administration learns to turn the knobs of the various agencies to get what it wants out of them whether it is the justice department, our alliances overseas with nato. elon musk is on a phone call with ukraine, what is he doing on a phone call as a private citizen at that level? that is the door knob turning stuff we need to be mindful of. you are going to have a lot of fun reporting on it by the way. >> they know where the doorknobs are and he has done this for four years, one of the things when he looks back, he thinks bureaucracy was part of the problem. people were stopping him from doing things that in his mind would help the american people so when you think about the people he is bringing in, these are people, if they do not have

government experience, they have loyalty to him and they are expected to do those things without asking and do whatever they can to change the bureaucracy. immigration will get a lot of attention and it should but the changing of that status and being able to put loyal political appointees around the federal government were civil servants used to be is going to be a huge aspect of the trump administration because he is able to do that. that makes all of the things he wants to do easier. >> this is not hyperbole, trump will be able to do whatever he wants, they will implement all of the crazy and the deportation piece they have been working on since he was leaving the white house. people are like it is not going to be that bad not as bad as we think and it will be worse than we can imagine but it may not feel like it right away. >> it will be a ugly period for the country, stick around, i

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trump promised to surround himself with only the best people. this time around we will see. one person we do know will join trump in the white house is susie wiles. the first woman to ever be selected as chief of staff. she is known for being a powerhouse behind the scenes and staying out of the public eye. she is also considered a

political outsider. >> it seems to be a good combo meal for being chief of staff, you are a outsider, no connections on capitol hill and you will run the federal government. here is what trump had to say about susie on election night. let's listen. >> susie likes to stay in the back. come hear chris. susie likes to stay in the background. >> so as you saw she was not interested but as chief of staff you will. that is not a background role. you do not just sit in the oval and run things. how do you assess this pick and what does it mean for the start of this new administration. >> one think that is fascinating about the pick, she has been someone who professionalized the trump campaign. not trump, trump does what he

wants on stage but when you look at what the actual campaign did, it was more professional than it was in 2016 and 2020, it looked and felt different to a lot of people. a lot of democrats said this is more professional than it has ever been. she was also somewhat that was able to give trump some of the tough love when he brought lower on the plane and the campaign trail, they went back and forth on it. she is somebody that tries to tell him to stop the things they see as distractions. that is probably what her role will also be. when it comes to relationships on the hill, republicans will be tripping over themselves to get into the oval office and get into her office to talk about what the administration can do so she will build the relationships. she is not starting from

scratch, a lot of people know her from the campaign but it is a aspect. the number one topic you will hear about susie is loyalty. she is loyal to trump, she went to him -- >> she is a self-described moderate. >> people talk about her not being ideological. she does not have her own agenda. she went back to him after january 6, created a political operation so he feels indebted to her because of that. >> a moderate but joining trump post january 6. okay. do you know susie? >> i do not know susie. we will see how it goes. i know mark meadows, susie seems to be in the background for now. who knows what is going to happen. it is hard to predict what will happen tomorrow with trump much

less over the next four years. there are two types of people that he will bring into the circle, folks like susie in the background with no future in politics but then there are people who are politicians in congress, who think they have a future and those people may be more of the wildcards and that is why he is indexing towards people like susie who are not in front making statements and trying to promote themselves because he thinks those folks can be more easily directed and controlled and he can remain the focus of the discussion. >> just a follow-up, these are the top cabinet contenders according to sources familiar, secretary of defense, mike waltz, secretary of state, marco rubio. remember when rubio was the future of the party? senator eric schmidt, governor doug burnham for ambassador to the nations.

we also heard names floated for texas attorney general kim paxton, mark pallotta for ag, the cheney. i do not know. >> i will say this, you have nbc reporting that trump does not want to pull many sitting lawmakers. a campaign official said pulling too many sitting lawmakers will affect trump's ability to get things done. he had a slightly different take on the calculus whether or not to pull a lawmaker. >> i think the lawmakers see themselves in the oval office, probably all of them. the incentive for them is to snuggle up next to trump and be his friend but they also do not want to go around stepping on cats and there is a lot of things trump wants to do. >> thank you for that casual

reference to autocracy. >> that can really exacerbate some of the problems. drive up prices with tariffs, close off trade lanes of the world. ellis back from major area theaters and lose the trust of our allies and i do not think the politicians in congress if they see the cost starting to rise they may not be willing to tow the line for the crazy parts of his agenda. >> the political cost and actual cost that comes along with tariffs and things like that. later this morning, george conway and a professor will join the conversation. join the show on social media. our handle everywhere is the weekend msnbc.

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to turn them they also understanding the funding mechanisms, that is something i keep hearing from officials. a office that has extreme amount of power. simoni worked in the white house, you know how this works. understanding how to get the things you want unfunded is a big part of the game. >> if i seem exacerbated and stressed out this morning, it is because i know that people out there believe the white house and federal government is a big entity with all of these guardrails built in for the people and no. who the president is matters and the people he hires matters as well. the president can do whatever they want next to the supreme court and of the people he hires are willing to carry it out there is nothing anybody can do to stop them. maybe a democratic attorney general somewhere can take them to court but if they go to the

supreme court trump has the majority to bolster his agenda. we cannot discount what happened with the chevron decision in the last supreme court tenure. these people that are just like maybe it will not be as bad, no it will be bad. it will not look -- people keep talking about fascism and they think of -ism and it goes back to hitler and all the things but as richard reminded me earlier this week i saw him earlier in new york. he said there are different kinds of fascism and there was not only one type of fascism in europe. hitler's fascism ended in the great extermination but there were other types of fascism that did not go that far but just as damaging. >> one of the things we have not gotten into and we have time to do that over the next

couple of hours is the underlying pulse of the american people that gave us this moment. we are here because this is where the american people wanted us to be. they told us we have issues and they want them addressed and they felt the biden administration with harris out front did not do that. despite everything about trump that we know and they knew and know about him it did not eclipsed their feeling of being ignored and left behind. so trump tapped into that and continues to tap into that. it will play itself out and the people he puts in power around him to run the agencies. where i think the real interesting point for a lot of folks will be, as trump has indicated, he wants to go and low up obama care for example

and there is a easy way for him to do that with the republican controlled house and senate not to put any money in the line item budget for those breaks that obama care currently receives as a result of what biden's administration did. those subsidies, they are due to expire next year. when they are gone folks and the trump administration goes there is a zero on the line item and the republican senate says yes we like the zero, guess what happens, immediately 4 million people lose healthcare benefits up to 20 million people. so when people start to see and feel the effects of their decision, that will be a interesting moment i think over this conversation about who is paying attention to what you need and how much you need it. we can have that conversation as we go. >> hauch team trump convinced

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to you but they are a big deal to many young men across the country and the influencers helped trump take a surprising portion of young voters. according to exit polling men under 30 broke for trump by two percentage points. trump also drew substantial support from young women, trump picked up a larger number of voters under 30 than any republican residential candidate since 2008. joining us now is aaron smith and terrence woodberry. >> so what does the data say? what did everybody miss with this emerging cohort of not just men but young women as well moving towards this particular republican candidate at this particular time given everything we know and heard

and have seen from him and the party he has transformed into this nationalist paternalistic oriented political lifestyle, it seems to be attractive to this generation. >> when you look at young voters you have to consider they are the most diverse voting bloc in america. we are also talking about a lot of men in color and they are emerging as the new swing voters . we talk about suburban women and soccer moms but men of color are emerging as the voters that can determine the victory. i am not blaming men of color at all, they understood the assignment and trump got the most votes from white men but he also had the highest increase from men of color and that is something that has been happening long before this campaign.

because of some of the concerted efforts of the campaign, specifically being the first campaign in history to put forth a agenda specifically for black men and latino men. we saw the vice president began to close the gap. she did six points better with black men from the moment she became the nominee so there is still a lot of soul-searching the party has to do. there is a broader conversation we have to have about young men. we begin to close some of the deficits and there is still a lot of work to do after the campaign. >> philip from the washington post wrote about this phenomenon. if you look at research data and track it over the last couple of cycles, when you look at young voters, overwhelmingly younger voters and the youngest voters are generation z, 18-26 and millennial's are 27-44. when you look at the youngest voters over the course of the

last couple of cycles, there are small drop-offs in the margins where they were treated conservative and this is what philip says. the way to look at it is, instead of signing onto a battery of positions, many younger voters approach politics like a spotify list, picking out specific songs instead of a entire album. do you think that is a accurate way to talk about this? >> i see young men in particular as political free agents, they are not identifying themselves by their political party. 38% of young men do not identify with any political party. the democratic brand has taken a hit, they were 40% identified as democrats and now it is 30%.

on policy issues they are progressive on a range of issues. 70% support abortion rights for example. they are fairly close to young women in that regard but they are a swing group and the trump campaign had a clear strategy to take this group. research shows the trump campaign and republicans went 4- 1 in terms of spending on online advertisements targeting young men and 10-1 in swing states. the democratic party has under invested in this group for years. on the flipside the key issues were the economy, inflation and immigration. because they are a swing group it means if the trump administration does not get real results they can easily swing back. >> i want to ask you both about this, it is one of my favorite hot takes and i hope you read the sarcasm, the silver alert here was simply that democrats need their own joe rogan and despite the fact i do not think

that is it, i do think the media ecosystem is a challenge in terms of what it is young men are consuming and trusting as messengers. starting with you terrence, i wonder how you see that from a infrastructure perspective as somebody that works in progressive politics. >> we will have to change the conversation we are having with black men and where we are having at. part of what trump was appealing to he is speaking to economic anxiety, they are frustrated with their position in life, their chances economically and he is giving

them someone to blame. giving them a reason for that pain. the reason you have less is because those folks have more and i will take it from them. what democrats need to figure out in the coming cycle is, what is the story we're telling? what is the alternative to immigrants are your problem and the others in america. part of that is going to have to be, who are we blaming for their economic conditions? we have to get back to that populism. a lot of this is about billionaires seizing our elections, we just elected a billionaire and chose a vice president by a billionaire. including elon musk, rupert murdoch, jeff days those, who are all controlling the information environment and that is what we have to contend with, not what we are saying but where we are saying and how we are saying it. >> a big part of this, i am listening to a lot of the various points and the thread that stands out to me is what the republicans played effectively and that is the

broke culture, the masculinity which has nothing to do with economics. it has nothing to do with your position on abortion because at the end of the day if you are telling me they are 70% aligned with young women on this issue, they signed on to a guy that basically told women, do not worry i am the only one that can protect you whether you like it or not, that is a masculine thing to say. how does that get reconciled with this generation? they are free agents but they are free agents without a cause, without a purpose, with a view to who they are and what they want to defined themselves as. >> our research showed many young men viewed the democratic party as hostile to them. the democratic party needs to combat that. >> how are they openly hostile to them? because of their support of

transgender resume? because of their support of a certain level of feminism? >> the number one thing people look at is are you showing up and fighting for me. the republican party and their strategy was to show up and they have been doing it for years. it is not just about joe rogan or showing up at mma, it is a strategy of going on podcasts, being present in this media and dominating. >> this is good, we need to unpack this because i want to drill down and understand, you say the data and they say they feel the democratic party is hostile to me but why do they feel that way? >> there are values that democrats will have to reclaim

like masculinity. what is the non-toxic version of masculinity? we have to reclaim values like patriotism. i had a guy say that when he sees a american flag on a house he knows they are white and republican. we have to reclaim masculinity in spirituality and patriotism. he values those things more than he values his democratic party. >> can we keep talking about this after the break? the next top of the show will be mad at us. >> stick around, there is two more hours ahead here on the weekend. the next hour will be joined by eddie, leah, pennsylvania officials and jordan harris and congresswoman debbie. that is coming up on the weekend. i am so excited about this conversation.

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