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the weekend. here's the deal. it takes millions of federal workers, across hundreds of departments to ensure the u.s. government runs smoothly. y'all know how that goes, right? most of them are not politics seeking another term. they are not partisans looking for the approval of a political wing. folks, they are everyday americans working for a paycheck. my daddy was one of the workers. i know firsthand. soon to be president donald trump referring to them as the deep state. beginning on january 20th, he vows to fire thousands of the hard-working americans, replacing them with loyalists, willing to push the boundaries of the executive branch to the very breaking point. the new york times reports that thousands of federal workers are bracing for trump to revive the executive order from late

in his first term, classifying them as at-will employees, making them easier to fire and replace with his political stooges. inning us now is eric swalwell from california and former adviser to mike pence, our friend, olivia troy. >> i think, congressmen, people when they hear michael read this, some people may suggest we are being a little dramatic, and this is not the plan or the policy because it seems ridiculous, but what say you? >> well, donald trump is not that bright. you could roll dice and get a number higher than his iq most of the time. if he's going to implement trump's project 2025, he's going to need loyalists who are going to execute on the plan. he can't do it himself. he's a me, me, me guy. he just want to avoid jail. he likes like the trappings of

the presidency he's going to need to put in place musk, rfk jr., the other gallery-like individuals. that's where the fight is going to be. i understand that people are upset or grieving, and they can't believe this happened, but we need to get back on the field. over the next six to eight weeks, that's when the nominations are going to happen, and that's where the senators, some of them like collins and tillis, who are going to be up in '26 will have real decisions to make. if we are just feeling sorry for yourselves and telling the voters, your kids' vaccines? gone if rfk jr. is in, we are doing a disservice to the child we have right now. yes, he is not himself capable of doing this, but the minions he wants to put in, they are just chomping at the bit to do it. >> you think it's a real policy? >> yes. >> olivia, i want to read from

your piece in msnbc, as trump consolidates more power in the executive branch, corporates will thrive blurring the line with public service and private gain. for people like me, government workers dengreated as deep state, there will be the los of thousands of jobs. what about those of us brave to stand up and tell the truth? your biggest concern, olivia? >> i think we are entering an era where everything will be politicized. my biggest concern is for those bracing themselves for what is to come, especially the international security committee. the department of defense is changing for ranks in the senior leadership. there's warnings going out to the civilian workforce, stay the course. do not get engaged in politics. i lived it firsthand when schedule f. was showing up.

i was there in 2020 when they started to replace with loyalists. they were getting rid of national security experts across the board. my greatest fear, it will impact national security as a whole here in our country when you get rid of the expertise that is there and replace with loyalists across the board. >> that's a big part of this, congressman, where you have the professionals, the everyday men and women who grind behind the scenes, who provide you, your staff, with the information and the details of information that you need as someone working in the national security space or more broadly in dealing with the complexities of our economy, and you have -- i want to play a quick quote, or read a quick quote from trump on talking about what republicans want to do in congress, where they say everything is in play. trump ran on a promise of extending individual tax cuts

which reduced what taxpayers in every bracket paid and the bevy of expensive changes. promised to exempt tipped wages from taxes and social security benefits that could rapidly accelerate the solvency date. the 2017 law cutting the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%, but trump on the campaign said he hopes to cut it to 15%. you're going to layer on top of that the -- you know, the bomb coming in from tariffs he wants to impose, and you have all of those things coming together, and now the federal workforce that won't be in place to process us through that. as a member, what are your concerns about that breakdown? what can be done since -- to stop it. i will just put it there and have you dance with it. i get the executive branch controls a lot of the appointments, and we get that. is congress just really -- regardless of who is

controlling it? it can't be in mike johnson's interest either to look to the agency and find there's no one who can give him the information he needs. >> working people are going to feel the pain through the trump tariff tax that is already coming and corporate america is bracing for that. they will feel the pain when he gets rid of federal workers implementing the chips act. it's funny. he wants to implement the tariffs because he doesn't think there's enough manufacturing in america. what do you think the chips act was? it's to bring manufacturing to america. who implements that? federal workers. he will get rid of the federal workers implementing the bipartisan infrastructure and jobs act, connecting the disconnected in america. if you're democrats, reasonable republicans, the image in my locker room i want to put up, the picture on election night of donald trump huddled with elon musk and dana white, and

these are his billionaire boys. that's who he is going to fight for, and we need to make the message crystal clear, we are going to fight for you because it's you and your paycheck and your hard work on the line, and he's all in with that. >> you got -- symone, you know, i think for me, a lot of this boils down to, and i will just drop it here on the table because we are going to keep you guys and continue the conversation, but i really think that, symone opened up the conversation about the reality of what is about to happen, and a lot of people just don't think it's real. a lot of people think, oh, that was just -- you know, campaign stuff, the conversation, and they are working to do this now, and we know from our conversations a little bit earlier in the last hour, you know, some of the economic policy that is going to go out there, and the federal workforce plays a big role here. the one thing that was very clear from the very beginning

of the campaign, was that they were a target. folks in your space, the national security space, are rightly anxious. we heard just a little taste of that in the last hour with mike asking about ukraine. the policy around ukraine, and just this willingness to say, yeah, you can take it. symone asked the question, what if mexico wanted texas back, well the answer was we can deal with texas. just like ukraine wants to deal with its sovereignty, we will deal with the sovereignty of texas. talk about the work you saw done as an appointee, working with career federal employees in the space. >> you say schedule f, and people don't know what that is. when you say they implemented schedule f, tell the people what it means. >> anyone in a policy related role working for the greater good of the country will be

replaced by the people they are recruiting, i would say the carnies they have been recruiting at the iowa state fair. it's not a lie. look it up. >> i was born in iowa. >> they were recruiting and taking resumes at this thing. just paint a picture of that. i'm concerned what i saw was people being put in positions of power, and replacing people who actually were there saying hey, that's actually unlawful, no, this is the reason you shouldn't do that, or, for example, when it came to the travel ban, because i worked that thing firsthand saying no, you shouldn't do that because it will implicate this policy. the situations like that that are delicate for our good in the american country. people don't understand when they look at the global dynamics, replacing it with yes men, not looking from that

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congressman swalwell and olivia troye are back with us. worries that trump will try have officers who could be pressured to skew their findings in a worse case scenario, the spy agencies could be tools of retribution against opponents, former officers and others say.

>> well, we were mired for over a decade in a war where findings were skewed, and thousands of americans died, and we completely reshuffled and reset, not in a great way the middle east. we know the consequences of that. you can go farther back in history, and you can look at the overthrow of the democratically elected president of iran in the early '50s, and when we used the cia to do that. we have a long history of abuses of our intelligences community, and the outcomes were not favorable to america. those outcomes will look good compared to people like donald trump and others who he would put in place there. the one i think we have to look at that will be so important, the fbi director. >> well the people why, congressman. >> there's only one appointee

at the fbi. it's a good reason. ten-year term, and everyone else went in their 20s, early 30s. went to quantico, and did training. they are not political. they don't give a rip about politics. they follow the evidence. it's hard to politicize them despite what donald trump said about them. you have had a firewall that protected people in the country for being investigated for political beliefs. if donald trump can get rid of christopher wray and put in place a loyalist, you could have someone who would dispatch and deploy agents across the country to make life hell for so many americans. i trust the jury system. i don't think anyone shaken down by the trump administration would be convicted, because it would be nonsense, but the hell you can put them through and the cost

and the anguish and stress, that's real if you don't have an fbi director willing to say no. it comes to the senator. will reasonable senators like tillis and cassidy and others who showed courage in the past, will they say no, we are not letting you have operational control of the fbi? that's going to be a big test. >> a huge test that we are facing. you know, olivia, we are looking, and these conversations now sort of tacking us towards two big unknown spaces, and one is how this will play out for us domestically, in terms of the economy and what the congressman was just talking about, weaponizing the justice system against citizens, and the other is globally, not just with the war in ukraine, but from what we see from the middle east. from the folks you're talking

to in the national security space, how do they look at these competing interests coming in the administration? how do our european allies look at how america will deal with the economic issues, tariffs, which could impact them? and also deal with what is happening in israel? netanyahu and trump are like this. despite what a lot of folks think, suddenly trump is going to be the friend for palestinians, he's not. and then in ukraine, you have elon musk on the phone with volodymyr zelenskyy and donald trump. i don't know why private citizens on the phone are with the president on something like that, but here we are. how do they bottle all of that? >> i think we know why elon musk is on the phone, and i think we have an idea of the

running it. the trump administration is good at flooding the system. what i mean, i think it's going to come at your european allies from all directions, and international allies are going to hit by the tariffs. domestically we are going to be grappling with the impact of tariffs, right? i mean the farmers are going to certainly feel the impact of tariffs. that's what happened the first time around. then the international security implications of what is going to happen with nato? what is going to happen, i talk about article five for nato. when one is attacked, one of the member countries attacked, all are attacked. i don't think donald trump believes in that. he has actually stated the opposite of that. he doesn't want to stand up for other countries and nato. i think european allies are looking at that very carefully. i this i they will be thinking

about, we will build our own alliances because we can't rely on the united states. i'm worried about intelligence sharing with our partners. if i was an international partner knowing the classified documents were misused in mar-a- lago, i would be like, what am i going to share with the u.s. intelligence agency that is being run by someone like cash patel? how much do i trust them not to share the intelligence with a foreign adversary they are aligned with. you have trump pandering to putin or talking to orban, which he has already done, if i were one of the countries, i would have serious concerns about how we are going to work with the intelligence community of the united states. >> something is not right if they are dancing in the streets of moscow to celebrate the victory and demoralized in

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trump made historic gains among latino voters this election. how historic? exit polls showing 46% of the voting block supported him. that's a record high for the republican party, compared to 32% in 2020 and 29% in 2016. if we go down further, the gains were actually made with the hispanic men, 55% of latino men voting for trump. some analysts say the shift is

linked to dissatisfaction with the country. here is paola ramos. one of the best books out there, diet thed defectors, and also here, lovely lady, mari urbina. people need to get paola ramos' book. we are not here to sell everybody's book, but we are selling paola ramos'. we had paola on the show when the book came out. when people were like what is going on? why are latinos voting for donald trump? that's what people are saying. you have talked to con seventive hispanic voters about their thinking, their shifts, and i just think you're the person to help shed the light for people on this moment. >> thank you, symone. i do still want to be clear. i think we are all trying to

figure out exactly the way that the story is evolving, and let's start by saying the facts. it is true that the vice president did win the majority of the latino voters. we have to start there. i think what i was seeing the last four years, the fact that the road towards trumpism, even for ordinary democratic latinos, and independent latinos, the road to trumpism was not that complicated. i think that's because what i was noticing on the road, the antiimmigrant sentiments and rhetoric came up in subtle ways. the transphobia, i heard that in many subtle ways. antiblackness, particularly during the 2022 midterm, republicans really, really had that criminal fear mongering narrative they also heard so much in places like the bronx and even in california.

trumpism was able to tap into something that is hard to talk about, but that is the racial and ethnic grievances i feel we hold deeply among us. he was able to tap into the traditionalism that has shaped our moral compass as latinos, and it tells a simple story. latinos are very complicated human beings and we carry complicated histories and weight of colonialism, and we see it exposed. it's our job to understand and see the problems in order to move forward. >> mari, you take the complexity and add to it it's a dynamic electorate. 30% of latinos would have been eligible to vote that couldn't vote in 2018. people 18, eligible to vote constantly. i think the other reason that people were very taken by the

story, it wasn't just cubans in miami-dade, it was mexican americans all along some of those u.s.-mexico border states, and how do you tease out what has always been there and what is specific and unique to the election? >> so two things that stand out for me, alicia, they are fitting into a broader context. the seven-point nationwide shift across 90% of counties that's not just the broader electoral. they saw kamala harris as a status quo. part of what i think about contextualizing the election, that's going to change when donald trump gets in to office. the second thing, looking at the performance of democrats down ballot in nevada and arizona, places with a much

larger share of the latino electorate, you saw democrats hold on in the sena you saw ruben gallego hold on. i don't believe they voted for project 2025. i believe they voted for lower prices. >> that raises a lot of interesting little vignettes for me around this transition and how particularly those in the latino community see themselves as both immigrants and americans at the same time. so you have a very interesting conversation that david had with the alvarez family, and i would like to play that, and we ask chat about it on the other side. >> i noticed that he was not scared to say what he felt regardless of what people were saying. i think i respect that about

him. >> you hear trump promise mass deportations, do you worry about them? >> yes and no. the ones i know, they are doing good. they are not breaking any laws. >> i believe that he is going to start deporting all of the bad people. >> and the rest of that was and all the criminals. you have this interesting view, and it should be noted, members of the alvarez family, here illegally, and they would be first and foremost on the list, and now know, being here illegally is a crime. if donald trump is going after the criminals, he's coming after you for committing a crime. what is it about the connection, it's not me. it's the others. the other thing is now seeming to be a very salient conversation within the

hispanic community. >> i think what we learned, a lot of latinos had a significant amount that simply were not resinating with the antiimmigrant message. they didn't really see themselves as part of the them language. they weren't insulted by the language. you can explain it by many different ways. one, simply, a lot of latinos are more americanized now, more simulated. the majority of us are u.s. born, speak english, are under 50, and that is one way to sort of understand that. then, i think the real elements of the very real disillusion. s. i have been in arizona and nevada and talked to dreamers here for 20 years, and there's a sense of resentment that the democratic party has yet to fulfill their promise. really promise and give them the comprehensive immigration reform. in those conversations, you start to feel some resentment,

using the same language that trumpism uses, they are cutting the line, they are coming in, stealing something from me. that resinated. now we are starting in the reality of all of these different mixed status families will actually understand whether or not they feel welcomed in donald trump's america right now. when those mass deportation happens, and they will try to do that, it won't be a matter of who feels american enough or not. it will be up to trump to determine who looks american enough or not. what we learned from operation they not only deported mexicans, but they also targeted people who were mexican-looking, and this is where as a community, we are going to test ourselves and really, really understand how united we are, and unfortunately sometimes it takes the difficult moments to get to that place. >> especially since the supreme court is now allowing racial profiling within a certain radius of the u.s.-mexico

border. mari, if you're one of the people doing the autopsy of the latino voters, where do you start? >> to follow up, i think it's important to point to the long- term relationship with k and talk about the credibility and question if and understand it. i'm saying when you have an economic prism like you had within an electorate that is largely working class and young and in their working years, their prism for how they are experiencing this election specifically, will have a prevailing interest in their well being, their material conditions, their wages, what things cost. that is one thing where if democrats want to shore up the community, they have to have credibility on fighting for the working class. that's one. secondly, i think all of us are learning no community should be flattened. no community should be taken for granted, and every community is going to matter.

what i will say is now that republicans are going to be in the majority, you saw how hard of a time the house majority had, they have slimmer majorities into this congress. we have to make sure we are drawing contrasts because the agenda they intend to put forward will be unpopular, and it's going to cause a lot of harm to a lot of the people who may have just voted them in. >> paola ramos and mari urbina, thank you so much for being with us. much more to discuss straight ahead. follow our show on social media. our handle everywhere is @theweekendmsnbc. @thewe ekendm hey, take a moment do you know who we are? we are the kids you champion every day. we are the ones who dream big. and because of you, our dreams become a reality. these are more than just words.

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i think that this conversation is very interesting, in terms of how -- and we were just talking, alicia, about this idea of

doing things that trigger, doing things in politics that get the other side to respond in a way that we already know how they are going to respond. you look at certain adses it was to create division and also within the community itself. it's very interesting that strategy when you're trying to carve out black and brown men specifically on specific issues creating the bro culture, in opposition to the idea that the conversation is actually around abortion and women's health and all of these other things. it's a very interesting dynamic how they were successful, they were setting this in motion and getting the numbers to move where they needed them to move. >> there was great reporting, i believe in the statesmen, one of their reporters talked to latino men, undocumented workers who do not feel they

are going to be -- obviously those people could not vote, but they didn't feel like they would be deported by donald trump because they are convinced he is singularly focused on criminals, and they believe the definition of criminal is -- >> not me. >> someone who is a drug lord, and the truth is criminality can be defined as having committed a misdemeanor or petty crime in the country. i think there's a big question if that's the criteria they will use. suddenly you hear them talking about dreamers who have no criminal record as being ones who are also targets for deportation. >> i -- they -- i'm sorry, they have been very clear. j.d. vance in the presidential debate said, and not even in the debate, said in a number of interviews, doing the rounds on the sunday shows, and talked about, not only he, but sitting members of congress who serve in the united states congress house and senate, talking about the fact that tps is an illegal

program. it was institute in the 1990s, bipartisan program of which people have been allowed, again, temporary protected status to come in to the united states, because of whatever, what is happening in their home country. people from haiti, venezuela, people from elsalvador, and also people in european countries who have been extended status. what the party is saying, that particular program is not a legal program. so therefore, if you are here under temporary protected status, that is an illegal program, and you, in fact, are committing a crime, and you're out of here. i know we have to go, but i just think, you know, the conversation about, like the -- it is, and i would love to talk to, we have pat ryan from new york coming on next. the cycle, ran particularly by the republicans up and down the ballot, right, the same ad. just like what happened in the

2022 midterms. the same ads in the 2022 midterms ran against democrats in primaries, all about how they didn't support the president, and that's how people got knocked off. if you survived that, it's because you had your district together, knew your coalition, and you had creditable validators. demonizing transpeople, it put the target on transpeople's back, but it was about the language. literally, people who -- organizers in pennsylvania said that ad was very effective. organizers in nevada said the same. it was effective because the they them, oh, is this what democrats are focused on, not the grocery store? obviously that's not the case. democrats didn't counter it. i just think that's one of the conversations that people are going to have to have going forward. as we said, congressman pat ryan is here soon at the table.

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seats were flipped blue. pat ryan who won his reelection by more than 13 points has this to say about his very swingy swingy state. he as out just how he won in a thread on x saying, quote, i have made clear over and over again to my constituents that i fight for them and against anyone who would do them harm. period. full stop. >> congressman, break it down for us. what does it look like in practice? >> i think folks are so sick of the partisanship and the parties, and just actually want someone who will show up, really listen, what challenges are you facing, and then deliver, and we have to be clear, not only who you're for, meaning i'm for my constituents, but who we are against. we have to make clear where the

inequality is coming from and assign blame, and work and fight against that to lower costs. >> can i ask you, congressmen, i think what i'm hearing from you, the question of being anticorporatist instead of antiamerican. another example you would point to? make sure i understand this. >> in the remarks i put out, we have to reject -- if we are talking moderate or progressive -- we are missing the point it's about, are you for me as an american, a constituent, human being, working to feed my family and keep a roof over my head? once we talk in the partisan bickering back and forth and assigning blame, you lose people and they check out. it's about speaking to their real-lived pain and pressure. the biggest issue in my campaign was a battle against a local utility monopoly that ripped off thousands of people, and we helped to get $60

million back in to constituents' hands. that's what we need to be talking about, not getting into the bickering and back and forth. >> you have a very interesting dynamic because in the traditional parts of new york, a blue state, and republican, i know back in the day, just trying to grab a little piece of new york for republicans was like, oh, baby, no. but oh, times have changed, congressman, as we note from nbc's story talking about the realignment by donald trump and the political, noting results so far, showing trump winning more than 27% of the vote in the bronx, shrinking his margin significantly. the best result for a republican presidential candidates in borough for 40 years. bloomberg noting trump's vote share in new york is the highest for a gop candidate since 1996. >> i would like to be on record

noting it's a political alignment. >> so noted from our member at the table. >> i agree. >> that's where i was going. symone and i, took the path of she knew where i was going. you need to chill on the realignment stuff to be honest. i know what it looks like and how it happens. it doesn't happen in one cycle or one election. it's a process. there are some warning signs for the democratic party on its messaging and understanding its voters. we led in with your tweet, and that speaks more real to what voters are looking for. someone who is like i'm looking for someone who is real. i got you on this. i think that was not the messaging a lot of americans took away from the campaign, although kamala tried. kamala tried to lay that on the table, but it didn't land the way it should have. what are your thoughts on the realignment piece and so forth?

>> when you have 100 days, it's hard. i think that the vp did a great job putting the message out. we have to give people something to come out for. when you look at the new york city numbers, it's important to distinguish with new york city verses all of the battle ground seats in new york. we did really well. we did our part in new york. a coordinated campaign. the numbers and results are very different in the battleground areas where we invested, organized, on the ground and present and talking to people, and more importantly, listening to people, and we gave them something to come out for. and something to be against, clearly, and that is a huge difference to me, where as you look at some of the city numbers, and people feel like it's already locked in, already baked, why bother? >> just to be clear, donald trump campaigned in the bronx. i'm not surprised he saw gains there. he campaigned consistently. democrats were not -- they didn't campaign in the bronx. i don't think the democrats

should have went to the bronx because donald trump was there, but to be clear, if you spend time in the bronx, but 100 days you have to spend time in a lot of places. 09 seconds. i don't know what is after that -- they are telling me in the ear, 90 seconds, and that's what y'all think. who -- i have been struggling with some of the conversation, not today, not with us, but in general, that people have been having as the realignment as the chairman noted and the idea of working people. when i talk to -- i know a lot of people who would not be considered quote, end quote, working people. to me working people, if i don't go to work, i don't get paid, and i can't pay my bills. i'm working people. there's a lot of people we know who are working people, and the conversation right now, we have to win back working class voters, but who are people talking about? like what is going on? >> in my district, 800,000

constituents, it's 85% to 90% of people feels the pressure. >> white, black, latino. >> it's paycheck to paycheck people, people doing everything they were asked and told if you do these things, you will be able to provide for your family and have security and room to breathe, but they are not. we have failed to both deliver on that, in the immediate term, in terms of housing costs, health care costs, gas, groceries, utilities, and also in the macro, long-term, this is where president biden got it right and did a great job, bringing jobs back, and the industrial policy, we will see the results, especially in new york. we are bringing the biggest -- >> micron. >> the biggest data center in poughkeepsie, new york, and no one talks about it. it's a huge deal. my kids could work there. they are two and five years old. that's a big deal. we have to provide the immediate, urgent, economic

relief. a one-two combo, and i think we need to talk about affordability every single day. >> see? i hit the numbers. 90 seconds. congressman pat ryan of new york, we appreciate your time. thank you so much. stay right there, folks. there's another full hour coming up. you're watching "the weekend." only on msnbc. eekend." only o n msnbc. of early gum disease the 4 signs a toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. incoming dishes. —ahhh! —duck! dawn powerwash flies through 99% of grease and grime in half the time. yeah, it absorbs grease five times faster. even replaces multiple cleaning products. ooh, those suds got game. dawn powerwash. the better grease getter.

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