searching. >> thank you so much. your work changed my life. >> reporter: after a journey spanning five decades and crossing the world, tierney brought her dad to his final resting place. closure for a daughter who vowed never to give up. courtney kuby, nbc news, honolulu, hawaii. >> you know courtney kuby has to cover some of the hardest stuff and tell some of the toughest stories, and i am so glad that she got to bring that one to us tonight on a nights when we are thinking of all of our great veterans and showing our gratitude. thank you so much for your service. servic and on that note i wish you all a very good and a very safe night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news , thanks for staying up late with me. see you at the end of tomorrow.

thank you for joining us this hour and really happy to have you here. the last time donald trump was president of the united states, his secretary of the interior got embroiled in a corruption scandal and was referred to the west department of justice for potential criminal prosecution. the last time donald trump was president, his secretary of transportation also got embroiled in a corruption scandal and was referred to the department of justice for potential criminal prosecution. the last time donald trump was president, his secretary of labor got embroiled in a disgusting scandal involving convicted pedophile jeffrey epstein and a federal judge ruled the labor secretary had broken the law in that scandal and so the labor secretary was referred to the office of professional responsibility of the justice department and ended up resigning in disgrace.

donald trump's secretary of energy resigned in a corruption and ethics scandal. donald trump's head of the epa resigned in a corruption and ethics scandal in the health and human services secretary under donald trump resigned in a corruption and ethics scandal. i mean, any one of these cases is like a teapot dome sized scandal and it used to be if you had one cabinet official involved in a big ethics and corruption scandal that forced them out of a job or lead them to being referred for criminal prosecution, even if you just had one, that would be enough to brand your whole presidency a disgraced and scandal ridden mistake. i mean, warren g harding, what is remembered about the worn jean -- warren g harding case?

had an affair or the teapot dome scandal a corruption scandal resulting in a cabinet official being criminally charged and literally a century after that one scandal involving one cabinet official that is what we remember about that guys presidency because when i just said warren g harding had an affair you don't remember that? you only remember that one scandal because it led to a cabinet official getting in trouble. one cabinet official getting in trouble in that kind of a corruption scandal used to be enough to mar your presidency and brand it alone for century. the first donald trump presidential term had so many cabinet officials forced out of office in disgrace and referred to the justice department to face criminal charges that it's actually hard to remember the mall. of course, just one of the scandals of the trump administration is despite an

unprecedented number of cabinet officials being referred to the justice department for potential prosecution the supposedly independent department of justice under trump decided to bring charges and bring criminal charges against precisely none of them, which is yet another of the trump scandals from the first term. but still. i will also mention one of the more memorable disasters, ethical along these lines of the first trump term was the secretary of veterans affairs. this one may be the most memorable because it happened right at the end. i remember the headline about it on our show block. it was december 10, 2020 so after trump lost reelection to joe biden but before the january six attack on congress and the inauguration and this was the headline. yet another cabinet secretary of trump caught up in scandal is donald trump's presidency comes to an ignominious end, is apparently not too late for one

more cabinet controversy and that one was the secretary of veterans affairs and also like so many of his colleagues in the trump cabinet, he also was referred to the justice department for potential prosecution. and investigation happened and claimed he tried to discredit a veteran who said she had been sexually assaulted at a va facility and the inspector general investigated and found evidence that he seemed to have broken the law and referred him to doj to be prosecuted. of course the justice department of trump didn't prosecute him. they didn't prosecute any of those guys but one of the things that was memorable about his scandal is that more than 20 different veterans groups rose up in outrage against that guy in this were disparate groups and very different takes on the world anybody from the american legion to veterans of america to the veterans of foreign wars

demanding this trump va secretary resign and even a really really conservative pro trump veterans group railed against the sky. for that scandal he was embroiled in and just a disaster. and even up to the bitter and ultimately very violent and to trump's term in office, things are just bad and it was a bad presidential term and not normal to have a half-dozen members of the cabinet referred to potential criminal prosecution for crimes they allegedly committed while serving in the cabinet.. it is not normal. that is the kind of thing that gets you listed repeatedly as the worst or among the worst ever presidents nus history when presidential historians and scholars are talking about this. trump is considered from experts in the field to be one of the worst presidents in the history of the united states

and i am sorry, warren g harding. it wasn't good. in today's veterans day. it is a celebratory day not to be confused with memorial day which is a very somber occasion and memorial day we remember servicemembers who gave their lives for our country and veterans day is a happy day, a celebration of our nation's veterans and a time to say thank you and pay them some attention and pay attention to their service and pride in service and basically as a country veterans day is a day to lift up her servicemembers and veterans. and therefore i try not to do bummer veterans news on veterans day. today, the news is that donald trump, for his second presidential term has brought back that guy, that last

cabinet official with the last scandal, the guy referred for criminal prosecution right at the end of his first term in office after a scandal ridden tenure at the va and this time he has brought that guy back to lead the trump transition efforts for the entire military, the entire defense department. the former va secretary who was referred to the justice department for criminal prosecution at the end of his term to lead his pentagon transition efforts and at a time when the united states of america is looking to the united states military for assurances that they won't deploy against american civilians the way trump has threatened, the way he has ordered them or will order them to do, the guy who is been charged of staffing up defense department leadership for the military making sure we have all the best most ethical people there, it is the guy who left office last him under trump while his "possible criminal conduct was under investigation by portal --

federal prosecutors." good times. there have been a flurry of announcements and news about trump staffing up in the past 24 hours for his second term and he really is bringing back that guy to choose the staff and leadership of the u.s. defense department and it is just been reported by the new york times that florida republican senator marco rubio, once memorably casting dispersions on the size of donald trump's genitals that a presidential debate but the new york times says senator rubio will be donald trump's choice for secretary of state and nbc news has just confirmed that news as well in the last few moments and it is on the front page of the new york times as we speak. marco rubio the expected choice by donald trump to be his secretary of state. and we did learn for sure that trump is choosing fourth national security advisor another republican member of congress, congressman mike waltz of florida and after he

helped in the effort to try to overthrow the u.s. government and keep trump in power after he lost reelection in 2020, you may remember it was amazing florida story. you may remember a very unusual apology being published by congressman walz's hometown paper, the orlando sentinel, an apology to their readers for having endorsed mike waltz for reelection. they apologize for having endorsed him after he helped trump overthrow the government. he is also distinguishing himself by claiming that trump wasn't responsible for january six and also has proposed that dulles airport should be renamed trump airport. so clearly congressman mike waltz has checked all the boxes he needs to to be the national security advisor and a second trump presidential term and we also learned that tom homan will be in a job that trump is calling orders are in remember

when republicans maintained with a straight face it was a huge scandal and evidence of communism to call anyone bizarre of anybody in the u.s. government well, tom homan will be his borders are and he is the architect of the policy that had the us government deliberately and systematically taking little kids away from their parents and not giving them back. he also spent this . while trump has been out of office barnstorming the country bragging about he will be the man who will mercilessly come after immigrants if and when trump gets back into power. >> is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families? >> of course there is. >> they ain't seen anything yet. wait until 2025. trump comes back in january.

i will be on his heels coming back and i will run the biggest deportation outfit this country has ever seen. >> i am still being sued over this family separation and i don't give a -- what anybody says. trump comes back i come back. and i will run the biggest deportation operation this country has ever seen. >> that last appearance there worth pointing out was tom homan again just appointed to be trump's borders are for the second time and that was him speaking this year at an event called the rod of iron festival, a quasireligious event held by sort of a cult group and this is their leader and a group that literally worships assault rifles and in their sort of demigod leader who literally wears a crown made out of bullets. that cult event is the kind of

event that tom homan has been speaking at this year. talking about mass deportations and how he will run all of that when trump is back in office. here is another i want to highlight, tom homan doing a friendly long radio show interview at a fairly typical interview content wise but this is the guy who is in environment that he has been swimming in before being named today to be trump's borders are for the second term. >> if you look what happened and the attacks during 911 again, all coming out with the same group of people that is done a very good job at hiding under the religion of judaism and they use it as a cover for what they are really doing. i am sure they helped engineer the takedown of hitler. the things i see, it makes me shake my head after what they have programmed is people will learn a lot about world war ii

and hitler and the nazis and hitler was actually fighting the same people that we are trying to take down today. >> people are going to learn that hitler was fighting the same people that we are trying to take down today. these people who are using judaism as a cover for what they are really doing and look at 9/11 and look at judaism and 9/11. what? this is the company that tom homan has been keeping. these are the kinds of places he has been making appearances over the past two years and while trump has been out of office and this is where tom homan has been promising mass deportations and camps to hold millions of people in this country. trump today announced he is in fact bringing tom homan into the government to head up mass deportations. he also put in charge of policy planning for the transition the

other architect of the family separation policy the policy of taking kids away from their families and not giving them back and the whole second term trump plan to build mass camps in the united states for the military and hold millions of people inside of our own borders. that idea was developed by stephen miller and today we learned he will beat deputy chief of policy in the trump white house and according to the new york times in charge of all policy matters for the transition. we know what his priorities are. he will be setting these priorities for what the trump administration will do on day one. anybody telling you this will be in all moderate or normal in terms of what they are doing, that person is living on a nice planet i would like to visit sometimes, but it isn't our planet right here. any expectation that the most extreme things he talked about during the campaign and his time out of office were just talk and normal people will come into the administration to do normal things? that wishful thinking hasn't

survived this first monday since the election. it is better to be clear eyed about these things and see them coming than to be in denial or be surprised when they come around. it is what it is. and to that end, there is one other thing worth watching and worth putting up a flag on this. just in terms of thinking about not just policy choices or personal choices but the preservation of our system of government. the president honestly can appoint pretty much anyone he wants to any position and it is ridiculous that trump and his first term in office had a lot of cabinet officials who were involved in corruption scandals and referred for criminal prosecution but in saying he gave his son-in-law white house job and gave a security clearance even though he failed the background check and that same son-in-law walked away with $2 billion from saudi arabia in his pocket.

it is all crazy. but legally a president can put anyone he wants in the white house basically. he is free to make terrible decisions along those lines. we have seen them do it before. he is free to make the worst possible decisions about who to bring into the white house and that is what the american people voted for and congratulations. that is what we get. also with the advice and consent of the senate, you can put anyone he wants to do high positions in the government or at-large. on that point, you may have seen that trump put out a statement online insisting that even though he isn't in control yet and even though the democrats right now control the white house and president biden is still president and even though the democrats right now have a majority in the senate, still trump insisted this weekend that the democrats shouldn't be able to confirm anyone including biden appointed judges over these

last few months before trumpist sworn in as president and as an assertion, that is nuts. you are not currently president and republicans don't control the senate, so you and republicans have no say over whether biden and the democrats choose to pass more confirmations before you take power. you don't get a say in that because you are not in power yet. and, to be clear, after biden won the presidential election and democrats won the senate at the same time, when the republicans were in -- were on their way out a power they had a gazillion confirmations and confirmed at least 32 people in that time period after the election, everything from the surface transportation board to the state department to the doj to the tennessee valley authority. they confirmed more than 30 people to jobs like that after biden and the democrats won the 2020 election but before trump and the republicans had left town and handed over power. just in that time period, the

republicans after the 2020 election but before biden's inauguration, republicans in congress when they were not helping trump in his effort to overthrow the government by force and stay in power thanks to an angry mob attacking congress, when they were not busy with that they were busy confirming trump judges after the election and after trump lost the election in 2020 but before biden was sworn in republicans in the senate confirmed appeals court judges and other judges including eileen cannon who then proceeded in south florida to throw out what otherwise look like an open and shut criminal case about trump illegally hoarding and is handling classified documents which he hidden his bathroom among other places at his home in florida. they confirmed a lot of people after they lost the election in 2020 before the democrats came into power at the end of january of 2025 and the idea that it would be somehow

improper now for the democrats to do the same thing in the democrats to spend this next 2 1/2 months confirming biden nominees including judges and say there is something wrong with republicans stopping that is an absurd suggestion. republicans confirmed people at great speed after they lost power in 2020 and democrats will do so presumably with equivalent speed right now after they lost the selection. the white house at least said they would do so today and in a statement brushing trump back telling them to back off his threats to try to stop these confirmations even before he is back in power. here's the thing i want to .2. along with that absurd bluster from trump where he tries to pretend he is already in power, telling democrats to behave as if trump is already president and republicans already control the senate, which they don't and which is pushing it, trump

also said another thing about confirming people for positions in the government. he said he wants the new senate after sworn in to go into recess and wants them to recess , leave town so there is no senate in session to confirm his nominees for the new administration. on the surface, you may think this makes no sense because republicans will control the senate in january and it's not like they are known for their independence and willingness to buck trump's wishes and whoever he wants to appoint to his government the matter how crazy the republicans will approve everyone they asked for. do you think somebody like tom home and, he has been spending time with the jewish people that 9/11 guy and you think the republicans will have a problem with that? really? i mean, he will have a republican controlled senate. they will confirm his appointees no matter who they are. why is trump now telling the senate to go into recess and

shut themselves down so they can't vote to confirm his appointees? why is he doing that? he is doing that so the senate won't have to vote to confirm the appointees. if they aren't recessed, he can make recess appointments and he can install people in their positions without the senate ever voting for them even though the senate would vote for them if they took a vote. he is telling the senate to shut itself down so he can operate independently and on his own. they don't have any intention of stopping him and he doesn't even want to give them a say. i do draw your attention to this because of all the discussions we have had as a country about trump's dictator on day one promises and authoritarian values and promises and threats, one of the things that has not been talked about much is we have a

three-part system of government. coequal branches of government with the judiciary, the legislature and the court. there is one guy in charge and there could be no other source of authority other than the dear leader so if there has to be a congress, certainly it shouldn't be a congress with any power or a congress that has any role in governing. and frankly the same thing for the courts. and this is something i have been trying to raise flags about in advance and sometimes you can feel something is getting traction or not and you can tell how it is not getting traction and this is what is coming. we already see it. watch for moves early on to consolidate power for him and

not just within the executive branch, which they are obviously doing. this whole thing about firing civil servants and career employees? what is that about? it is about consolidating the executive branch so there is no source of authority and no directive force in the executive branch at all other than the president himself about consolidating the power of the executive branch. also look to him to disempower and hollow out, neuter, sideline, the other two branches of government. the legislature, meaning the congress, and the judiciary. he doesn't fear being constrained by this iteration of congress especially if they take the house as well and trump doesn't fear being all that constrained and not with john roberts as the chief justice and doesn't fear being constrained by those parts of our government and anything he wants to do any has them on trump chains quite frankly. it is important to any would be

authoritarian to not just have the obedience of other portions of the government but have their subservience too. it must be that other portions of the government cannot matter and only he can matter. there can't be three coequal branches of government but one man who is the government and everybody else is subservient to him. on this point amid everything else we are learning about this transition, and, oh boy, there is more to learn about it, but amid everything else we are learning about this transition kostic a flag in the fact that he demands the u.s. senate shut itself down for him, even though it will be controlled by republicans. there is no rational reason why he shouldn't want the united states senate to confirm his appointees unless he doesn't want the senate to have that kind of job. he doesn't want the senate or congress to have any job. the state. that is me. authoritarian governance means

only one person matters in the rest of the government is just decoration. we are watching for that from him from the court and we already see it from him about what he is demanding from the congress. heads up. a lot to get to this hour. stay with us. with us est. (fisher investments) so we don't sell any commission-based products. (other money manager) then how do you make money? (fisher investments) we have a simple management fee, structured so we do better when our clients do better. (other money manager) your clients really come first then, huh? fisher investments: yes. we make them a top priority, by getting to know their finances, family, health, lifestyle and more. (other money manager) wow, maybe we are different. (fisher investments) at fisher investments, we're clearly different.

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donald trump's first term in presidency wasn't known at the time when bipartisanship flourish but some exceptions. and 2019 the pretty hard right republican senator from wisconsin ron johnson teamed up with a group of democrats

including progressive massachusetts senator elizabeth worn to cosponsor illegitimately bipartisan bill called the presidential transition enhancement act with the purpose to smooth out the process of transitioning from one president to the next but also handling possible conflicts of interest while a new president elect is staffing up and the bill required candidates to devise and ethics plan, and in agreement that the eligible candidate will implement and enforce a plan to guide the transition and that bipartisan good government reform bill passed the senate by unanimous consent and not a single senator opposed it and it passed the house of representatives on a voice vote with no opposition and in march of 2020 on super tuesday, donald trump signed it into law. and despite what you are thinking, which is the whole

trump signed an ethics law, it wasn't that much of a surprise at the time when republicans were involved in crafting mothers laois and and a unanimous passage through the house and senate and also trump's own team said there were things about the transition process they didn't like either, which they thought this a bill would fix. so trump signed it and bipartisan reform of the presidential transition act inspired by the concerns of the trump team crafted by far right numbers of congress signed by trump in 2020. now, it is transition time again in time to put it all in place. so now, naturally, here is the lead from the new york times. quote, president-elect donald j. trump has not yet submitted a legally required ethics pledge saying he will avoid conflicts of interest in other concerns well in office raising concerns his refusal to do so will hamper the smooth transition to power. yes, this is the very same ethics pledge from the bipartisan bill that trump

himself signed into law and he isn't sign it -- signing it and ignoring those requirements including blowing through the september one deadline to sign the transition agreement with the general services administration. why is that important? it provides for a variety of services be made available to the president-elect including $7 million in funding for the cost of the transition and it also puts a $5000 cap on individual donations to the transition and requires the public disclosure of all of its donors and by refusing to sign that agreement, he effectively faces no limit on contributions and doesn't name to -- need to name his donors publicly. it isn't regulated by any other government agency. so not to bottom line is to bluntly, but it means that trump in the transition appears to be setting himself up to take unlimited funds from anywhere and he doesn't have to disclose where it is from and

he can use that money for any purpose with no oversight. and what could possibly go wrong? would you like to pay a bribe to the president-elect? do you know where the mailslot is marked transition office? and joining us now is a politics reporter for the new york times who broke the story and i appreciate you making time to be here. thank you. >> thank you, rachel. >> i want to ask you about the potential concerns here of ethics and whether this means that there isn't a transition happening meaning the literal transition to the new government in which the president-elect and his team get into the agencies and start learning what is there and what needs to be done and start seeing where their desks are and filing cabinets, that can happen in addition to concerns about money, right? >> that is right. until the agreements are signed and until the ethics plan is submitted, the biden

administration is legally prohibited from opening any of its doors or files or even providing national security briefings to the trump transition so it is a total law and they can't give him anything and they won't break that law and so far what that means is the trump transition has seen nothing to have the kind of thing you normally have to having people getting access to different agencies and sharing of files and getting people in prepared to take over the federal government and totally not happening because of the trump transition's refusal to sign the two agreements it was required to do in september and october and provide that plan that conforms to federal law. >> is it your sense, and is it an unanswerable question, but is it your sense from reporting that they intend to sign those pledges so the transition can go ahead, or is it your sense

they don't intend to sign those pledges and they don't intend to have a transition but intend to show up on the 20th of january? >> one thing that is my sense and the other is what they say. what they have said to me and others is of course they will sign all the agreements and get it done but they first told me that an early act tober that they would do it and it is more than a month since i have had that conversation and they have not find anything. people inside the federal government told me they really have no progress in terms of getting them to sign anything. the fact of the matter is the one agreement with the general services administration as you mentioned, probably could never get signed and it would hinder the transition as much as the other one, which is crucial with the white house, the one that sets the guidelines for providing access to all the agencies which sets up the national security briefings

that allows the real transition to happen and if it isn't signed we're looking at a situation where trump and all of his appointees and all the people he wants to work in the administration would have to walk into 400+ agencies completely cold on january 20 with no preparation and people who follow these things, it worries them a lot because they believe the moment where any administration or any time the u.s. government is at its most vulnerable is in these transition moments and if there was ever a risk of foreign attack or cyber espionage or anything like that it would happen during then. we look at a situation where the trump administration would have zero preparation and coming in completely cold and taking the final exam without ever going to class. >> i am trying not to use words like final even in metaphors these days but it seems like an appropriate use in this context. thank you so much and congratulations on this

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for over 30 years, the most prominent human rights organization in russia was an organization called memorial. the purpose of it was to memorialize and tell the stories of the oppression and bloodshed of the stalin area and it was one of the most

important repositories of information about the brutal past of the soviet union and the organization got the nobel peace prize in 2022 but stories about the russian government doing bad things and even doing bad things decades ago are not stories that vladimir putin likes and of course one of the hallmarks of authoritarian rule is there can't be sources of information that compete with the dictator. three years ago putin's government shut memorial down and they first labeled memorial a foreign agent which then was a quick hop step and jump of the kremlin ordering the group to be liquidated altogether and another branch of memorial that focused on the present day human rights were accused of supporting terrorism and got shut down as well and the government also shutdown the anticorruption movement led by the opposition leader alexei navalny and they shut down his organization by labeling it as an extremist organization, which is the same label the russian government gives to isis and al qaeda. one key

signifier of authoritarian drift is leaders giving themselves wide powers to shutdown civil society groups and media outlets in the easiest way to do that is to declare a form of emergency in the second easiest way to do that is to label groups you don't like as terrorists or part of some nefarious outside influence. today with a 70 days ago until donald trump was sworn in as his second term as president, it's probably not a great time for the united states congress to be considering a bill that would willingly hand over the executive branch new wide latitude to unilaterally declare nongovernmental organizations and media outlets to be terroristic. and yet that appears to be the plan in the house of representatives with republican leaders tomorrow expected a fast track a bill that allows the secretary of the treasury, whoever trump appoints to that

role to essentially shut down any nonprofit organization that he or she declares to be a terrorist supporting organization. the aclu has joined more than 120 different charitable organizations and human rights organizations urging lawmakers to vote against this. in april incredibly and earlier version got overwhelming support from almost every republican and democrat in the house of representatives. and now with a trump administration on the horizon, this bill reasonably looks different members of congress who have their eyes open. one democrat who didn't oppose this bill the last time around now tells the intercept he will likely vote against at this time. and this is expected to be voted on in the house tomorrow even if the bill passes the house but no reason to expect the senate will take it up as long as the senate is controlled by democrats and

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declaring that nonprofit to be a terrorist supporting organization. joining us now is as relevant from indivisible which is one trying to marshal opposition against the bill and cofounder of this movement in 2016, and you know them from their successful organizing against the trump organization the first time around including their heroic and ultimately successful organizing to save obamacare and today with a second trump term on the horizon and he met with lawmakers and involved in writing a new indivisible guide and new instruction manual for indivisible's and a specific brand of practical grassroots locally-based opposition this time for the second administration and it's nice to see you and thank you for being here. >> it is great to talk. >> you are one of the groups along with the aclu and other groups calling on congress to reject this bill and what seems

important to you? >> look. i do not know why on the first day that congress comes back into session after donald trump wins the election that you would have democrats and congressman voted to give him more power to go after his enemies. that is bonkers. i think it is a real test to see if democrats in this new trump era are willing to fight back. >> in terms of the indivisible approach to organizing, i have to go back in time now and i do want to ask you sort of a nutshell the indivisible philosophy for that practical, locally-based grassroots organizing i described in the intro, how you developed it in 2017 in the wake of trump being elected the first time. and whether that asic east coast still guides what you do today? >> look, trump wants to think

he is all-powerful. and he wants you and everybody else to think that he is all- powerful. i am sorry. for the time being, we still live in a federated national democratic republic. in that democratic republic how we do have congress and we do have 50 state republics where there are 19,000 villages and cities and towns and unincorporated areas where 335 million americans live and with hundreds of thousands of political officials, every drop of power comes from the people. it doesn't flow up to donald trump but through the local and state level and the national level but it is geographically based. the key insight in this indivisible guide didn't come from us but came from years and years of organizing on the left and right and we saw the tea party do it and what they recommended people do was focus on their local area, where they live and get folks together and organize them and focus on your

elected officials, whether they are city elected officials, county elected officials, state elected officials are federal, and in this moment where you do have donald trump and what would be like a republican trifecta coming after us, using a slim election margin to justify a deeply unpopular policy agenda in this moment, what we have the power to do is organize locally and tell our elected officials just say no and fight back, don't give this guy power that he doesn't have. that is what we did in 2017 and 2018 as he said the save obamacare. and also to build the largest midterm margins in the history of the republic and take back the house in 2018. >> ezra, obviously the election results this time around didn't land with the same shock value as they did in 2016 after trump had been elected once and i think everybody implicitly knew

it could theoretically happen again. i want to ask what you are hearing from indivisible members and what you also hear from people who may be interested in joining indivisible groups around the country. you haven't put out any official call or to collect literally -- collectively start organizing just in terms of this week and enthusiasm for doing the work you're talking about? >> yes. it has been a week and we put out the original guide in mid- december. i heard a lot of talk that it's been a few hours or a few days and where are the massive crowds and where is the resistance? here are things that i have seen talking to people across the country and i have joined people in georgia who did a poll and asking members how you are feeling right now and what you are going through. folks are feeling angry and scared, but the number one response from the georgia

indivisible group, 70%, determined we saw 11,000 of our members join us the day after election and we joined on with move on and working families party and others to join nationwide and 150,000 people joined the next day. we have not put out a new guide. it will come out wednesday. the number one thing we will call and folks to do is gather your community. so go to our website and check it out or reach out to friends and family members and start talking about what you will do in this moment to fight back. >> ezra 11, thank you so much for being here and keeping us posted. we will be talking to you in an ongoing way in weeks ahead. i am sure of it. thank you so much.

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