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this sunday morning edition. joe, a lot to start the hour off with. >> love to start with, jen's latest piece for axios. democrat just lose badly. they lost their convicted criminal, they ridicule a threat to democracy. they didn't just lose to trump, they lost the senate. the house. both southern swing states everyone the bluest of states and city, even the bluest of states and cities. requires deep, honest self- reflection and entirely new leadership. it seems to me you're taking a bit rosier view of the democratic party than most. talk about it.

>> listen, it was a terrible election first for democrats for sure. like any autopsy requires a doctor. to look at the data and where they did worse. or even in cities where they did worse and not realize it was a pretty, the good thing about democrats is to say listen, we live in a 50/50 country. but they feel lost. they don't feel like they have an obvious leader to lead them out of the wilderness. it's going to be a years long project to figure out why are republicans cutting into the working class. why are democrats turning to republicans. why are the younger moving

toward trump. and that's a lot to unpack and until you look at it clinically and clear eyed. you're not going to come to the conclusion of how do you affix what you have. >> any thoughts jim to what you heard. the good news is, this isn't an fdr 55-45 nation. or a reagan you know 49 state sweep. it is at the end of the day you take the three blue wall states that would have elected harris. you have kamala harris within a couple of points in michigan. not a landslide there but my gosh you did worse than 48. worse than 48 of the 50 states. they got routed by 13 points or so in florida. 13, 14 points or so in texas. in texas they were getting closer and closer over the past 50 years to actually making

that race competitive. nothing, nothing there. so what, what are you hearing from democrats mainly. is there any sort of consensus in these early days? >> i don't think there's any consensus and there rarely is this close to an election. i think you would have hit close to it. the redemption probably exists why are they doing well with governors in michigan and pennsylvania. why are these senate candidates win where harris could not win. find out what's difference about their politics and the politics you see in washington. they know. we're now 20 years into this trend where whatever we give people they want something different. there's always this sort of anti ruling class backlash. so presumably in the off year elections or the next presidential election, they should do better. but if we've been talking about this a lot on the show for the

last year, there's been a siren ringing. why were hispanics moving toward the republican party. why are the bernie sanders crowd suddenly attracted to trump. it's hard to have just really rich educated people in cities loving you. you have to have more. you have to be able to appeal to working class voters who are worried about inflation and economic topics. so someone will emerge at some point to be able to lead them out of the promise land but there's not an obvious figure. i don't think barack and michelle obama want to lead a revival of the party. and obama can't run again. they have to find the figures to lead them. jeffreys probably going to be

the biggest democrat by virtue of the position. probably one of those governors you mentioned. >> jim was talking about the back and forth nature of american politics. we've been doing this a little while. i have done this before, i want to do it again. again just for people who are thinking, they always seem to think that the election that was most recently held is the end of history. we've seen it time and time again. i just want to go over this again. in 2004 republicans won. declared a permanent majority. two years later, nancy pelosi was elected the first woman speaker of the house. democrats took charge. 2008, barack obama is elected under hope and change. and democrats are talking about a permanent sweeping majority.

two years later, the tea party comes in. and they are in charge. could not be more different than barack obama and all the people who won in 2008. that was in 2010. 2012, barack obama gets reelected. 2014, republicans take charge of the senate. 2016, trump is elected. 2017, republicans lose. 2018, republicans lose. 2019 republicans lose, 2020, joe biden elected president. 22 democrats hold off the red wave. 24, the red wave comes. so, there is a back and forth and back and forth and this whole idea that this is somehow the end of history. we heard it when bush got elected when barack obama got elected. it's just not.

but the democrats have serious serious problems. there's just not not going to come back by gravity. they have serious serious problems. they lost a great number of latino voters. they lost a great number of black men. they lost young voters in numbers that they just is shocking to them they voted for them two years ago. four years ago. asian-americans broke away from them. 48 of 50 states broke against democrats. and some of those states like i said, texas, florida, pennsylvania is moving that way with 40 registrations. if democrats don't do something fast, pennsylvania is going to be gone four years from now. and winning an election is going to seem more narrow. so where do they have to go if

they want to run a race against the next republican nominee. >> it's a difficult week. elections are to find out who your neighbors are. we have polls and all these other things but not until you have 800,000 people voting to learn who lives around you. >> we'll have much more of morning joe ahead. hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a ranch ...in montana ...with horses let's take a look at those scenarios. j.p. morgan wealth management has advisors in chase branches and tools,

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americans at least who's minds weren't firmly made up will surely abandon trump now. there was a limit to the cruelty. and that thought was wrong. because there's stubborns, miscomprehension. they're costing americans greatly. they did not look at all of trump's horrid messages. those of us who get hourly updates, have nightly freak outs and can hold forth on trump and the shark trump and hanibel elector and trump and

windmills aren't normal. but we are arrogant. we see our knowledge ambient. no people are busy, people are distracted, theme are cynical. they tine out most of this political drama because they regard it as theater or performance. whether it's trump's connections or harris' kumbaya. so what then forms their impressions and drives their decisions. they're responding in significant measure to the state of the world around them. rather it's to their liking and whom they hold responsible for it. that was harris' affliction. the price of food. the illusiveness of homeownership. and the fact that she had been the number two figure in the administration in charge of the country for the past four years. the obvious boring nature of the diagnosis didn't make it

any less fatal. another behind spot. the belief that seeming moments matter more than ongoing conditions. sure democrats had an expertly choreographed conventions. harris had a great debate and trump had a miserable one. then came his garden state debacle. but while treating those stories as turning points, it smudged the big picture. which is about satisfaction with and confidence in the count country's direction. survey after survey showed americans were fearful and intensely pessimestic. not even an endorsement by taylor swift could make it go away. i think that was searingly

correct in many ways. your thoughts. >> i think he's bringing to something. voters make a difference about what offends then and what affects them. and many of them may have been offended by trump's comments. many of us were offended but it wasn't what affected them. what affected them is the fact that the rents had gone 40%. beef is up 45%. milk is up 25%. particularly the rent because many of us own our homes and we don't feel the shock, the inflation shock that produces. the other fact that it's worth democrats read it. it's not to let the party off the hook. it has to go through this postmortum. of all the 10, the big elections that have taken place around this world this year, the ten incumbent leaders of the major economy that voted this year they were all thrown out of office. and that's the first time in

120 years that happened. there's a postcovid shock to the world. particularly on the issue of inflation. and incumbents just couldn't survive that wave. and maybe biden should have dropped out a year earlier, maybe that i have should have had a process, but maybe that wouldn't have made a different. it's likely this wave went right around the world. there's 10 elections around the world and not one incumbent survived it. it may start with examination. >> i want to go to something said earlier on the show. you're kind of on the leading edge of where the politics is

going. how does media need to think about getting information. a lot of the voters that went out and voted for donald trump. so many people are wondering what happened. the trump campaign found those voters where they live. so how do democrattings need democrats need to reach voters. >> i think we all had to come to grips legacy media isn't as great as they think it is. it is to you, to me. there's a small number of people who rely on us for their information. you have to go into the world as it is not as you wish it to be. basically the way people get information has shattered into 20, 30 different pieces. if you just look at the numbers, joe rogan is more important than any of us. he just has a much bigger hyper connected audience that listens to his every word. so maybe listen to joe rogan and try to understand what is

he talking about. what are the guests he has on. what are the issues they care about. realize that the gravity of right wing discourse is now taking place on x. it's not fox. x is what matters. elon musk i wrote about this yesterday, now the most important person in the country. he has the president in his ear. he's going to be the head of a new organization that will gut organizations. and now he happens to be the most powerful platform on the right. in politics downstream for information. it's a whole new information ecosystem out there. so for us, for you, for democrats. for republicans you have to understand that you now have to

navigate 20 to 30 different parts of the eco system if you want to connect with the american people who vote. coming up, what donald trump's return to the white house means for the rest of the world. retired four star navy admiral james travitas says nato will likely survive trump but at a cost. you're watching morning joe, we'll be right back. with fasen, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. step back out there with fasenra. ask your doctor if it's right for you. (♪♪)

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the center piece. i think it'll be some where in the middle really. what i mean by that is team trump is going to put pressure on the europeans to increase their defense spending and they should. team trump is also going to demand more support for ukraines from the europeans. i think team trump would like to get out of the business of dolling out money to ukraine. those are going to be the pressure points in the conversation. what i hope is the trump organization will see the value of nato. it has a big defense budget. second largest in the world. u.s. defense budget largest, collective european is the second largest. also these are allies who have stood with us. democracy, freedom. we're going to need nato allies

not only in russia but if we want to bring down the houthis. >> richard, ukraine came up here. what is the mood in kyiv over the last 36 hours? >> dire. bad. depressed. there's a realization that the war as they've known it has changed now. i think the war that we've seen for the last three years, which has been in different phases is now entering a different phase. the first phase in the world there's a shock that ukraine was able to defend himself to

zelenskyy. the key held. then there was the counter offensive. in the last two and a half year, it's been a dead lock trench warfare, along the east, along the south with losses on each side. it's been exhausting, it's causing more on both sides. is that phase over? is ukraine now going to be forced to sign some sort of peace deal. which ukraine doesn't want to do because it would be in an unfavorable term. giving up part of the country to putin. that's something zelenskyy has said he doesn't want to do. he wants to win. and he's been told with biden, you're going win. we are going to be with you. victory is what you're going to get. instead now i think the realization is settling in. that they're not going to get victory. they're going to get an end to

the war at some stage in which they have to give up 20%. then the ukrainians are asking. we give up 20% but what's our guarantee that russia is not going to come back in the next day. they are willing to give up territory. if they have nato. if they have huge amount of defensive weapons. if they can defend themselves otherwise they say, we've just given up 20%. a week later, a year later, two years later, putin comes back and takes 20% or 30% or more. >> the biden administration is going to try to rush as much equipment will continue to. we know trump is a skeptic

about giving ukraine any weapons. and we know that the trump administration has a relationship with israel. >> the whole family does. he wants to take the abraham accords. they're the trump middle east politics. kushner was spear heading it. building an alliance between israel and other nations. they want to include saudi arabia. but netanyahu has also said he wants to take the abraham accords and turn them into the abraham military alliance. against iran. he's already doing it to the degree that he's launched a war against hamas in gaza. he's launched a war against lebanon. the next logical step would be more intense military action potentially regime change level

action against iran. he said that he wants to do this. he gave a speech in front of congress and got, standing ovations on every line from the maga crowd saying we need to have a military alliance. we need to make this accord alliance against iran. i think he's going to pursue that and i think he believes that now with trump he can do that. i would expect that military action. more extensive military under netanyahu with trump's blessing i would say and support. >> coming up, steve ratner is charting the key economic issues that drove voters to the ballot box. he joins us when morning joe weekends comes back.

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c1 so according to nbc news polling, the economy was one of the main issues on voters minds as they cast their mind on tuesday. joining us, morning joe economic analyst steve retner. steve, you are looking at the metrics that fueled trump's win. let's start with the issue of income. what did the numbers tell you? >> of course, this is at the heart of the matter for almost every american. what is my purchasing power. how much can i buy. what's happening to my standard of living. let me tell you what happened over the last decade or so.

if you go back to 2014, these are all inflation adjustment incomes. this is what you have after inflation. income rose fairly steadily at about a rate of 1.3% all the way through the trump administration. now at one point 3% may not sound like a big number but that's after inflation. that's more money that you have to spend. ignore this, this is a covid distortion. during the biden administration you can see they actually went down for a while. that was a big burst of inflation that we had. lately they've been coming back. when all is said and done they were basically flat for this series. and this bothers americans. they feel it was everyone worse because they don't really see this number, these charts exactly. but they don't feel this and they don't quite feel this. and they feel like inflation is what's hurting them. we just have to put that out there. >> so steve, let's continue

through the charts. so talk about the disconnect between how well americans economy is doing. we hear it all the time. america's envy of the world. every world leader says they would love to change, trade places with the united states. the u.s. dollar an all all, moving toward an all time high. the stock market at an all time high. s & p at an all time high, talk about the other all economy and in working class economy that drove the election in donald trump's election. >> yes, as we talked on the show as recently as last week, the economy is doing great. low unemployment and inflation coming down. let's talk about how it affects the average american.

we have this huge right track, wrong track is the american dream. 90% of young americans would by the age of 35, 30 that is, make more money than their parents. it just continues to go down and down and down and down now you're down here at 50%. only 50% of american parents should believe or will find that their son or daughter is making as much or more as they're making at the age of 30. that's not the american dream. the american dream is obviously, each generation is supposed to do better than the one before. >> ben, your final chart steve is about industrial wages falling behind. tell us about it. >> actually before i do that. can i do my middle chart. because it's in the same theme of what happens. >> oh, okay.

>> in all the income coming equality that we have in this country over the last 20 years has led to some very different outcomes. if you're a white child born in the bottom 26 percentile. now we're back to the famous white working class. if you were born in 1978, versus being born in 1992, on an inpolice station basis. a child born in 1992, had 6% less income after inflation all that. at the age of 30. than at the age of 27 rather than a child born back here in 1978. so children are, and this cohort of a white working class, making less and less and less each birth year that they have. in contrast, the people at the top, they've actually been making a bit more for each child more. so you have a situation where children of white working class parents are making less each child year after year as they're born completely the opposite at the top. so let's also compare

millennials to baby boomers. i'm a baby boomer and you see what their different situation is. if you talk about homeownership, nearly 62% of baby boomers own a home. 49% of millennials own a home at the same age of 35. millennials worse off. if you look at the network, bankrupt, 50% of millennials are bankrupt at 35. but the top 10% of millennials actually had more wealth than the baby boomers. so you had a huge wealth inequality among millennials. these are all reasons people feel the american dream isn't what it was supposed to be. up next, presidential

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>> the budding coalition that donald trump put together -fpt again, i would suggest not because of the things he said and the horrible statements that he said. and the anti democratic proauthoritarian statements he said. but people were trying to get away from democratic elitists. >> right my thoughts exactly. >> the coalition they put together. i am still thinking it's friday so i'm speaking slower today. >> i'm just agreeing. >> was a working class coalition across racial lines. i remember reading a beautiful book written about bobby

kennedy after the assassination. and as that train went from new york down to washington, d.c. and people waving, blocked people on one side of the tracks waving flags. white people on the other side of the track waving flags. as that train went past they turned around and went their separate ways and there has not been an election where they came together and voted again. now let's not overstate donald trump support amongst white voters. and hispanic voters did come together with the working class. donald trump has in 2024 put together a working class coalition of white working class voters and working class voters of people of color. and that is something if the democratic party does not think that is something they need, to

get under the hood of a right now, today, this morning. then they are clueless. >> yes i totally agree with that. you know what's bebeginning to remind me joe. you were showing the map of blue democratic areas that won on tuesday versus the red ones. look where the blue areas are. the democrats are in danger of becoming a regional coastal party. you know the so called blue wall states well they didn't prove to be a blue wall on tuesday. so you have states along the west coast, states along the east coast, coupled in northern midwest. and the democrats concede everything else and say, we're going to essentially let that go because we're not going to be connected. so the result of that is that every single presidential election now becomes what it did on tuesday. a democratic presidential candidate having to thread the needle of making sure he or she

seizes the few potentially democratic states after you lose one or two and there was more than that on tuesday. the democrats are locked out. i'm not going to go so far as to say it's like the 1920s but you know, you group up in the south not in the 1920s but in 1920s the democratic party was a small, white, racist, regional party that was centered on the south. it was fdr in 1936 that was able to expand that coalition to the cities to bring in black voters. black voters before the 1930s were not democratic. those were the white racists. whether we like donald trump or don't like donald trump, or approve of everything he says. you have to give him credit for what he did on tuesday. >> absolutely. >> just the red wave which was a potential realignment. a movement that could last into the future. and the other thing is you combine that with his ambition

to be the strongest president in american history. plus, owning both houses of congress. how many times did we all say, before tuesday there was probably at least the prospect of the democrats would control the house if there was a trump victory. >> so you have, i don't want to say owning the supreme court but certainly a friendly compliant supreme court. 1/3 of which he appointed and with a plan to use the defense and justice department and other federal agencies to create more presidential power in the white house than we've seen in two centuries. >> that's what we're facing and anyone who neglects this is ignoring reality. >> sure, trump won. and that's how to engage

americans and especially young americans in civic duty. something isn't of national service might be to extreme. something that brings young people together to work toward a common goal. i think young people are fractured and lonely as is. but if you bring people together forward a higher goal that is around the concept of freedom and democracy. that process, to participate in the process of being a part of a democracy and understanding how fragile it is. i think would help a lot in the future because i don't think people were thinking about that in this election and that may be something we're thinking a lot about in the next couple of years. >> it's important and we're about to see for the next four years what that potentially looks like. but i think, to site congressman torrez again. his explanation and postmortum was people are struggling to

pay their rent. people are frustrated that they can't get what they need. aren't worried about the grand concept of democracy. that's a very, very real sentiment. and they're on tiktok and whether it's teenagers and don donald trump is a super star. and he's funny and they saw a clip of something he said. i'm not defending it, i'm saying that's what's happening online. and bernie sanders said, it shouldn't have come at no surprise that the party that

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80 years. the book titled "american heros" counters the battleground from world war ii to the war in afghanistan. the book's coauthor. james patterson and retired army first sergeant matt everson. this is their second book together. the first "walk in my combat boots" two stories from the bravest was leased in 2021. i thank you so much for being here. matt, tell us a little bit about the genesis of this book. and your own experiences in combat skwr-sz that's a good question. this is jim's idea. how do we tell the stories of sons and daughters. over the years it progressed off to american hero. and johnson combat is such a unique experience. i mean, it's tense, it's scary. and it all erupts and it's so

unbelievably overwhelming. you find yourself in this moment where i have to take action. then you realize it's not enough. but these guys and gals do. they do that the next best thing. that's what we tell nick. >> i said how close are you for that movie. the actual sergeantment sergeant. i said how close are you he said this close, this close. >> tell us the challenges of that experience. which is unlike like you said about anything else with human experience. hold -- how do you translate that. >> you know we talk, you guys do baseball you have the dodgers and yankees. we have kansas city with, the best day ohtani ever had. the most special day. two home runs, pitched a home run. it does not compare with any in

terms of heroic action. or just the extraordinary moving part of these stories. and you know, john, the thing is interesting that these men and women are the self-deprocating to a fault. >> he put the grenade in his pocket and he lived. with stories like that, one guy, helicopter won't come in to pick up the wounded and he ran out into the field. he said if i can stand here you can land here. >> so how did you choose who to highlight in this book and tell us one or two other stories.

>> we were thankful for help from the congressional medal of honor society. to give living recipients their medal of honor. then it was asking friends and friends of friends. and spread a wide net. and i tell you, these stories, you know one is as good as the next. it's almost like the editing piece. thankfully i didn't have to do, not to say who makes the cut. they were all amazing. one i have to highlight, ranger. he's the only interview of all the books we've done that we did in person. unfortunately colonel pocket passed away before the book. he's the first korean war medal of honor recipient.

he fought the chinese army. wounded in action. tells everybody to get off the hill. leave me here while he's in fire. thankfully his rangers disobeyed his orders and came back to take him off the hill. >> right now that's what we need. >> the important new book american heros is on sale now. thank you both very much. >> that does it for this hour. we'll be back here tomorrow to kick off a brand new week of morning joe. until then enjoy the rest of your weekend.