prosperous community of greenwood and one of the worst acts of racial terror in u.s. history. mother randle remains a key figure in the fight for justice for the victims and their descendents, even testifying before congress in 2021. she recently cast her ballot for kamala harris, because she said, "our children deserve a president who will inspire them to learn from history, not a tyrant who will try to raise it." though harris was not victorious, there was a sign of progress in tulsa this week as the city elected its first black mayor. state representative monroe nichols point congratulations, mayor elect, and happy birthday, mother randle. that will do it for me, thanks for watching. tomorrow is veterans day, we thank all our veterans for their service to this country. i will be back next saturday and sunday at 6:00 p.m. eastern. don't go anywhere, ayman is next print good evening point tonight

on ayman, democrats in a crossroads. a debate over economic populism takes center stage after a reckoning on election night. plus, the hypocrisy behind the gop is a newfound call for unity after years of anything but that message. and trump proving california. democratic congressman john on how the golden state is leading the charge against trump policies. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. among the biggest shocks to the democratic party after donald trump's victory was just how well it trumpeted with working-class voters of all races, and economic realignment of sorts, underway for years, came back to bite the democrats, according to some, and it has many wondering, how did the party of fdr, social security, medicare, and labor become the party of high income voters, and how did the party of donald trump and elon musk

when with voters who make less than $100,000 a year? senator bernie sanders kicked off the debate this week by saying that democrats have abandoned the working class. in a conversation with the new york times, the former house speaker nancy pelosi shot back. this is how she explained the democrats losing ground with working-class. >> there are cultural issues involved in elections as well. guns, god, and is, that's the way they say it. guns, that is an issue. now they are making the trans issue such an important issue and their priorities. >> no, sanders responded to pelosi's rebuke this morning during an interview with my colleague kristen welker on meet the press. >> bottom line, if you're an average working person out there, do you really think that the democratic party is going

to the max, taking on powerful special interests, and fighting for you? i think the overwhelming answer is no. x's and o's made a lot of the same arguments after the democrats lost to trump in 2016, but many democrats weren't listening. this time around, though, he has some surprising new backers, like senator chris murphy of connecticut, who is far, far from a left-wing democrat. this is what you posted on x, it was a long thread, but part of it reads, "when progressives like bernie to aggressively go after the elites that will people down, there shunned as dangerous populists. why? maybe because a true economic populism is bad for our high income base. we cannot be afraid of fights, especially with the economic elites who have profited off neoliberalism. democrats like the harris campaign are tepid in our fights with billionaires and corporations. and real economic populism should be our tent pole. but it is -- not just senator murphy, david brooks has

written columns like this one from 2020, called it "no, not sanders, not ever," had this to say after trump's victory, "i am a moderate. i like it when the candidates run to the center, but i have to confess that harris did that pretty effectively and it didn't work. maybe the democrats have to embrace a bernie sanders style disruption, something that will make people like me feel uncomfortable." and then there is good reason for brooks' change of heart. on election night, despite trump winning a decisive victory and republicans retaking the senate and likely the house, voters also voted for progressive ballot measures like raising the minimum wage and paid six leave. and this is in red states like missouri, arizona, and alaska. there is also logic behind senator murphy's fear of bernie style populism, even after this election, will get shut down by democrats that are elite. if you can remember early on in harris's campaign, she briefly took a populist tone and went

on the attack against big business. then that populism somehow disappeared as quickly as it came. well, according to the atlantic, harris's a brother in law, tony west, who also happens to be uber's chief legal officer, was behind that change in tone. he reportedly pushed for harris to win over more ceos and billionaires like mark cuban, who became one of the campaign's chief surrogates. now, this tracks with reporting late in the campaign were harris's team was bragging to the new york times about how wall street was shaping her agenda. so, even if democrats do come to their senses and tried to start adopting sanders style populism, how do they free themselves of big business when it has become so intertwined with the party? political campaigns require gigantic sums of money, regardless of or in spite of the ideology of its candidates. and the harris campaign did that, they raised and spent $1.8 billion this cycle.

the top pollsters, consultants, and strategists all profited handsomely from these campaigns. then they often go work in the private sector, working for the very companies democrats should be running against. i can say one thing point if democrats can't answer this question, they may be in for more election nights in the future like the one we witnessed on tuesday. kicking us off tonight, maurice mitchell, national director of the working families party, and malika, journalist and author of it is not you, it is capitalism. it is great to have both of you with us. i will start with you, there does seem to be a contradiction in senator sanders is positioned. on one hand, he argues that the biden administration was the most progressive tense fdr, but on the other hand, he says the party has abandoned the working class. how do you square that circle, how do democrats translate the types of wins they delivered for the working class, the infrastructure act, the chips

act, many of the things that they fought for and achieved during the first couple years of the biden-harris in ministration to long-term success? >> it is good to be here, ayman. and i think that contradiction is one of the fundamental problems inside of the tent of the democratic party, the fact that mark cuban and aoc at bernie sanders can live inside of the same tents. you can't live inside of that tent comfortably, and so, i think what he is articulating is an inconsistency, and something everyday working people can see. i agree, i'm glad that you brought up the fact that in the very beginning, vp harris was running with a populist message. we tested those messages independently as a working families party. we demonstrated that everyday working people, they are not necessarily captured by one party or another, but they are looking for people who are willing to every single day fight for them and fight against the forces that are bringing the economy and society against

them, so, when she rolled out a policy that was coming after the price gouging corporations, folks of the working families party, we were excited. and then when those messages kind of got submerged, we got concerned. we published our own independent message -- pro harris message, that spoke about economic populism, and it actually independently, it scored through the roof. and as a result, independent -- the independent vehicle of the campaign actually put money behind it. that demonstrates to us that there is something real about speaking very clearly about who you are fighting with and who you are fighting for. a democratic party that is chummy with billionaires, but then trying to argue that it is in the interest of unions, i think it doesn't pass the smell test for a lot of working people, which is why we build independent politics of the working families party. >> for all this talk about

this, it is hard to ignore that republicans represent anything but that trans accomplishment in his first term was a huge tax cut, not for the working class, not for the poor, but for the rich. he campaigned with union buster and world's wealthiest man elon musk. he auctioned off his energy policy to the oil industry at a meeting in mar-a-lago, basically for the highest bidder. yac somehow resonating as a working class hero when he is anything but? >>-first we have to identify what we mean by working class, and i think the big problem is we tend to treat the working class as a monolith, so yes, he is winning over some conservatives who might have left over from obama to trump in 2016, but if you look at this election, kamala harris actually did better with voters of color who did not have a college degree. she had 62% to donald trump's 38%. so, when we treat the working class as synonymous with white people, we are ignoring a lot

of what is happening with slide voters. these are people who are opting out of the electoral process altogether, these are nonvoters, people who decide that the republican party is not a political home for them, even with their frustration. black women, black men, latino women, these are cna's, these are lyft drivers, warehouse workers, who do not actually find a home with donald trump and they are not drawn to him, so instead of swinging back and forth, i say they are sliding out. they are checking out of the process. 15 million people stayed home. so, i don't think we should overstate donald trump's appeal with the working class, because it is not a monolith. and then what happens is when you have somebody like kamala harris, who represents a party that is capitalist, just like the republican party is a capitalist party, they benefit from billionaire donors. so, what they rely on, since their policies aren't fundamentally going to address the needs of the working class,

they have to rely on certain messaging, and if kamala harris has mixed messages where she is starting off with this populism, but doesn't even say the phrase working class, i really heard her say that is, if ever. she had a rally in pennsylvania not long after the debate, and she was working on the defense, because trump called her a capitalist, so she had to then say, you know what, i am a capitalist but did not say anything about medicare for all, do not say anything about a $15 minimum wage, things that were tent pole issues for bernie sanders but the way they get those people back, looking at nonvoters who are drawn to things like a $15 minimum wage and i believe that populism requires racism. >> let me pick up on that point, maurice. speaking of looking forward, it is not enough to dust off the 2016 resistance playbook, it is time for a new playbook. what does that playbook look for for you and the working families party? >> sure, and i want to be clear about something. what is happening with class

didn't start with this election or kamala harris. her campaign certainly didn't fix it, but we have to be serious and we have to in some ways have a sense of humility around what happened, and to me, going forward, we need to build a movement, an independent political movement that is by, for, and with working people. we need to go on the offensive, we need to speak the truth, which means actually calling out the people, the corporations, naming names, who are making it harder for working people, and offering solutions. which is why i built the working families party every single day. one thing i think is really clear for a lot of people is people are really hungry for a third force in american politics , for a political party that is connected to the interest of working people and labor, and we are going to build that over the next few years. >> malika, is it possible for democrats to be truly aligned with the working class and to take on corporate interests when a party and its infrastructure are so

intertwined with corporate america? in other words, is it time for a third party of sorts to emerge on the scene that is truly independent and represents working-class americans? >> sure. you know, and this conversation is about democrats because they lost, but it could have applied to republicans when donald trump lost. he lost a lot of working-class voters as well when you do not win the election in 2020. whatever party is in charge, they're going to get blamed for not attracting working-class voters, but of course this is an issue with the democratic party, being a little bit less proactive about making sure that union work is maintained and that workers feel that their wages are actually keeping up with the cost of living. so, of course, i think we would always need those options. i think when you have some independent people, just by the statistics, where you see that more and more people are considering themselves to be independent, there is a larger

amount of folks who aren't identifying as democrats or republicans, so where do those people go? i do think there needs to be a political home for people whether votes do not depend on whatever things you can do to appeal to cultural values like donald trump tends to do and the republican party as a whole. >> i was going to say, you can't have a country of 330 million people with so many choices across the supermarket aisle, but then when it comes to our politics one of the most important parts of our society, it is whittled down to two choices, with basically six or seven questions that act as a litmus test for which political party you belong to, i think americans certainly deserve more than these two choices. maurice mitchell, malachi, thank you, appreciate it. coming up, i will get congressman john garamendi's take on whether democrats missed working-class americans and how california plans to trump truth to the state, that is next. >> [ music ] >> reporter:

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we do not have a compelling enough economic vision. the democratic party should have one simple mission, and that is to address the economic hardships and struggles of many americans, not just working- class americans, a large slice of americans, who feel the american dream has slipped away for their families and their kids. and you have new voices, congress people like pat ryan, mary omari, perez, krista lucio, who are saying, look, we need to have a vision on building new factories, on helping raise the minimum wage, on dealing with childcare, and emphasize that our party is a better economic story. >> that was a congressman today sharing his theory on where the democratic party went wrong and lost voters before this year's election. some are saying the party needs to completely rebuild to win back those working-class americans. joining me now to discuss this and more is another california politician, democratic congressman john garamendi. it is great to have you back on

this show. let's start with your broad general reaction to tuesday's results and the clip we just played of your colleague. do you agree with him and others who have been laying out that the main issue with the democratic party has been the loss of strong economic working- class centered policies? >> well, let me start in a different place. first of all, very, very disappointed by the way things turned out, but also understanding that trump had eight years to hone his message and to get it out to americans. and basically, we had gone silent on the fundamental policies that we did put in place, and they were the exact same policies that were just discussed by row. it was a policy to build the american economy. from the bottom up, beginning with infrastructure. and by the way, the first piece of legislation in the biden

administration was the rescue plan, which kept american family is able to survive the shutdown. and then infrastructure, that is the foundation for economic growth, and those are the jobs of the working man and woman, who are working at building the infrastructure. and then the signs and jobs acts, the chips programs, and ultimately, the climate crisis legislation, which was named the inflation reduction act. all of those things are directly targeted at the working man and woman in this country, and to build the foundation for economic growth. bringing the jobs back home. industrial policy for america. the problem was we didn't talk about it. we didn't talk about it. we went on from one thing to another, assuming that the american public would recognize the good work we did. they didn't. they listened to the story that trump put forth. so, we have a solid record and

we are going to have to make sure that the trump administration and congress, if the republicans gain control, and of course the senate, don't destroy that foundation for economic growth, and the jobs for working men and women at every level. >> let me ask you, congressman, because the other side of it, and we have seen democrats argue that the party i was moved to far to the left, particularly when it comes to social issues and what is often referred to as identity politics, that it has alienated some americans. let me play for you this clip of democratic congressman seth moulton of massachusetts, speaking to my colleague alex whitney earlier today, watch. >> it is spend way too much time trying not to offend anyone, rather than being brutally honest about the challenges many americans face. then as part of that argument, he told the new york times, "i have two little girls. i don't want them getting run over on the playing field by a male or formerly male athlete

but as a democrat, i'm supposed to be afraid to say that." let's look, i was just speaking authentically as a dad about one of many issues where i think we are just out of touch with the majority of voters. ask your reaction to that, congressman? as well, we certainly got branded by that point i think that that issue really overstates where the democrats were. we have spent the four years of the biden administration building the foundation for economic growth and for the jobs, so that all americans could participate in it. bottom up and middle out. and that was the mantra that really identified where we were going. those are the jobs, those are the economic opportunities, education, job training programs. all of those things were part of what we did. but we were successfully branded by trump and this issue that you just displayed there. it was a minor, if even a minor

part of what we talked about. we do recognize -- i happen to agree with the issue that seth put forth, about athletics. and that is being dealt with at the olympics, that is being dealt with in colleges, and it is an issue. however, that is not where we were. that is not what we were doing. we were doing the economic development. we were trying to put together policies to build the transportation systems, and policies to deal with the climate crisis. all of those things were done. we didn't talk about it, we allowed trump to basically brand us in a way that was a very, very minor part of what we were doing. we think everybody ought to have opportunities, but not equal opportunities on the football field. >> right. let's look forward, if i can, and get your thoughts on what

happens next in your state, across the country. you know, there have been a lot of governors, including yours in california, gavin newsom, calling for a special executive legislation next month to trump proof california. of course, there are a lot of policies the president-elect has talked about that will affect a lot of people in this country, including your state, including mass deportations. talk to us a little bit about what your state is doing. of course, what can california do to prevent mass deportations from happening if donald trump vows to do what he has said he is going to do? >> well, states across this nation tried that. they became refugee centers, different words were used to describe cities that refused to cooperate with the federal government when trump's first attempt happened to the poor people. i don't think we ought to go back there. i think we ought to recognize that this issue is a border

issue and there are clearly people in this country that should not be here. they should be identified, but mass deportations and make no sense whatsoever. but there are people that should be deported, and biden administration deported thousands -- hundreds of thousands of people, as did the obama administration. and that will happen. but the border issue had a solution. a bipartisan piece of legislation passed the senate, and it was the most extensive border-immigration bill ever, and trump killed it. and now we have to go back and deal with this issue legislatively, as well as try to bring under control the flow of asylum-seekers and others who are clearly illegal, coming into this nation. will it be done successfully? don't know. >> all right, california congressman john garamendi can always appreciate having you on the show, sir, and your candid

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i think he cares about uniting the country. that is donald trump's number one focus, and i do think we have to get back to a place after this election, after that decisive victory, what i do think was a gift to the country, get back to a place where ordinary americans who might have voted differently amongst other family members or their colleagues or their neighbors, to be able to get together at the dinner table and say we are still americans at the end of this. >> uniting the country, that is what republicans are claiming president-elect donald trump stands for now that he has won the election. quite a u-turn for the gop after a campaign based on violent rhetoric and retribution, and the dystopian playback that is project 2025. now, here is another trump surrogate today, congressman byron donalds, on cleanup duty,

explaining away trump's own words. >> there is no enemies list. yeah, there are people who have been opposed to him, but he is focused on the american people. that's we have two enemies, we have the outside enemy, and that we have the enemy from within, and the enemy from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous than china, russia, and all these countries. >> joining me now is msnbc political analyst tim miller, also the writer at large at the ball work. and ameshia cross, a democratic strategist and former obama campaign adviser. it is great to have both of you with us. tim, i spoke to former trump campaign operative, i want to play some of what you said about transplants for revenge, i will get your thoughts on the other side, watch. >> there are actually lists that are being made, different lists, like there is a personal list where i am on top with michael cohen, there is a media list where rachel maddow -- msnbc is on top.

there is the oj list where you have people like jack smith that is going to be on top. i mean, they have actual lists of people that they are going to go after. >> again, this is someone who worked intimately with trump for years. i asked them specifically about if you knew that you said you know it from people yet spoken to. you've got congressman donalds out here claiming there is no enemies list. your thoughts? >> yeah, with respect, i don't think either of them have any idea what donald trump the plans are for the doj, and so, i think we are going to have to wait and see and be vigilant i think there is something that we do know, which is that their definition of uniting the country is just submitting to what maga wants. i mean, uniting the country from vivek's perspective is that you're liberal and needs to be nicer to you now at thanksgiving if you voted for donald trump. and that's -- you know, that is putting the onus on the left to unite.

that is not saying they are going to do anything to unite. i didn't hear anything in those clips about how donald trump is planning on bringing akim jeffries to the table and see how we can meet in the middle on issues, and how he wants to give an olive branch out to the never trumpers. donald trump is not actually doing anything tonight the country, he is just demanding that people get in line. so, needless to say, that is not really the way to unite. >> what you make of that, ameisha, do you think this idea of uniting the country, just empty rhetoric by republicans at this point? and certainly by trump who has a long history of dangerous and violent rhetoric that spans years. >> absolutely. you know, at the end of the day, donald trump has billed his name, his brand, multiple political campaign cycles on distance, on creating aggression towards individuals that he did not like, people who he felt were against him,

against the courts, against political parties, against the media, against various people of color groups. we have seen this time and time again. i think in this case, he is also the winner of the messaging war, and he continues to do that over and over again, and all of his acolytes are out here, acting as though none of what you said before matters today, even though what you said before was literally the night before the election. i think we are in a very different place in america, and i think he is reading this, he is reading the exit polls, he is reading some of the demographic shifts, he is reading that as full-fledged support of him, full-fledged support of project 2025, and he is going to take that playbook and do with it as he will. and it is unfortunate, particularly for black people across this country, who by and large did support the harris campaign and the biden campaign before that as well, because at the end of the day, we are going to walk into one of the strongest anti-civil rights presidencies that this nation has ever seen, in addition to several violations of the very structure of democracy that this nation sits on.

we have to be very real about what this is, and now it is no longer a threat, the man is president-elect. >> tim, what you mean by vigilant, what does that vigilance look like when you are checking what the trump administration does in terms of retribution or revenge? it is not going to be as clear- cut, maybe it will be, but i suspect it is probably going to be more subtle and in more insidious ways. >> look, i mean, we have to obviously rely on journalists doing the work to monitor what is happening in the administration, lawyers doing the work to challenge what happens within the administration. i guess what i mean with vigilance is, you know, at this point, unfortunately, we are here, where donald trump has been elected a second time. and so, just being outraged like a hair on fire aspect towards the things that are coming out of his mouth or the things that are coming out of the mouth of some of his surrogates, of these empty threats, of people like mike

davis saying i am going to throw many a son in the gulags. we don't know. i think the right thing to do right now is to focus on their actions, focus on who they are appointing, focus on what the plans are that they have in place, and to do what is possible to deter the worst potential actions that they have through the legal or political means necessary. so, i guess that's what i mean. >> ameisha, what you make of what democrats should be doing in this moment, i mean, to pick up on tim's point about the vigilance part of it, what is the posture of both civil society in this country and the democratic party and members of congress going forward? >> well, we have already seen at the white house to be taken by trump, we saw the senate be taken by the republican party, while the republicans are very much planning on also pushing towards what may happen with the house in just a few days as well, having all of that makes it a lot harder for democrats

and that vigilance. particularly as we have seen growth of [ inaudible ] in the courts. with that being said, one of the ways we are watching some democrats tried to move forward is with safeguarding their states. we have seen it from governor pritzker in illinois, we have seen it from the governor of california gavin newsom, we are seeing more democratic governance tried to employ methods that protect the civil rights, equity, and other provisions across the state from what could be the strong arm of the trump administration and his future appointees. with that being said, i take the man at his word. donald trump is going to do what donald trump said he was going to do. when it comes to removing protections for people of color, eliminating [ inaudible ], trying his best to get rid of the department of education, we are going to see some major changes when it comes to environmental protections, lgbtq rights, you name it, up to and including what is considered roundups of undocumented immigrants. that is something he said he was going to do on day one, that is something i think that unfortunately, there are not enough governors in this country who are going to stand, like

the governor of california, like the governor of illinois, in terms of protecting these individuals and their rights. >> ameshia cross, tim miller, it is a conversation i'm sure we are going to be having over the next months and years as we see what unfolds in a trump residency, thank you to both of you. next up, transit mass deportation plan and what activists are doing to prevent it. and next hour, the mayor of dearborn, michigan on lessons learned in his city and his state on election day. >> [ music ] >> [ music ] still have symptoms from moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's disease after a tnf blocker like humira or remicade? put them in check with rinvoq. rinvoq works differently and it's a once-daily pill. when symptoms tried to take control, i got rapid relief with rinvoq. check. when flares tried to slow me down, i got lasting steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when my doctor saw damage, rinvoq helped visibly reduce damage of the intestinal lining. check. rapid symptom relief. lasting, steroid-free remission. and visibly reduced damage.

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donald trump ran on a promise of the largest mass deportation of immigrants in this country. and after his presidential win this week, his allies are ready to make good on that promise. watch. >> american people delivered a resounding victory for president trump, and it gives him a mandate to govern as he campaigned, to deliver on the promises that he made, which include on day one launching the largest mass deportation

operation of illegal immigrants that kamala harris has allowed into this country. >> there have been about half 1 million people in our country let in who are convicted of crimes. 14,000 convicted of murder. those people are going to go home immediately. >> the mass deportation plan needs to be an immediate focus of the house and senate. >> it will be a humane operation where it is a necessary mass deportation operation. >> the now, to this day, immigrants are still reeling from the devastating impacts of trumps xenophobic follow policies during his first term. escrow family separation policy resulted in more than 5000 children being stripped away from their parents with no tracking process or records that could help reunite them. in 2018, the devastating images and sounds like this propublica recording of children who had just been separated from their parents were so damaging that trump was forced to abandon the policy. >> [ crying ] mommy.

>> in 2021, the biden administration launched a family reunification task force that has made significant progress in bringing them back together, but they estimate that more than 1000 families still have not been reunited with politico spoke to someone named angelina, who was just eight years old when border patrol officials forcibly took her away from her father after an arduous journey from guatemala. now she says he will do much worse than he did to us. this time around, trump and his allies plan to reimplement indiscriminate workplace raids, create massive detention camps, and use a round-the-clock deportation flight. trump said this week there is no price tag when it comes to these plans, but of course there is. a mass deportation of 1 million people per year could cost 88 alien dollars annually, according to the american immigration council, and there

are an estimated 11 million undocumented people in this country. so, i'm just going to let you do that math. but trump and his allies will also try to use an 18th century law called the alien enemies act to expel immigrants without due process. this law is supposed to be used to deport people from countries that the united states is currently at war with, and as a troubling past. according to the brennan center for justice, it was used three times to justify internment camps of people of japanese, german, and italian descent. trumps anti-immigrant plans also include restoring the muslim ban, ending birthright citizenship, reviewing immigration programs like temporary protected status, and reviving "remain in mexico," another policy that left thousands of vulnerable migrants and asylum-seekers waiting for the court hearings in border towns. now, none of this should come as a surprise. for nearly a decade, trump and his allies, anti-immigrant

once, racist ones, and the policies have become synonymous with the maga agenda, and that is before we even learned about project 2025. so, immigration rights groups and advocates on the ground have been preparing for that fight. the national immigration law center says we cannot and will not retreat, we successfully fought donald trump before and we will do it again. i will discuss this more with my panel after this short break. fter this short break. sounds like you need to vaporize that cold. dayquil vapocool? it's dayquil plus a rush of vicks vapors. ♪ vapocooooool ♪ woah. dayquil vapocool. the vaporizing daytime, coughing, aching, stuffy head, power through your day, medicine. known for creating memories.

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out president-elect trumps anti- immigration plans, including his promise of mass deportations on day one. this as many immigrant families are still reeling from his xenophobic policies during his first term. with me now to talk about the fight ahead, immigration advocate astrid silva, she is also the founder of dream big nevada. and jean guerrero, contributing opinion writer at the new york times. she is also the author of hatemonger. it is great to have both of you with us. jean, i will start with you, he wrote the book on trumps key immigration architect stephen miller, someone who has become even more prominent this second time around on the campaign, he is expected to serve in a senior role again during this administration, and he has made his intentions clear, using federal powers to implement the most spectacular crackdown -- migration crackdown. how concerned are you about the damage they will cause this time around? of course, we all remember stephen miller at msg saying

america is for americans only. >> yes, i am very concerned. many trump supporters have this mistaken idea that trump plans to focus on criminals or people who are undocumented. his main issue is actually with illegal immigration, based on his own statements.. he is targeting people who were born elsewhere, regardless of their legal status. some of the plans to do this include not only the mass deportation operation, but also an executive order that would end birthright citizenship they plan to revive a d naturalization task force that would strip people of citizenship. they plan to build massive and militarized detention centers, in which they would place legal immigrants, based on -- if they

revive the alien enemies act, they will be able to put illegal immigrants there, based on the countries they are from. they would deport the dreamers, countless americans would likely be deported, simply because they are latino or racially profiled as an immigrant and this may sound hyperbolic, but it has happened before. in the 1950s, many u.s. citizens, including my own great uncle, were deported under that operation. and today, it would be far worse in consequences, because there are more than 22 million people in the united states that live in mixed status households. that includes at least one undocumented person, u.s. citizens being cardholders, and deporting these individuals who are contributing to our society in 1 million different ways would make his first family separation policy look restrained, and i think it is important to note, this would be economically devastating to this country, and highly detrimental to our gdp. which could suffer about seven

percentage points, a click -- according to nonpartisan research on this subject. >> astrid, what have you been hearing from immigrant families in nevada, how are they preparing and how are they feeling? >> more than anything, there is a lot of fear. i think the reality is for those of us who have been working during the 45th administration, we know these are not just rumors, these are not things that may happen, these are things that have happened to many of the families we have already been working with. we received so many calls, messages, just all kinds of folks reaching out to us. we are already preparing workshops. we have had them ongoing in the past, but now are more than ever important about their children's custody. what happens to their home? many of us are homeowners. but for me, i can tell you, even just being here, i know the risk that i am taking that at one point in those 72 days when inaugoration comes, what happens to people like me? what will happen to all of the

families that have been vocal in the past? the fear is very big, ayman, and i don't think people understand just how desperate families are for information, for that support that they feel will be ultimately needed. >> jean, during the trumps first run to the white house, he promised building a border wall that no one has ever seen before, he said mexico is going to pay for it, that obviously did not happen. he didn't meet those promises. under his first administration, only 50 miles of new border wall structure was actually added and the use of u.s. taxpayer dollars to do it. could you see a similar scenario happened this time around where trump doesn't fulfill his big promise? and if so, why not? >> no, i think they are prepared this time around. they have stated they plan to place a loyalists in the ministration, so they will not run into the same problems they did during the first administration, and they're going to streamline all of these plans, and i have absolutely no doubt in my mind that they are going to be able

to accomplish a lot of this if we don't see resistance, and i think that resistance is going to fall on people with the privilege of citizenship to fight back. that includes putting your bodies on the line when there are raids in your neighborhood, when ice comes for your neighbor. it includes donating to immigrant rights groups across the country that are organizing to defend immigrants from deportation. and it is going to fall on states like california to heed the resistance, and residents of california to put pressure on their elected officials to hold the line and not cave to pressure when trump does what he is saying he is going to do, which is to take federal funding away from states and police departments that refuse to comply with his mass deportations, so it is critical for every person to stand up and resist. >> let me ask you finally, massachusetts governor maura healey said she would not cooperate with the mass deportation orders. california governor gavin

newsom also said he would work to protect immigrant families. can states actually do that? how key it will state and local leaders be as a line of defense? nevada senator jacky rosen, who just won re-election, is also made clear her intentions to protect undocumented families in this country. >> this is going to be vital. i know for us, even just watching your assignment earlier , a congressman talking about what he was talking about, century cities, he wouldn't say the word. we do not need that type of faltering. we need elected officials who are going to come out and say they're going to protect us. not just on party lines. i hope that many of the moderate republicans, republicans who know that this is not the way to move the united states forward, those democrats who are often feeling a little bit behind, we need them to be as strong as they can possibly be, because it will come to line, as jean said, where i will not be able to speak up for myself.

we are literally going to have our voices taken away, because as each one of us gets louder, we will be silenced and we will need united states citizens to step up. they will need to be the ones who are fighting for us, because people always think we are chemicals, they say they're just going to get rid of the people who are murderers and all these different things. no, we are the people that work for you, where the people that work side-by-side with you, we are the parents of your kids' classmate that you just went to their birthday party last week, that's who we are. >> astrid silva, jean barrera, thank you so much for joining us, i know this is going to be a very scary time for a lot of families, and as astrid was saying, it is going to be something we are all going to have to fight against together, thank you so much for joining us. another hour of ayman starts after a quick break, don't go anywhere. on't go anywhere. martwatch. and it detects three of the most common arrhythmias in just 30 seconds, including atrial fibrillation, bradycardia and tachycardia. check your heart with the most advanced personal ekg outside the hospital. get yours at kardia.com or amazon. ♪♪