okay. it has been about one week since the election, and i know you are all digesting that and processing that, and that will take some time. you should take your time doing that. there's a lot happening in washington as trump's second term starts to take shape. we will talk about that tonight and what it means for all of us because it's important to know and what the most effective guardrails against it might be. those might be democratic governors. we will talk to one of them, massachusetts governor maura healey who has some experience governing during a trump term and we will talk to her. the guardrails could be lower so we will talk to one of the best in the country, sherrilyn ifill, and it could be members of congress. we will talk to one of them too, dan goldman. i want to start with a bit of a look at the people trump is choosing to serve in his administration. they tell us a lot of what is

second shot at the white house could look like, and that knowledge of who they are and what their intentions are is important as we figure out the path forward. today, trump tapped tom homan, his former acting i.c.e. director is the border czar and he's expected to name immigration hardliner stephen miller. you know that guy. get out the vote message last week was vote to end the invasion, that was his get out the vote message. he will take over the role of deputy chief of staff for policy. those are two people who clearly have made very abundantly clear they have every intention of taking the most aggressive, most inhumane approach to immigration policy possible. while you probably have heard a lot about stephen miller, you probably haven't heard as much about tom homan. i want to give you an insight into who he is. it's a guy who backed trump zero-tolerance immigration policy during the first term

which resulted in thousands of families being separated at the southern border. he was a contributor to project 25's mandate for leadership. that nine acre page bigoted blueprint overhaul the federal government that was online. he said a few months ago that migrants, quote, ain't seen he also said this in an interview right before the election. >> is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families? >> of course there is. they can be deported together. >> tom homan, the guy you just saw, and stephen miller are two in the growing cast of pretty scary characters that trump is adding to his inner circle. we learn trump selected mike waltz to be his national security adviser. medicine a confirmed job. is a trump loyalist and election denier and a nato critic who echoes trump's skepticism of supporting ukraine. earlier today, trump selected elise stefanik for u.n. ambassador.

she's a moderate turned total maga loyalist and will fill the job that nikki haley had during the first trump administration. the guy rumored to be in the running for cia or fbi director is cash patel. the atlantic wrote even in an administration, loyalist, patel was exceptional in his devotion. each of these choices tells something about trump's vision of a second term because of what they have in common. they are pure loyalist and maga devotees. people who will carry it trump's well this wishes without a second thought. beyond that, there people who share trump's king-like view that executive power should be limitless. do you remember the thing stephen miller said at the beginning trump's first term? we do. >> the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. >> his power will not be questioned. just to recap the situation in washington, d.c. we are

watching trump hire a fiercely loyal staff who view the power the presidency has unlimited and at the same time he will have a republican senate and will very likely have a republican house of representatives. all of that is scary and i'm sorry to be direct about that. it means that one of the last best checks for democrats to be in states where there are democratic governors. one week after the election, we are hearing from some of them. california governor newsom said his status ready to fight and he called for a special legislative session to devote more resources to counter republican policies around immigration, the environment, lgbtq rights and reproductive care. kathy hochul a team of experts to protect her state from policy threats. illini governor pritzker promised if you come for my people, you come to me. new jersey governor phil murphy said in response to question about past deportations, if it's contrary to our values, we

will fight to the death. massachusetts governor maura healey had this to say to our own lawrence o'donnell last week. >> if the trump administration request it, with the massachusetts state police assist in mass deportations? >> no. absolutely not. >> the border -- the new border czar tom homan responded to democratic governors like maura healey on fox news this morning. spent some of these democratic governors say they will stand in the way and they will make it hard for us. a suggestion. if you're not going to help us get the hell out of the way because we will do it. >> at the hell out of the way. that's not how government works. secondly, he might be talking to the wrong governor. maura healey sutra 100 times as the mass is two inches attorney general she took immediate action and stockpiled mifepristone in the wake of dobbs and she said during this

term sheet is ready to hold the line. joining me now is the democratic governor massachusetts maura healey. it's great to see you. there's so much i want to get to but you are one of the governors as outlined, a lot of experience governing during trump presidency. i played that sound from tom homan, who trump announced will be the new border czar, warning governors, like you, that oppose their plan mast deportation to get the hell out of the way. i was sitting on the set when you were talking to lawrence o'donnell and you talk about tools in the toolbox. this question i get, what can a governor like you do to stop actions like mass deportation? >> well, good evening and let me say, happy veterans day to all. i started at a veterans service and it's important this time, especially that we recognize those who have served and those serving now.

i will tell you how i see it. it's interesting the comments of the soon to be i.c.e. director. he is right about one thing that federal immigration enforcement is the job of federal authorities, and is a former attorney general and now as governor, i agree with that. that is the case so it's up to the new trump administration and federal authorities to figure out how they are going to implement and what they will implement when it comes to immigration enforcement. is a governor, and it's a view shared by democratic and republican governors, what we hope the president elect prioritizes is fixing the border. he had the opportunity to do that a year ago but he blew that up when it looked like a bipartisan deal was ready to be signed. that really needs to happen. we need more agents and we need to cut down on trafficking of we need more resources so as a governor of a state, have no

immigration enforcement authority. i sure hope there's attention paid but more broadly i also say the job of governors, we are elected to serve our citizens. in massachusetts, and focused on delivering for the things by residents care about. they want lower-cost, more affordable housing, access to health care, access to education. we are a state where many laws and protections are enshrined in law. our constitution protects clean air, clean water. we have laws that are strong when it comes to protecting against discrimination and ensuring women have access to abortion and reproductive health care. as governor, i will make sure i defend the rights, the freedoms that people in massachusetts entitled to under law. that includes the face of any attempted federal overreach. but i will stay focused on the

things that matter to citizens here, which are those things i just outlined. >> i am so grateful for you to raise that it is veterans day. grateful for the veterans of served and there's so many things to focus on. i want to ask about this, and if it's right and you tell me, there's about 250,000 undocumented immigrants living in your state and tell me if that's not right. i imagine many of them are legitimately afraid of what will happen and they look as you is this fierce and strong governor. not afraid to fight back. you are not overseeing federal enforcement, but the question is, is there anything that can be done or what you tell them when they ask about these repeated commitments to mass deportations? >> look, we have to see what president-elect trump does. it's one thing to make a bunch of promises and statements in the course of a campaign. it's another thing to actually

operationalize and implement. with respect to the issue of immigration, this really is a federal issue that cries out for a solution on the border. i certainly have, as a civil rights attorney and also is a former attorney general, have been clear about the need to protect people's rights in the state. i think what americans and people in massachusetts are looking for are sensible commonsense ways forward. right? not vilification and not scaring the hell out of people. it depends. we have students here. we have families here. some who have been here for decades. who may not be here lawfully. they are working. i don't know what the president will do for the impact of that on the economy, but, as i say, i will stay steady and focused on my job which is to lower- cost. i cut taxes last year and were building more housing.

i will senate economic development bill shortly. in the face of any federal actor including the president or his administration who interferes with what our state's writes when it comes to protecting abortion, protecting access to public education, protecting access to health care here will stand up and fight against that. i imagine you would see governors in other states doing the same, if that were to happen to them. >> let me ask you about something else you did that i thought was pretty bold and courageous. i know a lot were appreciative of. your directed your state to stockpile mifepristone after the drug -- and the supreme court this summer to protect against the drug but given the new administration, say something you were thinking about? your administration is stockpiling more or taking other steps given we don't know where that will head? you and others are preparing for what could happen and what trump and his admin say they might want to do?

>> you asked a little while ago about the extent of a governor's power. it's a good example. i was very concerned as the case was pending before the supreme court that we would see access to medication abortion and taken away. i wanted to do everything i could to protect women in massachusetts and protect health care providers in massachusetts so we stockpiled medication abortion so that we have a supply at the ready. of course, the court ended up not taking that away, but we want to be ready, and that's how i operate as governor. i am proud to be signing into law a law that will protect abortion and health care, women's health care providers, from liability because, americans everywhere, especially in massachusetts, one thing is clear and it's in our constitution, women are entitled to abortion care, health care that they need. as governor, i will do everything in my power to make

sure they have that access. i was hurt in the other night to see so many states, so many people vote for that reproductive freedom in their own states. >> seven states including some that would for trump. that tells you a lot about abortion rights and interest in the country. governor healey, i know how much you have on your plate. thank you for taking the time to join us. coming up. with trump's return to power, the judicial system is about to be tested in ways it never has before. we've got to talk about that and prepare. we will see what happens. sherrilyn ifill is standing by and she joins me. ins me. radiant skin. new vaseline radiant x body lotion with 1% niacinamide. level up to even toned skin.

among trump's many immigration proposals as a promise to issue an coexecutive order to end birthright citizenship in america and yesterday asked neal katyal if that was possible. >> he also promised to sign an executive order to end birthright citizenship in the united states. can he do that via executive order? >> no. last i checked on the president can't override the constitution, the 14th amendment is as clear as day, that there is no way he can do that. if he tries that, he will lose in court every day of the week.

>> few people know the law better analysis correct about the law and since birthright citizenship wasn't shot into the constitution with the 14th amendment, three branches of the government have consistently concluded that it applies to children born on u.s. soil. children born to citizens and migrants alike. even trump reported judge, member the fifth circuit court of appeals who opinions have been too extreme for the conservative justices on the supreme court defend a birthright citizenship in 2006 same, quote, text and history confirm the citizens of cause which is all persons are subject to u.s. jurisdiction and laws regardless of race or alienage. but, that was then and today, that very same judge who wrote that quote today new loophole that will be music to trump's years. in an interview, the judge said birthright citizenship obviously does not apply in case of war or invasion. that's quite a broad definition. joining me as sherrilyn ifill,

the former president and director counsel of the naacp defense phone in the verna jordan endowed chair in civil rights a howard university. it's so great to see you. i ran into you last week and it's good to see you. he was pretty confident that trump's executive order to panic birthright citizenship goes against the constitution and precedent and i would assume you agree with that analysis of the law. the rebuttal i've seen is that has not stopped some right-wing courts before with loopholes. there was one aflutter from judge that migrants are migrants but foreign invaders. what you make of the powers? i was talking to maura healey and i don't want to scare anyone, but i want to be clear what's happening and what people will try to do the next couple of years. what do you make of that? how do you think the judiciary could analyze this with trump and his administration. >> i think you are asking the

right question and thank you for having me. neil is right. the first line of the 14th amendment of the constitution as every person born or naturalized in the u.s. is a citizen of the united states and in the state where they reside. the language could not be clearer. it's unequivocal. birthright citizenship was created and ratified to ensure that black people both free and newly freed would-be citizens after the dred scott decision at the end of the civil war. that's who it was intended for but tens of millions of now americans and their families have benefited from birthright citizenship including waves and waves of european immigrants in the 20th century. but, there has been this continuous call by those on the right to talk about birthright citizenship as though it's a policy choice rather than a constitutional imperative.

you are seeing more of that with trump believing he can buy executive order sign it away. i think he knows and i'm sure those around him no that an executive order cannot trump a provision. he's counting on the investment that those in the extremist right have made in the federal courts including the supreme court, and what they are hoping is you are describing is a loophole would be reinterpreted by the supreme court. the court has been clear in the past, more than 100 years ago, that the loophole that is referring to is dealing with children of diplomats who are assigned to this country. those children who are born here are not citizens because the diplomats are not subject to the jurisdiction of the united states. have diplomatic immunity. it has nothing to do with migrants who are born in this country, but the invasion language, that's the important part. this is a effort to do this mass the naturalization that trump's right-hand alkylate

stephen miller talked about. d naturalization is a process that cannot happen if there's been some willful, misleading or there has been fraud or other criminal activity that made someone not eligible for naturalization who was naturalized. it's used in time of war. it's not used in time of peace. because there is also this loophole in that statute, that 1798 alien enemies act that talks about invasion or predatory incursion, that's what they have been building up to. it's the reason for the migrant talk. the reason for the eighth of pets. this has been laying the foundation to try to get the supreme court to see migrants coming from central america and from south america, to see that as innovation of some kind, the predatory act. there will be an effort to talk about gangs. this goes back to

aurora, colorado and why trump said he will start his process in aurora. the effort to suggest games have taken over apartment buildings. this is an effort to lay the foundation for the concept that we are somehow being invaded by migrants. you've heard many on the right use that language that it's a predatory incursion. i would love to tell you the supreme court would reject that out of hand. i want to tell you that, but frankly i can't tell you that. i recall for people, the most famous use of the alien enemies act was a japanese interment. the supreme court said the decision was overturned in the court of history. there's no such thing as a court of history. it's not been overturned to the u.s. supreme court. we should be wary and we should be concerned. the american civil liberties union and other organizations are ready and have been preparing for years. they take it very seriously, but this will be the effort to get this up to the supreme court

and hope the supreme court will step far out of line and far away from history and tradition of birthright citizenship and make some effort to read the alien enemies act in a way that was clearly not tended by congress. it's part of the effort of this administration, incoming administration, to show itself to be more powerful than the constitution. the only way they can do that is with the acquiescence of the federal courts and the u.s. supreme court. everything that trump says he's planning to do really is a test for our courts and the supreme court. i think all of us given what's happened the last few years have reason to be concerned. >> thank you for that amazing explanation. i think it's important for us to be informed and hopefully these things do not happen. let's be informed about it. this is one of the areas in which trump is trying to test

the system. i want to ask about another because trump is demanding the republican senators who want to be majority leader, the election is a silent ballot, this week, support recess appointments for his nominees which is away, for presidents to bypass congress and get the people in place. it has been used in the past to be clear. it looks like trump will have a fairly comfortable majority in the senate. i know this caught your attention and i don't want to let anything slip by for what people should understand so why did it catch your attention and something you are concerned about? >> once again, as you pointed out, it looks like trump will have a comfortable majority in the senate to be able to get his cabinet confirmed. that's not good enough for him. what he does not want us to go through the process of confirmation hearings in which democratic senators will have a chance to expose the inadequacies and extremism of some of the nominees that he is

planning to put in his cabinet. what he wants is to have those positions filled by recess appointments, those are temporary appointments for a year, and they're usually used after someone has been through the process for a long time and the senate is in a logjam. this preemptive effort to install cabinet members by recess appointments, it's a trump feature. it's because trump does not want that exposure the kind of people that he is going to nominate. that's number 1 and number 2 what he wants is to flex against the constitutional order. the constitutional orders the president nominates and the senate has the power to confirm. that say power the senate holds as part of the constitution. trump is placing himself above the constitution. this is the ultimate authoritarian moved to say i am more important and more powerful than this document you all revere.

the more he gets away with it, the more he hopes to cow those around him. he has made this a condition for anybody wanting to be senate majority leader. he has his right hand person, elon musk, helping with this. it's a dangerous move. it is designed to make us believe he is the ultimate authority. >> i never thought about the pace of never having them question, that's an important point of converse -- confirmation. thank you so much. it's great to see you. donald trump's allies start to target his perceived enemies and democrats prepared to fight back. dan goldman is standing by and joins me after a quick break. c

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we have clearly been exploring all the different branches of government and the different checks on trump, and one of them is potentially. republicans are track to keep control of the house and that means people like jim jordan gearing up to deliver for their boss, donald trump. jordan sent a letter to special counsel jack smith days after the election demanding that smith preserve all records related to his prosecutions of trump. that's usually the first step toward launching a congressional investigation when asked yesterday, he did not rule out calling on smith to testify so i think we can guess where this is headed. when it comes to trump's intentions, jordan insisted he doesn't think he will try to prosecute his perceived enemies despite, of course, trump's promise to prosecute his enemies repeatedly.

that would be quite a welcome surprise if that happened. then listen to people like mike davis, conservative lawyer and close ally of trump's, listen to how he threatened new york attorney general leticia james who want go against trumper business fraud earlier this year. >> let me say this to letitia james, the new york attorney general, i dare you. i dare you to continue your law against former president trump and in his second term because listen here, sweetheart, we are not messing around. we will put your fat and improves for conspiracy and i promise you that. >> that guy sure seems like someone and you would want to bring home from -- to mom. that same fellow husband floated for the job of attorney general. we will see and trump said publicly he wants him to serve in a, quote, very high capacity. we should be ready to believe trump's own words when he promises an agenda of so-called

retribution although the word is a misnomer in this context. retribution applies it those holding trump accountable rock to do so and they were not. joining me as someone who is in congress and will have a big role, democratic congressman dan goldman who sits on the house judiciary committee. it's great to see you. let me start with jim jordan. he is pretending that we haven't watched the last eight years transpire, but what are you and other democrats preparing for? it's part of what you are doing in this stage, the possibility of law enforcement officials like letitia james or jack smith or others being called to testify? >> first, it's an absolute disgrace that donald trump seems like he is going to escape accountability for his federal cases because of the doj policy that doj cannot prosecute a sitting president. this was very clearly what trump's primary goal was in

running for president was to evade that accountability, and already, we have seen indications from jack smith that he will do that. it does not mean we should not get a full accounting of the conduct, including any report. i agree with chairman jordan. we should know everything about this investigation. we should know whether or not there was any coordination with the attorney general garland or president biden. this is the fine department of justice that prosecuted president biden's son, hunter biden. this notion of love affair or weaponization is pure projection and total bunk. i agree. i think congress's role is to understand everything about the special counsel's investigation of donald trump. i do hope chairman jordan goes forward the that investigation. >> i have talked to you a lot

on the show and i'm not sure i've heard you agree with jim jordan, but it's a time for that. it does feel like you may have different objectives in terms of what you want to get down to the bottom of with jack smith. my bet is he's a pretty effective person during a hearing. you may get to the bottom of what actually happened and clear up some absurd conspiracy theories. could have backfire for jim jordan? there might be stuff he does not one out there? probably will be stuff. >> look, they have made all sorts of allegations. jim jordan and donald trump and everybody else that it's a purely politicized investigation , both investigations are, and that's just to get donald trump the political opponent of joe biden. if that is the case, once the special counsel's investigation is over, there's no reason for the special counsel for the department of justice to withhold information from congress. it is incumbent upon congress

to get that information. that's what they did with special counsel durham and with special counsel robert mueller and what they did was special counsel robert hur. this is how it has come to work in congress which is what our role is. our role it should be to get to the bottom and hold the department of justice accountable and so whatever the facts are, if there was weaponization and partisan efforts to get donald trump, then we should know about it. if there were not, we should also know about it. >> all -- the appointed officials and nominated officials in the department of justice are about to be out of office, or others others you would like to see testify before congress? about this. >> look, i will tell you that i am eager for all of them to come and testify.

i urge chairman jordan to actually get to the bottom of the allegations. they have made numerous, numerous allegations that are not supported, at this point, by any evidence. as you would do with allegations, you investigate that. way to investigate would be to call witnesses to get documents, and so we can uncover whether or not there is any legitimacy to these allegations or whether or not they just like to make this allegations and not investigate them because he saw what happened with the impeachment investigation and the oversight committee, there were lots of allegations that once they started to investigate, they all came crumbling down. >> it turns out when the truth services it can be awkward. i will call this bipartisanship a week after the election, congressman dan goldman, thank you for joining me and for being committed to getting to the bottom of the truth.

the trump team said he spoke with vladimir putin but putin says it never happened. i have thoughts on that when we come back. come back.

well, less than one week since the election, president- elect trump is already in contact with his old buddy vladimir putin, or is he? a new report in the washington post citing several people say they spoke last tuesday. report says this.

during the call, trump advised that russian president -- russian president not escalate the war in ukraine are reminded him of washington's sizable military presence in europe. now, that readout is not online with what trump has said his position is on the war in ukraine. a position which moche experts include cutting off aid to ukraine and standing by while russia holds onto ukrainian territory and could include pulling out of nato, not strengthening our forces in europe. that's one big flag. here's where it gets tricky. the kremlin said the call never happened. a source close to ukrainian president zelenskyy skeptical too. in a normal world of things came down to a he said, he said. we would know who to believe. the president-elect of the united states but we don't live in a normal world, and we know from trump's first-term the man has a history of being, shall we say, less than forthcoming about his conversations with putin.

a washington post analysis from 2019 found at least 16 private conversations between the men from trump's first three years in office. those are the ones we know about. the relationship between the two leaders is shrouded in a bit of mystery. there was of course that infamous two our closed door meeting between them and helsinki in 2018. despite efforts from lawmakers and reporters, we still know little about the conversation. that's because trump doesn't want us to know. you may remember, trump tried to obscure his conversations with putin from his own administration. this is from the same post story, quote, trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with putin including one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what transpired with other officials. let me tell you. that's not normal behavior from a president of the united states of any party.

that particular controversy was after a meeting between the two get it g20 summit in germany in 2017. it wasn't an isolated incident. similar happened after another meeting in buenos aires the following year as the financial times reported back then, trump sat down with putin for several minutes of conversation with no translator from the u.s. side to record the dialogue between the leaders. ahead of another g20 summit in japan, trump told reporters that his conversations with putin were none of your business. yes, there's a pattern here. you don't need to believe in conspiracies about russia to understand the trump is consistently obscuring the nature of his relationship with putin. the phone call that may or may not have happened is the latest example. trump has not even sworn into his second term and already there are questions swirling about whether and why he's misleading the american public about his relationship with russia. coming up, congress has

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last week voters in seven states voted to expand abortion rights and trump one code nearly half of those and now he's headed back to the white house. republican control the senate and they control the house. now, more than ever, democrats will need strong voices for reproductive rights and all sorts of rights. one newly elected member is uniquely qualified for that job. minnesota democrat kelly morrison will become the only pro-choice ob/gyn in congress when she is sworn in in january. joining meas kelly morrison. you are starting orientation tomorrow. let me ask, i was surprised to learn you would be the only pro-

choice ob/gyn in congress, that's exciting, but how does it feel? how are you feeling to be called congressman elect? >> thank you for having me on. i am honored to have been elected to represent minnesota's third district and it's a unique distinction to be the first and only pro-choice ob/gyn in a moment in history when reproductive freedom is very much under attack. i will have a unique voice to stand up to those attacks. >> you ran on a lot of issues but abortion rights was front and center, how important do you think that issue and your background and outspoken approach to that was in your race? >> i ran for office in the wake of trump's 2016 election because i was concerned as an ob/gyn and the implications for reproductive care. i think it still matters. the doves decision overturning roe v. wade which you will know

and more than one in three american women live under a ban or severe restriction. abortion rights matter a lot. soto kitchen table issues. i have dug into working on breaking down the cost of prescription drugs in the minnesota state legislature has i've seen my patients struggle to for the medicine they need. the medicare reform that allows medicare to negotiate the 10 drugs that we need to expand that list. that's one area where we can bring down costs for people is the prescription drug space and save millions of dollars for our health care system. my husband is a veteran. we are on veterans day. >> think your husband for his service. >> is a combat veteran, former army ranger, so veterans is a passion of mine and important our family. it's important those who sacrifice for us have the resources that they need and deserve.

that is something i worked on in the state legislator and hope to tackle that in congress as well. >> you said you look forward to bipartisanship which is people in the country, in general, like to hear about. you mentioned topics, lowering prescription drugs and veterans issues, what are things, you thing there might be opportunity to work with republicans in the house? i don't know if you noticed but things get crazy. >> i'm a lifelong democrat who grew up in a republican family so i know good ideas can come from the sides of the aisle. i worked hard in my time in the minnesota legislature to reach across the aisle. one of the bills i'm most proud of and i pass more than 90 bills into law many with bipartisan support but one i passed with the help of a conservative republican legislator and that was to extend health insurance to new moms and their babies for 60 days to 12 months postpartum. we disagreed on a lot of things and particularly abortion rights

. we set our differences aside and we agreed that new moms and their babies deserve health care. we got that done and it's making a difference in peoples lives in minnesota. there are opportunities to work together and find common ground. >> let me ask you before you go. you have a unique expertise on abortion rights and on health care. what's the misconception out there that you hear well- meaning people state about abortion, that you wish, as a doctor, people would understand? >> that's a great question and it's a long list and it's one of the challenges we are facing in the moment. there has been so much bad information for so many decades. laws have been passed by procedures that don't even exist. we focused a lot on this very tragic determining -- termination. the vast majorities happen in the first trimester, more than half of those are medication

abortions. when we talk about the threat of project 2025 and banning mifepristone, that's a scary prospect for american women and american families. it's not just a women's issue but a human issue. >> kelly morrison, such a pleasure. congressman elect i should say. good luck in orientation and thank you for joining me. i have something to be excited about. if you're a democrat, will talk about that in a moment. moment.

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politico reported today. gavin newsom held a friday call with about 50,000 people in his small donor network and called a special legislative session designed and pete buttigieg is set to tout his accomplishments in a series of events as he winds down his official role. now, those are just a couple of the people, and that just a little bit of reportingch i know we're just six days removed from an election. i promise you we should not be starting the next presidential sweepstakes just yet. everyone needs a break. what i am saying is this, it's going to be even in these dark times, even in times when people are fearful it's incredibly excited to watch when speps up in this moment. and yes there are the newsoms and suherepos and a long list of democratic stars we already know about. and then there are the stars out there whose names we don't know

yet, but i promise you they're all out theres. we maybe don't know about them yet. i don't pick, you do. that's how democracy works, and i cannot wait to see who you find. that does it for me tonight. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. >> hey, jen, i love it. the onward, forward, the future is very uncertain but in some good ways, too. i feel better already. >> well, i know. we've got to be clearheaded about the moment, but there are also exciting elements of who will rise and rising stars, and that's exciting, too, unin this moment. >> totally. i am with you. i'm on this ride. i want you to continue tell me where this ride is going. i feel good about it. >> we're on the ride. >> thanks, jen. that cans a lot. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. really happy to vow i here. so