people. >> these are real issues to people and they are real issues for states, and these are all things and reasons that we will stand up for the rule of law, for the states rights, frankly. the rights of states to protect reproductive rights and yes, women are afraid. i can't tell you how many women have come up to me and hugged me or who have been in tears about this and are fearful. we also have, you know, daca recipients, dreamers who are afraid. i will tell you, we are not going to put up with any attempts to undermine our dreamers in this country and deport to dreamers or eliminate daca. these are the kinds of lines in the sand, that i think we have to draw going forward. >> and you have had a lot of experience with that in arizona

where the federal government tried to enforce or use local and state authorities to enforce immigration desires, and that hasn't worked. thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. attorney general william tong of connecticut and attorney general kris mays of arizona. another hour of velshi begins right now. right now. ♪ good morning, sunday november 10. i'm ali velshi. i spoke yesterday about a password for those of us who fear the darkness and danger another trump administration will like a brain. i talked about fighting to the darkness and how history has taught us defeat can pave the way for tryouts. but today i want to talk about finding that path in the darkness. one of the most critical steps we collectively as a country and each of us injured as -- each of us as citizens must take is to reconcile the fact that our country has did this. for many, the loss was a disappointment but for many more, was donald trump's

victory. event -- ran a vindictive racist and boldly authoritarian campaign unlike anything we have seen in american politics and he won decisively. when he emerged victorious in 2016 it felt like an accident or maybe an experiment. this time it was quite deliberate and for the second time in three election cycles the american people denied the presidency to a woman. and for the second time in three election cycles the man who launched medical career with racist invective has been elected to office. the highest office in this country. but this time his victory seems like a blatant betrayal of democratic ideals, a rejection of the years of work that generations of americans, abolitionists, suffragists, the civil-rights leaders have put into making this country equal for all of us. as the writer and civil-rights

activist james baldwin once said, quote, all that can save you now is confrontation with your own history, end quote. confronting that means reckoning with this country's ugly history of slavery, the deadly civil war thought in an attempt to maintain the brutal social order and that is what it was fought for. and it means the comp -- when baldwin spoke about history, he was not asking us to be a scholar of americans pass like the guest i'm going to talk to in a moment. he was asking white americans in particular, to reckon with how the country has succeeded at the expense of other groups. one can't afford to care what happened in the past but history has led you to this moment and you can only begin to change yourself and save yourself by looking at what you are doing in the name of your history. end quote. if you believe as i do that trump's return to the white house will likely be extreme than his first administration, then there will be rough times ahead, that are going to test our faith in democracy itself. perhaps more importantly it will test our faith in each other. this country may not be as equal and adjust as we wish it

were but it doesn't mean it can't be. this isn't the first test of america's democracy. it will not be the last brick if you believe in democracy you have to be an active participant in it, on an ongoing basis. as curtis martin, wife of martin luther king jr. and civil-rights leader in her own rights, remarked, struggle is a never-ending process. vitamins never really won. you earn it and win it in every generation. end quote. as trump prepares to return to the white house with the promise of math deportations and plans to cut the federal government to install his diehard acolytes, we can no longer afford to be naove about what this country and its people have done in the past and what it is capable of doing in the present. we need to recalibrate our way of thinking so we can figure out the best way forward. and joining me now, to do that is dr. perry, professor of african american studies at harvard. she's author of books

south to america, journey below the mason dixon to understand the soul of a nation as well as upcoming important book, black in loose, how color tells the story of my people. professor, good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> professor, a number of people have said in the last several days in different ways, that the concept of american exceptionalism, this hubris that we have, that it can't be that bad, he can't get that bad is something we need to overcome because it can and it is in our hands to make it that good or that bad. we made a choice this week. that is not encouraging. but the fact is, it is still up to us because we have agency. >> absolutely. it can get much worse. it probably will in many ways. i was thinking this morning that you and i literally are the children of people who survived apartheid south africa and jim crow alabama. and so, what that means, is we have ancestral resources to draw upon, that we can live and

it is terribly frightening time but we have to have according to our ethics as opposed to fears and we have models of living in community, in response to chaos and we have to return to a disciplined practice of sharing resources. of committing to having good news and information. to committing to education as they attack education at every level. we are reading together in our living rooms and if we can't do it in public libraries. that we have to share good information about medical resources that we have, to understand the assets that exist in our communities. and really, in many ways, we have to contradict the ugliness at the top with day to day work of being in relation to each other in a decent and good ways. and so, it is challenging, of course. what we have important models that we have to be deliberate about them. it is not a time to be

performative or just to demonstrate with --. we have to do the work. >> what does that look like when you talk about engaging with people because i referenced yesterday with respect to the 73 million plus people who voted for donald trump. some percentage would like to oppress people and don't care if women control their own bodies. most of them, don't think what women breeding out and parking lots but most felt want to see mass deportation. they fell sir -- fell for nonsense and lies. -- and look, when you're facing it, it is by how do you engage with the people who may be in good faith, fooled by the messages that we are getting right now? james baldwin said this, we can love each other until you start oppressing me. >> that's right and i don't know -- it is extremely challenging question but it depends on the circumstances. but this is what i do know. this is what we have to be vociferous in our embrace of the most marginal and

vulnerable amongst us and not recede in the face of attacks upon them. and that it offers a model for our fellow citizens and community members, that we are not going to be cowed by ugliness. i think being in relationship to other people of conscience means that we engage in what john mcknight called asset-based community development. we look at what we assume everybody in our communities have something meaningful to offer and collect information about that and pool resources. so we model some day that is very different from the messages of ugliness and predictive nests and cruelty -- big dig of nests and -- and cruelty. we also can demonstrate how our vulnerability can actually be a point of commonality. so to that point i think it is hard for me to know. there are so many circumstances and there is a lot of meanness and ugliness in our culture and

i don't want people to be unsafe. that i do think we have to live according to ethics and integrity as opposed to fear. >> i had a conversation an hour ago with professor eddie glaude jr., you have worked with closely. i'm not ready for postmortems because i don't have enough data and i need to see the numbers and understandings. to the extent people, there are voters to cast a ballot for donald trump because of valid fears of things like inflation and governance. how do you reconcile that with the fact that we do have a history in this country of bigotry and misogyny. do you have a sense of which played a more put a roll this time? do you think people think they voted in their economic interest but in the back of their mind weren't ready for a woman to be president? >> i think here's the challenge. i think the problem is that the easy response that comes from our history, when people feel

vulnerable or afraid, is to attack the other. we almost can't be separated, right? we have a lot of practice. whether we are talking about the history of racial bigotry and unions. whether we are talking about a period of backlash after the civil rights movement. we have experience where people turn, they responded not by having ire at those who are putting them in positions of vulnerability, but the people they think of as less than them. and so that, to me, is the perennial problem. and it becomes an incredible challenge to actually have people work across the difference. i think the reality is that white americans have not been taught that there are moments of vulnerability that are not caused by people of color. straight people are not -- caused by folks. and we have to be deliberate about making that assertion

again and again and again. and caring for ourselves. go ahead. >> i agree and i want to ask about, because you have written about this. i talked about james baldwin in his book no name in the street, he recalls his first visit to the south and said it felt as though i had wandered into 1019. texas later, you have taken that sort of trip to the south and written an entire book about it. let me talk about that in terms of not understanding -- and why we are the way we are. what do you think americans need to understand about that, based on your book lacks -- book? >> i think what people need to understand is that just is not zero-sum came. it is a commitment to being in the right relation to each other. so as long as people think if

someone else is included, that means less for me, that is very easy to return to the old fashioned forms of inequality. and injustice and bigotry. and in -- and frankly, the moment, wednesday morning i was okay, i was sad but okay but i saw some schoolchildren and burst into tears. because i couldn't believe this is the world we are building for them. and at some level we have to simply say, it matters to be decent and good and just and kind and that, for me, is the message of what the movement was. when we talk about the freedom movement in terms of the legislative victories and the margins. but it was also a movement that was concentrated on ethics and dignity for everybody. whether we talk about sharecroppers, or we're talking about lawyers and doctors. i do think the fact the movement came from the toughest soil in this country, is

instructive. which means we have something to learn from this people and we have to be humble about it. this is not going to be easy work. it is going to be slow and terrifying. much of it quiets. but what is the alternative? we are not going to lay down and accept it, passively. >> and our personal history of our country tells us that laying down and accepting it is simply not an option. no matter how exhausted we are and despondent or disappointed we are, we can change, what this country's trajectory is. dr. imani perry, thank you for the work you have done. if you have not read the book, read south to america. dr. imani perry is a professor at harvard university and author of south to america, journey below the mason dixon to understand the soul of a nation and upcoming book, black in blues, how color tells the history of my people. a woman led them by an

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something not been given the attention it deserves recently because of the election in the united dates is the war in gaza. in fact on tuesday, with the global oak is on american elections, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu fired his defense minister and replaced him with a loyalist. he clash with netanyahu and was critical of netanyahu's strategy toward the war and

gaza. it was not the first time that yahoo has fired him. he did so in march of 2023 after he criticized netanyahu's plan to overhaul the country's judiciary. he was reinstated following, what you recall as the massive public push back. on friday, three days after tom's re-election, netanyahu named -- as the israeli ambassador to the united states. this man, the u.s. born lighter lives in the occupied west bank. he is a major supporter of israeli settlements and of the annexation of the west bank. the occupation is legal to start with, annexation would be super illegal and he is a major supporter of continuing the war in gaza. this is the man who will be israel's representative in a very friendly u.s. administration. as for gaza, israel has, for all intents and purposes, separated into north and south. the situation in the north continues to worsen. after israel said was a hamas resurgence in the north, the idf increased its offensive,

ordering widespread evacuations and conducting daily attacks. at the same time the humanitarian situation for the remaining residents of northern gaza is dire. the world health organization is warning of a potential famine. joining me from beirut, the other front, in israel's war is nbc news international corresponded. that is lightning going on in beirut because reporters and places, when we see flashes, we get alarmed and i want our audience to know that is lightning. danielle, want to get the latest in lebanon. and let's start with gaza though because the situation there is increasingly dire in the north. >> reporter: lightning and thunder, i should point out. and dyer, i don't think really begins to properly describe the situation in northern gaza. i think apocalyptic, and that is it. as we speak now, there are seven members of a family, trapped under the rubble that has been confirmed to nbc by a

local official. 30 members of that family were killed in an israeli airstrike. we are at the point where there dozens of palestinians are being killed every single day in gaza and it takes -- barely makes headlines. the imminent threat is famine, that is because for weeks now, israel has not allowed or allowed very little eight answer to enter northern gaza. to the point the u.s. administration has imposed a 30 day deadline that expires this week, on tuesday, in fact. and if biden is unhappy with the amount of aid being allowed currently, will we see a reduction in military aid? let's wait and see, how that plays out and if the deadline comes and goes without increased. the u.n., i should point out, also coming out with really staggering figures, that over the course of six months they have verified the number of fatalities and a determined 17%

of the dead were women and children. i'm going to say it again, 17%. and most of the dead were children between ages of five and nine. the idf says it does what it can and works very hard to limit harm to noncombatants. i should point out again and again, international media is not allowed and gaza. we cannot independently verify these claims. >> danielle, let's switch the conversation to where you are in lebanon. there was an air strike that killed 40 people several days ago according to ebony's officials. what is the situation where you are quite -- where you are? >> twin lebanon and southern suburbs. more than 55 people were killed over the last 24 hours, one of the highest one-day death toll since the ground invasion. by israel into lebanon. israel said it is targeting weapon depots in these towns and villages. i can tell you anecdotally that

people think the idf and israel will not stop until they destroyed every single village in southern lebanon. >> thank you for your reporting . we appreciate it. up next, what donald trump's return to power means for the future of the middle east and the war in ukraine. uk. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. ask your doctor about breztri.

one of the first world leaders to congratulate donald trump was israel's prime minister benjamin yahoo who quote -- who said it was a huge history. aside from trumped criticism of netanyahu after the october 7th attack, trump calls the prime minister by his nickname bb. they say they talk often. netanyahu has spoken to trump three times of the last few days. one of the unexpected world leaders to congratulate trump

was the palestinian president. in a phone call on friday, it was these two men's first time talking since 2017 when trump, on behalf of the united states, controversially recognized jerusalem as israel's capital and moved the u.s. embassy there, sparking days of deadly unrest. according to a statement from the palestinian president, trump, quote, emphasize his commitment to stop the war and related willingness to cooperate. joining me is editor-in-chief of foreign policy magazine. to see you. i'm trying to gauge how the world is feeling about donald trump. there are certainly people in the world who are really having trepidations about this. the ukrainians, europeans, particularly the states close to the russian border. there are world leaders who you point out are okay with donald trump, partially because he is so transactional. >> exactly and nakedly transactional. if you are a company -- country that relies on alliances that has put -- on human rights and

stands by that, then you are worried about a trump presidency because he shakes things up. at the old order worked for you, the trump order may not work for you. if you are india or indonesia or nigeria or kenya, or a bunch of countries, the jury is out. they might want a transactional leader in the united dates that is not calling them out for human rights problems or for problems with their democratic processes. they want transactional. it is a mixed picture but for us to reflect and think that world leaders are not welcoming trump, would be untrue. >> and by the way when we talk about transactional versus ideological, it is where china has gained strength. people who are allied with trial in a are getting highways built by china are not subscribing to china's ideological -- ideology. they're happy to take trade

relationships and money. >> over the last 15 or 20 years, one change that is taking place that is more countries count china as a top trading partner. that ship has been in part because chinese money has come with strings attached, that diplomacy, for example, has not come with strings of human rights. or other things. that is attractive. no america was making a case of the last decade that our strings are better strings. they are aspirational, the kinds of things you want to do, that your people crucially would want to do. that changes. >> let's talk about china. on one hand donald trump that he would impose 200% tariffs on electric vehicles and 60% tariffs and everything else. that is not something either the chinese are going to want to happen and by the way, probably american consumers are not going to want to happen. donald trump, he's got 1% of truth and everything he says. china is to be dealt with and a lot of people think particularly as it relates to electric vehicles and

manufactured goods, there should be a harder line on china. what is china thinking about this? but the chinese are also worried about instability but like everyone else, they are making overtures to the trump people in his orbit to understand how much truth there will be to his threats on tariffs. trump loves tariffs but at the same time, the biggest thing we are going to look at in 2025 is how many of these terrorists imposes because it is not just globally, tariffs are bad for anyone, protectionism hurts domestically as well. there will be a ripple effect as reporters have been waiting out economically and a range of other industries. with the chinese, i think they are waiting and watching. taiwan is the other area of great interest on that front. the taiwanese as well, have been making overtures to the trump world to get a sense of how trump would deal with them. >> meaning if china were to be more aggressive and maybe

invade taiwan. >> exactly. what a trump support them or not. and on that front, the jury is out and that is where everyone is playing to trump's transactional nature. the big difference between 2016 and 2024 is that the world has seen who trump is. and they are going to use that to their advantage. the taiwanese feel that they needed to tell trump, here is what you would get out of this relationship, whether it is better trade terms on semiconductors, whether it is tsmc, building factories in the united states. if you tell trump what he wants to hear, whether he's getting asked, why or z out of a deal. >> the taiwanese question is interesting because elon musk was on a conversation reportedly with vladimir putin in which putin asked him not to activate his starlight satellite in taiwan, as a favor to the chinese. vladimir putin is definitely a

happier guy at the end of the week than he was at the beginning of this week. >> you would imagine so. with a reported phone calls he has had with trump over the last four years, who knows what has gone on, on the backend. that i think putin, either way, was waiting the election to move things along, whether it is ukraine, whether it is their burgeoning partnership with china and iran. north korea is interested as well, where donald trump had that sort of meeting with kim. they fell in love, apparently and kim has sent several thousand troops to fight alongside russia and ukraine. so there is this whole burgeoning quartet of chaos, whatever you want to call it, and how trump deals with them will be instructive. i think the putin thing is interested in because now that putin is aligned with other countries, including iran, that muddies the water. >> i have to continue education for having you here. nice to see you, as always. we will have many more conversations.

is an old friend and editor-in- chief of foreign policy magazine. since 1960, 174 women have led as heads of state or government in 87 countries, but never america. we will talk about what is behind this almost uniquely american problem including the hidden barriers women face in america that they don't face elsewhere. elsewhere.

on the night of november 8th, 2016, hillary clinton's campaign held its election night watch party at the javits center in new york city. it was a meaningful and symbolic vocation to choose for what was expected to be an historic night. the campaign and much of the country expected hillary clinton to walk on stage and give an acceptance speech beneath the literal glass ceiling of the javits center. we now know how history played out. clinton, who hoped to bust through the quote, hide us --

highest, hardest glass ceiling did not. eight years later, kamala harris cannot break it. margaret smith could not break it in 1964. shirley chisholm could not break it in 1972. it is not for lack of qualification, it is almost a uniquely american problem that a woman has never been elected to the highest office. after the break we will talk about how the u.s. lags behind many nations when it comes to putting women in positions of leadership. leadership. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ a bend with a bump in your erection might be painful, embarassing, difficult to talk about, and could be peyronie's disease or pd, a real medical condition that urologists can diagnose and have been treating for more than 8 years with xiaflex®, the only fda-approved nonsurgical treatment for appropriate men with pd. along with daily gentle penile stretching and straightening exercises, xiaflex has been proven

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throughout all of recorded history and across the world, women have held the highest seats of power in the highest offices. egypt's pharaoh queen rolled around 1479 bce taking power after her husband's death. she depicted herself as a man. she wore ornamental beards and traditional male garb of heroes. her rain was defined by peace, prosperity and impressive construction. after her death, her successor attended to eraser, destroying statutes and depictions of her, taking credit for her accomplishments and accusing her of sorcery and unnatural powers. there was -- the first known female leader of the mayan empire around the year 600.

korea's queen of the seventh century, who championed the poor and working-class until she was overthrown by her own mail advisers. in medieval europe in the 1430s, a french peasant teenager now known as joan of arc became a military leader claiming she was led by divine guidance. she led french forces to victory in key battles during the 100 years war but after losing a battle she was captured by the british, accused of heresy and demonic witchcraft and burned at the stake. in the 1620s queen -- led the kingdom of modern day angola. she resisted portuguese colonial forces for decades, leading her people into battle, well into her 60s. there was russia's catherine the great, england's queen victoria, the hawaiian kingdom saw several great female leaders including their last monarch, who resisted annexation until her imprisonment by americans in 1893. in the modern era the first woman to rise to the position of head of state, was -- the modern day sri lankan president

-- president in 1960 who rose the power after assassination of her husband. six years later, -- was appointed prime minister after she was elected the leader of the ruling party of parliament in india. she was elected by the people for two nonconsecutive terms in 1971 and again in 1980. she held the post until she was assassinated in 1984. in 1969 -- served as first woman prime minister of israel until 1974. margaret thatcher became first female prime minister of england in 1979. she served 11 years until she resigned in 1990. in 1980 -- was elected iceland's fourth president, becoming first female president in the modern world. in 1986 elected president to the philippines making her the first elected female leader in

southeast asia. 1988 pakistan held its first democratic elections in more than a decade and elected the leader of the cop -- people's party as its first female prime minister and first woman to lead a muslim majority country. her first term was cut short due to allegations of corruption but she was elected again in 1993, her second term also cut short due to allegations of corruption. she faced fierce resistance from conservative forces within pasco stan including the military. she ran again and was about to be elected until she was assassinated in 2007. angela merkel became germany's chancellor in 2005 and served until 2021. and she became one of the world's most influential leaders. in 2006, ellen johnson -- was elected president of liberia, becoming africa's first elected female head of state. she served until 2018.

in june, claudia shined down became mexico's first woman to be elected as president of that nation. she took office on october 1st. i know everyone has their first woman leader, there are many of them but this isn't even close to being an exhaustive list. since 1960, 174 women have led as heads of state or government across 87 countries. but in the united states, of course, no woman has ever held highest office. target chase smith was republican from maine, first woman to serve the united states house and senate. she was elected to congress in 1940, re-elected three times and elected to the senate in 1949. in january of 1964, market chase smith announced she would run for president. she became the first woman in this country to run in a major party primary for president but despite her 24 years of service and experience for presidential run was left off literally. this is a universal newsreel from 19 to the fore when she

announced her campaign. they title the segment because margaret chase smith was a woman . watch this. >> senator margaret chase smith from maine make the announcement she will look for the republican nomination. >> because of these reasons, against my running, i have decided i shall. >> will you be willing to debate in new hampshire? >> who will be a running mate? >> none of the candidates indicated any desire. >> senator, if you can't make it yourself, which candidate would you support for president?

>> i must answer that i am a candidate for president and i'm not supporting anybody else. >> her bid for the presidency ended after she won 27 delegates at the 1964 republican national convention. in 1972 shirley chisholm became the first black woman to run for president and first woman to ever run for the democratic nomination. she became first woman to ever appear in a presidential debate but her run ended too after she earned nearly half 1 million votes and 28 delegates. the united states has obviously progressed since the late senator target chase smith was openly laughed at for daring to run for president but we lag behind other nations when it comes to putting women in nior leadership positions. we have it in us to elect a woman to the highest office but for a nation that prides itself on leading the free world, we

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welcome to both of you. molly, twice in the past three election cycles we have had a chance to elect a woman president. the number of people who made this point, including republicans, that there's no question about her qualification and in both cases to be president, they were quite qualified to be president, hillary clinton and kamala harris. we lean into this economic anxiety thing and it is not untrue that there's not economic anxiety but something else is going on, that in order to move forward we have to accept about ourselves. i listed a bunch of countries and left out even more. that have no problem electing women as leaders of their countries >> most qualified person may be ever. not ever but like vice president, elected senator, elected attorneys general. i think part of what donald

trump did, is that he leaned into a lot of the institutionalized misogyny as ways to neutralize her effectiveness. so she was super effective speaker, really galvanized voters in a really important way, and what the trump campaign did, and i think ultimately they were able to, is that they flooded the internet with over sexualized images of her, they spread lies about her romantic history, and they attacked her husband, too. they sort of data full-court press on the institutionalized sarge and he that is very much part of american life. and they brought that out. and remember he ran this campaign that was largely sort of anti-woman, in a way. >> republican women who supported trump commented on that, the testosterone

campaign. >> and there was a question of whether men would turn out because they don't turn out the way women voters do historically. they really did and he leaned into some thing that existed in american culture, for a long time, and i think unfortunately for a lot of us, it was successful. >> jennifer, other nations and cultures have elected women to higher offices and they are not all fantastic countries that have the best human rights. some do and some don't. what are the affirmative things that we can perhaps learn from other countries who have elected women, that we might use in the united states? i don't know what they are. what things allow women to succeed to the highest office that prevent them from doing it in the united states. >> i wish i had a magic formula but my take is going to be a

little more skeptical. we see countries across the globe bringing women into the highest position of power but in recent decades, there's never been more than 20 women who have held the highest executive office at a time in about 119 countries. so while we should look to other countries as examples, we are still talking about a very high office to achieve. any temples in the opening stories come from countries that have dual executives. women are reaching executive branch but they are not in the executive position, they are the secondary position and not the most important. what we see when we look at these patterns is that globally women have a very defined route to the executive office, so men can win executive office and all kinds of ways. they can run campaigns from incumbent parties, from popular parties, from not popular parties. they can run as bridge builders like obama. they can run as elder statesmen like biden. and they can run as angry populists like trump. and aldus models they win because there are far fewer women winning globally, we see that the women's path to achieve executive office, especially the presidency is much narrower.

they had presidents that won only when they have been the candidate for a popular party, so they are promising to continue good times and are often seen as successor of the outgoing leader of that popular incumbent party. this is a very narrow path to presidency. we have very few examples of women being able to run and win campaigns based on brashness, based on boldness, based on hyper masculinity, the kind of energy trump brings to the table. so we have misogyny of the populace and we have the limited leadership profiles available to women, generally both in the u.s. and globally. >> i want to play a clip of donald trump from earlier this summer. let's listen to this. >> how would they consider a harris presidency? >> i think they look at her, i think they will walk all over

her. she will be easy for them. she will be like a play toy. they look at her and say, we can't believe we got so lucky. they're going to walk all over her and i don't want to say it as to why, but a lot of people understand it. >> i don't want to say as to why but a lot of people understand they will treat her like a play toy. that is wild, that stuff is set out loud and not held to account by a journalist who is saying it. but the one thing about donald trump is he says the quiet parts out loud. >> and i think he effectively got other men, who believe what he believes to support him. in this moment. and i think -- is also, she did inherit an almost impossible situation, right? we had incumbency headwinds that almost everyone. and she did run a flawless campaign. and as much as anyone could have, she really did, and you look at the lower ticket, the

senators, the bottom of the ticket, the congressman, she ended up, they performed much better than they would have in swing states, which is a sign she really did take a big difference. but it was an impossible situation and yes, i think ultimately these gender divides were just impossible for her. >> jennifer, are there specific things that we should be thinking about outside of politics. in other words, in certain european nations there are requirements of women on corporate boards or the involvement of women in civil society. is that a direction we should be thinking about or purely politics? >> they have requirements for women in politics. other countries, not just europe and latin america, sub- saharan africa have over the last few decades made a deliberate effort to cultivate

the pool of women who are available to run for the highest office. and they have done that by adopting measures that encourage or even require political parties to feel a certain number of women as legislative candidates so we don't like to use the word quota in the united states, does something to people's brains when they hear word quota. but internationally the gender quota for women candidates is not weird, it is not idiosyncratic, it is in place in more than 100 countries across the globe. at the recent example where claudia sheinbaum won the mexican presidency in 2024, just in june and took office last month, her victory is 30 years of mexican political parties being required to run certain numbers of women for highest office. creating an absolute pool of women who can stand and compete with men and creating a normalization of seeing women hold the highest office. not just as senators and members of the house but also as governors and top candidate ministers. a lot of these gender gaps in politics and outside of politics , then the united states. >> i want to thank you for this

important conversation. important conversation.