good evening, and welcome to politicsnation . tonight's lead, down but not defeated. >> just a few days after donald

trump second presidential win, much of america still trying to make sense of the devastating results for democrats while preparing for what comes next for the economy. race relations, immigration, and of course meanwhile, trump is already stopping some key positions in his next white house with loyalists. and he will meet with president biden in the oval office come wednesday. as democrats in washington ponder how to fight back over these next few months and the next four years. tonight we will wait on the final word, in the 19 house races that remain uncalled to determine who controls that chamber. and for two uncalled a swing state races on the senate side. the republicans are firmly in control after this week, which is where we begin tonight. joining me now, senator sheldon

whitehouse, democrat of rhode island. synder, thank you for your time tonight, and congratulations on winning re-election this week. the vice president, however, underperformed you by a handful of points in rhode island, which she won tuesday night. but every county in the state shifted republican compared to 2020. looking at that and how democrats fared nationally, what do you think happened this week? >> i think we had less of a fighting stance then donald trump did. it looked like he was willing to take on anybody and anything , go as crazy as he wanted, and we were sort of the calm and orderly party. and i think when people are as upset as they are with 75% wrong direction numbers, you've got a show that you are really ready to have a

fight. in rhode island, everybody knows that about me, my fight against dark money, my fight against the climate operation, my fight against capturing the supreme court. i kind of had that laid down. but i don't think we have that laid down nationally. >> so, saying with control of the senate, democrats are on track to win most of the swing states senate races. congress woman elissa slotkin defeated former republican congressman mike rogers in michigan. senator tammy baldwin was re- elected over republican challenger eric holliday in wisconsin. even as the states 10 electoral votes went to trump. and we are still waiting for the results out of two states where trump has won. arizona, where democratic senate candidate ruben diego is leading his gop opponent. in senator bob casey is trailing as of this afternoon. but even with the two big

confirmed losses for senate democrat, jon tester in montana and sharad brown in ohio, both of them perform better in their states than vice president harris. i will also mention north carolina, where trump prevailed, while democrat attorney general josh stein won the governor's race. what do you make of these ticket splitting results? >> again, i think there was a lot of local knowledge about home state senators, home state representatives who had a brand already, and who were known to their voters. i think at the national level it is hard to make that same brand, and it is particularly hard to make a brand if you are not engaged in conflict, if you have not defined a villain, if you are not in the kind of contests that creates moral clarity and news attention.

>> now, i agree with you. i don't think anyone doubts i believe in fighting and fighting aggressively, as you do. but do you think massaging the fact that she was a woman and race had anything to do with this? >> i couldn't tell. i couldn't tell. i think the key thing for us now as democrats is to get ready for an absolute tsunami of corruption coming out of this new administration. we know that trump is corrupt. it is his nature, it is his character. we know the republican party is corrupt about climate change. they were bought by the fossil fuel industry a decade ago. we know that they have corrupted the united states supreme court, and we know that when you let the billionaires in your power, they plunder the place with tax cuts for themselves and licenses to pollute. so we know it's coming, and i

think right now the important thing is to look forward, be ready for that, point it out, and not let them get away with it. >> not let them get away with it. there you have it. he had elon musk on the phone with he and zelenskyy, that ought to tell you something. we learned today that president biden will host trump at the white house on wednesday. what do you expect that conversation to entail? >> i think it will be high decorum, no substance, but i think president biden wants to send a signal to the country that there actually is an orderly way to go about doing things, and the violence of january 6th and the mad threats, the lies, all the stuff that donald trump has been spewing, he wants to create his biden alternative. and after four good years as president, i think he is entitled to do that, if that is the signal he wants to send on the way out, god bless him. >> now, you are the chair of the senate budget committee. and a number of economists have warned that trump's fiscal proposals could spark an economic catastrophe. on that

note, trump has discussed his intention to put tech billionaire elon musk in charge of cutting $2 trillion from the federal budget in the name of efficiency. we will remind our viewers that trump's win appears to have already added roughly $15 billion to musk's network. what does it mean for the nation, the democrats have lost the senate with donald trump returning to the white house. >> well, if elon musk wants to make those kind of cuts to federal spending he needs to go back and read about a guy named david stockman, who tried to do that as reagan's budget director . what he tried was so unpopular, even with republicans, but it blew up in his face and he was famously taken to the woodshed by ronald reagan, or at least pretended that he had been. so i think most of that is

foolishness. i think that the budget problem we are going to face is that climate change is starting to disrupt insurance markets in really significant ways. florida is the epicenter of that problem. and if you can't get home insurance, you can't get a mortgage. if you can't get a mortgage, it is hard to find a buyer for your house. and the end of the insurance to mortgaged property value cascade is what the chief economist for freddie mac, the mortgage company, not a green group, described as a coastal property values crash. and we are seeing its twin in wildfire country, as well. i think back to the looming economic danger, of course, trump pretends that this is all a hoax and pays no attention to the reality of it. so we are headed for the cliff. >> and he called the covid-19 a hoax until he couldn't. i am out of time, but i must ask you about the supreme court, since you are on the

senate judiciary committee. and advancing trump my in return, a call has returned among democrats to push through as many judicial nominees as possible. that includes the supreme court, where some have suggested that justice sotomayor should retire so senate democrats can rush through a younger replacement, which, of course, republicans have vowed to fiercely resist. have you heard support for this idea from your senate colleagues? >> i have not. i think at the end of the day, when you are on the supreme court you make your decision when you are ready to retire, and however much noise pundits might make about justice sotomayor , this is her decision to make. and i trust her judgment as to her health, her longevity, her future, and what is best for the country. >> thank you for being with us. rhode island u.s. senator sheldon whitehouse. from the senate to the house of representatives, joining me now is congressman glenn ivey,

democrat of maryland. congressman, to start, what has been your reaction to the results of this election? >> deep disappointment. shock at some level. you know, we spent the last few days talking to friends, colleagues, advisers, trying to sift through it and figure out what went wrong. but it caught me by surprise, i must say. >> across the country on election day, harris lost two points among black voters nationally. a lot less than what was predicted. in comparison to president biden. nbc news exit polls show that trump gained black voter support in battleground states in north carolina and wisconsin, but where he more than doubled his support. however, an overwhelming 85% of the black vote still supported harris nationally. nine out of 10 black women even to the prediction about lachman

with not nearly what they predicted. what role is the congressional caucus going to play in making sure that their voices are heard in the black communities? and that the caucus voices are heard? >> well, i think in the lead up to the election, for example, we went campaigning across states. i went to north carolina with a group of nine other congressional black caucus members, and we had some of the key cities, charlotte, and went all the way over to my hometown, rocky mount. but how i think it was important for us to make sure we did that leading up to the campaign, one of the messages we got back it when we visited one of the barbershops, they were very glad to see us. one of the things they encouraged us to do is to keep coming back. so the take away from that standpoint is that we need not just a way for the campaign season, but stay engaged, and

keep going to do these kinds of trips, essentially campaign trips, but i think the bottom line is more communication to get the information outdoor community. because you know, the biden harris administration had a very strong story to tell to the african-american community. i mean, record numbers front appointment, for example. the biden harris administration pushed out a lot of dollars for infrastructure, expanding internet access and the like. a lot of positives. and i think we have to do more to make sure that that gets heard. the other piece i've got to say, too, the latino community, which had bigger swings. i think we need to make sure we are reaching out of them more, as well, to make sure they are getting the message, too. >> trump and his allies campaigned on a plan to detain and deport migrants on a mass scale. many are trying to calm the fears about who exactly will be forced out of the country and when. what role can congress play, even if the majority of the gop has the majority, in protecting

them, and what role can you play in terms of dealing with the practicality of it? what kind of money is going to come up or be needed to move 23 million people out, and are there agreements in these countries that they are supposed to come from? first, you have to find out where they came from, and they have to have an agreement that those countries will let you have planes land to bring them back. i mean, the practicality of this is something that i think people are missing. >> i think that's right, i mean, this could end up looking a lot like at the beginning of the first trump administration when he said he was going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it, and neither of those happen. this could be similar to that. i think the logistics of rounding up that many people and reporting them is incredibly high. it would be very difficult to do, as you pointed out, sending

them back to other countries is not automatic. they would have to take them back. and in some instances i'm not sure we would know where to send them back to. and, to be honest, there is still the asylum issue. sending some of these people back would put their lives in danger, potentially, and we have laws in place to prevent that. so they got a lot to do to try and live up to what trump said he was going to try to do. i don't think it is going to be viable, and i think we should resist it, to make sure the people don't get railroaded. people have legal rights here, who are seeking asylum. they have a right to get those hearings. and we should wish to make sure that that happens and the law is followed. >> assuming he is really going to try to do it. but the justice department, i have to go to this. i mentioned the justice department and the fbi are investigating how a slew of mass racist text messages were sent to black people in the wake of this week's presidential election. the anonymous texts invoking slavery were reported, several

states including maryland, new york, alabama, california, ohio, pennsylvania, and tennessee. it seems that election results could be emboldening racial, racist forces. how worried are you about this, and how does the nation counter this? >> well, it's very concerning. and we knew that there was going to be a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and flat out false information coming out, some with the intent to intimidate, some with the intent to trick people for not voting at the right time. i thought the biden administration did a very good job of countering a lot of that. the department of homeland security i thought had a good, strong effort in place to do that. but some of it slipped through, and we have to make sure that we get the message out that we are going to pursue that and prosecute it where necessary and appropriate, and also have to build up the forces to defend against it.

a lot of those forces were undermined over the last four years due to the election to nihilism that is still pushed by trump. kerry lake is another of those election deniers who refused to acknowledge that they were actually beaten in 2020. hopefully that will turn around, but you got to make sure we work and force that happened, using the law if necessary, and prosecution if necessary. >> i know i'm out of time, but i have to talk to you and ask you about the win of angela alsobrooks for u.s. senate in your home state of maryland, and a second black female senator, lisa blunt rochester in delaware. first time in history two black women are in the u.s. senate. >> yeah, definitely a major silver lining from tuesday, and i have to have had the chance to work with both of them. they are outstanding public servants, they are going to be phenomenal in the senate. i wish they were coming in at a

time where the senate was in the majority, but we've got tough times ahead. we need all hands on deck. and they're going to do a lot to the table as far as helping us push back on the overreach of the trump administration. >> all right, thank you, marilyn congressman glenn ivey. as we go to break, vice president kamala harris and her party message for the nation. >> while i concede this election, i do not concede the fight that fueled this campaign. the fight, the fight for freedom. for opportunity. for fairness. and the dignity of all people. >> the future in the fight for our rights. up next in this week's rise up. target the source of pain with nonsteroidal

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now that the 2024 presidential election is over, i want to remind everyone that the fight is not over. it is okay to be disappointed in the results. but we need to remember vice president kamala harris ran a strong campaign and in a short amount of time. we have not seen as many candidates as qualified in the modern era as her. her policies would have charted a way forward for many of us, but she faced tough odds. and while we are heartbroken by the end of her campaign, we are just getting started on her message that we are not going back. because we already know what some of resident elect donald trump's agenda aims to do, which is why we must channel our momentum against his destructive policies. he and jd vance want to turn back the clock. i am not willing to let trump vance administration wash away

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welcome back to politicsnation . for more on this week's historic, or for more on this historic week, i should say, i want to bring in

my political panel. former republican congressman from florida david jolly, and former democratic congresswoman from maryland, donna edwards. both are msnbc contributors. donna, let's start with you. we've heard a lot of soul- searching in the past few days about what democrats must do long-term to win black voters nationally in the wake of this election. but in the very near term, democrats who did win their races must represent their constituents, and in just 24 months the party has an opportunity to bounce back in the midterms, as parties out of power typically do. how do they accomplish this? >> well, for one thing, i think it is really easy to jump to immediate judgment about what happened with certain voters. and i think democrats would make a really big mistake by not really trying to understand the electorate, all the slices of the electorate, what was

motivating voters. i think we've already seen, not even a week out, the judgment calls that have been made about who did what to whom, who ran what kind of campaign, who wasn't listening to somebody else. and i think it is really early for that, and i would urge democrats to take a step back, really analyze the electorate, and look at all of their party operations and apparatus to figure out how it is that they can recover in the next 24 months and then go out and continue to make the case against donald trump and his administration. >> and, i might add, there was always those in the campaign that were pushing in certain ways. when you look at everyone to cedric richmond, you name it, there were many that were pushing more for these communities to be engaged. david, you broke with the republican party over trump and his policies.

the harris campaign embraced other republicans who made similar decisions, campaigning with former wyoming congresswoman liz cheney in the final days of the campaign. where does that energy go now? >> yeah, that's a great question. i think democrats would be wise to keep it within their tent. it does not cost them anything with voters, that they actually apparently lost this election. it appears really the attrition of 11 million voters from 2020 with joe biden, largely around economic issues. that crossed all race and gender verticals, and is also consistent with what we have seen across the western world in a post-pandemic economy where incumbents have been tossed out of office. people want change. and i think it's important to realize losing is never fun, but losing does not mean you are wrong on the issues. democrats are right on the issues. republicans are wrong on the issues. this election was essentially 50-48 in a very challenging worldwide economic medical environment.

so what i would hate to see, because this is really the first time, joe biden with the soul of america coalition began to softly bring in some of these soft republicans, and vice president harris said not only do i want you in, i want to give you a seat at the table. she did not abandon the left of center progressive roots of the democratic party. she did not abandon a single democratic priority simply to say be a part of this coalition that will protect democracy. that coalition will be as important as ever, in 2-4 years. i agree with donna, i think the worst thing democrats could do in this environment is over correct. remain right on the issues. this was a very tight race, you will have another opportunity in two years. >> donna, kamala harris did not become the first black female president, but for the first time, two black women will serve in the united states senate at the same time. your state senator elect angela alsobrooks, and lisa blunt rochester in delaware.

they are representative of millions of black women in america who remain steadfast in their support of the democratic party. how should they use their power? >> well, look, first of all i think that black women are getting a little bit tired of trying to save democracy in the absence of other people joining. but i think it's really important for senator elect also brooks and blunt rochester to work together to elevate issues within the party that not only represent the interests of people in this state, but folks around the country. i think their voices are going to be really important in the future of the democratic party. i think it's really tough to operate, even in the senate, in the minority. so they will have to find their voices in the minority, challenging some of the institutional politics that are going to come out of the trump presidency. >> david, your home state of florida is very much the center of republican politics right now.

trump has tapped susan wiles, a veteran of florida politics, to be his chief of staff after running a successful campaign, and newly re-elected senator rick scott is angling to be the next senate leader, according maga mcconnell loyalists. what does all of this tell you about what a second trump administration might look like? >> yeah, i think if you are concerned about the first trump administration, this was going to be worse. and if you supported it, this is going to be something you are really excited about. look, no one is going to tame donald trump. susie wiles is a professional hand. she is one of the best in the business. she might tame him in some areas, but ultimately no one is going to tame donald trump. i do think what it means, if you look like a state like florida, that two cycles back, three cycles back was competitive, it's hard to make

a case for why it is competitive now in 26 or 28. it was a 13 point spread for donald trump coming off a 19 point spread for ron desantis. the senate race was about a 16 point spread. florida democrats did everything right. they were running candidates in every race. they really did not have the backing of the national party, but we saw this also in states like texas where even with the backing of the national party, republicans just had a very strong year. i'm afraid that the answer to all of this is to wait for the crisis that donald trump creates and then democrats can remind voters we have been here all along. we've been here on your behalf, with the right values. it was a shot back at the administration. >> one question to both of you. trump made a lot of promises in his campaign. what is going to happen when he fails to follow through with any of them or with many of them? donna, you first. i pointed out to senator whitehouse, there is no practical way he can do this immediate mass deportation when one, the cost of it, finding 23 million people, identifying

what countries would take them back. things like this just can't feasibly happen. what happens when all of this fails to happen, or do his followers just shrugged their shoulders like they did about the wall that he never built? >> well, i have to tell you, i am very concerned. on election night when trump spoke, he uses his opening mantra, promises made, promises kept. so i take him at his word that he may not be able to do the mass deportation that he promised, but he is going to make a lot of headway in his executive authority, and control of the executive branch to bring some real edge to those issues. so i think that trump learned a lot about what was holding him back in his first run at the white house.

but those lessons actually are going to result, i think, in him doing things completely differently. the people who will be in charge and the policies he will pursue. and will his voters voted against him? i'm not really sure that they will. but he is going to be doing something that will make them visibly see that he is going to keep his promises made promises kept mantra. >> and he could be doing it abusively. david, what do you say? >> if trump voters cared about broken promises he would not have been elected on tuesday. if trump voters cared about attacking democracy he would not of been elected. if trump voters cared about unwinding basic freedoms in the country he would not of been re- elected. i don't think his voters care that much about policy. i think he launched a cultural movement, and he has brought together this coalition based off of people wanting to protect the way of life in america that they see. largely a white nationalist throwback culture. i think where they might get unsettled, because donald trump

really messes up the economy pretty bad. high tariffs, low interest rates. or if he undoes obamacare and they start to lose their healthcare. if the economy three years from now going into the election is a total wreck because of donald trump, he has burned too hot, then his voters will say wait a minute, you didn't do what you said you were going to do. i think it's time for change. otherwise the promises made promises kept thing, they're going to believe it until they suffer themselves. >> thank you to msnbc political analyst david jolly and donna edwards. coming up, how a second trump presidency will affect the most vulnerable among us, and how faith organizations will step in to help where they can. ♪♪ over 600,000 usps employees working in sync to ensure everything sent on its holiday ride

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welcome back to politics nation. donald trump has proposed aggressive cuts to federal social welfare programs, putting charities and nonprofits on the defensive ahead of his return to the

white house. also troubling to that community are the potential impacts of mass deportations that trump has campaigned on and could act on in some way as soon as day one. joining me now is jennifer jones austin, ceo of the federation of protestant welfare agencies, and vice chairman of the national board of national action network. jennifer, thanks for being with us, and let me start with this. in the past budgets as president, donald trump proposed deep cuts in social welfare programs like nutritional assistance, medicaid, and affordable care act. now that he is poised to return to the white house with a gop majority in the senate, at least, those cuts could be on the table. what would it look like, what would that look like for people in need of those services that

you and other nonprofits deal with every day? >> it would be devastating, reverend sharpton. here is the challenge we have. for low income americans and increasingly some middle income americans, these tax programs and retirement programs, and discretionary programs that provide a look into the public and state and local grants, pell grants, critical education supports, they all are paid for by the federal government. if donald trump gets his way, if he cuts income taxes further for higher income americans, if he cuts corporate taxes, we are going to lose critical revenue that feeds all of these programs. now, the challenge he has is that there are many entitlement programs, social security, medicare that are significant in terms of the cost. they can't be automatically cut, but congress can go in and make changes. risk and make changes to critical entitlement programs,

to reduce eligibility for them, which means americans who are already having a hard time making ends meet will have a greater hard time. and for the many things he wants to do, if you want to do mass deportation, he's going to need money. if he is cutting revenue by cutting taxes, he has less money to play with. >> let me stop you there, because i'm going to go into his mass deportation, but you are saying that they can, in effect, change social security, change other entitlements to some degree in terms of eligibility, while at the same time he does what he did with the first time he was president. cut the revenue by giving tax breaks to the wealthy, which means the revenue is not there in the nation's debt increases. >> that's exactly right. so the only way that he can pay for these things is again, by making changes to the eligibility criteria and the discretionary funding, which is a little less than one third of

federal spending for things like pell grants, which support low income students going to college, k-12 grants, for schools where children have not had quality education and need critical supports. food programs in schools and the like. they can go in and cut those programs. >> now, let's go back to what we started on the promised largest deportation ever in american history under a second term, as many as 1 million people a year. immigrant advocates warn that such an effort would devastate families, leading to more family separations, and economically crippling communities. how does the charitable community, your ceo of a major charity in new york. how do you even begin preparing for the consequences described? >> it's going to be very, very

difficult. reverend sharpton, nonprofit agencies across the country are struggling already to meet the demand for services, for immigrants and for citizens of the country. they are already meeting the challenge, trying their best. they are looking to close the gap. but here's what's going to happen. we are going to see more more people going without the basic services and supports they need. we are going to see migrant and immigrant families, people who are here and have been here for some time who had legal status who are going to be challenged. because you can stretch the dollar, but so far. so we are going to have to do is increase our advocacy efforts. we are going to have to show congress, which has been going along, and if he has a republican controlled congress they are going to try to go along. and achieve these mass deportations of as many as 13, 20, 23 million people. we are going to have to push back, by telling them that if they do that they are going to hurt not just migrants, they are not just going to hurt

immigrants. they are going to hurt everyday americans and people are going to be angry. so they'd better think two and three times about doing that. >> and we don't know how sound it is, anyway, whether the nations will let them come back. how you transport. all that is going to cost trillions of dollars if you are talking about 23 million. it is probably more of the showboat thing he would do for some of the expense of many people, including people that have become citizens. it sounds like we have a dual challenge and dual challenges going forward. helping the harmed on the one hand, while fighting back on other. how much of these energies should be channeled into assistance versus activism, in your opinion, and what role can private and faith- based groups, how can they play in this? >> so, we are going to need faith-based communities and philanthropy to step up and help us with the cost of helping people make ends meet.

but we need to be centering a lot on the advocacy and the structural changes. with a likely republican controlled congress, it is a long road ahead for democrats to try to secure the seats they need to have a majority. we are going to have to focus on advocacy, in a significant way. because these congressional leaders are going to have to know they cannot just go along to get along with donald trump the way they have been. their constituencies are going to be up in arms. remember, we are not just talking about cuts that are going to impact migrants. we are talking about cuts that are for people who have been here legally. likely cuts in healthcare that will affect 20 million americans who have been receiving supports under the affordable care act. we see cuts that likely would come in education. like i said, for critical education supports like food support in the classroom. so, we are going to, as a faith community, as well as an advocacy community, we have to keep pushing hard to ensure that these structural changes

do not occur. >> now, to those demoralized by a moment that feels like we have taken many steps backwards, how do we keep working for justice? how do we inspire people against these odds, to keep going? you lead a nonprofit, you are the vice chair, your father was one of the great civil rights leaders. how do we inspire people now to not give up? i keep saying we have lost the round, but the fighting is not over. >> we lost around. we lost the battle, if you will. but we have not lost the war. and we have lost battles before, but we've also won battles. the civil rights act of 1964. the voting rights act of 1965. the housing act. in new york city, as you know, i was able to chair a commission that passed the first racial justice and equity division in the nation. that changed the new york city constitution to make racial

justice and equity the law of the land in new york city. so we are going to have to look to the battles that we won to draw inspiration, and keep pressing forward. and remind everybody that all is at stake, and nobody is going to be unaffected by these changes. because remember, if we've got to cut discretionary funding to pay for him to do a mass deportation, that affects things like public highways, roads, it affects, again, the education the children receive in their schools. public health supports. >> and jobs. >> it affects everybody. >> and garbage. >> jennifer jones austin, thank you for being with us tonight and giving us that information. up next, from darkness to light. my final thoughts. stay with us. so even after every flush... you know your bathroom smells amazing.

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no matter what happens, we must continue to stand and shed light in dark places. this is not a time to grow weary in well doing. this is a time to stand up and fight back. have we gotten amnesia? do we not remember the way we got voting rights and civil rights and women's rights and lgbtq rights in the first place? it is because we stood up and we fought back with all that we had. not in a way like was demonstrated on january 6th, but in a peaceful but firm way.

no one woke up one morning and said let's be nice to all americans, let's wring justice and fairness. it was fought for to get it, and we must fight to keep it. we cannot turn around now, just like our parents and their parents fought to give us a better life, we owe it to our children to give them a better life. and one election should not make us turn around and abandon how we got here in the first place. that is why on january 20th, martin luther king holiday, a holiday we fought for. some of us will be in washington. not in a destructive way. yes, they will be inaugurating trump on one side of town. we will be somewhere saying you will not turn us back. you will not kill the dream of dr. king on king day. and we are committed to continue that fight. we will be right back.

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