welcome back to "the weekend." senate democrats, they are weighing a do or die approach to confirm judicial vacancies before trump gets back into the white house. republicans will take control of the senate in january. but before that happens, current majority leader chuck schumer signaled a willingness to dedicate significant floor time to seating judges as soon as next week. president biden just announced two more nominees on friday. outside, progressive groups like demand justice are calling for similar measures to confirm what they're calling quote, well-qualified, fair minded judges who will protect our rights and serve as the last guardrails in upholding our nation's laws and the constitution. here in new york with me we have nyu law professor and former fbi general counsel andrew weissman. in d.c. for the national security division, mary mccord and they are both msnbc legal analysts and co-hosts of the podcast "prosecuting donald

trump." check out their latest episode, not prosecuting donald trump. >> i mean. lol but not funny. okay, on the judges, in the past work that you all both did at the justice department, you -- this is not something that like the doj was weighing in on. this is really like what senate democrats are doing. but can you talk about the importance of the federal bench and just so people have the numbers, at this moment in time, the biden administration has confirmed 44 judges to the court of appeals. 166 judges to the district court bench for as comparison the trump administration at this time had 218 judges to the district court bench and so there's lots of, you know, good progress. and i'm going to triple check these numbers as we're talking. but why is this -- why does this matter? for people at home. >> to me or to andrew? >> you know. -- [ laughter ] i'm open.

>> mary. you take it. >> yeah. i'll start it out. so you know, as people have already been talking about, we are going to be in a situation in these coming years at least the next two years, where republicans have control of the white house. the senate. and the -- and the house. and so i think our court system more than ever is going to be the guardrail as you just said, symone of, you know, constitutional rights and civil rights and so many other things that will come before them. so it's really important to make sure that there are no vacancies and i mean that we'll never get to that point where there are no vacancies but particularly those that are already in the pipeline get a chance to be confirmed. i have former colleagues that are, you know, have been nominated and been waiting for this chance. so i think it's important that this get done. but i will also just say, you know, even judges appointed under the first trump administration, by and large, i

think have been solid judges. there are always going to be judges with whom i disagree on their legal rulings. but in the lower courts, i mean, f i think about the january 6th prosecutions and you think about the challenges to the election pre-election where trump appointed judges where very, very strong in standing up for the rule of law and applying the law that i think many of us would agree is the law that should apply. it's important that we have faith in the judiciary and we get the judges confirmed. >> i think it's really important to note what mary said about there were judges appointed by donald trump who are just, you know, spectacular judges. but the key there is that -- mary's comment that it's sort of by and large. because there's some who are not. and there's no reason to think going forward that there won't be a significant swing to appointing judges who are simply going to rubber stamp

what the trump administration does. and we've seen judges like that, whether it's in texas or in florida, that that's the fear is that the judiciary will no longer be a check and since you have a person coming in to the presidency who views the world as transactional, he's going to be thinking of both judges and department of justice as something to make sure are going to be compliant with his wishes. and of course that's not supposed to be the role of the department of justice and certainly is not supposed to be the role of the separate branch of government which is the judiciary. >> i'm trying to figure out -- andrew, you and i, you know, sort of have danced a little bit around how i view the judiciary having bent a little bit more than i was surprised

and thought the -- that it should, to a number of the issues related to trump's trials and so forth. but right now, you are having this other conversation which i knew was coming. and tried to tell people is coming. about the supreme court itself. suddenly now we have two justices in focus as potentially leaving. you know, clarence thomas and justice alito who both have indicated or at least alito indicated i'm not planning on going anywhere anytime soon but there's a little bit of a buzz and urgency to kind of move it along and then there's justice sotomayor and now my conversations about her health and concerns about her stepping down from the bench, what does that look like? what does that mean in terms -- if that happens, with two justices retiring from the conservative side and then for

whatever reason, as some dems even ck before this point tried to marry up the conversation about justice sotomayor maybe considering retiring early because of health or whatever so joe biden could get that person on the bench. what will is your assessment of the supreme court and what it looks like over the next couple of years? with these issues kind of looming large in the makeup of what this court is going to be like for the next 50 years. >> yeah. critical questions. so there's a super conservative majority right now of six to three occasionally five to four. and with respect to justices alito and thomas, there's nothing we can do about that if they decide to retire at any point during the trump administration. and could be shortly after his inauguration. he will get to appoint two judges to replace them. now granted there will be like

justices thomas and alito, there will be conservative justices but they can be much, much younger and as you said that can just affect the basically what we as the public have to deal with in terms of a court that is not in any way sort of tethered to current norms. i mean the do bbs division is obviously exhibit a. to that regarding reproductive rights, with respect to justice sotomayor that's a critical question right now and in many ways this is what's looming over us as a decision that justice ginsberg had to make and she decided to stay on the court. and then obviously she -- you know, great, great, justice but she died shortly before trump left office. and that's why we have barrett. justice sotomayor is such an extraordinary justice and extraordinary human being and her decision and how she

approaches this, i'm 100% confident is going to be based not on her personal views and what's in her best interest, but what's in the best interest of the country. if she feels like she -- her health is in good shape and she can -- obviously no one can ever predict the future 100%. she will make a decision one way but it's really worth noting she is such an extraordinary judge and person that she will be making this decision in the -- in all of our best interests. >> always a reminder that those who questioned her and ended up calling her one of the most important parts of president obama's legacy. we have spent a lot of time, mary, on this program talking about ethics reform at the supreme court. you got a republican senate. does that mean there's no chance of passing that ethics reform. where does that ethics reform go. >> this is all something that

we think should have bipartisan support and i don't really see it advancing. there's a lot of challenges to it to begin with for separation of powers reasons but you know, there's certainly things that congress could do and that -- but i don't really see the support for it at this point in time. and particularly given the current composition of the court. and the fact that what has sparred -- what has spurred these different inquiries into ethics have been the actions of the two conservative justices we were just talking about. justice alito and justice thomas and while they are on that court i don't really see the republican dominated congress taking action. >> you know, i just -- yeah. people should not be surprised,, you know? elections have consequences and these are one of them, folks. when it comes to the courts, whether we're talking about and i looked it up before congress went on their vacation before the election in september.

they had democrats that confirmed biden's 213th judge and that's combining -- that includes ketanji brown jackson and district court judges and courts of appeal judges. so 213 and donald trump totally confirmed what? about 234 when he was president. this conversation around sotomayor. you know, she is younger about ten years younger than ruth bader ginsburg was at the time when that conversation was being had about justice rbg. and i also think it's just -- people have to be rooted in the recently of the situation -- reality of the situation. it is -- it is unlikely that even if justice sotomayor would say she was ready to step down. democrats would be able to confirm a supreme court justice between now and january 19th or the more -- the early mornings of january 20th. you know, just senator manchin has said he's not going to vote for judges that don't have republican support. that's the same for the lower court judges and appeals court

and district court and also for the supreme court. what -- i mean what should the strategy be if that is the case and you have got all these folks as you just noted, waiting for confirmations, if they don't have republican support or maybe -- because if i'm the republicans, i'm not going to give republican support to any of the judges. right? that are waneth waiting in line. -- waiting in line. i know it would be the proper thing to do. >> i would love to see us go back to the time that the justices were actually confirmed by the majority of the senate as opposed to the totally split party line votes. but i do think that, you know, there's more likelihood of having some republican support for these lower court judges. and i know can be i think the white house has been really working, you know, to expect -- and prepare for this lame duck session. regardless of who won thepresidency. i think with respect to justice sotomayor though, it would be really very difficult at this

late date, we are into november, to, you know, be able to put up another nominee and get that nominee through. you mentioned senator manchin. but there are other -- you know, it's -- the margin is razor thin here. and you know, there's so many things that would have to fall into place and so i just don't see that happening. and i'm -- i actually think the pressure on her right now is kind of unfortunate on this. >> yeah. it is. i mean, it's just -- it's really kind of -- you know. ooh. puts her in a very awkward position to deal with this and also focus on her job on the court. andrew and mary stay with you, because next we want to shift to a conversation around the future of trump's many legal cases, because they are legion. this is "the weekend."

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trump can be held accountable i mean just let's be very clear. there are no questions. donald trump is unlikely to be held accountable for his crimes alleged and otherwise after winning the presidency because you know, special counsel jack smith just had his request granted. but you know it's likely the first step in ending the prosecution. then you have new york, donald trump who was convicted on 34 felony counts in may, he is expected to be sentenced on november 26th you know, but judge merchan moved the sentencing until after the election i think anticipating the fact that donald trump could be re-elected and donald trump himself has demanded that judge merchan throw out the charges because of the supreme court's immunity ruling. judge merchan, he's going to rule on that demand next week. i mean, i'm not a lawyer but guess what? andrew and mary are and they are back with us. >> andrew. let's start with judge merchan, this is the most immediate

thing facing trump cases. what do you think the judge does here? how does he move forward on this? >> well, next week, he has said he's going to issue a decision with respect to donald trump's motion to set aside the verdict based on the fact of the new supreme court case granting the presidency sort of broad immunity. and the issue for judge merchan is whether there was sort of quote, official act evidence from when donald trump was president, that was somehow improperly used at this trial. which involved sort of -- basically the 2016 campaign. and so the -- the judge has to rule on that. i expect that if the judge doesn't sort of put the whole thing off, he is going to deny donald trump's motion. which then means that we currently have this november 26th scheduled

sentencing date. it's -- worth noting that even if judge merchan wanted to proceed and doesn't audrey to just put the case off, that donald trump is likely to try to appeal that or seek a man day misand try to get to the supreme court to just put off any sentencing. and honestly for judge merchan, the difficult issue is sentencing somebody during a presidential transition and i think the one thing that's clear is even if he went for the idea that he would be sentenced to a jail term, seems now inconceivable. so this is the wild card as to what will happen. but i think i agree with symone. the big picture is that even if this were to go forward. there's just no way we wouldn't be sort of meaningful punishment anymore and this is the one case that i think really has a shot of going forward. i think everything else is basically for various reasons a dead letter.

>> we have that from reuters about ending trump's georgia case. you did have, mary, our friend glen kershner adding this in "newsweek." quote -- trump's co- conspirators. if donald trump wants to get rid of the case, the folks who helped him try to steal the 2020 election, if he wants to get rid of the cases after he is sworn in as president he will have to engage in corruption. what do you think of that idea of indicting the co- conspirators. >> all along, you know, i thought that jack smith named -- and we're talking now about the january 6th indictment pending in d.c., you know, he had several co-conspirators who were pretty readily identifiable and i think that had there been more time originally when this indictment was returned, at the first time. not the superseding indictment,

you might have seen all of them in indicted and i think given the timing was one reason why only the president or the former president was indicted. but now as glen indicates, i mean, there really is no reason not to go ahead and bring charges and pursue the charges against the co-conspirators. except for the fact that is that a waste of time because donald trump will almost certainly order his department of justice to dismiss those cases. so i don't know if it's worth the time and effort although honestly the time and effort has been already been put into the indictment and the superseding indictment that does explain the role of the co- conspirators, it wouldn't be a whole lot of additional effort to do that. i just don't know that it would go anywhere and right now i think the department of justice is probably focusing its resources on figuring out what to do to wind down the other cases and moving justice along.

that said, there are many other co-conspirators in the georgia case that you were just referring to and even though that georgia case will not be able to go forward against donald trump. it's a state case so it's a different reason but there's nothing stopping it from going forward against the other co- conspirators. now some of them are are trying to ride the coattails of the immunity decision and you know, filing briefs about how they also should get the benefit of immunity. based on the former president's official acts evidence not coming in against them. but that's all legal issues to be decided. there's not otherwise sort a constitutional bar to or a federalism bar or supremacy clause bar to those co- conspirators being made to go forward in georgia. >> people might wonder why can the georgia case not go forward against trump. >> this is a state prosecution. it's not something where he could order his department of justice to dismiss it and it's

something that would be left up to the court in georgia to decide. but the same rationale that the office of legal counsel has -- that's at the department of justice, has had with respect to why a sitting president cannot be prosecuted while in office. and that's because the presidency. it would so undermine and the constitutional structure that gives so much authority to the presidency and the presidency unique of all the executive branch appointments, is responsible for so many things. that the diversion of time and attention to sitting in a trial, the impact on this in his -- in the president's role with foreign governments and foreign powers, all of these thingscombine to make it at least as a matter of the department of justice and federal law, you know, it would -- you know, violate constitutional principles to do that. so i think that that will be the argument made in state court and even though that memo

doesn't govern the states i think that argument is probably the argument that will prevail. >> that is why you have the 25th amendments. there's a solution. it's not -- it's not -- you know, this is one of the things that's kind of -- irked me in this whole process. and andrew just made the point again that kind of tweaked me a little bit, you know. about, you know, not being able to do certain things during a transition. criming is criming you know? >> unless you are donald trump. that's what we found out. >> that's what we found out. unless you are donald trump. you can crime and not do the time. and now, andrew, you have got a whole bunch of folks lining up who did the crime and are online to do time and are doing time. looking for their pardons. as the "new york times" reported. only hours after the election was called for donald trump, early wednesday, one convicted rioter asked the federal judge to push back a hearing in his case. saying he expected -- he expected, expected, to receive

clemency and other lawyers for january 6th defendants have privately said they're planning similar moves. now in this case the judge overseeing car nell's case rejected his request without explanation in a very terse order. but here we are. you know, the kingpin criminal is going to pardon all the little -- all the other little pins in this thing. and what are just everyday citizens to make of all of this? what's our takeaway from what we've seen the lack of focus and urgency by the department of justice from the very beginning of this? the -- the bending over of the judicial system because it involved a former president who, i put a big pin in, is a private citizen. not the sitting president. so those arguments go away. what do we take away -- as we see donald trump give clemency to everyone who was in this

building, back here, crapping on desks and breaking windows and hurting and maiming and in cases killing police officers, saying you know what? y'all free because y'all patriots. what does it say to the rest of us? >> donald trump when he was running embraced the january 6th defendants and didn't in any way sort of distance himself from that. the president, under our constitution, has unfettered discretion with respect to the pardon power. we've already seen president trump when he was president use and in my view abuse that power. and he will be able to do so again. it will be interesting whether he uses that power in a sort of bludgeoning as opposed to a scalpel and michael as you

said. use it to pardon defendants who have been convicted of actually attacking and assaulting police officers who are protecting the capitol as opposed to the, you know, relatively more minor players who simply trespassed. of course a huge array of people. it will be interesting to see if he shows any sort of discretion in doing that. a lot of the viewers would say none of these people should be afforded a pardon but this is something that, you know, this was an issue for the electorate in many ways. they knew what was going on. that donald trump one thing we cannot say about him is it's not like he hid his views here. and it didn't seem to be a stumbling block for people to vote for him. and for people like mary and me who sort of grew up in the department of justice, i have been a defense lawyer and a prosecutor. it's just so hard to see because it's so -- antithetical to the rule of law. >> andrew weissman, mary

mccord, thank you both so much for this conversation. be sure to listen to andrew and mary's latest episode of prosecuting donald trump podcast. they dive into the very subject we just discussed. what's next for trump's legal cases now that he's headed back to the white house. much more to discuss straight ahead. this is "the weekend." guaran t. schedule your free gutter inspection now and save up to 35% with leaffilter's black friday deals. it's hard to say who'll be more excited on the day after christmas. the guy who got a brand new truck from mom and dad. or the guy who got all the weathertech protection for his truck. like laser measured floorliners... the under seat storage system... no drill mud flaps... impact liner with shock absorbing rings... and top it off with the alloy cover. find these american made gifts or get a gift card instantly at wt.com. (♪♪) (high five)

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and it's moving. >> yeah. sort of the extra governmental conversations are always interesting and now, you know, donald trump is now president- elect. but before that, these conversations that he was having with heads of state and other folks, i think some of that is going to come more into focus over the next few weeks. as trump begins to lay out in some regard what those conversations were about. we'll see that sort of leveled up in some of the public policy. and it will be very interesting on these two fronts alicia, to see how trump fashions, since he has said he's going to end the ukrainian war in 24 hours, you know, how that's fashioned based on his conversations with zelenskyy and elon musk. and now what we see in the middle east with israel and gaza. with the palestinian question. it should be an eye opener for a number of folks who have been protesting, thinking that this

would go different under donald trump. i would beg to differ that it will. >> that's one thing we'll be keeping our eye on. the other story we'll be watching as you said is that meeting between president biden and expresident trump. you have worked in the white house and your sense of what that meeting looks like. >> this is a meeting that, you know, has never been done before because donald trump did not extend this courtesy to then at the time, president- elect biden in 2020. as reminder, donald trump, president-elect trump, didn't attend the inauguration of president biden and vice president harris. so i will note that mike pence did and mike pence, vice president pence and vice president harris, had a time -- moment to speak before he and mrs. pence the second lady, left the capitol. so look, joe biden believes the president believes in what he says. you know? i think that there's lots of -- there are many questions about if donald trump actually believes. but i don't think americans

have to question what joe biden believes. he does believe in a peaceful transfer of power and he does believe that, you know, he has to be the example. and you know, walk it like you talk it for lack of a better term: i definitely think you are going to see him welcome the president-elect to the white house and have a very clear conversation with him. most of it will be private. and we'll see what donald trump says about his conversation with joe biden and i'm sure he'll be gracious because that's who he is. but make no mistake. i think joe biden also means what he says. and so he does believe that donald trump represented and represents, you know, a threat to, you know, our democracy. and, you know, hopefully the conversation he'll have with him okay last time you were here, us doing crazy stuff sir. maybe just come together and the world is in a very precarious place and america has to lead and people look to us. so. i won't hold my breath. >> i don't think it goes -- i

think it's going to be a tough moment for both those men because i don't think they're aligned in that way. and if, you know, we all know if biden did what trump did, it'd be a whole different conversation out on the streets with maga and trump. >> we will watch and talk about it next saturday. ahead for us pennsylvania congressman brendan boyle is here to discuss the democrats' fight to win back the working class. this is "the weekend" on msnbc. have you ever considered getting a walk-in tub? well, look no further. proudly made in tennessee, a safe step walk-in tub is the best in it's class.

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so the wake of the democrats' underperformance on tuesday night. democratic congressman brandon boyle of pennsylvania is looking to revive the house's blue collar caucus to quote address the party's clear and consistent underperformance with working class voters. and congressman boyle joins us now. he's just -- won re-election to his seat. congratulations in holding down pennsylvania's second congressional district.

good to have you sir. >> congressman, always good to see you. it's good to see you. so, you know, michael and i have been having a debate. >> give you a question and i'm just -- it's coming. so just -- hold on. >> look, the congressman knows -- congressman, who is working class? when people say working class, who are they talking about? >> yes. so i want to be clear because i am a fan of your show. and i have been listening to little debate that you have been having. i'm talking about noncollege- educated voters of all ethnicities and backgrounds. to diagnose the problem very simply, about a decade ago, we started to see a real drop among working class white voters. that has now spread to working class latino voters and little bit of slippage among working class african american males. this is not just the problem among one ethnicity or the other. i think that as a party, we need to redouble our efforts among all working class voters. look, these are folks like my

parents, these are folks who literally live on my block, right here in philly. i live in a working class neighborhood. the reality is, for a lot of americans, even though i genuinely passionately believe that our party is on their side, and the other party is for multimillionaires and billionaires, the reality is, what we're selling isn't culturally connecting with the whole lot of folks who i genuinely believe were on their side. so that's the point of the work that me, mark and others are really attempting to do to reconnect the democratic party to our roots. >> state representative harris from your state, the great state of pennsylvania, was on with us yesterday. and his way of distilling that same concept got such a response from us that i want to play it again and get your take on the other side. take a listen. >> so any motion that we've lost touch with working class folks in my opinion is just

false. that's not -- that's not true. we have been working. now here i will say this though. sometimes our party is too much starbucks and not enough dunkin' donuts, that's a problem that we need to address is for example, we can talk about the economy and for many people who have 401k and portfolio. economy is good. for the person that was able to buy the ketchup two years ago for a price that's now doubled. the economy doesn't look good for them. >> is it about messaging or is it actually about policy and also in this media ecosystem, where part of what we're understanding is that there's a kaleidoscope between what y'all are saying and what people are hearing, how do you make sure that message lands? >> so first, i served in the state house which he's a fellow philly guy and sat behind me on the state house floor and i see he's continuing to harass me just like he did when we served together only this time on cable. but i don't disagree with anything jordan said. i mean, i think -- a good bit of this is perception. however, we also have to take a

step back and recognize unique to 2024, is the fact because of the global inflation crisis, literally for the first time since 1905, every single party in power around the globe has dropped their vote share and most of them have been voted out of office. so there's no question that the inflation crisis that people are still feeling the effects of, dictated a lot of this outcome but what i'm attempting to do is not just look at the 2024 results and really look over the last decade, and it's good news and bad news. the good news is, democrats are doing better than ever among college-educated voters. again, of all ethnicities. but the bad news is that the historic base of the democratic party. people who our economic policies are geared to help. are increasingly voting for the party that is for multimillionaires and billionaires. >> i think that -- you -- this

debate that's beginning to emerge, i think is an important one because it does see in a real way bringing together both the economic piece, you know, the starbucks versus the dunkin' donuts, the class side of that. as well as the ethnicity. before and this is where we were having our conversation, up until this election cycle where it's been much more pronounced and the way people are now talking about it in a quote, concerned about the working class, that was largely defined as white middle class america. and we've seen that shrink. and the process the democrats, you know, had created this alliance with black and brown folks as well. now that's fractured and cracking around race, it's cracking around class, it's cracking around economic issues. how do you begin to piece this back together when you have

someone like donald trump who has figured out how to sort of insert himself in-between those cracks? and to further widen them as we saw in this election, where more and more folks are now buying this republicans are working for the working class. when there's really -- we have not seen the full evidence of that yet. how do you begin to sort of recement those relationships and talk about it? it's not just about unions. it's not just about some of the more traditional things that democrats have relied on in the past. >> yeah. yeah. you raise a couple of very important points there. first, i do just want to underscore, this is not just a working class white issue. while, you know, the final data will come out a few months from now from catalysts we probably did lose working class latino males in this election for perhaps the first time in american history. that is a serious problem that

has real ramifications. not just for this election, but for the future. so this is broader actually than what we're seeing just among one race or one ethnicity. you are also right that it's not just economic but there's a cultural component to it as well. and look, we as democrats are facing an enormous charge when it -- challenge when it comes to whether it's fox news or a whole right wing media ecosystem that's making it harder than ever for us to have to breakthrough. the reality is the other side is caricaturing a lot of us as coastal elitists who are disconnected from america. i know that's not true. i'm the crazy eagles fan that will have the jersey on as soon as the interview is over and these are my people. the idea that i'm a coastal elitist is pretty hilarious. however, the other side is getting away with caricaturing us in that way and we need to

confront it and fight back hard. but he's good news, i'm actually very confident we're going to win the 2025 local elections and the 2026 midterm elections. that was the pattern in 2017 and 2018. donald trump is a massive screw up. he has been his entire life. and he's not going to change at 78. he will present democrats a lot of opportunities for success. >> congressman brendan boyle. >> that's what i love about brendan you know. that philly comes out. yeah. this is -- yeah. better be prepared. [ laughter ] congressman brendan boyle, my man. thank you so much from the great state of pennsylvania. folks, we're going to be right back. you're watching "the weekend." experts. (children speaking)

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people who were brave enough to speak out against him. >> that's why we at "snl" would like to say to donald trump, we have been with you all along. [ laughter ] >> that's just -- everybody now we've been with you all along. because they don't know what's coming and they want to be safe y'all. >> i just want everybody to know that i told michael i was like oh, bill barr i opened "snl" and i was asleep and he was like no and i waslike yeah. bill barr. he waslike oh. you thought i meant bill barr? >> i thought she meant -- the way she did it. it was the way she said it and so official and so legal. and so i -- i thought -- >> authoritative. >> very. and i was sitting there going, well i saw the opening and no. that was not bill barr. but then i forget the comedian's name -- this is why you have morning coffee. this is why you do it. >> what do we think? >> i thought that -- the cold open was very -- it was really

funny and very cleverly done. now you won, we were always with you. how much of that do you think we'll see in real life? we saw a little bit, we got a little preview of it. i think with some of the press and their dealing with endorsements and stuff like that. where people are like you know what? we're going to play it safe. how much more of that do you think we see? >> i mean, i don't know. maybe potentially a lot. people don't -- donald trump -- i mean, i just think about ruby freeman and shay moss and all the people that went and testified before congress in the january 6th committee when the ten president of the united states posted about them on the social media site. i think that -- they didn't have security. they had to hire security. i think about the -- the gentleman from arizona who protect -- who the county recorder that wouldn't do what donald trump wanted, by the way he was a republican, and just

-- onslaught and vitriol he received in the death threats. i think there are a lot of people that would rather choose hey, okay. look. he's the president. i'm not going to say anything. one, because you know, he's the president. and two, because i don't want that vitriol turned on me and my family. and i think that that is unfortunate. but i do -- i also understand. because who wants to put their family in the crosshairs? >> i also question what that loyalty buys you. right now. right? so i'm thinking about nikki haley and the choices nikki haley made during this campaign. and the fact that you have trump now on truth social saying thanks but no thanks. i will not be inviting formerambassador nikki haley or mike pompeo to join the trump administration. that's not different than her point. that's one thing but there were people who were looking for opportunities that are in the going to be extended. >> no.

they're not. and look, the reality of it is. and speaks to what we leveled up about project 2025 back in march and april of this year, and that is the reason why they want to get the sycophants and loyalists at the table. we had some of that conversation today. so that donald trump can literally pick up the phone and call whomever he wants in his government and have them do whatever he wants them to do and that moment. and so that's -- that's what this boils down so. so all of -- to. so all of that hemming and aweing and waiting by the phone and thinking that donald trump is going to love on you. for some of them it's not going to pan out. it's going to pan out for the people who are absolutists in their yes mannishness to donald trump. >> donald trump ain't calling nikki haley since june. i don't know why he tweeted it. >> to just rub her nose in it and make it very clear to everyone else who's listening in the universe how he's playing. >> maybe he thought we were not

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