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that does it for me today but stay right where you are because there is much more news coming up on msnbc. in moments, congressman seth moulten on his comment stirring controversy on transgender athletes in girl sports. and part of trump's 2016 transitioneme, she will tell us what that was like and why this time around might be worse. a very good day to all of you from msnbc headquarters.

welcome to alex witt reports. we are 71 days from inauguration as donald trump prepares his return to the white house. and a new announcement from trump that he will not ask nikki haley or mike pompeo to join the administration. also today, two senate races remain uncalled but republicans are poised to take control in january. steve kornacki explains the shift among voters . here's part of his report from meet the press. >> it says pretrump. that is the last presidential election before donald trump started running, back to 2012 for that. remember three straight elections trump has been the candidate. so voters under 30 were going for democrats by 23 points and income under 50,000, 22 points. that is pretrump. what comes out of this election? look at the shift. the youth vote, the democratic margin cut more than in half.

voters under $50,000, plus three for republicans. >> control of the house is still not settled. democrats are hoping for most of the 19 uncalled seats to break in their favor. several of the seats are in california. here is ro khanna's assessment of the loss. >> what was at stake is the degradation of american democracy. the courseness of political discord, in one or two years, donald trump will be a lame duck. i do think we need to stand up for people's rights in the country and are looking forward in what we can do to win back the house and the white house. >> also new from the sunday talk shows today, praise for kamala harris and the fight she was able to mount. >> she ran a great campaign and only had 100 days to do it. nobody that that she could even do what it is that she did, like

you know, the first day getting all of the delegates in line. raising the money that she raised, you know, digging the campaign out of a hole to where they were neck and neck on election day. she inspired a lot of people. and new reaction to growing concern over trump's agenda. trump's surrogates responding to trump's threats of retribution. >> there is no enemies list. yeah, there are people who have been opposed to him but he is focused on the american people. job number one is securing the border and beginning the process of deporting illegal immigrants out of our country. job number two is getting our economy thriving again, becoming energy dominant again. that's his focus. >> we have a number of reporters ready to go over new developments for us. we begin with marissa parra in west palm beach with the trump team. marissa? >> good to be with you. now with the arizona call that we have been waiting for, it's

official. president elect trump has earned 312electoral votes, the highest in the three elections he has been in. this is a state with a high latino population. he has made significant gains. and it is a state that he was able to flip from 2020. right now the trump transition team is wushing on making key appointments. he announced on his own social media that nikki haley and mike pompeo will not be invited to return for the second term. they will not be a part of the new administration here. we also know that he is preparing to have a meeting with president biden, the current sitting president, outgoing president. he has promised a peaceful transfer of power, inviting trump to the oval office on wednesday. this is a customary meeting, something we have seen pds do for decades. it is one that was broken after trump did not extend the same invitation to biden in 2020. he contested his own loss as we

know. he did not attend biden's inauguration dating back to a 150 year tradition that was once again broken. this will be the first time, wednesday will mark the first time that the two men have been together since the june debate. of course we have seen the verbal attacks and verbal sparring wars that followed. all of this as security ramps up surrounding president elect trump as we get close to the inauguration day, just two months away. >> thank you so much. let's go to the latest in congress. the gop is eyeing house control with many races still uncalled. democrats are planning what's next. joining me from capitol hill we have julie tsirkin, welcome. let's count them. five days since the election. what are congressional leaders saying about the path forward? >> well, it depends on who you ask. republicans with their newly cemented majority in the senate are looking forward to leadership elections on wednesday, via secret ballot. and certainly some of the top

contenders, three that have publicly declared are jockying for the post and maintaining that whoever controls and leads senate republicans has to be in lock step and aligned with president trump to deliver on some of the sweeping policy changes that you have been talking about when it comes to the tax code, southern border and all of these things and all of the things that trump felt he couldn't do as well with mitch mcconnell who he had a turbulent relationship with while in power. take a listen to rick scott who wants this spot had to say earlier. >> we don't need anymore omniwas bills that have massive spending. woe need to hold the federal government accountable. we need someone who cares about how is the fbi operating, how is homeland security operating. so are they doing the right things. you have to have someone to do all of those things and i'm

clearly willing to do all that. >> so you have a steady stream of support for rick scott. for example, his fellow florida senator, marco rubio a couple of moments ago said he will be voting for scott. you have many who have not said publicly how they will vote but instead they want to make their voices heard via secret ballot. still as we look at the map, the senate at this hour, still two key races uncalled. senate republicans have a 52 seat majority, it could rise to 53. if nbc news calls the race for david mccormick in pennsylvania. he has already declared victory. >> before we get to the house, has donald trump weighed in on who he would like to see in senior leadership in the senate? >> he has not weighed in yet. john thun who is widely considered the frontrunner to succeed mitch mcconnell as the

senate leader, he urged him to stay out of this altogether. you heard from tucker carlson and other personalities as well. rick scott is trying to show all of the public support he is getting to weigh in and to back him. >> now to the house. will representative hakeem jeffries remain house minority leader if the republicans keep the house. would he go to majority leader or are there challenges? >> it seems like he is the only democrat that democrats are sure about. there is nothing in our reporting to indicate that anyone would challenge hakeem jeffries. you heard from former speaker nancy pelosi feels like democrats ran the head of the top of the ticket. there are still races uncalled in the house. 12 we are watching very closely. democrats have a very slim majority of flipping control in the lower chamber but they are

trying. they are eyeing at least 14 seats that they have to pick up to get to the 218 number. republicans only need six. >> okay, thank you for all of the counting on the hill for us. joining me now is democratic congressman from massachusetts, seth moulten. he ran for president in the 2020 democratic primary. good to welcome you back to the broadcast. after trump's victory on tuesday, democrats are are grappling with a way forward. you said democrats are out of touch with the american people, saying they spend way too much time not trying to offend anyone rather than being brutally honest about the challenges many americans face. as part of the argument, you told "the new york times", quote, i have two little girls, i don't want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or a formerly male athlete. but as a democrat i'm supposed to be afraid to say that. i know you have put out a follow up statement. i do want to give you a chance

to explain the comments because they faced backlash. so you've got the floor. >> sure, thank you very much. i was speaking athentically as a dad on many issues where i think we are out of touch with the majority of voters. i stand by my position. maybe i didn't get all of the words right. the point is that the backlash i received proved my point that we can't even have these discussions as a party. the chairman of the massachusetts democratic party wouldn't return my phone call. we've got to be able to have these debates. instead, we have a wing of our party that shames us, that tries to cancel people who even bring up these difficult topics and shames voters. this is the same group of people who told us to defund the police, told us there wasn't a problem at the southern border, who told us inflation was trapsatory, whatever that means, and told us biden was just fine. they are out of touch with

voters. if we listen to voters on these issues, they were telling us the truth. we got to be able to have the debates. i'm willing to have my mind changed. i have had some good conversations in the last few days with lgbtq advocates. some agree with me, some who don't but they are willing to engage in a thoughtful discussion rather than trying to cancel one person or another. we have to have the debates now to come up with a new strategy, a winning strategy for the party so that come january, we can be united to defeat the trump agenda. we know trump will attack the rights of minorities in the country, including trans people. he will try to take away freedoms from women. we have to have a strategy to prevent that. >> let me review what happened since the statement. i know you faced calls to resign. members of the trans community said they are deeply hurt. and donald trump has used this as a wedge issue. has spent tens of millions in

anti-trans messaging, attacking kamala harris. do you feel co-opting this message doesn't represent democrat ideals of standing up for all people's rights? >> we are not co-opting the message. we have to win the debate. we have to have a reasonable position on this that is appealing to most americans and then we will win the debate when the republicans try to shove down their radical position against us. this applies to so many issues across the board. we have to have a reasonable position that appeals to the majority of americans on immigration which is a major issue. the crisis at the southern border is affecting every community in america. it is affecting us way up here in massachusetts. a lot of americans feel the democrats are just out of touch with the border security crisis. so instead of allowing trump to just get away with deporting millions of americans, his

terribly immoral border policies, let's have a serious debate on what border supreme court looks like for democrats and make sure we bring in a lot of different views on this. it wasn't that long ago that we had democrats denying that there was a crisis at the border at all. we have to have that debate. let's talk about the economy too. i think we have a real discussion to have about what economic populism looks for democrats. how do we dres the brutal income inequality. how do we push back against a republican party that wants to cut taxes for the rich and yet all of the polls show is trusted more on the economy than democrats. these are real problems for us that we have to come to terms with. we got to face ourselves and look ourselves in the mirror and say how do we do better, how do we get back in touch with the majority of voters. >> i know you voted last spring against the republican backed bill to bar transgender athletes from playing on sports teams

with women. >> that's right because it went to far. it went way too far. the problem is we don't have an alternative. we are just ceding this issue and many other issues because we are not willing to have the debate. anyone who tries to have the debate, literally they tell you to resign, it's insane. why can't we have discussions about tough things in america? you get innovation through debates and disagreement. that should be a hallmark of our party because it is a fundamental american value. here the republicans are going and banning books and democrats are just trying to ban discussions. we are never going to get back in touch with americans if we can't listen. listen to these issues, whether we agree with them or not. we've got to come up with ways to connect with them better. talk about the police for example, we are not supposed totalk about supporting the police. we were told to defund the

police. the police are really important to security in our communities. i value the police. i know the police keeps an eye on my house when i get the occasional death threat and i count on them to protect my family. yet as democrats, we're not supposed to support the police? that is so out of touch with american voters. let's have the actual debates and not cancel people for simply bringing this stuff up. >> i know you have been a vocal and pretty fierce critic of donald trump and the trans community among others is fearful of a trump term. >> and they should be. >> and so in addition to that, what are you fearful of with this administration, particularly with republicans holding all three branches of government? >> i think the trump administration is going to try to shove a very radical agenda down on all of us. they will deport millions of americans, break up families, break up communities. that's just horrific.

yet trump has been clear that that's what he wants to do and his surrogates are on tv today telling you it's going to happen. we have to be united with a strategy to prevent that. we can't go around saying there is not a problem at the border. he will try to extend the massive tax cuts for his billionaire friends at the expense of every day americans. that is a huge economic problem yet people still trust republicans more than democrats on. so we have to talk about the economy and have a real agenda. this is the bottom line. if we don't have a rational approach to the issues, whether it is economic issues or what's going on at the border or anything else, the republicans will succeed in shoving their radical agenda down the throats of every americans because we don't have the votes in congress to oppose it. that's why it is especially important to have the debates now, that we come up with a new strategy, winning strategy and

we are united come january which will come fast. we have thanksgiving, christmas, and january is upon us. we have to be united behind a new strategy to make sure we win the midterms and make sure we win the debates that will play out in congress. whether you like it or not, the republicans will force the debates. so we have to be prepared for them as democrats. >> let me move to overseas now. today ukraine launched the biggest drone strike on moscow since the start of the war. u.s. and ukrainian officials say 50,000 russian and north korean soldiers have assembled to begin an assault to take back part of the kursk region that has been taken by ukraine. putin knows trump will be in office soon. as the biden administration's days are waning, what can it do about xae serious escalation? >> i have said that putin will

not negotiate at all until he sees the end of the election because he thinks he is going to get a free pass. now putin knows that. he is counting on trump to support him as he has in the past. let's pause for a moment to say how extraordinary this is that vladimir putin of russia can count on an american president to support his position. but that's what trump does and that's what he is counting on. what he is trying to do now is build momentum in the war before trump comes into office so that once trump gets there, russia clearly has the upper hand and putin can come in with a winning position in this negotiation. this is a horrific position for the ukrainians. it is a horrific position for ukrainian families. i represent a lot of ukrainian constituents who are terrified about what is happening overseas and how trump may quote unquote end the war in russia's favor. make no mistake, if the lesson coming out of this for vladimir putin is that he can get away with illegal wars of aggression,

than stand by nateo, he will come for nato next and this means american troops on the ground. this is one of many ways that trump is so dangerous for our country and national security. >> let me ask you what the president elect has done, threaten to pose tariffs on most foreign products. a full 60% tariff on goods from china. you are on the house select committee. will these tariffs help the american people as trump claims or potentially hurt american consumers? >> well, just about every economist in america says they will raise prices for american consumers. they will make inflation worse. this is an example that it is crazy we can't win the arguments on the economy when trump's policies are going to be terrible for the average consumer, xhn who is trying to go to the grocery store with their kids like i often do on the weekend and buy groceries for the week, right?

this is going to be a real problem. we don't know how it will play out because we don't know if china will start a trade war over the tariffs but it will be a problem. but we do need to protect american businesses. china has spent decades stealing american ideas and american plans and copy american goods. they copy our military aircraft. we need to stop that. but tariffs won't do it. they will not stop the thievery that china practices. they will raise prices for every day americans. this is another place where democrats have to have a winning strategy to pose as an alternate to the trump agenda. and then we will convince some republicans to come to our side. if we have a reasonable position in touch with the majority of americans on the economy, on the border, on all of these different issues, and even the contentious ones, then we can win the debate and get a few

republicans to vote with us to prevent from ramming this down our throats. but it will be dangerous for american consumers. >> seth, moulten, thank you for time here on the weekend. my next guest covered the kamala harris campaign. she will respond to some of what we heard from the congressman and the role of kamala harris moving forward. we're back in 90 seconds. moving forward we're back in 90 seconds can find the joy of giving back. only purple's gel flex grid passes the raw egg test. no other mattress cradles your body and simultaneously supports your spine. can find the joy memory foam doesn't come close. get your best sleep guaranteed. save up to $1,000 during our blackfriday sale. visit purple.com or a store near you. what will you do when the power goes out? power outages can be unpredictable and inconvenient, but with a generac home standby generator, your life goes on uninterrupted.

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today democrats are wrestling with the reality of a second trump term with a gop majority in ensenat and what could be a republican house. they fear the party's image is not just damaged but broken. now democrats are deeply divided on where to place the blame. several democratic lawmakers floating theories about what went wrong. >> lock, the working people of the country are extremely angry. they have a right to be angry. >> the reason we didn't win ultimately is we didn't listen enough to the people on the ground. talk about the economy, people's economic struggles, convince people you have the better policies and better vision. >> there is no question that the inflation crisis that people are still feeling the effects of dictating a lot of this outcome. >> let's bring in may rustin, national political reporter for

the washington post, welcome. just moments ago, i spoke with congressman seth moulten. he is facing backlash and calls to resign for a comment he made about trans athletes. as he addressed some of the roanses he thought democrats lost, it is also something the trump campaign seized upon to motivate voters. how do you see this issue playing out? >> it is a fascinating conversation you had with the congressman. travelling the country over the past two years, i think a lot of the things that democrats missed was the idea that trump really played up in that ad that he was playing more than any other ad which was an ad about the trans issue showing kamala harris in her own words talking about her support for trans rights but with the tag line that is what resonated with people across

america which was the suggestion that kamala is for they/them and trump is for you. that is part of the conversation that democrats missed in the sense that there is a perception out there that democrats are focusing on a very narrow sliver of issues. on the one hand abortion, of course and on the other hand trans rights, these issues that progressives have been driving the last couple of years and a lot of americans felt like democrats were not understanding their economic struggles, the fact that they were paying so much for gas, for groceries, and biden administration and joe biden as he was running for reelection kept talking about how great the economy was and all of these people i would talk to around the country were saying, what do they not get?

like maybe the stock market is doing well but i'm not feeling it and i'm having trouble buying eggs. so that is the conversation that will take place in the democratic party. were we talking enough about the issues that working people cared about after seeing this massive realignment. it will be a fascinating thing to watch. >> yeah. is there any sense that the democratic party failed vice president harris more than vice president harris failed the democratic party? because she was thrust into an unprecedented situation and it was a shortened campaign. >> i mean what a sprint. it is almost unheard of in american politics that you had a campaign that had to take off like a rocket and just sprint to election day. i think it was something like 107 days. there are a lot of democrats that i have been talking to that

said there were things that were off on her messaging. she wasn't perfect as a candidate but she was really handed a very difficult situation to deg out of in the sense that she did make up a lot of the ground that biden had lost from his 2020 levels. and you know, i think that they struggled all the wae along. she did try to recalibrate on the economic message and talk to people about understanding more of the pain they are feeling. but it was hard to separate herself from joe biden, to separate herself from the work that the administration had been. and the trump campaign was very effective endriving the message of you were vice president for three and a half years and the things you are saying you are going to change, why haven't they changed why you are in

office. even though we know that the vice president takes a back seat when it comes to driving policy. she had a lot of head winds against her. now potentially she has four yours to put together another presidential campaign. >> i was going toask you, what do you think is next for the voice president? what role do you think she will play for the party now? >> she has a lot of options. obviously in the short-term, show is going to take some time off and and they have a lot of depth to finish up in the campaign. but she has a lot of options. she could start her own political organization as we have seen other potential future presidential contenders do. there is also a california governor's race coming up in california. she is popular in california. she ran for attorney general. she has a chance to get into that very large field and get some more executive experience

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breaking news out of the middle east. qatar says it has stalled mediation efforts between israel and hamas. joining me now from beirut is daniele hamamdjian. remind us what qatar's role is in negotiation and what does this mean for the war. >> reporter: sure. neither the united states or israel speaks directly to hamas. so it needs other countries to

help them and they turn to egypt and qatar to do that. qatar has been home to hamas's political bureau. they have been based there for quite a few years in doha. both egypt and qatar were instrumental in reaching the only cease fire deal last year that saw a number of hostages released. after we saw round after round of cease fire talks producing nothing at all, finally qatar is coming out this weekend with a statement saying it has had enough. the talks have been all about optics. they are for now pulling out until both sides get serious about ending the fighting in the statement. they said they would not allow talks to be used as a cover to tone the war. now, it said that it is willing to come back to the table when both sides, both israel and hamas are willing to negotiate

in good faith. the national security advisor was asked about this today. here's what he had to say. >> first, in gaza, and rolly today, it is not israel standing in the way of a cease fire and hostage deal, it is hamas. israel is prepared to do a temporary cease fire for a number of hostages and then try to build on that to get all of the hostages home. when it comes to lebanon, we have been actively engaged in discussions with the israeli government. i think it is doing that deal to secure with israel and i think we will see progress in that direction. >> reporter: now for the next two months until president trump takes power, benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister, announcing he has already spoken three times to president elect trump. he described the conversations as good and very important. he talked about seeing eye to eye on the iranian threat to all

of its components and the danger posed by it. now, the concern for many now is that under president trump, benjamin netanyahu will have the green light to do just about everything it wants from the expansion of settlements in the west bank to iran as he put it, to the possibility of israel now being able to strike a nuclear site in iran, something that president biden has objected to until now. >> okay, daniele hamamdjian, thank you so much for that. what to expect from the donald trump transition from someone who has been there. omarosa newman joins us next. s e omarosa newman joins us next

do you support him using the justice department to go after the people who disagree? >> he didn't do it his first term he said it many times. >> i don't think that will happen because we are the party

against political prosecution. >> that is jim jordan quelling fears that donald trump will exact revenge against his political enemies as trump prepares to return to the white house on an invitation from joe biden. his last time in the white house was in january 2021, 14 days after his political supporters launched an attack on the capitol. he did not stick rnd for biden swearing in as president of the youns. joining me now is omarosa manigault newman. she is the author of unhinged, an insider's account of the trump white house. always good to get you on the show. specifically today, you were on trump's transition team in 2016. yoerp in the midst of the chaos with trump in 2017. >> yes. >> do you believe jim jordan? where do you think his focus is

today, 71 days before inauguration, him being donald trump, not jim jordan? >> i wouldn't believe a word out of jim jordan's mouth if it came noterized. in terms of what donald trump said he would do when he became president, there was a long list. my word to you is take donald trump at his word. there are a lot of things he said he would do. the first thing he said is he would be a dictator. the second thing is he would pardon the january 6th felons and folks involved on that day. he said he would get rid of the department of education, lower taxes for the wealthy from 21% to 15%. he said he would fire federal workers. what donald trump said he was going to do, take him at his word. >> president biden invited trump to the oval office on wednesday and he has pledged a seamless

transfer of power. that is very different than trump's approach when he lost in 2020. what do you expect from him on wednesday's meeting? >> i want to talk about the transition as a whole . you are absolutely right. during the first trump transition, it was complete and total chaos. this time i believe the trump team is much more prepared. they have a playbook and we know that project 2025 was not an illution. it is a playbook that they will implement. expect trump to enjoy being back in the oval office, really put it in biden's face that yes, i won and to revel in the moment and enjoy the fact t that he is victorious. you will see some of the showmanship but i remember the day that donald went down to meet with barack obama in the oval office. it was covered from the moment

that he left. expect much of the same meeting with president elect trump and sitting president biden. >> i'm sure, there will be the overhead helicopters, showing every movement of the car. i want to ask you about the chaos in 2017. how chaotic was that chaos? what was it like? >> just remember, as a member of the executive committee for the transition, we were told to go to go to washington, report to the offices. the first thing i remember is the offices were painted in a pink color. there was an anticipation that hillary was going to win. the first gentleman's office was blue. we had to sort out the office spaces. we had a long list of all of the political appointments that were vaguant and that he would have to fill. we had to make a distinction between the ones that were

senate confirmed and ones he could appoint. this time, i think he has his team teed up. i must say susie wiles is an excellent choice for chief of staff. susie and i worked together in the first time he was running. when we went to florida, susie orchestrated the entire operation in florida and i believe that she will be the one and another guard rail that will keep this administration from going totally off tracks. >> you know what i've read about her is that she is someone that you don't want to cross. you can feel her but she is a grandmother that loves bird watching. >> she is a brand mother, a mother, and i know her daughter and family well. one thing about susie is she likes organization. she likes things to be organized and for them to run as they are supposed to. she does not like chaos. she is smart, shrewd and a woman of her word. when susie says she will do something, she will do it.

it will contrast between donald trump who is very impulsive, who does not follow through on some of the things that he says he will do and he jumps around a lot. susie will be the only guard rails that will save american democracy. >> i will ask you about the guard rails in a second. but she says the clown car can't come into the white house at all. will she be able to enforce that? >> well, many have tried in the past. if there is one person who can do it, it is susie wild. >> what about when you look at the current team, do you see someone who can play the guard rail role or will the extreme voices win out? >> there are a lot of extreme voices still around him. the first of course is steven miller who has urld said he wants to implement the elements of project 2025. in terms of appointments, we heard that donald trump will not

have nikki haley and mike pompeo. but we know that the rick grenells are coming in and maybe the boris epsteins are coming back in. those are the people who are quite extreme. maybe rick grenell will be secretary of state. i know that's what he wants. let's see if that's what he gets. we will have to watch to see if donald trump will be more measured. i will absolutely say no but let's hope for the best. >> okay. well, why don't we have you back periodically and then we can measure the success of the expectations versus predictions. >> thanks, alex. how donald trump was a drag on down ballot races, a silver lining or two next. , a silver lining or two next a bend with a bump in your erection might be painful, embarassing, difficult to talk about, and could be peyronie's disease or pd, a real medical condition that urologists can diagnose

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and congressman david jolly, both msnbc political analysts. good to see you on the sunday after. we will leave it at that. what is your reaction from what we heard from the congressman? >> i knew you were going to come to me and the whole week to be ready and i'm not. we don't agree on much. he is a main street establishment democrat. he is very much a part of this. i guess my primary thought is we will have to wrestle with how we allowed republicans to beat democrats to the punch in building a multisocio economic, multiracial voter coalition. that i did not have on my bingo card. it was not just white folks. it was a lot of latino and a lot of african american men that built a coalition. it was not based on any rational policy and republicans will have to wrestle with whether or not

they will include this multiracial, multiwealth bracket coalition in the governing process. spoiler alert, they won't. i don't know if those people know that but they found a way to get to them to get them engaged for this election and democrats were beaten to the punch in doing that. >> so to you susan, i want to turn to the raise for control of the house. you predicted democrats would take majority. based on where things stand today and the remaining races, do you think they can hold on and flip the house? are you surprised republicans are not looking at a bigger majority given trump's overwhelming win? >> actually, no. it is possible, a slim chance that the democrats can take over the house. it is unlikely but hope springs eternal i suppose. what i'm surprised is that the democrats didn't do better because of what we saw in blue

states. when we look at the turn out and the inroads that donald trump made in the total count, not necessarily that he would win new york but he cut it in half. new york with biden was 24 point state for democrats. under trump it became 12. that means and that's why we are seeing trump will have won the popular vote. mostly because of the change of votes in blue states like new york and california. now it is going to get closer in the popular vote because only 75% of the votes in california are called and that's where the hope is, very slim hope that democrats can pick up the house. but i'm just surprised how well donald trump did in the slippage in blue states. that falls on the operation and the governors. >> you and don are considering similar things, different ways

of saying. you will have to do a post mortem on this. given the democratic senate vict oerz in swing states, it appears that trump was a drag on down ballot races or the other republicans can't just ride his cotails. so what does that suggest for the future of the republican party? is there any way that democrats can harness is in some way? >> i think democrats can be optimistic today. losing is not fun but losing doesn't mean you're wrong. i love this conversation. i think don teed it up in saying how could donald trump effectively communicate to a multiracial working class constituency. i would say it is easy because all he communicated to them was not solutions but that things were bad. in a post pandemic world economy, we have seen that 10 or 12 leading nations in the world have thrown out the incumbent. vice president harris was having to defend her president and also be the candidate of change in a

post pandemic world where people still have an economic quite and want to throw out the incumbent. if you take that as the baseline and say maybe republicans weren't really offering solutions, including down ballots like senate and house, they were just speaking to their anxiety. democrats still have an opportunity in two years and four years from now. the worst thing democrats can do is overcorrect. the biden coalition when voters wanted change was remarkable. he held working class voters across all racial verticals and he spoke to hard social issues with an acknowledgment that social issues can be hard. i don't think there is a lot to worry about here. i do think losing is not fun but donald trump will create his own anxieties and own crises. democrats staying true to their values will have an opportunity to come back. >> we see that trump will meet with president biden in the

white house, something that trump never offered to president elect biden, what do you make for democrats' response to the election being the way they are accepting the results, no threats, no lawsuits, no violence. but is trump therefore being normalized? >> i don't think we will ever normalize trump. i think the way you make sure trump remains an outlier is to participate in stark contrast to what he did. participate in the peaceful transition of power and to be dignified to do that. i have been highly disappointed with leading black folks saying they are happy with the election result because the people have spoken and they will respect the authority of the office. no, i have no respect for project 2025 or any of the things donald trump wants to do and i'm highly upset about it. but we have to channel the energy into some other type of community building activities. but the reality is people of good faith t and people of

community leadership positions have no responsibility of obedience to the administration because we know what he plans to do. our responsibility is to build our communities and prepare for the midterms and next presidential. >> so susan, joyce vance wrote that donald trump established an alternate reality for his voters to live in and then bought real estate there. here's the question, how do democrats get in there and convince voters to move away? >> joyce vance is fantastic. i tend to often agree with her. i think we are asking the wrong questions by looking at it through that lens. my question is we should be asking how do voters, knowing what they did about trump, the working class coalition, hispanic community, they know what donald trump said. what made them decide i'm going to overlook that, everything

that he said and still vote for him? why am i so concerned about the economy? these were big issues that people made a choice to vote for donald trump and it wasn't just based on disinformation. voters knew actually what donald trump had been saying. >> hang on. i'm going to challenge that and i want david to answer it. >> sure i hear what you are saying. you have the search terms like tariffs and mass deportation, they spiked on google in the days following the election. do you sense that voters didn't quite know the details of what they were voting for or did they not care and they knew they did not care? >> the idea of explaining that real wages are going up and inglagz is going down is not for low proopensity voters. around 2000 with the emrmance of

new money, republicans seized that. fox news and other platforms with podcasts and streaming and whatever it may be. unfortunately, it reflects our division and the confirmation bias we often seek out. i think the right wing ecosystem already has amplifiers that the left doesn't have. down the stretch, to have beyonce and j-lo and others say we want you to vote for harris is one thing. but imagine if the most powerful voices in culture were saying here's why democrats are working hard for you and the republicans aren't. i think the democrats are behind in this. a as long as you three stay with me, we will survive it. thank you, all of you. see you next weekend. steve kornacki crunches some numbers you might not have heard about from tuesday's election. t d about from tuesday's election.