themselves. they got up and began to fight. in 1896 when became the law of the land. they cried and were angry, got up and fight. in 1965 when was killed one year after the brown decision, they cried, were hurt and got up and fought. september 1963 when children were killed in a church, they cried and were hurt. they got up and fought. we have to have that same kind of tenacity in this moment. nothing else can be our reality. we cannot settle. we have to cry, grieve and get up and fight. this fight is in the states this time. state-based building from the bottom. >> indeed. bishop william barber, thank you so much, good brother. that is tonight's reidout. insight with jen psaki starts now.

it has been just about one week since the election and i know that you are all still digesting the and processing that. it will take time and you should take your time doing that. meanwhile, there is a lot happening in washington. donald trump's second term starts to take shape and we will talk about all of that tonight and what it means for all of us, because it is important for you to know and the most important guardrails might be. those guardrails might be democratic governors and we will talk to one of them. massachusetts governor has some experience governing during the trump term and we will talk to her in a few minutes. it could be lawyers must we will talk to one of the best in the country or to those guardrails could be members of congress, so he will talk to one of them, too. we'll talk to congressman later in the show. i want to start with a look at the people that trump is choosing to serve in his

administration right now. the tell us a lot about what his second shot at the white house could look like. the knowledge of who they are and their intentions is really important as we all figure out the path forward. today, trumped tapped his former acting vice director and he is expected to name immigration stephen miller whose get out the vote message was to both the end of the invasion. that guy is going to take over the role of deputy chief of staff for policy. those are two people who clearly have made very abundantly clear that they have every intention of taking the most aggressive and inhumane approach to immigration policy possible. while you have probably heard a lot over the years about stephen miller, you probably haven't heard as much about tom homan. i want to give insight into who he is. this is a guy who backed trump 's zero-tolerance immigration policy, which resulted in thousands of families being

separated at the southern border. he is a contributor to project 25's mandate for leadership, the 900 page bigoted blueprint to overhaul the federal government online. he said a few months ago that migrants quote, ain't seen yet. wait until 2025. that is his goal and not mine. he said this in an interview in 60 minutes right before the election. >> is there a way to mass deportation without separating families? >> of course there is. families can be deported together. >> tom homan and stephen miller are two in the growing cast of pretty scary characters. trump is adding to his inner circle. moments ago, we learned that the selective congressman to be his national security adviser and not a senate job. he is a trump loyalist and election denier and nato critic who echoes trump's skepticism about supporting ukraine. early today, u.n. ambassador and she is a maga loyalist who

will fill the job that nikki haley had during the first trump administration. the guy rumored to be in the running for cia or fbi director is cache patel. even though the administration full of loyalists, he was exceptional in his devotion. find a mentor. this really tells us something about trump's vision of a second term because of what they all have in common. they're all loyalists and maga devotees and people who were carry out his wildest wishes without a second thought. beyond that, these people share his king lake view that executive power should be limitless. you remember the kinds of things that stephen miller had to say at the beginning of his first term? we do. are the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. >> his power will not be questioned. just to recap the situation in

washington, d.c. piece by piece , we are watching trump hire a fiercely loyal staff who review the power of presidency as unlimited, republican senate and have a republican house of representatives. all of that is scary and i'm starting to be direct about it, but what it means is that one of the last best checks for democrats will be in states where there are democratic governors. one week after the election, we are hearing from some of them. california governor said that his state is ready to fight and he called for a special legislative session to devote resources to counter republican policies around immigration, the environment, lgbtq+ rights and reproductive care. new york governor convened a team of experts to protect her state from policy threats. illinois governor promised that if you come for my people, you come through me. phil murphy said in a response about mass deportations, if it's contrary to our values, we

will fight to the death. massachusetts governor had this to say to our own lawrence o'donnell last week. >> if the trump administration requested, would the massachusetts state police assist in mass deportations? >> absolutely not. >> now, the brand-new borders tom homan seems to respond to democratic governors on foxnews just this morning. take a listen. >> some of these democratic governors say that they will stand in the way and will make it hard for us. a suggestion, if you are not going to help, get out of the way. >> get out of the way. he hasn't even started yet. first of all, sorry and that's not how government works. second of all, he might be talking to the wrong governor. sue trump nearly 100 times as the attorney general during the first trump term and took immediate action during the legal battle over the pill in the wake of dobbs. during this time during this

term, she is once again ready to hold the line. joining me now is a democratic governor of massachusetts. great to see you, governor. there is so much i want to get to, but you are one of the governors i just outlined with a lot of experience to governing during a trump presidency. i played the sound from tom homan who announces the new borders. governors like you that there mass deportation to get out of the way. that is his quote. he talked a lot and i was sitting on set when you talked to lawrence o'donnell about the tools in the toolbox and how you are ready to fight back. i get this question a lot. what exactly can a governor like you do to stop actions like mass deportation? >> well, good evening. let me say, happy veterans day to all out there. >> happy veterans day. >> i started at a veterans service and it's an important time to recognize those who have served and those serving now.

i will tell you how i see it. it is interesting, the comments or soon to be ice director. he is right about one thing. federal immigration enforcement is the job of federal authorities. as governor, i agree with that and that is the case. it is up to the new trump administration and federal authorities to figure out how they are going to implement and what they will implement when it comes to immigration enforcement. as a governor and i think this is if you share by both democratic governors and republican governors, what we hope the president-elect prioritizes is fixing the border. he had an opportunity to do that a year ago, but instead he blew that up and it looked like a bipartisan deal was ready to be signed. that really needs to happen. we need reform and agents. we need more resources, so as a

governor of the state, i have no immigration enforcement authority. i hope that there is paid. i also see more broadly, the job of governors and where elect to to serve our citizens in massachusetts i'm focused on delivering for the things that my residence care about. they want to see costs, affordable housing, access to healthcare and education. we also are a state where many laws and protections are already enshrined in law. our constitution, for example, which protects clean air and water. we have laws that are strong when it comes to protecting against discrimination and ensuring that women have access to abortion and reproductive health care. as governor, i will make sure that i defend the rights and freedoms that people in massachusetts are entitled to under the law, which includes the face of any attempted federal overreach, but i will also stay focused on things

that matter to sit in since here, which is the things that i just outlined. >> i am so grateful for you to raising how it's veterans day. dreadful for the veterans who have served and i know you have any things to focus on. i wanted to ask you about this, because it is front and center. if the estimates are right, you tell me, there are 250,000 undocumented immigrants in our state. you can tell me if that's not the right number. i imagine that many of them are legitimately afraid of what might happen if they look at you as this fierce and strong governor not afraid to fight back and you are not overseeing federal enforcement, but i guess the question is, is there anything that can be done? what you tell them when they ask you about these repeated commitments to mass deportations? >> i think we've got to see what the president-elect trump actually does. it's one thing to make promises and statements during the course of the campaign, but it's another thing to actually

operationalize and implement. with respect to the issue of immigration, this really is a federal issue that cries out for a solution on the border. i certainly have as a civil rights attorney and also as a former attorney general, and clear about the need to protect people's rights in the state. i think what people in massachusetts are looking for are sensible commonsense ways forward. not vilification and not scaring people. it just depends. we have students here and we have families here. some who have been here for decades. they may not be here lawfully. i don't know what the president will do for the impact of that on the economy. as i say, i will stay steady and focused on my job, which is to lower costs and i cut taxes last year and we are building housing. i will sign a great economic bill shortly.

yes, in the face of any federal act, including the president or has his administration, which interferes with states rights when it comes to protecting abortion and access to public education, access to healthcare . it will certainly stand up and fight against that. i imagine you see governors in other states doing the same, if that were to happen to them. >> let me ask you about something else that you did that i thought was pretty bold and courageous. i know a lot were appreciated of it. you directed about the stockpile after the the approval for the drug last year. they did protect against the draft, but something you are thinking about and stockpiling more or taking other steps given that we don't know where it will head. we don't want to scare people, but i knew you and others are preparing for what could happen and what trump and his administration might want to try to do.

>> this is a good example. i was very concerned as the case was pending before the supreme court that we were going to see access to medication abortion taken away in the country. i want to do everything i could to protect women in massachusetts, healthcare providers in massachusetts. yes, we stockpile medication abortion, so that we have supply at the ready. of course, the court ended up not taking that away. we want to be ready. that is how i operate as governor and i'm proud to be able to be part of signing it into law, a law that will protect abortion and healthcare, women's healthcare providers from liability. americans everywhere and in massachusetts, one thing is clear and it's in our constitution. women are entitled to abortion care and healthcare that they need.

as governor, i will absolutely do everything in my power to make sure they have that access. it's to see so many states and so many people vote for the reproductive freedom in their own states. >> seven states, including one that tells you a lot about abortion rights in the country. you know how much you have on your plate. happy veterans day and thank you for taking the time to join us this evening. coming up, with donald trump's return to power, about to be tested in ways that it has never been before. we will talk about that and prepare for it. we will see what happens. she joins me in 60 seconds. 't . e starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left and right. and so did our business needs. the chase ink card made it easy. when you go for something big like this, your kids see that.

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>> he also promised to sign an executive order to end birthright citizenship in the united states. can he do that via executive order? >> no, last i checked, the president cannot override the 14th amendment is as clear as day that there is no way that he can do that. if he tries that, he will lose in court every day of the week. >> few people know the law better. he is 100% correct about the law. since birthright citizenship was enshrined in the constitution with the 14th amendment, all government regardless of the party in power have consistently concluded that it applies to children born on u.s. soil, as citizens and migrants alike. even trump appointed judge, member of the fifth circuit court of appeals whose opinions have been too extreme for the conservative justices on the supreme court to defend birthright citizenship back in

2006", text and history confirm that the citizenship clause reaches all persons who are subject to u.s. jurisdiction and laws, regardless of race or alienage. that was then. today, that very same judge who wrote that put a new loophole that will be music to trump's ears. in an interview with reason magazine quote, birthright citizenship obviously doesn't apply in case of war or invasion. that's quite a broad definition. joining me now is sherrilyn ifill , former president and director counsel of the naacp legal defense fund and is now the chair at howard university. it is so great to see you. i ran into last week and it's always great to see you and hear your talk. he was pretty confident that trump's executive order to bend birthright citizenship openly goes against the constitution and that wanted i assume you would agree with that.

the rebuttal i have seen to that is essentially that it hasn't stopped right-wing courts before with loopholes being flooded. there was one from the judge that migrants aren't migrants, but instead foreign invaders. what you make of the power? i don't want to scare anyone, but i want people to be very clear about what's happening here and what people will try to do over the next couple of years. what do you make of that? how do you think the judiciary could analyze this with trump and his administration? >> i think you are asking the right question and thanks for having me on. absolutely right. the first line of the 14th amendment is that every person born or naturalized in the united states is the citizen of the united states and in the state where they reside. the language couldn't be clearer and it's unequivocal. birthright citizenship was created and ratified to ensure that black people both free and newly freed would be citizens

after the decision and end the civil war. that is who it was intended for. tens of millions of americans and families have benefited from birthright citizenship, including waves of european immigrants and the 20th century. there has been this continuous call by those on the right. to talk about birthright citizenship as though it is a policy choice rather than a constitutional imperative. you are seeing more of that here with trump believing that he could buy executive order and send it away. i think he knows anything those around him know that an executive order cannot trump a constitutional provision. what he is counting on is the investment that those on the extremist right have made in the federal courts, including the supreme court. what they are hoping is what you are describing as a loophole, which would be

reinterpreted by the supreme court. the court has been clear in the past, more than 100 years ago, which is the loophole was really meant to do with the children of diplomats who are assigned in this country and those children who are born here are not citizens, because the diplomats are not subject to the jurisdiction of the u.s. this has nothing to do with migrants who are born in the country, but the invasion language is the important part. this is the effort to do this nasty naturalization that trump's right-hand alkali stephen miller has talked about predicting naturalization is a process that can happen if there has been willful misleading or some fraud or other criminal activity that made someone not eligible for naturalization who was naturalized, but it is used in time of war and it's not used in time of peace. because there is a loophole in the statute, the 1798 alien

enemies act, which talks about invasion or predatory incursion , that is what they had been building up to. that is the reason for the migrant talk and the reason about eating the pets. all of this has been about laying the foundation to get the supreme court to see the migrants coming from central america and south america to see that as an invasion of some kind or a kind of predatory act . there will be an effort to talk about gangs, which goes back to colorado. this is why he said he will start his process in aurora in the effort to suggest that gangs have taken over apartment buildings. this is all an effort to lay the foundation for the concept that we are somehow being invaded by migrants and you heard them use that language. this is a predatory incursion. i would love to be able to tell you that the supreme court would reject out of hand.

i want to tell you that, but frankly i can't. i would just recall for people that the most famous use of the alien enemies act was the japanese internment. the korematsu decision was overturned in the court of history. there is no such thing as a court of history. i think that we should worry and i think we should be concerned. i know that the american civil liberties union and other organizations are ready and have been preparing it for years , because they take it very seriously and i think it will be the effort to try to get this up to the supreme court and hope that the supreme court will step far out of line and far away from history and tradition of birthright citizenship and make effort to read the alien enemies act in a way that was clearly not intended by congress. this is all part of the effort of this administration and incoming administration to show itself to be more powerful than the constitution. the only way

that they can do that is with the acquiescence of our federal courts and united states supreme court, so everything that trump says he's planning to do really is a test for our courts and the supreme court. i think all of us given what's happened in the past few years have reason to be concerned. thank you for that and making amazing explanation. it's important to be informed and hopefully these don't happen, but let's be informed. this is obviously one of the areas in which donald trump is trying to test the system and i want to ask you another, because right now he is demanding that republican senators who want to be majority leader, the election is a senate ballot and is this week. it is basically way. for presidents to bypass congress and get their people in place is a process that has been used in the past and it looks like he will also have a fairly comfortable majority in the senate, but i know this caught your attention and i don't want anything to slip by

for people to understand. why did it catch your attention and is something that you are concerned about? >> once again, if you pointed out, it looks like he will have a comfortable majority in the senate to be able to get his cabinet confirmed. that's not good enough for him. what he doesn't one is to go through the process of confirmation hearings in which democratic senators will have a chance to expose the inadequacies and extremism of some of the nominees that he is planning to put in the cabinet. what he wants is to have the positions filled by recess appointments, which are temporary for a year and they are usually used after someone has been in the process for a long time and the senate is in a logjam. these preemptive efforts to install cabinet members by recess appointments, this is a trump feature and this is because he does not want that exposure of the kind of people

that he's going to nominate. what he wants is to deflect against the constitutional order. the constitutional order is that the president nominates and the senate has the power to confirm. that is a power that the senate holds as part of the constitution. trump is placing himself above the constitution. this is the ultimate authoritarian moved to say, i am more important and powerful than this document than you already are and the more that he gets away with it, the more he hopes to those around him. already, he has made this a condition for anybody wanting to be senate majority leader. of course, he has his right hand person elon musk helping him with this. this is a dangerous move and it's designed to make us believe that he is the ultimate authority. >> i never thought about the piece about not having them question, which is such an important point of confirmation processes. thank you so much. it's great to see you joining us. coming up, donald trump's

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jim jordan are gearing up to deliver for their boss, donald trump. he sent a letter to special counsel after the election last week demanding that smith preserve all records related to his prosecutions of trump. now, a notice of like that is towards congressional investigation. when asked about yesterday, he did not rule out calling on smith to testify and i think we can guess where this may be headed. when it comes to trump's intentions, jordan insisted that he doesn't think the incoming president will try to prosecute his perceived enmities enemies. now, that would be a welcome surprise if that happened, but you listen to people like mike davis, conservative lawyer and close ally of trent 18. listen to letitia james who won a massive civil adjustment just earlier this year. >> let me say this to the new york attorney general. i dare you to try to continue your l'affaire against

president trump. listen here, sweetheart. we are not messing around this time and we will put your fat in prison for conspiracy against rights. >> first of all, he seems like someone you want to bring home to mom, doesn't he? that same gentlemanly fellow has reportedly been flooded for the job of attorney general and we will see. trump has said publicly that he wants him to serve in a very high capacity regardless of what that is but we should be ready to believe his own words what he promises an agenda of so-called retribution. the word is in this context. retribution applies that they were wrong to do so and they most certainly were not. joining me now is someone in congress who will have a big role. democratic congressman of new york who sits on the house of judiciary committee.

let me start with jim jordan. he's pretending that we all have not watched the last eight years transpire, but what are you and other democrats in the committee preparing for? this is part of what you are doing in terms of the possibility of law enforcement officials like letitia james, jack smith or others being called to testify. >> first, it is an absolute disgrace that donald trump seems like he's going to escape accountability for his federal cases because of the doj policy . the doj cannot prosecute a sitting president. this was very clearly what trump's primary goal was in running for president, which was to evade the accountability. we have seen indications from jack smith that he will do that. it does not mean that we should not get a full accounting of the conduct, including in a report. i agree that we should know everything about this

investigation. we should know whether or not there was any coordination with the attorney general or president biden. this was the by the department of justice that prosecuted hunter biden. this notion of l'affaire or weaponization is pure projection and total bunk. i agree. i think congress's role is to understand everything about the special counsel investigations of donald trump. i do hope the chairman jordan goes forward with the investigation. >> i have talked to a lot on the show and i'm not sure that i heard you agree with jim jordan, but this is a time for that and it does feel like you may have slightly different objectives here in terms of what you want to get down to the bottom of with jack smith but my bet is that he's a pretty effective person during a hearing. you may get to the bottom of what actually happened and really clear up an absurd

conspiracy theory. could it backfire? there might be stuff that he doesn't want out there. >> they have made all sorts of allegations, jim jordan and donald trump. a purely politicized investigation and just to get donald trump the political opponent of joe biden. once the special counsel's investigation is over, there is no reason for the special counsel or department of justice to withhold information from congress. it is incumbent upon congress to get that information. that is what they did with special counsel durum. that is what they did with robert mueller, robert her. this is how it has become come to work in congress, which is what our role is. our role should be to get to the bottom to hold the

department of justice accountable. whatever the facts are. if there is weaponization and partisan efforts to get donald trump, then we should know about it. if there weren't, we should also know about it. >> a lot of the appointed officials and nominated officials in the department of justice are about to be out of office in the next, of months. are there others who would like to testify before congress? >> i will tell you that i'm eager for all of them to testify. it is to actually to get to the bottom of the allegations. they have made numerous allegations that are not supported at this point by any evidence. as he would do with allegations, you investigate them. the way to investigate them would be to call witnesses to

get documents, so that we can uncover whether or not there is any legitimacy to these allegations or whether or not they just like to make those allegations and not investigate them, because we saw what happened with the impeachment investigation. once they start to investigate them, they all came crumbling down. >> when the truth services, it can be awkward. i will call this bipartisanship a week after the election. thank you for joining me and for always being committed to getting to the bottom of the truth. the president-elect has spoke with vladimir putin and the only catch is that the call never happened. i've got some thoughts on that when we come back. with liberty mutual. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates) and then i wake up.

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less than one week since the election, president-elect donald trump is already in contact with his old buddy vladimir putin or is he? a new report in the washington post citing several people familiar with the matter say that they spoke last thursday the report goes on to say this. during the call, trump advised that russian president not to escalate the war and reminded him of washington's sizable military presence in europe. now, the readout is not at all in line with what he has said with russia's war in ukraine.

most experts expect when cutting off aid to ukraine and basically standing by while russia holds onto ukrainian territory. not strengthening our forces in europe. that is one big flag. here is where it gets tricky. they see the call never happened and stores close to ukrainian president, skeptical, too. if things came down to a he said he said, who would know to believe that the president- elect of the other states, of course, but we don't live in a normal world. we know from the first time that he has a history of being less than forthcoming about his conversations. a washington post analysis from 2015 -- 2019 found 16 private conversations between them in trump's first three years in office. the relationship between the leaders is still shrouded in mystery. there was of course the infamous two hour closed door meeting between him and in 2015.

despite efforts from lawmakers and reporters, we still know remarkably little about the conversation and that is because donald trump does not want us to know. in fact, you may remember that trump tried to obscure his conversation from his old administration and this is some from the same story. trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations including at least one occasion taking possession of his own interpreter notes and discussed to not discuss what transpired with other officials. let me tell you, that is not normal behavior from a president of the united states of any party. that particular controversy is after a meeting between the two men at a 20 summit back in 2017. it wasn't an isolated incident, but something similar happened after another into in buenos aires. quote, trump sat down with for several minutes of conversation with no notetaker for the

dialogue between the leaders. head of another g20 summit and this time in japan, trump told reporters that his conversations were quote, none of your business. yes, there is a pattern. you don't need to believe in conspiracies about russia to understand that trump has consistently obscured the nature and extent of his relationship with putin. his phone call that may or may not have happened is the latest example. trump has not even been in his second term and there are already questions about whether and why he is once again leading the american public about his relationship with russia. coming up, congress has never had a pro-choice ob/gyn when kelly gets sworn in. that will change. standing by and joins me in studio next. ohh yeah ♪

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states expand abortion rights and trump won half of the states. wrap your head around that. he is headed back to the white house. they can control the senate and house. now more than ever, democrats will need strong voices for reproductive rights and all sorts of rights in washington. one newly elected member of the house is uniquely qualified. minnesota democrat will be the only ob/gyn in congress when she is one in in january. i am so grateful to see you and i know you are starting orientation tomorrow. thank you for being here. i was surprised to learn that you would be the only pro-choice ob/gyn in congress. that's exciting. how does it feel? how does it feel to be the congressman elect? >> thank you for having me. i'm enormously honored to have been elected to represent minnesota's third district. it is a unique distinction to be the first and only pro-

choice ob/gyn in congress at a moment in our nations history when reproductive freedom is very much under attack. i will have a unique voice to stand up to those attacks. >> i know you ran into a lot of issues, but abortion-rights was front and center. how do you think your issue, background and outspoken approach to that was in your lace? >> and ran for office in the first time in the wake of trump's 2016 election, because i was so concerned as an ob/gyn about healthcare across the country. i do think that it still matters. the decision to overturn roe v. wade as you will know and one in three american women now live under a ban or a severe restriction. it matters a lot, but so did the kitchen table issues. working in bringing down the cost of drugs in minnesota state legislature, because the struggle about the medicine

they need. allows medicare to negotiate the 10 drugs is a big deal and we need to expand the list. that is one area where we can bring down costs for people and also save millions of dollars for the healthcare system. my husband is a veteran and it is veterans day. >> thank you to your husband for his service. >> is a combat veteran and former army ranger. that is a passion of mine and important to our family. it's important that those who sacrificed so much for us have the resources that they need and deserve, so that is some that i hope to tackle in congress, as well. >> you said you look forward to working with republican bipartisanship and this is something that a lot of people in the country and maybe not in this moment, but in general like to hear about. you mentioned about lowering the cost of prescription drugs. you think that there might be opportunity to work with

republicans in the house, but i don't know if you noticed that things get crazy in the house. >> i'm a lifelong democrat who grew up in a republican family. i know good ideas can come from both sides of the aisle and i worked very hard during my time in the minnesota legislature to do that and reach across the aisle. one of the bills i'm proud of and a past 90 bills and money and support, but one is that a past with the help of a very conservative republican legislator to extend health insurance to moms and babies for just 60 days to 12 months postpartum. we disagreed on a lot of things and particularly abortion-rights. we set our differences aside and we both agree that you moms and babies deserve healthcare and we got it done and it's making a difference in people's lives and i'm really proud of that work. there are opportunities to work together and find common ground. >> let me ask you before i let you go. i'm prepared for tomorrow. we have a unique expertise to say the least on abortion

rights you hear well- meaning people state about abortion that you wish as a doctor people would understand? >> that's a great question and it's such a long list and that is one of the challenges we are facing in this moment. there has been so much bad information for so many decades . the law have been passed about procedures that don't even exist and we focus a lot on those very tragic later in pregnancy term and the vast majority of determination happened in the first trimester and more than half are medication abortions, so we talk about the project 2025 and banning mifepristone is a scary prospect for american women and families. this is not just a woman's issue, but a human issue. >> a pleasure talking to you, congressman elect. giving you the full title.

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you have probably heard the phrase, nature is a vacuum. cora back ends, too. who's in charge and who's going to leave the party in 25? it can also be pretty fun to watch those vacuums get filled. josh shapiro is going calls from democratic party leaders earning him to run for president and about 50,000 people in a small donor network and called a special legislative session designed to trump. california and to tout his cabinet accomplishments in a series of events as he winds down his official role. those are just a couple of the

people and not just a little bit of reporting. we are just six days from election and i promise you that i am definitely not saying that we should start the next presidential sweepstakes just yet. everyone needs a break. what i'm saying is this. it will be in dark times and even where people are fearful and we are trying to be informed about what is going to happen. it's incredibly exciting to watch who steps up and many may step up. there are the new sums and shapiro's and whitmer's in west morse and a lot of democratic stars we are to know about. there are the stars out there whose names that we don't know yet. i promise you that they're all out there. we may not pick. you do. that's how democracy works. and i cannot wait to see who you find. that does it for me tonight. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. hi, rachel. >> hey, jen. i love it. onward, forward, the future is very