good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. from loyalist to lawmakers, businessmen to bomb throwers, the rush is on to grab a spot in donald trump's new administration. the latest on who is in, who is out and who trump is listening to as he rolls out his high-profile decisions. plus, the president-elect positioning himself to be king maker in the race to be republican senator majority leader. his new demand and how it could set the tone for congress for years to come. and the battle over an abortion law date to go before the civil war. will wisconsin enforce a ban from 1849? we have the latest on the arguments happening today. but we begin with the trump transition. thousands of decisions to make in just 69 days and pressure building on all sides. president-elect trump is already tapping hardliners and loyalists to help him deliver on campaign promises, including the return of one of the most controversial

and divisive figures from his first term, stephen miller. nbc news has learned that miller, a key architect of trump's hard line immigration policies is expected to be trump's deputy chief of staff for policy. he will likely work with another new pick, tom homan, who trump has chosen to be his border czar. spearheading what may end up being the largest deportation effort the u.s. has ever seen. before the announcement yesterday homan was pressed on how exactly he would go about deporting millions of people. >> it's going to be a well-targeted planned operation conducted led by the men and women of i.c.e., this he do this daily. they are good at it. they know what they can and cannot do illegally. when we go out there we're going to know who we are looking for, most likely know where they're going to be and this will be done in a humane manner. i keep reading stories about concentration camps. these people will be well taken

care of. it will be a humane operation but it's a necessary mass deportation operation. >> another big decision, republican house member elise stefanik, trump's pick to be the next u.s. ambassador to the united nations. all of it part of a massive transition operation that will ultimately have to settle on some 4,000 political appointees over the next ten weeks. but trump has not yet submitted a legally-required ethics pledge, promising to avoid conflicts of interest and without that the law says no security clearances, no intelligence sharing, no defense briefings. i want to bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard in west palm beach, juanita tolliver is an msnbc political analyst, matt gorman, helped lead tim scott's presidential campaign. vaughan, give us the big picture here. it's a big job. who has trump's ear and who is helping him make key staff

decisions? >> reporter: elon musk is somebody who we are told by multiple sources has been a frequent presence, a constant presence over the course of the last week at mar-a-lago. a source telling me that on saturday night that donald trump and elon musk were dining together. this for donald trump, though, i think that this is key. this is donald trump's transition and this is going to be his administration. we learned from four years ago the fact that donald trump was upset that he did not surround himself by loyalists and those individuals who he had full faith and confidence would carry out the agenda that he wanted to implement. so far what you are seeing is in elise stefanik, in tom homan and in stephen miller, being put into the place of deputy chief of staff or planned to be put in the place of deputy chief of staff you are seeing him set up his administration and staff and cabinet to look like that of the type of campaign that he

surrounded himself by. don jr. of course was key and influential in getting j.d. vance to be picked as his running mate in the first place and right now you are seeing the likes of nikki haley and mike pompeo explicitly told by donald trump in an overnight social media post that they would not be a part of his administration after nikki haley challenged him for the republican nomination and pompeo considered challenging him and instead what you are seeing are these stalwart loyalists who are ready come day one, january 20th, to carry out the agenda that donald trump campaigned on. >> so, juanita, one of the three people trump has appointed so far, the new border czar, tom homan is among the most controversial for sure. then you add stephen miller, what a one-two punch for immigration. homan was asked about carrying out mass deportations back in october and i want to remind people what he said then. >> so you are carrying out a targeted enforcement operation, grandma is in the house, she's

undocumented. does she get arrested, too? >> it depends. let the judge decide. we're going to remove people that the judge has already deported. >> there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families? >> of course there is. families can be deported together. >> but then you also have, juanita, stephen miller who was widely reported to be one of the key people in the family separation policy. he has been reported to have been working on these mass deportation plans for years. so what does it say to anybody who thought, do you know what, trump is all talk here? >> it says that he is clearly about action and he's putting the same people in place who took on those family separation policies that you just mentioned, but also the muslim ban, all of these inhumane policies we have seen before during that trauma and chaos, just like it did in 2017 and 2018.

i do think that when you have someone like tom homan there saying, oh, we're going to do this humanly but then deport the entire family, it just shows that there's clearly, clearly a tone and approach that donald trump is planning to take. he said this is a top priority from day one. he said that there is no limit on spending related to these mass deportations and so i think anyone who was in a family or friends with immigrants of mixed immigration status, this is a massive red flag for them. and i know that advocates are already trying to prepare in terms of legal arguments because homan there mentioned the courts. that is probably going to be the avenue to push back against these plans from donald trump. >> and they want to be able to sell this, obviously, matt. there was an interesting nugget in that "wall street journal" article that says they're reviewing people's tv interviews to see how adept they are at pushing out trump's message. i wonder as we see these very early days of his administration

starting to form, what do you see? >> i mean, look, i think you're seeing some like elise stefanik who has been by his side for close of to a decade, she's probably getting her choice of posts. you want to reward the people no matter what party you are and the harris campaign would have done this, too, you reward the people who are closest to you, but from the beginning, with their choice. as we've got to go in this process i bet you will hear from secretary of defense nominees, long time trump allies as we get close. the best way to put this, the trump campaign i think rightly believes they won a mandate with this election. over 50% popular vote victory, sweeping the swing states, so they're going to govern the way they campaigned, especially when it comes to immigration and the economy. that's just the reality of this. and i think that's going to inform their view going forward. >> so, juanita, what do

democrats do to prepare? there's been a lot of conversations, finger pointing, analysis, but are you hearing about any actions? any real plans that are being made? or given the overwhelming vote, given the mandate that donald trump has and it looks as though he will have control certainly of the senate, but potentially of the house, what do democrats do? >> i think at the state level what i'm seeing and hearing is that advocates, especially immigration rights advocates, are trying to prepare themselves with similar legal practices that they took out in 2017 and 2018 to combat actions from the trump administration. the line that struck me most in the reporting was that the constitution doesn't just disappear. and i think advocates are saying that in terms of trump's plans to potentially deploy the national guard, for example, to do these mass deportations, which they are aiming for, what, a million plus per year, which is, i think, a tenfold increase.

so i think that the courses -- courts is where the democrats are look to go battle it out with donald trump. when it comes to congress you better believe that the republican senators and the republicans in the house if they are to secure the house are ready and willing to do donald trump's bidding. so that's something that i think is going to help democrats really get back in line in terms of a strategy that is focused on helping individuals versus pointing and blaming one another in the fallout of this campaign. >> vaughan, let me ask you again about the team that's been assembled there where you are and there was a lot of criticism obviously in 2016 that the transition was very slow to get up and running, if you talked to people from the outgoing obama administration they will say at the behest of their boss they offered every possible help they could give, it was largely rejected. how does this transition team and its preparations compare to what happened in 2016?

>> reporter: remarkably different. i mean, in 2016 it was chris christie who was running the 2016 transition operation and he was fired two days after donald trump won the presidency. they all but started from scratch. there were folks coming up and down the trump tower escalator, pretty much everybody in the book from kanye west on down was making their way to the trump tower to meet with donald trump. this go around for the last four years there were a litany of individuals, more than 100 plus, who have all but been preparing for a would be second trump administration. there were dozens of staffers that created this organization, america first policy institute, that organization was comprised of staffers from -- as well as former cabinet officials -- from across trump's first administration who began working at this nonprofit organization, they began developing more than 200 executive orders that the former president would be able to sign on day one.

they created white papers, not only on policy, but also how departments and agencies can be better efficiently run in order to advance their policy agenda. of course, there was project 2025 which was the heritage foundation led, but there were dozens of other conservative organizations that were part of it that created a more than 700-page paper, a document, a book on, again, how to run each agency and department. tom homan, for example, who has now been tapped to be the border czar was one of those co-authors of the book, but you also had the likes of stephen miller, a contributor project 2025 who j.d. vance acknowledged is going to come on board expected to be a deputy chief of staff type role here. there were folks that were around donald trump on his campaign and now transition team who had been preparing for this moment in a way that they were able to learn from the first administration so that there would be more effectively prepared to actually legislate

but also use the powers of the executive branch to fulfill the trump agenda come january 2025. >> matt, better prepared doesn't mean typical or traditional, right? one of the ways that i mentioned in which they are not traditional is so far they have not signed this ethics pledge. there was a watchdog group that followed donald trump's administration from 2016 to 2020 and found 3,400 conflicts of interest that they enumerated throughout those four years. are they just not going to sign it? what do you make of the fact that the most simple things that have always been the most simple things, you sign a conflict of interest pledge, haven't been done yet? >> i'm not sure. you know, i feel like they will get that sorted out and at the end of the day the president controls in essence who can get the clearances and who can't so that i think will happen. i think broadly you had a shotgun marriage in 2016-2017

with people kind of coming in vaughan's point, they didn't know trump. they've been dating for about ten years now. you're getting people now who have relationships with trump not just at the agency level but senator marco rubio, for instance, and others who know him. there will be a different class of people coming in at this level that i think will help them govern in a way that as i said will fulfill that mandate that he got from the american people last tuesday. >> vaughn hillyard, matt gorman, juanita tolliver, great talking to you all on this monday. in 90 seconds, will donald trump target his critics when he retakes office? new msnbc reporting about how trump's legal allies could set the stage for investigations of his adversaries. the stage for i his adversaries. i'm adding downy unstopables to my wash. now i'll be smelling fresh all day long. [sniff] still fresh. still fresh! ♪♪ with downy unstopables, you just toss, wash, wow. for all-day freshness.

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anybody. >> except for day one. i love this guy, he says you're not going to be a dictator. i said, no, other than day one. we're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. after that i'm not a dictator. >> "the new york times" also reports that the president-elect is being pulled in opposite directions by his advisers. some encouraging him to go after his political foes, others encouraging him to focus on policy instead. ken dilanian is our justice and intelligence correspondent. peter nicholas is senior white house reporter for nbc news digital, and harry litman is a former u.s. attorney who served as deputy assistant attorney general in the clinton administration. great to have all of you here. ken, you've been reporting that some of trump's top legal allies including one seen as his potential attorney general, they're calling for the doj to begin prosecuting his adversaries. tell us more about this. >> yeah, that's right. chris, the tension you described as "new york times" reported on within the transition team was described to us as a battle

between the normees and the crazies. the people we are talking about would disagree with that characterization. we focused on a couple lawyers, one named mike davis, he is a very conservative, a bomb throwing provocateur who used to clench for justice gorsuch. he has been out there publicly saying that donald trump should prosecute people like the attorney general tish james and jack smith, the special counsel, that his justice department should do that. he's articulating which crimes they should be prosecuted for and he is making no bones about that. the other person we talked about is mark paoletta the former general counsel for the office of management and budget in donald trump's first term and he has been out there not specifically advocating the doj should prosecute individuals but he is justifying the idea that the president can order the justice department to investigate and prosecute specific cases. so he's laying the legal groundwork.

that would violate five decades of norms post watergate which said that the justice department should be independent from the president, that the president should never say go investigate that person. these people are suggesting that donald trump should be able to do that with his justice department and as a legal matter they're right. we are talking about norms here, not laws. these post-watergate strictures. it's raising a lot of questions and getting a lot of people very nervous. the one thing i would say is we should wait and see exactly who gets appointed to these roles and what exactly they're going to do because, you know, it's very easy for people to throw rhetorical bombs at this stage of the game, we will have to see exactly what happens, chris. >> we will see whether the norms versus crazies shakes out in any predictable way, harry, but obviously it's not just mark paoletta and mike davis, a lot of names out there. as someone who has been deputy assistant attorney general, give us your view what do names like these tell you. >> well, especially as ken says with what paoletta is now

enunciation, he really is laying the groundwork and i think it will be laid by january 20th to have trump interfere in individual prosecutions. that for any alum of doj, republican, democratic administration, doesn't matter, is absolutely a third rail that could never happen and yet i think it's quite clear that they are preparing to do it. and trump has been adamant, including on the campaign trail, that he would use it to go after particular folks. i think it's true as ken says we don't know how robust this will be, but people like tish james, people like jack smith are involved in current battles with the president that he will want to try to squash if he can. so i think it would be foolish to assume that this won't happen. they're already laying the groundwork for it and i think we will see it executed in at least a few instances of prosecutions

against political enemies, even in the absence of any meritorious charges. >> in fact, peter, you report on some of the nervousness among trump's vocal critics, some of whom he is referred to them as the enemy within. tell us more about that. >> well, there are people who are quite concerned. they've listened to trump's rhetoric, they've been publicly critical of trump and some are consulting with lawyers looking for advice about how to protect themselves. we've talked to people who say there are plans afoot to leave the country. until they have a better idea of what trump intends to do. trump could do a lot. i mean, shorter prosecutions, for example, his administration could strip people of their security used by former government employees to obtain jobs, to get contracts. they're important to their livelihoods and trump could take them away.

he has vast powers as commander in chief and chief executive and many ways he could target people for reprisal. he has said different things on this subject. there are times when he has said that success would be his revenge and there are other times where he's been -- he's described the enemy within in reference to congresswoman nancy pelosi, congressman adam schiff, you know, so he has -- it depends on what you believe and how you construe his statements, but people are quite concerned heading into this -- these uncharted waters. >> we're hearing different things from people, harry, who are in the general circle of donald trump and yesterday congressman jim jordan was asked about the potential for trump to seek retribution. here is what he said. >> what you are saying is that all of the times that president trump said so many things about people that he promised that he would go after them and prosecute them, you are going to encourage him not to do that? >> well, all i know is what he

didn't do. >> i know, but we are -- >> lock her up, talking about his opponent in 2016 secretary clinton, talk about lock her up, he didn't do that. but the democrats went after him. >> i'm talking about donald trump's second term. going forward. since then he has said many, many times -- >> i don't think any of that's going to happen because we are the party who is against political prosecution. >> harry, peter just point this had out, you know, from the enemy within to my revenge will be success, but i wonder what kinds of conversations might be going on now within doj from people who are i'm sure anxious and waiting and wondering what the impact will be on them and their ability to do their jobs if they keep their jobs. >> totally. and that's a whole different aspect of the potential reign of terror that people are afraid of. there are individual prosecutions against some folks and i would just add that he's going to cede the department and there will be people in congress with people who will encourage

both his -- to have these powers and to exercise them, a whole different problem, though, is the career staff, the kind of crown jewel of the doj will be forced to -- notwithstanding their oath -- to try to be -- make their first priority loyalty to donald trump, and that just eviscerates what they came there for. so we're not talking necessarily about people who have to lawyer up, though it's a really important point. you can make somebody spend a lot of money, ruin their lives, short of criminal prosecutions, but we are talking about a whole staff that thinks this is not going to be the department of justice i signed on to. i don't want to be here anymore and i'm even afraid to be here. i can tell you personally those conversations are happening in the corners at the water coolers, outside the doj and they're proliferating every day. >> i've mentioned this before on this show but to your point the georgia secretary of state had

to fight what turned out to be a specious lawsuit against him and it cost him half a million dollars out of his pocket. there are not a lot of people i'm guessing at doj who have that kind of money laying around. gentlemen, thank you so much. and coming up, how will a future president trump handle the war in the middle east? we're live in saudi arabia where world leaders are holding an emergency summit. here world leaders are holding an emergency summit ♪ like a relentless weed, moderate to severe ulcerative colitis symptoms can keep coming back. start to break away from uc with tremfya... with rapid relief at 4 weeks. emergency summit. emergency summit at one year, many people experienced remission... and some saw 100% visible healing of their intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections may occur. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms or if you need a vaccine.

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president-elect trump will likely inherit a chaotic situation in the middle east and the early signs are he will be closely coordinating with israel about whatever comes next. prime minister netanyahu says he's already talked to trump three times since the election. for right now, though, the biden administration is demanding israel dramatically increase the flow of aid into gaza. by this coming wednesday. or risk having military assistance withheld. nbc chief international correspondent keir simmons joins us from riyadh, saudi arabia, where leaders from across the arab world are holding an emergency summit today. why this summit, keir, and how has trump's return to power changed the conversations about the middle east that are being had right now? >> reporter: well, it's hanging over this summit of 80 arab and islamic country leaders here in riyadh in saudi arabia, chris. what also is really impactful is

that the iranians are here, in saudi arabia. anyone who knows the history of this region will know about the an tag michl between saudi arabia and iran, the long-standing antagonism. just listen to this the crown prince of saudi arabia, right at the beginning of this judgment. he said we call on the international community to compel israel to respect the sovereignty of our sister country, iran. our sister country iran. that's the crown prince of saudi arabia speaking there. now, you will know that those comments come just as the world braces for the potential for iran to retaliate against israel, israel having retaliated against iran. i do know that saudi officials are very worried that in this period before the inauguration that there could be an escalation between those two countries. so i think one of the things the saudis are doing is trying to deescalate but it's also a really changed picture, a picture of diplomacy between two

rivals, iran and saudi arabia, that just wasn't the case the last time president-elect trump was president. the world has really changed. another way in which it has changed, chris, is being underscored here, is these 80 countries in support of gaza, in support of lebanon, the foreign minister of saudi arabia, at the end of the summit, talking about there have been to be is two-state solution, about israel -- condemning israel's actions in gaza, for example. now, whether you agree with that or not, what it does show is that what's happened in the past year is these countries have been pushed closer together. that is the kind of world that president-elect trump is going to inherit and he says he's going to bring peace. it's a real challenge. >> yeah, and tomorrow the israeli president, herzog, is going to be meeting with president biden and i wonder if there's any sense there. obviously joe biden is a lame

duck president, but is there a feeling that he still has some influence, that there's anything at all he can do between now and the inauguration to deescalate the situation? >> reporter: well, i think he's going to try and get peace himself. i mean, that's what he's been trying to do for a long time and i think that's what he will try to do again because inevitably president biden will want that to be on his record. whether he can achieve that is a different question because all around the world leaders are looking for ways in which they can give president-elect trump prizes, if you like. i mean, it is as simple as that. that's the kind of transactional diplomacy that countries have been useful, they what president-elect trump is like, they saw him in his first administration, they know that's how you operate around him and that's what they will be looking to do. but there's another point here, too, and it's a really interesting one, which is there are reports of debate within iran about whether they could do a deal with president-elect

trump. now, that seems far-fetched and certainly there will be many republicans who will be opposed to that, but it is an example of the way the world is being shaken up by this vote. the question of course is will the world be shaken up in a way that is positive ultimately or is damaging in the long run and that's a question you can't answer at this stage. >> keir simmons, thank you. still to come, donald trump dropping a new demand right in the middle of the race for senate majority leader. more on the power struggle on the hill. leader more on the power struggle on the hill meet the traveling trio. the thrill seeker. the soul searcher. and - ahoy! it's the explorer! each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect.

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donald trump plowing himself into the middle of the race for senate majority leader just two days before republicans vote. the president-elect dropping this demand, any republican seeking the coveted leadership position, he wrote, must agree to let him make appointments, even when the senate isn't in session. those kind of recess appointments, by the way, were expressly limited by the supreme court when barack obama was president. joining me now jake sherman co-founder of punchbowl news and an msnbc political contributor. okay. jake, you're going to have some fun over the next couple of months. donald trump may not get a vote in in race, but fair to say no one is more influential. you could make that argument. what's going on behind the scenes as you know it? >> listen, this is a -- trump has not made an endorsement

explicitly, chris, he has made these -- this one demand and some of his allies are backing rick scott. let's just talk about the substance for a second. recess appointments as you noted have been limited and also the chamber needs to go into -- needs to adjourn and go into recess, which means that is subject to a vote, subject to a filibuster, subject to a whole host of legislative maneuvers, also has to do with the house of representatives. so there is a lot of -- there is a lot of mechanics that trump might not be focused on here and also on top of that he has 53 seats. he can do whatever -- he can appoint whoever he wants to appoint. he doesn't need to recess appoint people. i don't quite understand where he's coming from here. that's number one. number two, it's going to be very interesting. i mean, it does appear that some of his allies are behind rick scott. remember, this is a secret ballot election between rick scott, john thune and john cornyn. the winner needs 27 votes at the

end of the day, that would be the -- and it's -- there's no floor vote like the house of representatives has with speaker. this is a purely partisan vote behind closed doors, it always has been, and there is some truth to the fact that senators don't like the pressure, they don't like to be told who to vote for, but we can't discount the fact at all that donald trump has a mandate to govern. he has the house, he has the senate, he convincingly won the presidency. so if trump were to endorse rick scott it would probably have an effect on this race. now, i've been told by advisers to trump that he doesn't want to get involved with the race, he doesn't know that he could win, which is understandable and also generally speaking, again, very difficult to say this with donald trump, but generally speaking presidents of both parties tend to leave these kinds of things to lawmakers to figure out on their own. >> is anybody listening to elon musk who ran his own poll on x about all this have?

>> sure. yes. i mean, i don't know that they're paying attention to this poll, which is, i mean, a million people voted in it so -- but it's mostly people who are followers of musk, but you have to -- i mean, listen, i will say this from a broad perspective, chris, we have to listen to elon musk because he's close to donald trump, period. there's a whole set of people who we could otherwise ignore who are now in positions of power and influence because of this election. elon musk is one of those people. again, people need to get comfortable with the fact you have to cover the government you have, not the government that you might want. and i'm not saying that for myself, i'm saying that for everybody. elon musk has tremendous influence, he spent more than $100 million on donald trump's campaign, he was with the president at mar-a-lago, he's someone that we need to pay attention to. >> let me ask you about something that is going to be happening, senators elect invited to the capitol this week

for that leadership vote that we talked about but pennsylvania republican david mccormick isn't on chuck schumer's guest list. that race has not yet been called by nbc news and some republican senators are not happy about schumer, they're threatening to escort mccormick into the building anyway. what's the status of all of that? and why is this so important? >> well, i would imagine that dave mccormick will be in washington for this closed party vote. i don't see any reason why he wouldn't from republicans' perspective. now, the senate as an constitution runs its own orientation and with the race not called senator schumer is giving his long-time colleague, bob casey a little bit of room to maneuver. why is it important? it's important because the new congress starts in about two months. people need time to set up their offices. and for the leadership races, people who are elected want a say on who their leader is going

to be. all indications at this point seem to be pointing to dave mccormick being the next senator from pennsylvania. he will want a say in the leadership of his party and he will need to for the senator from pennsylvania and every other state need to set up their office. it's crucially important to get the right people in place. >> jake sherman, sleep all you can. that's my advice that you don't need. >> i'm not sure i can right now. i'm not sure. >> sleep when you die. okay. thank you, jake. coming up next, can a 175-year-old abortion law be enforced today? and the road to ruin, the warnings from the world's biggest climate summit as wildfires torch both u.s. coasts. a live report on damages from new jersey and california next hour. m new jersey and california next hour

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while the medical professionals who are charged with taking care of them are forced to stand idly by. >> joining me is donna edwards and lisa rubin. we heard one side of that argument. give us the broader picture and what this might mean for abortion in the state. >> i want to make clear to you and our viewers what today's argument is not about. we have seen a number of challenges to zombie statutes like this, very, very old statutes that predate roe versus wade, that prohibit abortion or make them a felony on the ground of state constitutional rights. that's not what this is. there is a challenge like that in wisconsin and there hasn't been oral argument or a ruling yet. what today was about is about two different argument or ruli yet. today was about two statutes. another one from 1949 that allows abortion up to the point that a fetus can survive by itself outside the womb. the wisconsin attorney general josh call taking a position that that 1985 statute essentially

means that the 1849 prohibition can't stand, that it's been superceded by a later law. the district attorney that you just pictured there taking the opposite position that the 1849 law forbidding all abortion and making it a felony should be the one that takes effect. >> so congresswoman, we saw abortion measures pass in seven out of ten states last week, including red state where is democrats lost. what do you make of the strategy of republicans in wisconsin, but do you think this is an example of what we're going to continue to see? >> well, i do think that we're going to continue to see these challenges take place at the state level. this was the design, after all, and, you know, fortunately i think in some states, voters, when they've had the opportunity on the ballot, they have largely said no to restricting abortion rights, notably in arizona and missouri. voters actually turned back those restrictions.

but this is going to happen state by state, and i do expect that in wisconsin that the liberal majority in wisconsin is going to find that these two statutory provisions do not apply to wisconsin women. but this is going to be a challenge going forward, and now who knows what that means in terms of what's going to happen in the transition of this new federal government. >> there's that, and also, and i should have looked this up before we did this segment, lisa, there was a point at which there were far mar lawsuits than there are states in the union regarding abortion. after dobbs, after the fall of roe. it looks like even on a state by state basis, this is going to be a long haul. >> it's definitely going to be a look haul. one of the things we're going to see in a future trump administration is whether or not there's an appetite to enforce the comstock act, an existing

federal statute that prohibits sending abortion pills through the bill. it's an original intent, but interpreted by conservatives to allow that. the biden administration has not enforced it, nor have others. there's a drive to start applying that in the conservative legal movement. if that's what happens from a new department of justice, new department of health and human services, what happens to these states that say on their own we have state allow abortion as a state constitutional right or a matter of state statute. that's the next legal right, over federal supremacy, over states rights. >> it's an interesting one, from i guess i guess, what you would call a politically interested study, donna, because, yes, donald trump has a mandate. we have said that multiple times in this hour, but a lot of republicans also recognize that in seven out of the ten states that voted on it in a time when donald trump won, including states that donald trump won, abortion rights continued to be

protected, and abortion is, in most instances, all across the united states supported. abortion rights, reproductive rights are supported. what do you do as a republican, yes, you have -- there are people on the right in the legal community, and religious community who want further restrictions, but what do you do if you're donald trump and his administration, is it worth your time? >> look, i think there are going to be a lot of pressures on donald trump and throughout this administration. look, we're still looking at what appointments are going to come to the food and drug administration. >> yeah. >> that gives executive authority over what happens with -- with abortion access drugs. we're still looking at appointments at the hhs. so there's a lot of wiggle room that the administration has and that donald trump has when it comes to controlling women's lives. we have not seen the end of this

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