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good morning and welcome to this sunday edition of morning joe weekend. we are capping off a historic week in politics. wow. here's some of the conversations you might have missed. joe, a lot to start the hour off with. >> a lot to start with, but jim's latest piece for axios says democrats didn't just lose badly. they lost to a convicted felon. they didn't just lose to trump. they lost the senate, house. many hispanic men, swing states, the bluest of states and cities. why it matters, democrats are a lost party. the road to the democrats demascus requires deep self- reflection and new leadership. >> jim, seems to me, you're
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taking a rosier view of the democratic party than most. >> listen, it was terrible -- >> it was bad. >> it was a bad election for democrats for sure. listen, any autopsy requires being a doctor, right? you have to look at it clinically. no way to look at the data and say the map or states where they did worse or counties where democrats did worse or cities where they did worse and not realize it was an ambiguous party on the democratic party and one they didn't expect. good news, we live in a 50/50 country, and redemption is always an offyear away. democrats talking to the same people we do, they feel like they are lost. they don't feel like they have an obvious route or an obvious leader to lead them out of the wilderness. it's going to be, you know, a year's long project to figure out why are republicans cutting into the working class. why are hispanics now turning
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to republicans? why are even some young voters who used to be really sympathetic to the democratic party moving towards trump? that's a lot to unpack, and until you look at it, clinically and in clear eye, you're not going to come to the conclusions of how do you fix what you have? >> any thoughts, jim, from what you have heard? it's not an fdr55-45 nation or reagan 49-state sweep. at the end of the day, taking three blue wall states that would have elected democrats, democrats winning two of three senate seats there. kamala harris within a point in wisconsin, and a couple of points in wisconsin and pennsylvania. not a landslide there, but democrats did worse in 48 of 50 states, and they got routed by 13 points or so in florida. 13 or 14 points in texas, and
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when in texas, they were getting closer and closer over the last 15 years to actually making that race competitive. nothing, nothing there. so what -- what are you hearing from democrats, mainly? is there any sort of consensus in the early days? >> i don't think there's any consensus, and there rarely is this close to an election. you hit on it there, why are some of the senate candidates able to win in states where vice president harris could not win. start to figure out what is different from their politics than the politics you see in washington. we are now 20 years into the trend, whatever we gift people, they want something different. there's an ain't ruling class
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backlash. in the next presidential election, they should do better. we have been talking about it a lot on the show for the last year. there's been a siren ringing, like why were hispanics moving even long before this towards republicans? why are working class voters who used to be the bedrock of the democratic party, the bernie sanders crowd, why are they suddenly attracted to trump? it's hard to win national elections having rich, educated people in big cities loving you. you need more. you have got to have a more diverse coalition. you have to be able to appeal to working class voters who are worked about inflation and economic topics. someone will emerge to lead them out of the promise land, but there's not an obvious figure. i don't think michelle and barack obama want to lead the revival of the party. barack obama can't run anyways. it's going to be hard for harris to say i lost and did worse than joe biden in 48 states, but i'm the person to
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lead you. they have to find the people to lead them. is hakeem jeffries the most powerful democrat by his position? the future of the party? i don't know. probably one of the governors you mentioned. >> jim talking about the back and forth nature of american politics, and we have been doing this a little while. i have done this before, and i want to do it again, again, for people who are thinking, they always seem to think that the election that was most recently held is the end of history, and we have seen it time and time again. i just want to go over this again. in 2004, republicans won, declaring the permanent majority. two years later, nancy pelosi was elected the first woman, speaker of the house, democrats took charge. 2008, barack obama is elected in the hope and change election, and democrats talk
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about a permanent sweeping majority of the ascendant. two years later, the tea party comes in, and they are in charge. could not be more different than barack obama and all of those people who won in 2008. that was in 2010. 2012, barack obama gets reelected. 2014, republicans take charge of the senate. 2016, trump is elected. 2017, republicans lose. 2018, republicans lose. 2019 republicans lose. 2020, joe biden elected president. '22, democrats hold off the red wave. '24, the red wave comes. so there is a back and forth and back and forth, and this whole idea that this is somehow the end of history, which we
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heard in 2004 when bush got elected, and we heard in 2008 when barack obama got elected. it's just not. the democrats have serious, serious problems, and there's just not going to come back by gravity. they have serious, serious problems. they lost a great number of latino voters and a great number of black men. they lost young voters in numbers that is just shocking to them that voted for them two years ago, four years ago. asian americans broke away from them. 48 of 50 states broke against democrats, and some of those states, like i said, texas, florida, pennsylvania is moving that way with party registration. if democrats don't do something fast, pennsylvania is going to be gone four years from now. and the ability to win an election seems even more
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narrow. what do you think happened a couple of days ago? and whether do democrats need to go the next four years if they want to win a competitive race against the republican nominee? >> it's a difficult week. you know, i think that elections are ancient technology for finding out who your neighbors are, what they are thinking and what they are feeling. we have polls and other things, but not until you get 100 million plus people driving somewhere, voting, mailing in things do you actually know who lives around you. >> we will have much more of morning joe: weekend after the break. weekend after the break.
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i want to take a look at the new york times columnist frank bruni with the dose
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democrats, let's get real about why harris loss. americans, at least the ones whose minds were not firmly made up, would surely abandon trump now. there was a limit to the cruelness and craziness, they'd aboyd. that judgment was terribly wrong. i want to name and dwell on the reasons for the wrongness, they are stubborn, misapprehensions, enduring blind spots. they're costing democrats, no, america dearly. for starters, many voters don't know or didn't pay attention to trump's florid ugliness in the final hours. many voters aren't flunged in like that. politics aren't in the vision, but periphery. those of us who get updates
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have nightly freakouts and can old forth on trump and the shark, trump, and hannibal lecter, and trump and windmills aren't normal, but we are arrogant. no, people are busy. people are distracted, people are cynical. they now, too, much, if not most of this political drama, because they regard it in deed as theater. they are responding to the state of the world around them, whether it's to their liking and whom they hold responsible for it. that was harris' affliction, the price of food. the elusiveness of homeownership, and the fact that she had been the number two figure in the administration in charge of the country for the past four
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years. the obvious boring nature of the diagnosis didn't make it less fatal. the belief that key moments matter more than ongoing conditions. sure, democrats had an expertly choreographed convection. yes, harris had a great debate, no doubt. trump had a miserable one. then came his madison square garden debacle. while treating each of the news stories as potential turning points, spiced the narrative, it smudged the big picture, which is about satisfaction with and confidence in the country's direction. survey after survey showed that americans were deeply fearful, and intensely pessimistic. not even the most star-studied rally could change that, not even an endorsement by taylor swift could make it go away.
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caddie, i think that was correct in many ways. your thoughts? >> i think frank bruni is on to something. kellyanne conway said the voters make a difference between what offends them and affects them. many may have been offended by trump's comments, but it wasn't affected them. what affected them, the rents have gone up 30% since covid. beef is up 45%. milk, 25%. particularly the rent. many of us own our homes, and we don't feel the shock of the inflation wealth gap that produces. the other thing for democrats worth reading, not to let the party off the hook, it has to have a long, hard think about the kind of leader it puts forward next time, but there's a good piece in the financial times today, pointing out of all of the big elections that have taken place around this world this year, the ten
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incumbent leaders of the major economies that voted this year, they were all thrown out of the office. that's the first time in 120 years that happened. there's a post covid shock to the world, particularly on the issue of inflation, and incumbents couldn't survive the wave. maybe biden should have dropped out a year earlier. maybe they should have had a primary process, running harder on antiwoke considers, but make it wouldn't have made a difference. the wave went right around the world in the ten major elections around the world. not a single incumbent leader survived it. i don't think it should let democrats off the hook, but it may give them context to start the exploration of what should come next. >> jim, i want to go back to something johnson said on the show. you have always been the
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leading edge of where media is going, with politico and axios. how does legacy media change the way it thinks about getting information? a lot of the voters that went out and voted for donald trump, and so many people are wondering what happened here, they are not watching this show or reading the new york times or consuming media that way. the trump campaign found the voters where they live. how do democrats need to change the way they communicate to voters if you think that's part of the problem? >> for sure. i think all us have to come to grips that legacy media is not as important as we think it is. a small group of people rely on us for their information. you have to go to the world as it is, not as you wish it to be. basically the way people get information has shattered into 20 or 30 pieces.
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joe rogan is bigger than any of us. he has a hyper connected audience that listens to every word. listen to joe and what are the guests he has on? what issues do they care about? realize the gravity of the right wing discourse is on x, not fox. x is what matters. elon musk is now -- i wrote about this yesterday, arguably the most civilian in the history of the country. he controls information flow. he controls multiple businesses. he has the president's ear, and he will be in charge of the new organization to gut government spending. the real power comes from x. people thought he was an idiot when he bought it because he lost a lot of money, and now he has the most powerful flat form on the right. politics is downstream from information. there's a new information
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ecosystem out there. for us, for you, for democrats, for republicans, you have to understand you now have to basically navigate 20 or 30 different parts of the ecosystem if you want to connect with the american people who vote. coming up, what donald trump's return to the white house means for the rest of the world. retired four-star naval admiral who says nato will survive. we will be right back. we will . rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. but i'm protected (pause) with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine
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let's start with the piece you wrote for bloomberg. concern among nato countries. we heard macron saying internally we have to look out for ourselves. we can't count on the united states for the security umbrella we have had for generations now. where do you see this headed?
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>> from the scale of the last days of nato to the centerpiece of foreign policy, i think it will be in the middle, willie. what i mean by that, team trump will put pressure on the europeans to increase their defense spending, and they should. team trump is also going to demand more support for ukraine from the europeans, even though the europeans have already given more. i think team trump would like to get out of the business of doling out the money to ukraine. what i hope is that the trump administration will see the value of nato. it's got a big defense budget, the second largest in the world. the u.s. defense budget largest. collective european is the second largest, and these are the allies who have stood with us for democracy, liberty, and freedom. third and finally, we will need
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nato allies not only in europe against russia, but hey, if we want to take how the houthis in the red sea, what about china in the south china sea? we will need allies before it's all over. i'm hoping the value proposition comes through, but let's face it, donald trump has been quite skeptical of nato. >> to say the least, threatening to pull the united states out of nato. the difference is the people around who may agree with the sentiment, the guardrails will be gone. >> richard, ukraine came up here, and you have followed the war closely the last couple of years. what's the mood in kyiv over the last 36 years? >> dire, bad, depressed. there's a realization that the war as they have known it has changed now. i think the war we have seen for the last three years, which has been in different phases, is now entering a brand new phase. the first phase of the war, a
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shock that ukraine was able to defend itself, and then the french warfare with minor gains and losses on each side. it's been exhausting, and it's causing a lot of casualties on both sides, more on the ukrainian side, and is that phase over? is ukraine now going to be forced to sign some sort of peace deal? it would mean giving up roughly 20% of the country to vladimir putin. that is something that volodymyr zelenskyy doesn't want to do. he wants to win. for the last several years he's been told by biden, you're going to win. we are with you. we will be with you until the bitter end. victory is what you're going to
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get. instead now, the realization is settling in, they are not going to get victory. they are going to get an end to the war at some stage in which they have to give up 20%. then the ukrainians are asking, okay, we give up 20%, but what's our guarantee that russia will not come in the next day. they are willing to give up territory if they have nato, a huge amount of defensive weapons, if they can defend themselves. otherwise, we gave up 20%. a week later, a year later, two years later, vladimir putin comes back and takes 20% more. >> reporter: the biden administration will try to rush as much equipment as they can or will continue to. we know trump and vance, skeptics about the aid at all. a dominate issue the middle east. trump spoke to netanyahu
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yesterday. in the past suggested to netanyahu, which whom he has a good relationship. >> the whole family has a good relationship. it's a deep, tight knit. >> saying you can do whatever you want, giving him the green light. how do you think the trump administration impacts the middle east. >> you have to look at what netanyahu has clearly said he wants to do. he wants to take the abraham accords, the centerpiece of trump's middle east policy, jared kushner was spearheading it, forming an alliance with israel and several arab nations. they want to expand the abraham accords to potentially include saudi arabia. netanyahu said he wants to turn it into the abraham military alliance against iran, and he is already doing that to a degree in that he has launched a war against hamas in gaza. he's launched a war against
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hezbollah in lebanon. the next logical step would be more intense military action, potentially regime change action against iran. he has said he wants to do this. he gave a speech before congress and got a standing ovations on every line from the maga crowd saying we need to have a military alliance and make this abraham accord alliance against iran. i think he believes that now, with president trump he can do that. i would expect some sort of military action, much more pressure sanctionwise with iran under netanyahu with trump's blessing, i would say, and support. coming up, steve ratner is charting what drove voters to
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so according to nbc news exit polling, the economy was one of the top issues on the minds of voters as they cast their ballots on tuesday. joining us now with charters is former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst steve ratner. steve, you are looking at the metrics that fueled trump's win. let's start with the issue of income. what do the numbers tell you? >> of course, mika, the heart of the matter for almost every
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american. what is my purchasing power? what's happening to my standard of living? i will show you what did happen over the last decade or so. going back to 2014, and these are all inflation adjusted income, what you have after inflation. incomes rose steadily at the rate of 1.3%, all the way through the trump administration. 1.3% may not sound like a big number, but that's after inflation, more number you have to spend. this was a covid distortion. during the biden administration, you can see they went down for awhile, the big burst of inflation we had, and then lately, they have been coming back, and when all is said and done, basically flat for this period this bothers americans, and they feel it was even worse because they don't see these numbers or chart exactly, but they feel this. they don't quite feel this. they basically say inflation is what is hurting them. incomes did not do as well in the biden administration as the
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trump administration. we just have to put that out there. >> steve, let's continue through the charts. so talk about the disconnect between how well american economy is doing, we hear it all of the time. america is the envy of the world. every leader says they would love to trade places with the united states and the u.s. dollar moving to an all time high. stock market all time high. s&p all time high. talk about the overall economy, and this segment of the economy you say for working class americans, you think drove the election in donald trump's direction. >> sure, joe, so, yes, as recently as last week, the american economy overall, doing fantastically well. the envy of the world, and everything we have been talking about, growth, low unemployment, and inflation coming down. talking about how it affects the average american. one of the big things lurking
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behind the fact you have a huge right track wrong track upsidedown poll numbers we have seen so much of, the american dream, and the question if the american dream is there. let's look at the one chart. back to 1940, 90% of young americans by the age of 35 or 30 rather, would make more money than their parents did. that has come steadily down. some of that is natural as we have become more prosperous. continues to go down and down and down, and down at 50%. only 50% of american parents should believe or will find that their son or daughter is making as much or more as they are making at the age of 30. that's not the american dream. the american dream is each generation is supposed to do better than the one before. >> your final chart is about industrial wages falling behind. tell us about it. >> actually, mika, before we do that, can i do the middle chart?
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>> do the middle chart. which one? >> it's in the same theme of what happens. >> okay. >> all of the income and inequality in the country over the last 20 years has led to very different outcomes. if you're a white child born in the bottom 25th percentile, the famous white working class. 1978 verses born in 1992, inflation adjusted basis. a child born in 1992 had 6% less income after inflation and all of that at the age of 30 than -- or the age of 27 rather than the child born in 1978. children in this cohort or white working class are making less and less and less each birth year they have. in contrast, the people at the top, making a bit more for each child born. you have a situation where children of white working class parents are making less each child year after year as they
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are born. they are completely the opposite at the top. let's also compare millennials to baby boomers. i'm a baby boomer, and see what their different situation is. if you talk about homeownership, baby boomers, 62% of baby boomers own a home, 49% of millennials owned a home at the same age of 35. millennials, worse off. if you look at negative net worth, ie, being bankrupt, 14% of millennials, and only 9% of boomers. millennials have 30% less wealth than baby boomers had at the same point in their life. the top 10% of millennials had more wealth than the baby boomers. you have huge wealth inequality among the millennials. these are all reasons why
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people feel that the american dream isn't what it was supposed to be. up next, presidential historian michael beshlesh is joining us with his perspective on this week's election. e on this week's election. ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses let's take a look at those scenarios. j.p. morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools, like wealth plan to keep you on track. when you're planning for it all... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management. ah mornings! cough? congestion? i'm feeling better. all in one and done... with mucinex kickstart. aaaaaaaaaaaaa. - headache? - better now. mucinex kickstart gives all-in-one and done relief with a morning jolt of instant cooling sensation. it's comeback season.
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michael beschloss, the voting coalition that donald trump put together, and again, i would suggest not because of the things he said and the horrible statements he said and the antidemocratic pro authoritarian statements he said, but people try to get away from the democratic elitist. the coalition they put together, sorry, i'm thinking it's friday. i'm talking slower today. >> i'm just agreeing. >> according to the new york times, a working class coalition across racial lines.
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i remember reading a beautiful book written about bobby kennedy, and after the assassination, and as that train went from new york, down to washington, d.c., and people waving, black people on one side of the tracks waving flags. white people on the other side of the tracks waving flags. i'm sure you saw it, and as the train went past, they turned around and went their separate ways, and there's not been an election where they came together and voted again. let's not overstate donald trump's support with black voters. he did much better, but make no mistake, with hispanic voters, they did come together with working class white americans. donald trump has, in 2024, put together a working class coalition of white working class voters and working class voters of people of color, and
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that is something that if the democratic party does not think that is something they need, to get under the hood of right now, today, this morning, then they are clueless. >> yes, i totally agree with that. you know what is beginning to remind me, joe? you were showing the map of blue democratic areas that won on tuesday verses the red ones, and look where the blue areas are. the democrats are in danger of becoming a regional coastal party. you know, the so-called blue wall states, they didn't prove to be a blue wall on tuesday. you have states along the west coast, east coast, northern midwest, and the democrats concede everything else and say we will let that go because we will not be connected. the result of that is that every single presidential election now becomes what it did on tuesday, a democratic
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presidential candidate having to thread the needle of making sure that he or she sees those few potentially democratic states, and if you lose one or two, and there was more than that on tuesday, the democrats are locked out. i'm not going to go so far to say it's like the 1920s, but, you know, you grew up in the south, not in the 1920s, but in the 1920s, the democratic party was a relatively small, white, racist regional party centers on the south. fdr in 1936 was able to expand the coalition to the cities to bring in the black voters. black voters before the 1930s were not democratic. those were the white racists. whether we like donald trump or don't like donald trump or approve of everything he says or does do, you have to give him credit for what he did on tuesday. >> absolutely. >> it was a red wave. >> yes, it was.
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>> a potential movement that could last into the future, and the other thing is, you combine that with his ambition to be the strongest president in american history. plus owning both houses. there was the prospect the democrats would control the house if there was a trump victory. you got trump, i don't want to say owning the supreme court, but certainly a friendly, compliant supreme court, one- third of which he appointed, and the plan to use the defense and justice department and other federal agencies to create more presidential power in the white house than we have ever seen in two centuries. >> trump won. >> that's what we are facing. >> trump won resoundingly, he absolutely did. to close out the conversation, i just wonder, moving forward, because it felt like it was
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missing for many years, actually, and that is how to engage americans, especially, willie, young americans in civic duty, something even national service may be to an extreme, but something that brings young people together to work towards a common goal. i think young people are fractured and lonely, as is, but if you bring people together towards a higher goal that is around the concept of freedom and democracy, that progress, to participate in the process of being a part of the democracy and understanding how fragile it is, i think would help a lot in the future because i don't think that people were thinking about that in this election. it may be something we are thinking about in the next couple of years. >> it's important, and we are about to see for the next four years what it potentially looks like. i think to cite congressman torres again, his explanation
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and people are frustrated they can't get the things they want for their family because they are too expensive, or the opportunity doesn't feel like it's there, don't have the luxury of worrying of the grand concept of democracy. >> that's fair. >> a real sentiment. >> totally agree. >> young people, they are on tiktok, and whether it's teenagers or college kids or people in their 20s, and donald trump is a super star. >> we have to watch this. >> it's not about politics. it's not about policy. it's a pop cultural movement. they think he's funny because he said a clip. he said the thing you're not allowed to say. i'm not defending that. i'm saying that's what is happening online. to quote another democrat, bernie sanders said, quote, it should come as no great surprise that the democratic party that has abandoned working class people would find
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with veterans day approaching, a new book is
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highlighting the united states fighting forces. it features gripping, firsthand accounts of heroism on the battlefield from world war ii through the war in afghanistan. joining us, james patterson and matt eversmann. their first book together was released in 2021. gentlemen, thank you for being here. matt, tell us a little bit about the genesis of the book and your own experiences in combat. >> that's a great question, and it was all jim's idea from the idea. this idea of how do we tell the stories of the brave american sons and daughters? over the years it progressed up to american heroes, and i could only add, jonathan, combat is such a unique experience.
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i mean, it's tense, it's zero to scary in a second, and it erupts. it's overwhelming. you find yourself in a moment where i have to take action, and then you realize it's not enough. what these guys and gals do, they do the next thing. that's combat. that's what we tell them. >> i asked matt at one point, we were out to dinner, and i said how close are you, like the movie blackhawk down where matt was the sergeant, and i said how close are you, and he said this close. that's the reality of what these men and women do and did. >> tell us the challenges of the experience unlike anything else in the human experience. how do you translate to the printed page? >> one of the amazing things and matt would talk about cause he did most of the interviews and has been through it, but the stories blow his mind. matt and i talked about, you know, you guys, do, well, baseball. we have the dodgers and yankers
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and kansas city. the best ohtani had, it doesn't compare to the heroic action or just the historic, moving part of the story. >> and you know, jonathan, the thing that is interesting. these men and women are self- deprecating to a fault. you talk to them, tell me a little of your story, and they are like, eh. i didn't really do anything. they did it. >> you found it that way in real combat. >> it's true. these men and women, again, they would tell you, i did it for everybody else, and i just did what needed to be done, and they say it so humbly, it's so motivating. >> the stories are like this one he got the medal of honor, and his team, he put the grenade in his pocket and lived, but stories like that and one guy, the helicopter wouldn't come in to pick up the wounded, and he ran out on the field, and he said if i can
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stand here, you can land here. >> how did you choose who to highlight? tell us one or two other stories. >> we were thankful for the help from the congressional medal of honor society, getting living recipients, and then friends of friends. we spread a wide net, and i tell you, the stories, one is as good as the next. almost to the point that the editing piece, i don't know how -- thankfully i don't have to do anything about deciding who makes the cut, but i will tell you, they are all amazing. the one i have to highlight, colonel ralph pucket. he's the only interview of all the books we have done in person, and sadly, you know colonel pucket passed away before publication. korean war veteran, the last living korean war medal of
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honor recipient, and he stood on top of the hilltop 205 fighting off the chinese arm, wounded in action, telling everyone to get off the hill, leave me here, and calling in fire, and thankfully his rangers disobeyed the honor and carried him off the hill. >> right now, i tell you, we need heroes. not necessarily doing that, but small things you can do. we need people, it's about us, not about me. >> we just showed the image there of president biden delivering the award. i was there for the white house there for that, barely a dry eye in the house. the important book, american heroes on sale now. thank you both very much. that's it for this hour. we will be back here tomorrow to kick off a brand new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your weekend. of your weekend.

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