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on this new hour of ayman, the master of new media. how the president-elect used podcasts to reach millions and win the white house. one is not like the other. elon musk appears in the new trump family photo after election night. plus, the worst and best of the week. how democracy prevailed after what was a dark election for many of us. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's do it .

>> donald trump's victory speech as family and campaign staff to the streets and celebrated. we heard some unusual thank you is that you don't normally hear from any political campaign. for example, here is usc ceo and trump supporter dana white. >> i want to thank some people real quick. i want to thank aiden ross, theo vaughn, buzzing with the boys, and last but not least, the mighty and powerful joe rogan. >> if you are not familiar with any of those names, white was shouting out just some of the massive podcasters and live streamers who embraced and platform donald trump during his campaign. it was not the first time trump used new media to his advantage. the new york times reported this week that donald trump is been doing this all of his adult life, from building his persona in the new york tabloids in the 80s, to the reality tv craze that helped spawn the apprentice and create the false impression that he was actually a successful businessman.

to being an early adopter of twitter, now called x. donald trump has always been a master at media and manipulation. in all the election postmortems about how trump won the presidency again, we have to acknowledge that despite being the oldest man ever elected president, donald trump was ahead of the curve in an ever- changing media landscape. and instead of subjecting himself to fact checking from the likes of 60 minutes, trump was able to reach tens of millions of american voters in a fact free save space, casually mixing talk about golf, drugs, or whatever with his campaign message. you know, the weave. it paid off big time, not only because of the sheer amount of voters he was able to reach, but the type of voters he reached. younger voters, and particularly younger men. the so-called borough vote. according to nbc news exit polling, trump picked up a larger proportion of voters under 30 than any republican presidential candidate since 2008. with men under 30, trump pete harris by two points after

losing to joe biden with this very same group by 11 points back in 2020. the trump strategist credited with this idea, 18-year-old baron trump. two sources familiar with the strategy told nbc news that trump's youngest son was behind the campaign pivot towards influential male podcasters. a senior trump adviser told politico's deep dive podcast, every single recommendation he has had has turned out to be absolute ratings gold that has broken the internet. joining me now to weigh on all of this, paola ramos, nbc contributor and author of defectors, the rise of the latino far right and what it means for america. hayes brown, writer and director at msnbc daily and host of serious xm's show. i will start with you, paola, because there is this myth that the vice president did not do enough podcasts, and that is not true. i mean, she did several podcasts. she did her own alternative media outlets.

she was on call her daddy, shannon sharpe's podcast. there are things out there she did. she may not have done the borough vote, but she definitely went out with the shows ended her own. do you think there is merit to the idea that trump in embrace of this type of cultural media phenomenon was different than the vice president did? >> i think so, because i think he was doing that all the time, constantly. think about his last state before the election. he was in pennsylvania and he looked at his crowd and he said all right, all right, i'm going to go off teleprompter because i want to speak truth. i think that kind of tells you what the strategy has been, for over a year he has been speaking his version of truth in this other ecosystem, for months and months. and i think that, in that world, is where this sort of maga crowd has also been speaking their version of truth that is never captured in the polls, the numbers, the stats, and in cable tv. a version of truth where they get to say whatever they feel, whatever they want.

they get to expose their grievances, the sexism, the misogyny to the point that perhaps, and i was thinking about this, the msg puerto rico comment, maybe in our ecosystem we were all horrified by that. because here we fact check. we sort of point the audience towards moral clarity. but in that ecosystem it was so normalized. they have been seeing that language for so long that it did not end up being this huge blow for the trump campaign. >> she brings up a really interesting point about this comedian, tony hinchcliffe, when he made those comments and other comments about puerto rico being an island of garbage in the middle of the ocean. i think everyone watching that was shocked. but to paola's point, he is a comedian. he kind of has this shock jock factor, so they kind of brushed it off saying that's not a thing, people who know him know that that is comedy. what does that tell you just about the information streams in this country, and the polarization that exists? >> we live in moral silos.

we don't even live on the same planet. we share the soil of people that get their news and their information, their data and their comedy from different worlds. and every now and then they intersect and we are stunned, like what is going on? like that is kill tony, everyone knows him. friends tell me that. what? friends who know him from the comedy club world, and in new york, that is what he does. they got that. we are like that is outrageous. but as vice president harris joined the campaign late, we all know that. i think in 2028 you are going to see democrats, they are already running for nomination, make podcasts, make wildly popular shows one of the key shows to go on. just saying, that might be a good show. it they're going to go podcast. >> did you get either presidential candidate in this election cycle? >> not u.s. president of candidates. other countries. but the other thing was, trump got two bites. he got the podcast in the mainstream press for going on that. so it was kind of very effective in that way. joe rogan, 47 million people watched trump on youtube do

that. you go on a show, except for years, most shows don't get the kind of ratings on cable news anymore. >> yeah, me and joe rogan are going head-to-head. week to week, and really varies. but speaking of joe rogan, i watch, well, i didn't watch the three hours of it. i could not watch the three hours of it. i watched a lot of it. there is not a lot of fact checking in this. and that is a style. his whole approach is i just want to get to know the person. it's hard for me to imagine that after nine years of donald trump on the scene you really get to know who donald trump is, because also, donald trump really sells himself to whoever he is speaking to. he is different things to different people at any given moment. so the idea that you are really getting to know the man is a bit of a stretch, but that's how he build it. >> except for the fact that the people listening to those podcasts were the ones who were in their teens, maybe, or younger when donald trump was first president. so they are just getting to know him. i remember, before the election, there was a tiktok trend that went around where

gen z was just realizing about the access hollywood tape . they had never seen it before, they had no idea what it was about. they are like what is going on here? so i do think there is something to be said for trump introducing himself to these audiences. and honestly, reading the new york times piece that you reference, it only just hit me that yeah, trump rallies are a stream of consciousness, in need of an editor. they are just a one-person podcast stream. so no wonder it sounds so familiar, why he is so comfortable in this space, and why so many people listening to him, whereas we listen to the rallies like what is he talking about? they are used to hearing, picking up pieces that flow over them in the course of the three hours that they are listening to joe rogan, just little bits and pieces, and clinging to what they are listening for as opposed to getting lost in the weave, like we do, trying to figure out exactly what the heck he is talking about. >> part of the postmortem analysis, i'm sure you've heard this, and probably he is really excited about amalek where's the democrat joe rogan? why don't the democrats have joe rogan? >> how hard is it defined?

i'm sitting with you! >> joking aside, is that the right question, though? people have also responded to that by pointing out at one point joe rogan actually was a fan of bernie sanders. and the fact that the democratic party did not do more outreach, did not have a constant kind of connection with him, so to speak, is probably a reason why they lost him in the end. >> i think at the very least we need to understand that world. we are talking about joe rogan, and guess who is a big part of his audience? latinos. over 30% of his audience are young latino men. so we were not really talking about that, either. and i do think the fear, though, is that to your point, we are literally living in two realities. the day of the election, every single voter noted that democracy was their top issue. and three out of four people said that they were concerned about the state of democracy. but we all had completely different versions of what that meant. because our ecosystems were so completely different in the way

that we were all talking about democracy. so we better start understanding what they are saying, because those are now becoming the trusted voices that are sort of shaping the way that people are thinking about democracy. >> what's your take on it? >> i think, i agree that we should be listening and figuring out what they are saying in these mediums, but i think that this is the new version of democrats need their own fox news. this is just chasing like okay, where are the conservatives talking, where are they conversing on all these issues, and saying we need a version of that, too. but joe rogan was popular before he had his podcast. he was on a popular tv show, he was a game show host, he had an audience before becoming the joe rogan of podcast world, of the right wing. >> are you taking a dig at the end? >> i was on comedy central special in 2008. >> i'm saying he needs a game show. >> if you are up in the middle

the night you probably saw that special. >> comics at least, 2012. i'm there. i'm not sure why you missed me, hayes. >> hold on, genuinely speaking about this kind of, i've watched a lot of these podcasts. and it is just kind of like getting together, kind of shooting the breeze about these topics. i don't want to say it's not journalistic, it has journalistic value because it gives insight into one's thinking. but it does not replace actual journalism where there is fact checking. and i feel like there is probably a specific reason why they wanted to do these, because you are not getting fact check in real time. >> absolutely. that is the conscious decision by donald trump, to go along with joe rogan. you are not getting facts. but you know what you're getting? you are getting to know donald trump is a person. if you do not know him well, you listen for three hours. in three hours, whoever that person is, they are like your friend. they have a connection that is unlike normal political person

and someone like with you or joy reed or someone else. it is a personal connection. and that is a winning strategy, to get to know the person. >> but it's a para social connection. it's not an actual real one. over the next four years it will be interesting to see what happens when all the politics of the donald trump they think they know turns out to be someone else entirely different. >> we have a lot more to discuss, you guys are with us for the whole hour. up next, the newest white house chief influencer. we will tell you about that. ut. r respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious for those over 60, including those with asthma, diabetes, copd and certain other conditions. but i'm protected. arexvy is proven to be over 82% effective in preventing lower respiratory disease from rsv and over 94% effective in those with these health conditions. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions

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the day after winning the election, trump got on the phone with ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy, and he passed the phone onto someone who is not a foreign policy adviser, not his future, i don't know, maybe secretary of state. but rather to elon musk. it is unclear if the three touched on actual u.s. policy toward ukraine, or not, but is the latest sign of the outsize role that musk has played and could play in the next trump

administration. musk, who repeatedly was working here illegally as an undocumented immigrant for some time has an innumerable list of the compliments, but there is one prize he could never win. the presidency. the constitution bars immigrants from running, no matter how successful they are or how forcefully they rail against open borders. lucky for him, donald trump has effectively handed him the next best thing, a major stake in his presidency in exchange for a $130 million worth of campaign donations. and the richest person in the world has only become richer since trump won. on wednesday, musk saw a huge surge in the share price of tesla, putting another $15 billion in his pocket. his company crossed the $1 trillion valuation for the first time in more than two years. my panel is back with me. so, what do you think of secretary of state elon musk? >> why not? >> apparently he was on the phone call not only with

zelenskyy, but with aragon, as well. >> i think it's possible. i think it's possible that hulk hogan could be secretary of state. kid rock, perhaps. look at this, when we talk about the money that elon musk invested, because it is not a donation. he invested in this, and he already got a return of $15 billion. he will get more returns, in fact, the federal government right now is everyone knows is investigating tesla for various things, from discrimination to workers being entered at the workplace. that all ins. everything in. this is the oligarchy. it has come to fruition right in front of us with the richest man in america, he owns donald trump, it is going to set policy on any issue important to him. and trouble say whatever he wants. whatever nickname he has for him, he will say whatever you want, that is what you're going to get. >> a few weeks ago the washington post reported that for some time musk worked illegally in the united states. he has backed trump's integration plans.

he has gone out of the border, he is on the spectacle, he has called for the deportation or supported trump, who has openly called for deportation. the guardian recently ran an op- ed called the truth about immigration, as elon musk shows, borders are always open for the rich. how is he perceived in the communities that you talk to, and why does he have such a huge following in general? >> well, this is what scares me, right? because he has completely manipulated the story. he was one of the first people that said that there was an invasion of the southern border, and he was one of the first people spreading. and that scares me, that was the fear of someone like him at the white house. his capacity to manipulate the story. that is one of the best weapons that authoritarian regimes have, that is the capacity to control the masses through the story. so what happens if elon musk continues to do what he has been doing in the outside, but on the inside? here goes this guy, with his massive misinformation machine

in the white house. a person that has already, i believe, manipulated the story to the point that it helps donald trump win the white house. so, what will happen if he does that in a way that is more institutionalized in the white house? that scares me. >> you have called him the perfect avatar for trump's policies. this is about elon musk, and it is a perfect disruption of him. how do you even begin to untangle him, as dean was laying out, as paula was laying out. on an official level, this is a guy whose companies have billions of dollars worth of contracts with the american government, for defense purposes, all kinds of other purposes. star link was relied on in a lot of issues overseas, foreign policy wise. he apparently had communications with vladimir putin. he is involved in the disinformation leading to the campaign. he is giving trump money. he may be assigned some kind of government efficiency thing, if you want to believe that, under trump. how do you untangle this guy from everything? >> i think, here is my prediction.

right now, at some point donald trump's ego is going to clash with elon musk's ego. these are two very powerful people, and i think one of the best bits of analysis i saw in the run-up to the election was from fiona hill, former national security staff are talking about oligarchies and autocracy in russia and comparing that to the u.s. she mentioned how elon and trump, different class, but while elon and trump have a strong reason were together right now, i can see a world where elon mixed trump upset at some point or vice versa, and you see clashes between them. and trump still has the federal government behind him. we are saying that he's going to turn off all the regulations for elon to pay him back, but trump could also try to turn us right back on. if elon makes him mad, he could rent those investigations into tesla back up again. this is the problem with the fact that donald trump is at the wheel. he is still extremely powerful, even with elon musk next to him. disentangling elon, i think that is something they're going to fight amongst themselves

about. i don't see how, in less there is a huge sweep in the midterms two years from now in congress really tries to take action in a real way, i don't see them being pulled apart at all. >> what are your thoughts on this? >> to your point of the oligarchy, i interviewed christopher steele right before the election. he was an expert on russia and the soviet union, and he was there for the mi six for great britain. and he predicted that if trump won we would go down the path of a oligarchy, where the oligarchs were on trump's side are the beneficiaries, and they get more wealth. and if anyone dares to cross him, trump makes an example of that person, saying the same way putin did, perhaps jail. under the trump versus u.s. supreme court decision, they put in writing, he has exclusive control of his doj about who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. trump can use that now to go after people. to the point, if they clash, the question is does trump care enough? he won that.

is he does play golf every day and sign things and have a cheeseburger and a diet coke and be happy about it? does he engage that much and fight with elon musk, or worse? go cut $2 trillion. go cut social security. cut medicare. >> and the problem is that elon musk is one person, and maybe because he is, in his own right, a bit of a celebrity with his companies in his profile. but i am more worried about the people behind the scenes, the names that we don't know. the people who have been working for years on behalf of trump, and who have much more, i don't want to say more sinister agendas, but certainly, perhaps, more specific agendas that we don't even know about. that they may be setting now into motion. >> right, that also scares me. i think in the first administration at least there was some form of guardrails. there was at least some for of established politicians or establish career politicians that were in that white house, attempting to sort of slowed trump down. attempting to really ensure

that his worst instincts would not be exposed. and now we are staring at the possibility of rfk junior, elon musk, and who knows? and that idea, trump without those guardrails, is pretty scary. >> i think one of the things that will be interesting to watch is how actually effective these people are. like project 2025, one of the things that is really fun about that is there are completely clashing ideas in there. between chapters, about things that are important to the conservative movement. and, given the amount of infighting we saw in the first trump administration, when priorities are going to clash, it's going to come down to trump himself to the side, and trump likes to pit people against each other. so i think that we are afraid right now with how they are going to handle the government, having done this once before towards the end of trump's first administration. they were getting the hang of it. they are still there worst enemy in terms of actually, effectively turning whatever trump says in the policy, and vice versa.

getting trump to care about whatever they care about. >> so there are two schools of thought, one that it is an authoritarian government. you are saying it is more like the clamshell coming into town. >> i think the problem is that where you look, most authoritarian governments are clown shows. when you look at history, they are quite the internal conflict. >> he wants to go after the people who prosecuted him, and he actually said trump is a good guy, but i'm not. if trump is the good guy and you are the bad guy, this is deeply scary. because trump might just say go do whatever you want. that is the concern of mine. >> don't go anywhere, we will squeeze in a quick break. when we come back, the justice department in russia to wind down trump my in criminal cases. we will talk about that and more. more. dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis.

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it was a common talking point among democrats, and even some of the republicans who voted to acquit him. the burden of holding donald

trump accountable was left to the american people. after four criminal prosecutions to impeachments and a failed insurrection. this week trump won the presidency and they get out of jail free card. in the first step towards wanting down the cases against them, the judge overseeing trump's federal election interference cancel any remaining court deadlines friday. this came after special counsel jack smith requested a pause on the process. smith and the doj are now working to close this case, and trump's classified document case by inauguration day. even if they don't manage to do this on time, no problem. trump can in the federal cases. the supreme court's presidential immunity decision, and i'll trump's win, he officially outran all four of his criminal cases. he may never face accountability for anything he has done or will do during a second term in office. my panelist back with me. hayes, a lot of people who is been pointing a finger have pointed the finger squarely at one man. that is merrick garland, the attorney general, for basically slowing this from day one.

let me read for you what pundits and politicos set about merrick garland, citing delays in his prosecution. he writes garlands defender, prosecutors would start with the riders and eventually end up with trump. this never made any sense. it did not reflect some unwritten playbook for criminal investigations. this is in specific relation to january 6th and the insurrection that donald trump inspired. what do you make of that argument? >> i mean, it's a pretty compelling argument. the fact they were trying to sell the idea of all these low- level people first and work our way up, the way that never materialized, even throughout the january 6 house hearings, like the reporting at the time was that congress is here, what really shook the justice department. they said oh, wait, we should probably do something about this. if merrick garland had decided

to start the process earlier and we got the same amount of delay tactics from trump's lawyers, that was always going to be there issue. they ran out the clock this time. i think it is hard to say for certain that even with an extra year or two they would not have managed to keep pushing this back further and further. with the immunity case, they have had so many loopholes, i, so many steps that could have been done afterwards to get back to the supreme court again and again and again. jack smith's initial hearings that they cancel now on figuring out what was immune activity and what wasn't, that would've worked its way back up, through the appeal process and up to the supreme court again and started the process over again. that is my big question, like how much with their delays have run out the clock still? >> this is the only reason we invited you on this show, because you are a lawyer, i believe, right? >> i am a lawyer. i will bill you by the hour. go ahead. >> from a legal perspective, from day one, with the democrats and merrick garland too lenient in pursuing all of the various legal cases that

were presented against donald trump? >> let it me put it this way. merrick garland is the greatest failure of an attorney general in the modern era, and, no joking, very serious, he was sworn in in march of 2021. the first thing he should've done is appoint a special counsel investigating donald trump for his involvement in january 6. that would've changed the tone. republicans did not yet coalesce around donald trump. trump was at sea pack two weeks before donald trump sworn in, talking about maybe running. that was the headline. that could've ended, because every republican would've known he is going to get charged soon. and they would've known the supreme court was going to delay things. he's going to be a convicted felon and maybe in jail, and it would embolden other republicans, maybe, just maybe they push him away. but what merrick garland did, he did not appoint a special counsel investigation for almost two years, jack smith.

and what did that do? it normalized trump for two years. we are out there saying trump attempted a coup, trump incited a terrorist attack. and every one else is going well, why isn't he charged it? it is two years later, if it is that serious. garland until he was undermined all of our arguments, and democratic members of congress wanted to look forward. we were in covid, they wanted to focus on that. i kept begging them, call for prosecuting donald trump for attending a coup. it is not partisan, it is patriotism. the man attempted a coup. it is unreal the guy can attempt a coup and a terrorist attack and be back in the white house. it destroys everything we are told the country mustang four, the rule of law, if you can do that, how can you be on the ballot is the question. here we are. >> perhaps it is even worse is in potentially pardoning january 6th insurrectionist. when you have a defender, a january 6th writer who demanded, excuse me, a full pardon after trump. it is something trump is that he is open to doing.

what does that do to our society when you have a president who comes in and just absolutely pardons people that the entire country saw storming the capital with an attempt to overthrow our government or to stop the electoral process. >> i mean, it normalizes violence in the most aggressive way. i can't help but think about, i spent so much time with him, like four years ago. now i can't help but think about the fact of what is going to happen when i have to face him again. and the revenge that so many of them are going to feel, and how will that manifest into violence? i think trumpism love to defy logic and get everyone to believe that these people now deserve mercy. and i think our job is to really ground people back in the feeling that we all felt for a second collectively, which was that moral clarity that everything a person felt when we saw that mob storming the capital. i think to your point, can we go back to that feeling? you are saying no, can, is

there collective, does that exist among us? i think about it all the time. >> real quick thing, one of the worst things about pardoning these people is to incentivize others to commit crimes on behalf of donald trump in the future. he is saying i've got your back. you can literally storm the capital and beat a police officer almost to death in my name, to keep me in power. even though i lost the election. and i will pardon you. and everyone else hears that. now people come after anyone who criticizes trump thinking he has got their back. >> what you make of, when you discover take that back, as a person who is been granted immunity by the supreme court and has a popular mandate to govern, he is a person who has demonstrated he is willing to pardon criminals and criminals in his inner circle. he is a person who, as we have now reported, seems to have been making a revenge list of people he wants to go after. it is a recipe for a very dangerous second term. how concerned are you? >> pretty concerned. i think that combining two of those things, the ability to

pardon, which is unchecked power already under the constitution, with the immunity decision. one of the things the immunity decision says by proxy is that you can't bring up official acts as evidence. you can't bring up pardons as official evidence of wrongdoing by the president in a criminal sense. so if he is offering pardons as bribes. >> exactly. and the only check within the congress, because bribery is specifically listed as one of the high crimes and misdemeanors in the constitution for impeachment. but if you have a republican congress, what does that matter at this point? if congress is not willing to use the tools before us, then trump is going to do whatever he wants to do at this point. without fear of criminal prosecution afterwards. and the delineation between official acts and unofficial acts, now that trump is going to be president again, the number of things he's going to be able to argue artificial exponentially grows compared to the list of things that we were looking at before, which was in that narrow window, honestly, between just before the election and during that time for he was out of office.

when he was a candidate, when he was campaigning for president. those were the unofficial acts that we were looking at as a criminal. he is going to have so much more leeway now. >> a dangerous time, as we have been saying throughout the course of this evening. dino, thank you so much, my friend. send us the bill for your legal advice. i'm sure we will get the check to you as soon as possible. paola, stick around, we have a lot more to discuss with you. worst of the week coming up next. next. las vegas grand prix chose t-mobile to fuel advanced coverage for over 300,000 race fans and event staff. t-mobile powers tractor supply's stores nationwide with 5g business internet. and t-mobile's network helps aaa get their members back on the road. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business.

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(♪♪) (♪♪) voltaren... for long lasting arthritis pain relief. (♪♪) tonight, something a little different for our worst of the week. that reflects both the worst and best of the week and this country. going into tuesday's election, trump continued baselessly spreading rumors of voter fraud in swing states like pennsylvania. in fact, even on election day, trump was still lying about massive cheating there. guess what? hours later trump and republicans immediately pulled a 180 from preemptively denying the election results to wholeheartedly embracing then after they won.

yes, they are disingenuous. yes, their commitment to the truth is conditional. but american democracy stood firm this week, thanks to democrats who did not deny the results just because they did not like the outcome. they did not push insane conspiracy theories about hugo chavez, venezuela, or dominion voting machines. no, they respect democracy by swiftly accepting trump's win and committing to a peaceful transfer of power. >> a fundamental principle of american democracy is that when we lose an election we accept the results. and anyone who seeks the public trust must honor it. >> yesterday i spoke with president-elect trump. i congratulated him on his victory. and i assured him that i would direct my entire administration to work with his team to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition. a country chooses one or the other. we accept the choice the

country made. i've said many times, you can't love your country only when you win. >> hopefully this idea of lying about rigged presidential elections in this country died with donald trump's win. we can only hope. paola and hayes are back with me. a little bit different, we have this very stark contrast of how democrats handled the feet and the loss compared to how donald trump handled it four years ago. what do you make of, i guess, this master class, if you will, from democrats on how a democracy and certainly how our democracy should function when results are announced and we know that we have a new winner. >> the first person i am thinking about right now is carey lake, because carey lake will lose and is losing, i don't believe it has been called, but she will lose her race. but donald trump will win her

state. so what will she do? >> he will throw her under the bus, i will tell you that, for sure. >> yeah, yes, i think democracy won as the democrats reinforce the idea that unfortunately has had to be reminded to a public that no longer believed in democratic institutions. it reinforced that yes, democracy prevailed, and unfortunately, through this picture of democracy, an ugly part of america has been exposed. that is also part of the exercise. these democratic institutions, and the democratic process shows you a very clear picture of who the voters are. and here we are. >> what you make of it? >> i think it is fascinating the republicans did do such a quick 180 on their claims. i wrote a piece this week that i was braced for one worst-case scenario, where we were going to have a very close election and we were going to slug it out and trump is going to do everything possible to try to steal the election again.

but no, he didn't have to. he did not have to do any of the things i was worried about. the thing i would think is going to stick with me, your thing about how hopefully this is the end of things, no. i think the narrative we are going to see is basically the old story about oh, this is an anti-tiger rock. what do you mean? do you see any tigers around here? they are going to say that there election integrity investments work. they're going to say well, the democrats would have cheated again if we let them, but we were strong and we were capable. we have to stay vigilant. next time, too, to make sure that they don't cheat again. like they did in 2020. you are already seeing the way that some of the conspiracy theorists out there are saying oh, the fact that she lost this time by so many votes, when votes are not done being counted yet, shows that they cheated in 2020. so the lies are not going to stop, they're going to transform and transfigure. but as long as the only subtle outcome is republicans win, that is going to be whatever the narrative needs to be. >> speaking of that, an outlier for republicans is of course

elon musk, who posted after trump my in victory quote, the few states that did not go red are mostly ones without voter i.d. requirements. must be a coincidence. i guess he did not get the memo that they stop talking about voter fraud now that they've won. they want to move on. >> right, now they are finally like oh, right. immigrants can't vote. yeah, let's see what happens. but to me, with this election has really crystallized just how fundamentally different we have changed in the last four years, because of the way these lies have been so deeply embedded within us. when, on tuesday, people were voting, they were voting with these lies in their mind. and as a democracy, yes, we won. but we are so fractured in that sense, because of these lies. >> let me ask you really quick about something you brought up which is important. they have obviously accepted the results of this election. they're going to keep the groundwork, always, they will

have that card always. the next cycle if they lose they can always go back to it. how likely are they going to use the trifecta control of government that they have, the supreme court, the senate, maybe even the house after the counting is finally done and the presidency to try and pass or push through voter suppression in new ways. >> that's actually a good question. considering, i think a lot of it's going to come down to what they think will actually be able to pass in the legislation, whether they try to kill the filibuster themselves, the republicans in the senate, because democrats will absolutely, as long as the filibuster is there as a tool, try to block any sort of major legislation to erode voting rights, to try and put up their own version, their own bizarro world version of the freedom to vote act that actually narrows who is able to vote. the states act will probably come back under trump. so i think that they are just going to push as hard as they can, and we will see what they actually managed to agree on

enough to put in the wall. >> okay, paola, hayes, always a pleasure. thank you guys are coming in. i love having you here in the studio. saturday night, i wish you guys had something better to do, but we love having you here. hank you for coming in, democracy appreciates it. the word kamala harris repeated about 20 times in her concession speech. fight. the new rallying cry for democrats and what that means, next. s, next. yep. hey! perfect day for sailing, huh? have fun on land. i'll go tell the coast guard. yep. yeah, checking first is smart. so check allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. you're in good hands with allstate.

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tonight with a message about what democrats can do. it is so easy to give into despair in a moment like this, but that is just what trump and his allies want. no one seems to understand that more than kamala harris, who delivered this message on wednesday. >> while i concede this election, i do not concede the fight that fueled this campaign. the fight for freedom. for opportunity. for fairness. and the dignity of all people. a fight for the ideals at the heart of our nation. the ideals that reflect america at our best. that is a fight i will never give up. do not despair. this is not a time to throw up our hands. this is a time to roll up our sleeves. >> it was a message harris

repeated, mentioning the word fight nearly 20 times in her speech. hours after trump's victory, california governor gavin newsom issued a proclamation, convening a special section of the state legislature to safeguard california's values and find a middle rights. anticipating the trump administration attacks on reproductive freedom, climate action, and immigrant families, newsome said california has faced this challenge before, and we know how to respond. we are prepared and we will do everything necessary to ensure californians have the support and research they need. one by one, more democratic governors stepped up to reassure their constituents. >> if there is any attack on the garden state or on any of its communities from washington, i will fight back with every fiber of my being. >> to anyone who intends to come take away the freedom and opportunity and dignity of illinoisans, i would remind you that a happy warrior is still a warrior. you come for my people, you come through me.

>> and when massachusetts governor maura healey was asked by my colleague, lawrence o'donnell, if she would accept trump's request to help with mass deportations, this is what she had to say. >> if the trump administration requested, with the massachusetts state police assist in mass deportations? >> no, absolutely not. >> and last but certainly not least, we also heard from harris's running mate, and america's coach, minnesota governor tim walz. >> the moment they try to bring a hateful agenda into this state, i'm going to stand, ready to stand up and fight for the way we do things here. >> the american civil liberties union has also vowed to fight back against trump's agenda, saying we filed 434 legal actions against trump while he was in office, and we will do it again. outfits like propublica, responsible for the bombshell reporting on the supreme court scandals, and rolling stones also released statements vowing

to hold the trump administration accountable. it is going to be incumbent on everyone to not give up and not to give in to trump's dark agenda. our politicians, the institutions, and the media. we can't do it alone, but we certainly can do it. yes, trump won. but the fight for this country is not over. not by a long shot. thank you for making time for us. come back tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc for more on that fight. politicians and advocates who are doing everything in their power to fight against a second trump administration and to win back americans who no longer feel seen by the democratic party. i will be joined by maurice mitchell, the national director of the working families party, congressman jeremy john guerra monday of california. until then, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. have a good night. that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur.

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