although there are indications that may be backfiring. we'll find out. >> certainly the senate it's a blind vote. they have some ability to potentially defy trump. we shall see. we'll wait to see if trump does stock his administration with some of the more extreme figures on the right. had we'll find that out in the days ahead. msnbc contributor charlie sykes. thank you. thanks to all of you for getting up way too early with us on this tuesday morning. the veterans out there, that suffer from ptsd, for the single moms working two jobs and raising their three kids. for the dads, have to miss bet time. for the kids dreaming about a better america and a better, better future, this victory is

for you. thank you, arizona. >> democratic qangman ruben gallego managed to prevail in a state donald trump easily flipped in the idential race. donald trump is fulfilling more key positions for his upcoming administration. we will bring you the latest nomination and how they could balance the power of the next congress. good morning. it is "morning joe." along with joe, willie, and me, we have jonathan lemire. u.s. special correspondent for bbc, katty kay. and co-founder and ceo of accessious, jim -- >> look at them. this is gehrig and ruth and the

one who played well for the yankees. let's get into this arizona race. >> yeah. >> because it's pretty remarkable thing about arizona right now. >> yeah. and also reveals that this election election, it's multilayered. >> nbc news can project democratic congressman ruben gallego will take the seat of retiring independent senator krysten sinema. he will be the latest to represent arizona in the u.s. senate. at this hour, one race still to be called. republicans control the senate 52 seats for 47. it's worth noting that senate

democratic candidates prevailed in four key battle grounds. to your point, joe, michigan, nevada, and now arizona. all states that trump won. speaking to reporters after his victory speech, gallego explained how he was able to win in a tough cycle for the democrats. >> you have to earn every vote and this is a swing state and there are 300,000 more registered republicans than democrats. i needed to earn the support of all arizonans. i went out and i talked to everybody. i also didn't agree with them all the time and they didn't agree with me all the time but we had respectful conversations and we walked away sometimes with support and not support. but i had to let them know i was talking for them because we had to build some trust.

that is all i would have to say. >> without being decades without electing a democrat to the senate, arizona voters have done so if four successive elections underscoring from the stronghold to the competitive battleground. voters backed miss sinema in 2018. >> there are so many things to talk about here, jim vandehei. they will have democrats up 47% and they win by 47 votes. remember martha mcsally down in double digits and just barely lost her race a couple of years ago? >> yeah. >> mark kelly. the same thing here. carrie lake was down and it ended up being a very tight

race. a couple of things overall. if you're donald trump, it makes the size of your margin in those states even more impressive because he outran democrats in all of these swing states. that is the first thing. the second thing, though, of course, jim, you and i have been around a very long time and we have seen this. first, two, three, four, five days after an election, you have the media's hair on fire saying this was the greatest landslide or more -- this is the greatest defeat the republicans have ever had, or this is the greatest defeat the democrats ever had. you start looking at this. just writing it down, republican senate candidates lost in arizona, they lost in wisconsin, they lost in nevada, they lost in michigan. there were no senate races in georgia for them to lose.

and in north carolina, no senate races for them to lose but there was a governor's race and the democrats won theirs. so the democrats won in every major swing state race they could win by in a year that donald trump just -- just ran the board in all of these swing states in a way that wasn't even close. i'm curious. again, there is so much here. it's fascinating. >> yeah. >> what do you also make of how progressive gallego was? very progressive member of the house, winning in a state like arizona who, again, we quoted "the times," now elected four democrats in a row. >> yeah. i think, listen. donald trump has claimed, i think you called it an unprecedented mandate. you can claim a mandate whether you win by one vote or you win

by 100 million. i think democrats looking at the results, obviously, trump performed fabulous in almost every single state and district. vice president harris way underperformed and that was the stroller of the election. what you're talking about here it goes back to we live in a 50/50 country. we have since 2000. we basically have a changed election every single period and what you're seeing in michigan and what you're seeing in wisconsin and arizona is that 50/50 dynamic and you see politicians who are able to divorce themselves from biden and harris, because they are not necessarily seen as, quote, unquote, the federal government. they are trying to focus on topics that people in arizona care about, people in wisconsin care about. so when democrats are doing their autopsy, i don't know. maybe i would look at the candidates who are winning, figure out what are they talking about, what are they not talking about and that is probably the road map for them to get back in power in the off-year elections. >> it's a brilliant insight.

look, willie, at what the swing state democrats were talking about and what they were not talking about and how they won. but, you know, this is always -- it's always come down to the power of the presidential candidate, right? it's, like, you know, when ronald reagan got elected -- i know i've said this a lot, but it bears repeating, given this news -- reagan was there and republicans were like, hey, we have got a new coalition. no. ronald reagan had the coalition. it was not transferable. then bill clinton won for eight years. and then barack obama gets elected. we are like the obama majority, it's for the democrats, the rise of the ascendent. no. that was barack obama's majority. that was barack obama's mandate. and here we have the same thing

with donald trump who uniquely goes in and wins working class voters and wins the type of voters that democrats always want. people are going, oh,, you know, they go, this is the new trump coalition and it's going to rule for a thousand -- no! it is specific to donald trump. is not transferable. a lot of people thought hillary clinton could be bill clinton. she couldn't be bill clinton because that was a unique set of political skills. so you take reagan, you take obama, you take clinton, and now you take donald trump. they have a unique set of skills and this is not transferable. the fact that republicans -- we will put it in a positive sense. the fact that democrats won in arizona with a very progressive candidate, one in wisconsin, one in nevada, one in michigan.

the senate races, one in north carolina in the gubernatorial race. again, a whack job, of course. but they won all of these swing states. i guess in these major races, they are undefeated in swing states because they weren't senate races in georgia or north carolina and dave mccormick, of course, dave mccormick is the one exception to the rule. dave mccormick, as we have said on this show time and time again is a really strong candidate and he would have won two years ago if donald trump would have endorsed him then. any way i know i'm going on a lot. but this is really sort of looking back and sort of the second look at what happened last week and this was not a republican landslide. this was a trump sweep. >> it was a trump sweep. when we say it was an overwhelming victory, we are talking about his sweep of the

swing states which was overwhelming and decisive and no way diminishing what the next four years could look like under donald trump. it is his washington at least the next two years and we will see his appointments roll out and get into that, what it means for immigrants and what it means for women and you can do down the list. to your point, we have all heard the panic. i heard it yesterday i was there at the parade and people were panicked and i get that and some of it is well-founded. donald trump is winning now about 3 million votes and the same margin hillary clinton beat him in 2016 in the popular vote. if you look inside these swing states and everyone says what happened to the polling? they all finish effectively, except for arizona, as margin of error races. i'll go through them. wisconsin, donald trump won by less than one point. michigan, he won by a point and a half. nevada, by two points. pennsylvania, by two points.

georgia, by two points. north carolina, by three points. then arizona, 5 1/2 points. why do i say? because it was overwhelming in the sense he won these states but if you actually look who voted and he vote total this was, in fact, as we have been saying for months and months, an incredibly close race. not by the electoral vote count. he won that widely and the swing states impression. if you want to take a deep breath, this was a close race and the fight is still on if you're a democrat. >> no doubt about it, and you look at arizona. it is fascinating. like seven-point swing between donald trump five-point victory and ruben gallego's two-point victory. you're right. so much it has to do with the candidate. he is the his hispanic is not in the state of arizona and he is a veteran. hispanic men voted for him in

much higher numbers than they voted for kamala harris, so a lot of different things going. katty kay, if you're donald trump this morning and you're seeing this news, this just seems to strengthen your hand with republicans in the organizing caucus going, listen. you guys can't win these -- and women, you can't win these swing states. you lost in michigan. you lost in wisconsin. you lost in north carolina. gubernatorial race. you lost in arizona. you lost in nevada. i won all of those states. it seems to me as he organizes republicans and he starts saying, this is who you should pick as your majority leader and this is what you should do in the house, it seems to me it only strengthens donald trump's hard. >> kari lake rand as a mini-me trump.

she appeared with him whenever she could and denied the results of the 2020 election and her 2022 run for the governorship of arizona and did the classic trump things and ran on the issue of abortion, was super pro federal ban. then ran back from that. she still couldn't make it because she -- i spent time with her. she is a skilled political operative but she is not donald trump. i think that is the message to the republican party from trump is this is my party and you need to do things my way. now, what his way is, we are still going to have to find out because it will depend on more of these appointments being actually confirmed. but he has taken over the party and it doesn't mean -- i think you're right. as the democratic party now goes into its kind of autopsy of 2024, it has to think it has to fight the battle 2028.

take donald trump out of the picture. what are the trends what we have seen from 2016, 2020 and 2024 the groups the democrat irparty has been losing and why. and work on that rather than think we got to fight this candidate again because he is not going to be there in 2028. >> another takeaway election denialism is nontransferable. voters did not hold against donald trump that he never conceded 2020, that he never act -- acknowledged that he lost. the big candidates that ran in the 2022 terms, they all lost. now we have kari lake losing again. some voters simply don't want to tolerate that it seems unless it comes from trump, some republicans. but you're right. there are some silver linings for democrats. they are able to win in these battleground states. nevada, too, as well as arizona, michigan, wisconsin. those are candidates who tailored their messages to their

individual states defying some of the larger national trends. you know, pennsylvania hasn't been called yet. it does look like it's going to republican and that is important, too. that would give them 53 seats in the senate which allows trump and the republicans to, you know, lose susan collins occasionally, lose lisa murkowski occasionally and still be able to get things done. those are the two republicans for now we think would defy the white house and that is important as we get in later as appointments are starting to roll out and, later on, we also this week republicans picking a senate majority leader. threw some building blocks here for democrats as that party autopsy well under way here just a week since the election. >> yeah. jim vandehei, democrats are look at arizona and, i think, take solace from the fact they won senate races in a row and after not winning any in a long time.

let's talk about the the swing states that the republicans won in the senate races and that is pennsylvania. man, but the big siren on top of pennsylvania because it seems, if you look at party registration over the last couple of years, to be going the way that iowa first went, then ohio, and now that seems to be moving eastward toward pennsylvania that is getting more and more republican by the day. we will see if that trend keeps going. if the trend keeps going like it did over the last year or stwo, pennsylvania may, in four years look like florida does now which is once a swing state, now about as deep red as crimson red as you can get. >> maybe. it is a swing state. it was a very close result. dave mccormick was a good candidate and not a first-time candidate and had a lot of money and working in his advantage. a big outcome for trump but they had to pour a lot of time and where elon musk camped out where

he put his own money and time into the race and they were able to sqep it out and what democrats have to figure out. map is changing and the country is changing. i think what katty kay was saying you have to look at what are the shifts. it looks like it moved to the right on immigration. does the party move with it or does it double down on its roots? those questions will be figured out in the time to come. but you look at that map. you just -- going back to what trump did and i don't think you can give him enough credit for doing what none of us thought possible in kind of defying logic state after state and district after district. i think think appraisal has to be clear what the hell just happened? why are big cities that were so blue going towards trump? there is a reason there and you can figure it out. if you want solace, you find solace in knowing you probably have a pretty good chance at winning back the house in two years if you look what has been

happening in a 50/50 country over the last 24 years. but that only happens if you really come together as a party, have a coherent theology and you're able to articulate in a way that resonates with people who are persuadable. that is the lesson. when there is angst, they have change and i think change elections correlating with social media when makes people anxious, there is probably a reason there. >> okay. so just to note that pennsylvania senate race has not been officially called by nbc news but, obviously, the numbers looking really good for dave mccormick there. let's take a look at the the other stories making headlines this morning. china is rolling out its latest fight jet in an effort to match the most aircraft used by the u.s. military. beijing is investing in latest

tech and having partners like russia. a crew member was injured when gunfire hit a spirit airlines flight to haiti yesterday. the company says the plane was diverted to the dominican republic. separately, a jetblue aircraft turned up evidence that it, too, had been struck by a round. the state department advises against travel to the caribbean nation amid a wave of violence and instability. bitcoin topped $87,000 yesterday for a new record high. the crypto currency surged over 28% in the last week alone. bitcoin stood at just over $5,000 at the start of the pandemic. investors are feeling bullish after the election of donald trump who has pledged to make the u.s. the crypto capital of the planet.

still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> does this mean i have to figure it out? it looked like -- i -- i even read "the new york times" special section on sunday a couple of years ago when i was trying to explain what crypto was so relevant. like i don't get it. >> i want to read it again. >> i was tom hanks in "big." i don't get it. i don't think it but it looks like i need to get it. >> we will see. coming up on "morning joe," elon musk was one of the donald trump's surge at-bats on the campaign trail. we will talk about what kind of role and influence the spacex founder might have in trump's new administration. one of our next guests says that president biden should prioritize the civilian population of gaza in the final weeks of his term. "the washington post" david ignatius joins us with more on that. you're watching "morning joe." we are back in 90 seconds. we are back in 90 seconds.

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protection agency. he was criticized by his lack of experience in that area. it requires senate approval. donald trump has asked republican congressman mike waltz of florida to be his national security adviser. waltz is a green beret who served in afghanistan, the middle east, and africa. known for hawkish views on china. as a member of the house china task force he says the u.s. is underprepared if there is a conflict in the region. waltz also criticized usa to ukraine and arguing russian president vladimir putin should be brought to the negotiating table for, quote, a diplomatic resolution to end the war there. waltz's role as national security adviser does not require senate confirmation. a lot in there. back to senator rubio. the trump team has not made that announcement official but many media outlets, including ours,

report he will be the choice. we know donald trump doesn't like a leak before the announcement so we can wait. if it is marco rubio, john and i were talking. i wouldn't call it celebration inside the biden administration but relief it's at least a guy who is in the senate who has experience in this area. >> well, who is in the senate, who ran the intel committee, who knows the issues. regardless of all political stuff, regardless of the very mixed background he and donald trump have had together, if you're -- i'm sure david ignatius will confirm this very soon, but he is a hawk. he is a real hawk on china. he is a hawk on venezuela. he is a hawk on cuba. he was a hawk on russia throughout his senate career. now he is saying, of course, what the incoming national security adviser is saying, jonathan lemire, and that is that they need to sit down.

ukraine needs to sit down with russia and they need to figure out a way to bring this war to an end. before people say that is too radical, of course, i mentioned time and time again that the top pentagon person told me the top general at the pentagon told me in february of last year, this is not -- you know, these lines are not going to move and, at some point, we have to figure out how to negotiate an end to this war, even though we can't say it publicly right now and that is what marco rubio and congressman waltz are saying right now. i think the big difference, if it's a biden administration that is negotiating that deal, then it says, okay, ukraine is going to have to give up land in return and will get protection from the united states and membership in to nato eventually. i don't know that you're going to get that from the trump

administration but that is the big question mark overall of this. >> first to your first point. there has been widely belief behind closed doors in w. that some sort of negotiations win and begin in the russia/ukraine war. there will be some sort of table where the two sides will meet. senator rubio did vote against -- he is one of the 15 republican senators who voted against the last wave of u.s. aid to ukraine, although he was supportive more in the past. certainly, the i coming national security adviser is also skeptical of the u.s. continuing to fund the war effort. donald trump, himself, is that. but to willie's point earlier. i heard from a number people within the biden administration, other foreign policy leaders, who also all sort of said almost in one voice, quote, it could have been worse in terms of the rubio pick, that he is a senator, he does have some

national security credentials, he has been a believer in nato. of course, he is going to serve at the pleasure of the president and carry occupy trump's agenda but he is at least something of a reassuring figure. also, it's just who doesn't get that job? the ric grenell and cash patell of the world and real fire brands of the right of mago world who were concerned might be put in the foggy bottom post. they may get a big job elsewhere. obviously, the fbi and cia and attorney general, those posts all still empty. we did see stephen miller going back to the white house and deputy chief of staff in a role with huge powers. at least for this, joe and mika, at least a sense that the rubio pick is a signal that there might be at least some grown-ups in the room. >> let's bring in right now to talk about columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," david

ignatius. i would say big concern for not only washington but people around the world who love america are and allies of america, they are hoping that there aren't flies put in this position people going on podcast and saying the most outrageous things. obviously some people that have been put in positions that are going to cause concerns. you look at chief of staff, susie wiles. she worked in the reagan administration and she has worked for republicans for years now. mike waltz, green beret. marco rubio, somebody you know has vast experience in foreign policy and intel community. so i'm curious your take on the picks thus far and specifically on the incoming national security adviser and the possible incoming secretary of

state. >> joe, my sense is similar to yours and i think the general reaction. these people are in the group of experience bipartisan national security figures, each in congress was known for working across the aisle. if i were to sum up the sort of winners and losers overseas from these picks, i think it's bad news for ukraine. these are people who say it's time to end the war, it's time for the united states to stop spend as much money. it's probably good news for russia because trump's desire to do a deal with russia on ukraine is one of the strongest themes he expressed through the campaign. both of these people can help them do that because they have credibility overseas. it's bad news for china. these are two strong china hawks. if there is one theme that comes

through each of their foreign policy statements the last couple of years is really about china's rearmament. then i think, finally, we will have to wait and see what this means for europeans. the question i've had is whether trump, this time around, is going to want to be more successful as a president working with allies. you know, he just really botched a lot of our key relationships. he is going to work harder with the europeans to be a leader of nato as opposed to a disrupter and a destroyer of nato? i think nato is ready to follow a path toward negotiations on ukraine. there is a general sense that the time has come in this war, this terrible bloody war, to seek some compromise. that was coming whether harris won or biden won, in my view. i think it's generally, you know, more responsible, respectable, if you can say that, than you might have

thought. on domestic policy, trump is going to do what he said he would on border issues in particular. you look at tom homan. you know that is so. stephen miller is back so you know that is so. foreign policy? i don't want to say establishment because they are not that but they are more in the mainstream of foreign policy. >> right. >> advisers than i would have thought. >> yeah. to david's point about diagram advisers, willie, donald trump ran on mass deportation over and over and over again:yeah. >> so no one should be shocked by who he is selecting on the domestic posts where he is going to do exactly what he said he was going to do. >> yeah. tom homan is bringing back in. he had him in that first administration. he has been very clear as mr. homan will be under the title of border czar about the plans to go in and take criminals who are here illegally and remove them

from where they are in the united states and send them back to their country of original. he is very explicit what is he going to do and effectively close the border as well. katty, i think some of these choices that washington has been heartened by a few of the names with those openings and still some concerns about the openings left out there but we know this about establishment figures in washington, they bend to the will of donald trump and the republican party and they believe with a win he got a week ago today, that he is in charge. they are there to execute his vision. even an establishment republican is going to do what donald trump tells him or her to do. >> yeah. whatever elon musk might be thinking in mar-a-lago, it is donald trump who won the election and he is the one that is going to be calling the shots. you're right. marco rubio, well-known people in the foreign policy circles and seen as david said as more orthodox choices.

i'm surprised by the degree of planning that seems to be going already with ukraine. some people i've spoken to have been close to former president trump saying, look, we are down to issues like the nuclear facilities that are currently in areas that russia might hold. president-elect trump believes they should be in ukrainian territory and what is the kind of security guarantees the west might be able to give ukraine in exchange for giving up effectively about 20% of its land. maybe it's not nato. who knows what nato is going to look like. maybe it's coming from the european union. so those kinds of discussions clearly taking place and quite a developed stage. the other question for me will be -- you mentioned allies, joe and allies in europe have not been treated particularly well by donald trump in the past. the biden administration has put a lot of effort in shoring up america's allies in asia as a counter point to china. does that effort continue? do we see the same kinds of outreach to philippines and

japan the biden administration has, or will the blanket tariffs apply to all allies? in which case that might make those alliships more card when you're having a -- against china which is what this team looks like. >> it's interesting, jonathan lemire. i don't think you'll have the biden team talk about what they have been doing will fit with what the new trump team is going to do or vice versa. but you look at what happened during the biden administration, not only on -- we are talking about the strengthening of nato but the strengthening of our alliance around china under biden has been actually pretty spectacular, starting with australia and going north. you had south korea and japan coming to a deal. japan talking about spending more money in defense. look what we have done in the philippines and guam and look what we have done, again, all around china, the china sea.

that is something that, obviously, has strengthened america's positioning around china. all of the presidents in the century talking about the asia pivot and joe biden did that. now hawks coming in for donald trump, that would be a pretty effective one-two punch and limiting china's expansion. >> eclipse in the china headlines and in the middle east with our allies in asia. although they won't give them any credit, i think some on the trump team will build off of that. it's different than eight years ago. there is no parade of characters, no auditions walking through trump tower then or mar-a-lago now. at least not yet. trump is acting with real speed. he is getting these names out there much quicker than he did last time around. he is also prioritizing people he knows. these are either veterans of the

first administration or it's two states in particular. they are from new york or they are from florida. these, of course, his to two home states. that is where he is returning to to fill out his roster at least for now. jim vandehei, one name hovering over all of this is elon musk. he is seen golfing with trump and hanging out there at dinner. it's not clear whether he'll get some sort of formal title or not. what is the sense as to your hearing as to what role he could play? and will they be able to coexist? if there is one truism about donald trump, he likes to be the only star in the sky. elon musk, well, he is someone used to that role as well. how do we see this in the months ahead? >> i think it's one of the most interesting and important stories that has been unfolding the last month is this fusion between musk and donald trump. mike allen and i write about it

in today's "behind the curtain" column. musk has been at mar-a-lago almost from election day through now. he is intimately involved in picking the cabinet. he is one of the few people sitting in this make-shift situation room that they built in mar-a-lago where trump is looking at tv screens to look at the different portfolios of candidates for these jobs. he sits in on calls with world leaders. he is going to create some group that sits outside of government that advises on how to try to save a trillion or $2 electrical. he claims, i think harder than said, but that is going to be part of his portfolio. we have not seen an alliance like this, when you can combine politics with information. like i really believe politics flows downstream from information and now you have more than half of the country getting its information from nontraditional sources and elon musk sits at the center of that. you take government and you take information and you have a very, very powerful alliance. th it's the most important

story, it probably sits with what david ignatius talked about, this idea of a new right and, at the same time, putting together a team that has is hell bent on confronting china and good reason. china is one nation that has the manpower and the money to be an existential threat to the united states and only country that can probably convene in act sis of evil that would threaten the u.s. and those early signs i think point to the importance of china and musk in the early days. >> jim vandehei, thanks so much. we will get into david ignatius' column in one minute. i want to talk about with him about china. i will say our only competition right now is china. >> right. >> even though we have gone past them the past four years, you know, we talk about russia with 1.4 trillion and maybe 1.7

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♪♪ time for the must read opinion pages. a guest essay for "the new york times" i'm the governor of kentucky here is how democrats can win again, andy beshear writes, in part, quote. we do this through policy and by taking direct action that gets results. the democratic party must show

the american people that it cares about creating a better life for each and every american and re-earn the public's trust about its focus and its direction. none of this means we abandon important values and principles. earning trust and showing people you care about them also requires that we talk to people like normal human beings. so while others are talking about political strategy and messaging, the way forward is really about focus and about action. and perhaps the best part? these core issues and concerns aren't partisan in addressing them helps democrats and republicans alike. that is a path forward for both the democratic party and for this country that we love. >> yeah. >> the question i would have is what in this democratic presidential campaign, of what

andy beshear wrote there was not included? kamala harris had a plan for housing and a plan for the economy. i'm not defending at this point because donald trump but what is andy beshear saying that democrats are not doing? >> talk like normal people and act like normal people. i think washington democrats -- >> what be about andy beshear wrote and joe biden didn't dough? >> joe biden had a hard time communicating with people. the thing is david ignatius, as you know in politics, it's so important. if you can get out and put your hand on somebody's shoulder and say talk to me. what are you going through? how can i help? you i've seen if first-hand. best advice i got is go up to people and do just that and say tell me about your life. how can i help you?

what do you need? what is the government not doing? how are they getting in your way as a small business person? the guy said, then shut up. they will talk to you for ten minutes. you write down notes and you turn around and walk away and they will go, that is one of the smartest young men i've ever met in my life. i never forget that, obviously. he told me that 30 years ago. it's that connection. i will say if you're kamala harris and you parachuted down and you got 100 days for a sprint to connect? man, that ain't enough time. it's just not. >> the best person i ever saw at what you're describing was bill clinton. he had a i way of working with people and a felt like my best friend. i felt kamala harris got to be a

better candidate week-by-week throughout the campaign and she was most comfortable and more grateful and she spoke better but it was not enough time and, frankly, there wasn't a enough message to impart. you can't just glad hand people and look like a look candidate on the stage. it takes something more direct. but it will be fascinating. i think having beshear come out of the box with a very clear statement that says basically, i want to be in the conversation going forward. that is a good sign for democrats, you know, hiding and blaming themselves and wondering what they did wrong, that can go on only so long. >> right. willie, we have talked about who won those swing states. you had in wisconsin, a senator tammy baldwin who had been there before and people knew her. when things got rocky and people were throwing stuff at her, she

won. voters new slotkin, a congresswoman from michigan. ruben gallego. i said this a billion times. ruben gallego is more progressive than arizona. he shouldn't win, if you look at it on paper. willie, i've said it time and time again and i found this. i was more conservative than a lot of people in my district but a lot of people in my district came up to me after i got elected in four landslide victories and said i don't agree with you on everything and i think you're way too conservative on a lot of issues, but i know you and i know you're going to fight for us and i know that i can trust you, that what you said, you know, how you're going to vote is how you're going to vote and i can do it. that is the sort of thing that, you know, all of these candidates the ones that we are talking about, they had that connection with voters in those swing states. kamala harris had again maybe

100 days and if she had been campaigning since january or february, i guarantee you, some of these issues that really got to her -- again, we are talking about one transad $30 million worth, she would have had a year, she would have had nine months. at some point, wait. hold on. that was your policy. i know she said that in the debate but you got to say it more than once. are these other issues where they went after her, she would have campaigned in new hampshire, she would have seen first-hand just the impact of inflation on working class americans and you develop throughout a campaign. you can't do that in a hundred days. >> yeah. who knows that may not have helped her either and this may have been donald trump's year in 2024 and perhaps maybe given her a better shot. let's not forget when joe biden won in 2020, he won that primary among democrats and won the

election because he was seen the centrist. he said we are not tearing down statues of george washington and not defund the place and that was joe biden saying those things. he was attached to a lot of that successfully by donald trump and others. yes, many prominent members of the party heard those things and hurt kamala harris down the stretch and including herself in 2019 some of the things she said but to governor's beshear's point, i think what is he talking about there looks more like joe biden running in 2020 when he won. so keeping some of that and trying to expand, i guess, is their goal here. david ignatius, let's turn a bit to your new piece in "the washington post" titled the following. david writes in his piece, quote, the reality is that right now there is no clear israeli american or u.n. plan for supporting the social needs of a

desperate population. for the biden team getting israeli cooperation has been like pulling teeth as one official put it. in the first days of the war blinken spent hours pleading with netanyahu to begin aiding civilians and trickle of aid started to flow but in january israeli protests blocked relief shipments through the shalom crossing and police did nothing. last week, netanyahu fired gallant who had been the administration's most reliable israeli contact. biden has demanded israeli action and set a timetable for netanyahu to deliver. words don't matter any more. it's a last test for the outgoing president. if israeli doesn't take immediate measures to protect civilians in gaza, the united states is legally bound to stop supplying weapons for a war that should have ended months ago. david, do you think there is a chance that that happens in the final months of the biden administration? >> well, i certainly hope so, willie. as i said in the piece, this is

a last chance for biden to do something significant in his middle east legacy. put a lot of time in the middle east and he struggled and struggled to get the cease-fire and hostage release deal in gaza and didn't happen and probably not going to happen. there are things he can require the israelis to do on the humanitarian front. when i say require, there is a piece of legislation that says the united states cannot sell weapons to countries that do not observe our standards, international standards on human rights issues, humanitarian issues. that is the issue that has come to the fore after a letter that secretary of state blinken, secretary of state and the secretary of defense lloyd austin sent a months ago to israeli saying unless you make improvement on these 15 steps to make life better for palestinians and civilians in gaza, we are going to consider, under our legal obligations,

withholding military aid. that is coming to a head this week. i wanted to alert readers to that fact. but more broadly, this is a terrible tragedy. the level of human suffering in gaza when you look at the pictures, when you talk to people, it's just extraordinary and i know -- i just want to say one last thing. i know from my conversations with senior officials in the biden administration how painful, how wrenching this has been, to see this suffering, to want to do something about it and to have been unsuccessful. here is a time for a last push and my sense is that something that the biden team would be proud of if they can make progress. >> it's something they just have to do. the conditions have been savage in gaza for so long now. of course, you talked to many people in gaza and you had news reports and they do blame hamas as well because hamas basically held the entire region hostage, along with the hostages that are

underground. but that doesn't alleviate any of the suffering that has gone on in gaza. it's gone on far, far too long and here is hoping the biden administration steps in as forcefully they can come the closing months and help in any way they can. katty, i want to do a post-script here, sort of a looking back on this issue of israeli, because what we have heard all along is, oh, biden and harris were too weak on israeli and the jews are voting for donald trump. we hear this every four years. donald trump moved the embassy to jerusalem and biden got 22% of the vote in 2020. this year after the talk we have heard from time and time again, colleagues and other people telling me, oh, jews are not voting for harris, they can't

stand harris. i looked this up really quickly, "times" of israeli quoted the national election pool, which is the largest exit polling firm, 79% of jews voted for harris. nbc news put that number, the exit poll 78% of jews voted for harris. donald trump fared in the fox news exit a.p. polls, 66% of jews voted for harris. but it's probably by the time they get everything together, it will end up where it always is which we have said on this show before, it's usually 71, 72, 73% of jews vote for the democratic candidate year in and year out. the only exception to that is ronald reagan in 1980 got 40% of the jewish vote. >> jewish women in particular, i think, were the second biggest voting block for kamala harris. the democrats can still rely on

the support of jewish voters. this time around -- because america is still seen as the friend of israeli and joe biden flew there right after the attacks of october last year and he embraced netanyahu and while there has been friction there, it's certainly the case that joe biden has stood by the israeli government more so than arab american voters in michigan would have liked. they were the surprising voting bloc for donald trump when you look at the dearborn area the number of arab americans who didn't stay home and 80% of them voted for jill stein. when he came in in 2016 what he said he wanted to do, he wanted to ban people coming from -- they were prepared to vote for donald trump as a protest vote. still ahead on "morning joe," democratic congressman

seth moulton says his party has a serious problem when it comes to having real honest conversations about tough issues. the marine corps veteran joins us to discuss how that may have played a role in the election. "morning joe" is back in a moment. the election. "morning joe" is back in a moment

our military right now, laura, is a disaster. absolutely disaster. we couldn't beat anybody right now. we have got some good people in the military but the structure of it, the things we have done,

the democrats have destroyed it. >> that is just the dumbest thing i've ever heard. i can't say it's the dumbest thing i've heard in my life because i've heard a lot of dumb things coming out of washington, d.c. before. but our military is stronger, relative to the rest of the world. than any time since world war ii. david ignatius, i need to go to you on this one. when i talk to foreign leaders, when i talk to defense officials in other countries, when i talk to ambassadors from other countries, they will be the first to say that the united states is -- our filth military feared around the world because of our massive, massive military advantage and our massive technology cal advantage and our massive advantage as far as the men and women who wear the uniform. i have no idea why anybody would

be disrespectful of our men and women in uniforms on veterans day in any case. but especially in this case when our military is as powerful as it is, david. >> so, joe, on veterans day, it is a perfect time to remember just how overwhelmingly dominant the u.s. military is around the world. i travel observe with them. i have a chance to see close up the extraordinary level of training, of command and control, military struggling to adapt to the most modern technologies but beginning that process and i hope making some advances. i'll just make one point about the new announcements that we have coming out today on veterans day for the trump national security cabinet. these are people who know the military well and have deep confidence in it. and if one of the fears that

people had the last couple of weeks was trump might radically disrupt the military, might undermine the command and control structure the way he tried to do at the end of his first term, i think those fears ought to be lessened. mike waltz is a serious committed, widely respected, former special operations command officer. marco rubio has worked on the intelligence committee closely with the chairman, the democrat mark warner, for years. these are people who are not going to go out hammering and attack the basic institutions that keep our country safe. for me maybe the biggest takeaway this morning is we are going to have people who are respectful of the institutions of power that we celebrate on veterans day. >> at the risk of giving too much oxygen to senator tuberville, let's not forget as complains and demeans the u.s.

military, this is a man who spent one year holding your the nominations of general and flag officers, more than 400 of them, the leadership of our military and now complaining about the leadership of the military. >> thank you for that point. jonathan lemire and katty kay still with us. now mike barnicle joins the conversation as well. good to have you, mike. "the new york times" has a new feature entitled devastated democrats play the blame game and stare at a dark future. they interview several democratic lawmakers what went wrong lead to go vice president kamala harris's defeat last tuesday. democratic congressman seth moulton of massachusetts spoke to the times suggesting his party should shift its approach to transgender issues. >> shift its approach on transgender issues. >> yes. saying, quote, democrats spend way too much time trying to not

to offend anyone rather than this brutally honest about the challenges many americans face. i have two little girls, i don't want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or a former male athlete. as a democrat, i'm supposed to be afraid to say that. over the weekend, congressman moulton responded to backlash he has received for those comments, including a call from tufts university's department saying they didn't want students to interview for his office. a "the new york times" article last week i shared my bleven that our party has no problem preaching down to those we disagree with but a serious problem having real, honest conversations about tough issues. i shared several examples with the reporter, including my authentic concerns about

transgender women participating in competitive athletics. unfortunately, the backlash has only served to reinforce my original point. >> let's bring congressman moulton to join us. we have said it for years here that nobody should be scapegoated, that we should show compassion and love and understanding to those who are growing as kids, who especially going through difficult times and we should lend our support to them and we don't want anybody isolated. we have been saying that for years. but i remember several years ago saying on this show that a male who transitions after puberty should not compete against young women, young girls, for a variety of reasons. and i cited a pugh poll, right? i hope the side of the polyside

department or from tufts wrote that about you, they need to understand that 85% of americans agree with that. that doesn't make them hit mongers. this doesn't make sense. there is a reason why the trump campaign spent $30 million on one ad that they played repeatedly on nfl games that wasn't answered about taxpayers paying for transition surgery for inmates. now i'm sorry. if you're offended by the fact that 90% of americans say that just doesn't make sense, then maybe you will never understand why that issue, why the border issue, why the crime issue, why all of these other issues to defund the police as james carville said, all of these things added up. by the way, on the issue, in particular, i wonder if they will disinvite maureen dowd to

their campus because she made the same point you made in her "the new york times" op-ed on sunday. >> this is actually the policy of the olympics as well. so maybe tufts kids are not allowed to compete in the olympics. >> not only can they not compete in the olympics, maybe they shouldn't be able to intern or work for any olympic committee. >> right. imagine if one of these tuft students actually wants to intern in a republican office? i mean, what would these political science professors do then? this is just everything that is wrong with this cancel culture. look. we are going to be fine. we always have way more applicants for internships that we have slots from all kinds of universities. but this really hurts the tufts students. the tufts student who want to just be able to have debates, who want to be able to have different views. so when people like this in our party try to cancel me or whoever else, they are also

talking down and they are cancelling the views of a vast majority of americans. and so how on earth are we going to win elections if that is our approach that we just want to preach down to people and tell them they are morally wrong if they don't meet some strict ideological conversation? >> you can't have a straight conversation why democrats lost. they concerned absolutely nothing. they are cancelling the united states congressman. >> not cancelled here. >> i'm not worried about it. i'll be just fine. i'll be just fine. but, i mean, you know, the founders had this crazy concept called freedom of speech. >> right. >> we democrats would do well to remember that foundational american value because if we can't talk about these tough issues, we never will win on them. guess what. you know who will get hurt the most? it's transkids .

>> exactly. >> and minorities across the america hit by this hurtful trump agendas and if we don't have a reactal response then the democrats will not carry the day. harris did not have a response on this issue because she was so afraid to raise it. as a result, trump pressured on it. >> right. what is the response and what is the problem with it? because i'm, obviously -- there is reason that sports is divided between women and men. there is women's basketball. there is men's basketball. et cetera, et cetera, down the line, right? so why is it hard to say that two things can be true? i don't support transgender female competing against my daughter, having transitioned from a male, because of biology and because it crosses biologic support transgender people. is this not okay to say?

i don't understand. >> i keep going back to what the governor of utah said, congressman, which is, he said, come on. we got a handful of kids. let's show compassion and let's figure this out. >> did i just get cancelled? >> that is all we are talking about. if we have the discussion, if there is not this cancellation, immediate cancellation, you have a discussion. you work through the problems and you get to a point where, you know, maybe both sides aren't happy but i've never seen a mediation where people leave where both sides are happy. >> most importantly for democrats right now, we get to a point where we have views that are more in touch with the majority of americans which means we can start winning elections again. and when we get to congress in january and the republicans control every level of power in washington from supreme court to the white house, the senate and the house, we actually have a chance with rational policies that are in line with the views of most americans of winning over some republican votes to prevent the most harmful aspects

of the trump agenda, which absolutely will attack transkids and minorities and other across america who deserve our support, who are only going to find support in the democratic party today. that is why i'm so proud to be a democrat and why my voting record in chronic and my long history of advocacy, including being the leading voice in congress for getting gay veterans the rights they deserve when they get out of the military or were pushed out of the military. i mean, i have those positions because i'm so proud to be a democrat and proud to be the party that stands up for civil rights. but if we can't even stand up for civil discourse, then we are just going to keep losing elections and a lot of people in america are going to get hurt. >> congressman, good morning. great to have you with us. obviously, this election and donald trump's sweep of the swing states, although many as we said earlier were still close early in line with the polling is much more about the one trans-sports ad and one trans -prisoner ad that had kamala

harris in her own words. if you look through the data and urban areas even in detroit and boston and philly that people move toward donald trump in ways they haven't previously, how are you diagnosising this? where do you begin as a democrat to say this is where we get ourselves out of the wilderness. what are the steps? >> we listen and less preaching and listening to american voters. i raised the trans-issue one example of an issue where democrats are out of touch. and if you look at, you know, our views on the economy, for example, i mean, we have a good economic plan that will continue to bring down inflation. trump's plan is to put in tariffs and tax cuts for the rich that will clearly raise prices for the majority of americans and, yet, americans don't trust us on the economy. trump has a radical proposal to disrupt millions of american families and communities by

deporting hundreds of thousands of immigrants and if he gets -- if he succeeds in that radical immigration agenda it will be terrible for america but americans trust more on immigration. because we haven't been able to listen to americans and understand them at a culture level. i think a big part of this election was a cultural mismatch and they look at the democratic party and feel we are out of touch. look. the same people trying to cancel me trying to raise this debate on a variety of issues are the same folks who said there is no problem at the border, we can ignore it. they are the same people who attacked me when i said biden should step down as one of the first members of congress to do so to give us a chance in this election. these are the same people told us to defunds the police. if the radical left continues to define the democratic party, then we are just going to keep continuing to lose.

so we got to have these debates. that is the first thing we do and we start by listening to americans. >> mike barnicle, this isn't monday morning quarterbacking. this is stuff we have been talking about for years. willie and i, time and time again, have been talking about the smash and grab in california, the ability that people are able to steal up to $1,000 of merchandise and not even be charged with a felony. we talked about the insanity of those laws, the insanity of the so-called criminal justice reform that only made americans less safe. it only devalued property rights. and we can look at the stats like inflation and see that inflation has gone down and groceries cost more today than four years ago. we look at the stats and see that crime goes down and people still going to cvs or walgreens and seeing in a lot of places like new york, you know, you've got toothpaste and mouthwash

locked up! because shoplifting is such a problem. they are like, wait. what is going on? and it's the same thing with the border. i remember talking about the open border back in '21 and '22 and people freaking out. you can't tell people there is not a problem when there is a problem, whether they n they ca their own eyes there is a problem. we are not just focusing on one problem. it's just underlining the fact that for working class americans, democrats seem out of touch. >> joe, there is a long laundry list of reasons why donald trump did what he did last tuesday and you just mentioned a couple of them. you know? shoplifting in cvs stores and employees are told don't pursue the shoplifter. let them go and let them run. all sorts of things going on which i think caused a lot of people to go to the polls last

week wondering what is happening to our country? we have been talking the several minutes with seth moulton. i picked up the paper and there he was on the front page saying what he said about his two daughters. i looked at it as a father concerned about the safety of his kids in school playing sports. within a few hours, he was asked to resign as a member of congress because of what he said. so, congressman moulton, has that happened and you'll deal with it, i'm sure successfully but a larger issue the past few days and that is the appointment of various people to donald trump's cabinet. and tommy tuberville we had him on talking about the disgrace is the american military. you're a combat veteran, a marine corps combat veteran. you've fought and you've been shot at. what is your position on the people who have been appointed so far, new national security

adviser mike waltz, solid guy, and others and the status of the american military in the world. i know i've been around the globe with the american military. what is your view on the status of the american military today and the national security operation of the incoming administration? >> the american military is strong although one of the serious problems they are dealing with right now is losing basically an entire generation of senior officers due to one man and his name is tommy tuberville, because he held up the appointments of so many officers for so long in the united states congress that a lot of them just quit. and they got out. so i don't think there is a single person who has done more harm to the united states military in the last two years than this one senator who used to be a football coach. so we got to be clear-eyed about who we need to be leading our military. i'll tell you, mike waltz is someone that i have worked with a lot in congress.

we have traveled to the pacific together to try to better understand the china problem. i think he is a straight shooter. he has catered to trump a lot in the last couple of years and i certainly have not agreed with all of the things that he has said, far from it. he is, obviously, been trying to butter himself up to get this position. but i think that he will be a fair-minded national security adviser. and we got to hope for that, frankly. we got to hope for that because a lot of the appointments that trump is making are reckless. this white house is going to be reckless. they are not going to be people like secretary mattis and general john kelly in there to hold the president accountable and prevent him from doing his worst things so we have to count on mike waltz to take their place. >> democratic congressman seth moulton of massachusetts, thank you for being on this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. good to see you. >> take care. coming up on "morning joe," we will talk to another house

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dangerous. if you get up to 50, they can declare your town a jumongy zone. now some have been captured and 18 still on the loose and 19 if you count lindsey graham. >> can we go to missing monkey desk? willie geist is manning it today. the primates come from a research center and doesn't sound ominous at all. >> what is the latest with these furry run-aways? >> in the age of pandemics. only 13 missing now, willie. america turns its lonely eyes to you for reassurance in these troubled times. what can you tell us? >> i confess not being as

prepared as i should be. were they monkeys? >> monkey business. >> i've been handed a memo. they were research monkeys. >> hold on. he will take off his glasses. >> i don't have the glasses, unfortunately. i don't know. do they have diseases? i don't know anything about this story! >> i got it. >> mika has it. >> they are very young females weighing 6 to 7 pounds. each who have never been tested. they don't feel that there is a public health threat but you shouldn't touch them because they will bite you. if you see one, you're supposed to call 911 and we thank the public for their cooperation. >> only three simple guidelines. don't touch them. two, if you them, call moin.91. three, if you're in greater

south carolina, wear a hazmat suit. >> they are cute. >> one of these reesy's monkeys. i grew up in morocco. the monkeys do bite. if you see their teeth, stay away! >> a week later, they brought him back saying wasn't the pet they wanted after all so maybe don't have them as a pet. >> we learn so much here. you and katty have such interesting lives. >> yes. yes. yes. >> joe, you and i were just playing tee ball. >> we were playing tee ball and losing our hamsters in the washing machine and cats drenched with berries. count chocula and that is our

interesting life. >> i didn't have an nintendo. i had an off-brand atari. >> you didn't grow up with a gisele as a pet? >> did you have a gisele, too? >> no. here is the deal. >> morocco. >> saudi arabia, gisele, tick-tock because its tail went tick-tock. >> they may have giseles and monkeys in morocco but not in meridian, mississippi. i had a pet called sandy. we loved sandy. any way! david ignatius, it may be time to raise the threat level here and instead of talking about escaped monkeys, let's talk about china. mika talked last hour that china is expanding their military quickly in several areas, especially in the production of drones. what can you tell us?

and what should the united states government be concerned about? >> i'm so sorry that we are having to change the subject, but. the china threat in high-tech weapons is serious across the board. the chinese are trying to -- chinese wants d me they want to leap over our dominance in the successful weapons system and be able to compete with us, triumph over us in the battlefield of the future. thank goodness the u.s. military is trying to catch up. if there is one thing i would put at the top of the plate for the new trump administration is to think about how to make our military more effective without breaking the bank, to use unmanned systems, to use naval drones, the sorts that have been so overwhelmingly effective for ukraine in the black sea, to think about other kinds of new

weapon systems. and in this regard, i would note that one of the real advantages that trump has is that he has elon musk as an adviser. say what you will about elon musk's views and the way he misused twitter/x. he is a brilliant engineer. elon musk builds things. he builds rockets. he builds cars. he has ways of manufacturing high-tech products the world has never seen. the chis can't begin nese can't up with the united states in a.i., another area that elon musk has jumped in to. in interesting ways, this is a tough time for china. their economy is going south. the chinese really don't know what to do about it and they haven't found a good fix yet. it's a time you got a lot of energy and i take musk as a example. coming into politics and hard to say what their influence would

be. i would just note in the areas that china wants to be competing in, the best in the world is elon musk. >> all right. david ignatius, thank you very much for coming on this morning. here is a look at other stories making headlines. germany is poised to hold snap elections in february after days of infighting following the collapse of the german government last week. the government fell after chancellor schultz fired his finance minister and deep divisions over the new budget. the new election could oust mr. schultz from power. "the new york times" details in a related headline that france and germany are falling victim to the same political forces that helped president-elect trump gain popularity among conservatives and swing voters in the united states. among them, backlash against rapid consumer pricing intris and anger and anxiety over

increased immigration and the rapid erosion of public trust in political elites. mainstream political parties have bled support. katty kay, where have we seen this before? what do you make of this? is there any legitimate effort to counter this? we didn't see, of course here. >> some of the solace for democrats must be of the ten biggest elections that were held this year. all of the incumbents were thrown out of office. we saw in germany the last couple of weeks and forces coming into play in america that we have seen in france and italy and across europe. i think the big question for europe, at the moment, is if america is going to retreat from its european alliances, what europe really needs is a strong security program of its own, some kind of common defense policy. the two countries that would be

most likely to lead that would be germany and france, the two biggest economies in europe. with the french political system weakened, president mack consist ron is weak at home and germany is weakened, the chances of europe being able to come up with a counterweight to donald trump and some kind of america first agenda look increasingly slim. >> all right. coming up, we are going to take a break from politics to talk about taylor swift. our next guest details how swift reinvented pop music in his new book. contributing editor at "rolling stone" rob sheffield is here to explain next on "morning joe." h explain next on "morning joe." ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ woah, limu! we're in a parade. everyone customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates) and then i wake up. and you have this dream every night?

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♪♪ >> announcer: welcome to the acoustic site. ♪♪ >> that is some of the trailer for taylor swift's eras concert tour. her tour is set to wrap up next month. those are the latest records broken by swift in a nearly 20-year career that has seen the superstar become the first person to win four grammy awards for album of the year.

just last week, swift is nominated again making her the first female artist ever to earn seven grammy nominations in that kroir to best album. a new book chronicles the cultural impact of the swift area, "heartbreak is the national anthem." joining us is rob sheffield, the author of that book. she is going to be done with this tour in a couple of weeks and it will be time to step back and think about what she just pulled off on a tour of almost two years doing 40 songs a night, having to stay in these cities for two weeks to accommodate the crowds due to seven, eight shows some of these football stadiums. can you put some of in this perspective? you've listened to and covered music for so long. can you put in to perspective what we are seeing here? >> this is a totally different kind of live show and a different kind of tour. it's so wild how it's ahead of everything else. last year, it was the biggest

grossing tour. it was bigger than number two and number three combined. beyonce and bruce springsteen. taylor was more lucrative than the two of them combined. and it's just a different kind of show. 3 1/2 hours and an emotional roller coaster all the way. and it's completely changed the idea of live performance. >> so what is the connection? how do you describe it and what she has created with her audience that is different than the massive artists you just laid out. it's a deep connection. it's not just younger and older women. men in the audience as well. >> she has the ability to write personal songs that reach you in a personal space, even the stories she is describing doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your life. she writes a lot of songs that are early records of high school romances. i wasn't in high school for those songs. there is a great part during the

eras tour which she has a lot of teen romance songs in an interview. new jersey, are you ready to go back to high school with me? i screamed louder than anyone! i was in grad school when she was born and i was in the tortured poet's department. but i sang along. i felt those songs. sort of the kids around mere who are largely 6, 8, 10 years old, they had not been to high school yet but we all related to those high school stories. >> two things are so striking about her is the authenticity. this is is her and she writes her own stuff and performs. . also how prolific she is. there are so many albums and so many songs. talk to us about those two things help establish a connection with her fan base? >> the idea she has been in the game at the top for 18 years and still just cannot stop putting out new music. when she announced the torture poet's department, it was a shock to think that during the

eras tour, the biggest stadium tour ever, she was making new albums in her spare time. then she releases the album at midnight and two hours later, i have another album to add on to that one. >> mika, and a ther of a couple of teenagers. she writes her own songs and plays the guitar and piano and controls her business. she is the kind of person you want your kid to look up to and fill those stadiums. >> truly. she has boundless energy. rob, i guess you would know, being a student of her work. what is next for taylor swift? >> that is a good question. i've failed trying to predict her next move consistently for 18 years. i always think, well, this would be the rational move. this would be the sensible move and she always goes in another direction, so i don't know what she is going to be but i don't see her slowing down any time

and i see more new music. >> you mentioned you standing up and shouting at a concert and you were surrounding by 8 and 10-year-old kids sometimes. the demographic that she has, it's enormous and people think, well,, you know, 10-year-old or 16-year-old girls, but it is an enormous demographic that she has catered to, served, and prospered over for 18 years. how does she -- how does the demographic grow increasingly with each year seemingly? >> what is really amazing she started out with mostly young girls where her first -- were her first original fans and kept all of those girls as they have grown older and now they are swiftie moms bringing their daughters to the show. she did that and conquered every demographic one by one. when i went to see taylor swift, it was rare to see any adults there when i first saw her.

i was sitting in my chair, i won't be standing up because all little kids around me. then i realized i can't sit up straight in my chair because the kids around me are two feet tall. she has kept that audience and just expanded it as she has gone. >> i talked about what a powerful businesswoman she is. the moment where she decided she needed to re-record all of her music, the scooter braun episode. can you explain -- obviously, financial reasons for it, but why was it so important for her to own the music and to re-record the music so she would own it? and what was that about the back and forth with scooter braun? >> it started out really personal for her. her record company sold her masters and she said, didn't give her a chance to bid on them. that is disputed. but sold it to her worst enemy in the music business. she now would re-record her entire's life work. most people thought this was a

totally empty threat she made at the spur of the moment. even i thought that. i'm willing to admit it. i thought it was a bluff. yet, she followed through and not only got away with re-recording her old albums, but made the release of each one an event. people loved the idea of this adult artist going back and revisiting the self she has been earlier in her life. >> most importantly, she spreads joy which i think we need more of in this world. >> absolutely. >> you've been inside those stadiums. they are exciting experiences. the new book "heartbreak is the national anthem." rob sheffield, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> up next, we will go through ruben gallego's historic win as he is the first democratic latino senator in arizona. and the latest cabinet picks for the trump administration. more "morning joe." administratin more "morning joe.

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early lead. star receiver tyreek hill finally got on the board and he caught a touched pass from tua tagovailoa for his first touchdown since the season opener. dolphins limiting the rams to field goals last week and snapped a three game losing streak with a victory. cleveland cavaliers in the nba are still undefeated. the league's only unbeaten team. in chicago, donovan mitchell leading all scorers with a season high 36 points as the cavs beat the bulls 119-113 and become the eighth team in league history to begin a season with 12 straight wins. it marks the nba's best start since the 2015 golden state warriors opened with a preposterous 24-0 record. i forgot that happened. 24-0? >> incredible! >> that team was great. all right. let's take baseball. major league baseball announced the finalists for the mvp awards. hei ohtani will win.

. a.l. honor in the past. joined in the top three in n.l. voting by the mets francisco lindor and arizona ket lerks, ketet. here is a look american league. aaron judge and bobby witt jr. and juan soto. pittsburgh pirates pitcher paul skenes is in the running for the a.l. cy young award and n.l. rookie of the year award. 22-year-old right-hander out of lsu is the fifth rookie ever to finish among the top three in cy young award voting. mike, can we go back to juan soto? he, obviously, is the prize of this off-season in free agency. now it appears toronto, perhaps, entering the sweepstakes. the yankees and the mets viewed as the leaders but could he really go up to canada? >> well, past experience of

major league baseball players who, you know, are attracted to toronto because of the money they offer, they lose a lot of money in terms of the exchange. american dollar versus canada. and taxes are an issue here. i would think he would end up not going to toronto. i think he is just going to move boroughs in new york and because yankees cannot afford to lose juan soto. >> blue jays were the runner up for ohtani in that sweepstakes a year ago. that is hard to see. never count out the dodgers. they move mookie betts to the infield. well, an outfield spot is open. i agree. likely coming down to the two new york teams. steve cohen, he has all of the resources and it feels like as a player he has to have, but, willie, is this a player the yankees can really let go? in the era of hal steinbrenner, they have a little bit of financial restrain where previously under dad, they did not. can they allow themselves to be

outbit and not only lose juan soto who was so wonderful for them last year and lose him to the cross town rivals? >> they played so close to the first world series title in 15 years and a true fan favorite. if you sit in the right field bleachers, george and i were out there this year. they love the guy. he knows to play with them and he two outs he poise to the -- points to the crowd and he has a relationship with the mets fans. >> he looked great in pinstripes. >> i think at the end of the day, aagent is scott boris who usually takes the biggest offer. last year, boris didn't deliver for his clients and i think the pressure on him this year to get that big win. >> i hope he doesn't go. we need him. >> he needs to go to the mets. >> you're outnumbered. >> that's fair. >> all right. time for a look at the morning papers. we begin in rhode island where the "province journal" reports

his state will not support donald trump's mass deportation plan if it goes into effect. democratic governor dan mckie said rhode island state police will continue to investigate and prevent violence crimes. the agency will not, quote, expend any time and resources to support mass deportation efforts. in maryland, the baltimore sun has a first page feature on high student promotions despite poor attendance records. according to data obtained by the paper, over 4600 elementary and middle scoop students who missed at least 60 days of school during the 2021 to 2022 school year, were allowed to move on to the next grade. at the high school level, about 12% of promoted students had also missed. at least 60 days o school.

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♪♪ the veterans out there that suffer from ptsd, for the single moms working two jobs raising their three kids, for the dads who have to miss bedtime because they want to work extra shift, and for the kids sleeping on the floor, dreaming about a better america and a better future, this victory is for you. thank you, arizona. >> democratic congressman ruben gallego earlier this morning after he was declared the winner of arizona's senate race. we will explain how he managed to prevail in a state donald trump easily flipped in the presidential race. also ahead, donald trump is filling more key positions for his upcoming administration. we will bring you the latest nominations and how they could

impact the balance of power for the next congress. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, november 12th. along with joe, willie and me we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief jonathan lemire, u.s. special correspondent for bbc news katty kay and co-founder and ceo of axios jim vandehei. >> look at them. this is like gehrig, ruth, and the third good dude that played for the '27 yankees. look at that. >> and david ignatius. >> he is coming up. and let's get into this arizona race because this is pretty remarkable about arizona right now. >> yeah. >> and also reveals that this election, well, it's multi-layered. let's just say that. >> nbc news can project democratic congressman ruben

gallego will defeat his republican challenger kari lake in the arizona senate race. gallego takes the seat of retiring independent senator kyrsten sinema, who caucuses with the democrats preventing another gop gain. he will become the first latino to represent arizona in the u.s. senate. at this hour with one race still to be called, republicans control the senate 52 seats to 47. it's worth noting that the senate democratic candidates prevailed in four key battlegrounds. to your point, joe, michigan, nevada, wisconsin, and now arizona. all states that trump won. speaking to reporters after his victory speech, gallego explained how he was able to win in a tough cycle for the democrats. >> you have to earn every vote, and this was a swing state.

there are 300,000 more registered republicans than democrats. i needed to earn the support of all arizonans. and so i went out and talked to everybody and i also didn't agree with them all the time, and they didn't agree with me all the time, but we had respectful conversations. at the end of the day we walked away sometimes with support, sometimes we didn't. but i had to make sure people knew i was out there talking to them and fighting for them, hopefully, at least then we can build sop trust. that's the only thing i would say. >> "the new york times" notes after going decades without electing a democrat to the senate, arizona's voters have now done so in four successive elections underscoring the state's shift from reliable conservative stronghold to competitive battleground. voters backed miss sinema in 2018, picked senator mark kelly in a special election in 2020, and len elected him again in

2022. >> there are so many things to talk about, jim vandehei. let's start out by saying that every poll is going to have democrats up by 47 percent and they are going to end up winning by 47 votes. remember martha mcsally, down double digits and barely lost her race a couple of years ago? mark kelly, the same thing here where kari lake was down eight, ten, 12 points. ended up being a really tight race. but overall, a couple of things. if you are donald trump, this makes -- the size of your march in those states even more impressive because he outran democrats in all of these swing states. that's the first thing. the second thing though, of course, and jim, you and i have been around a very long time and we've seen this, first two, three, four, five days after an election you have the media's

hair on fire saying, this was the greatest landslide, more to the point, the greatest defeat the republicans ever had, or this is the greatest defeat the democrats ever had. you start looking at this. i was writing it down. republican senate candidates lost in arizona. they lost in wisconsin, they lost in nevada, they lost in michigan. there were no senate races in georgia for them to lose. and in north carolina no senate races for them to lose, but there was a governor's race. and the democrats won there. the democrats won in every major swing state race they could win by in a year that donald trump just ran the board in all of these swing states in a way that wasn't even close. what do you think? also, again there is so much here.

it's fascinating. what do you also make of how progressive gallego was? very progressive member of the house, winning in a state like arizona, who again, like we quoted "the times," now elected four democrats in a row. >> yeah, i think, listen, donald trump has claimed i think an unprecedented man indicate. you can claim a mandate whether you win by one vote or 100 million. i think for democrats looking at the results, obviously, trump performed fabulously in almost every single state and district. vice president harris way underperformed. that was really the story of the election. but then what you are talking about here is it goes back to we live in a 50-50 country. we have, since 2000, and we basically have a changed election every single period. what you are seeing in michigan, what you see in wisconsin, what

you see in arizona is that 50-50 dynamic, and you see politicians who are able to divorce themselves from biden and harris because they are not necessarily seen as, quote, unquote, the federal government. they are trying to focus on topics that people in arizona care about, people in wisconsin care about. when democrats are doing their autopsy, i would look at the candidates winning, what are they talking about, what are they not talking about, and that's probably the roadmap to get back into the power in the off-year elections. >> and brilliant insight. look, willie, at what the swing state democrats were talking about, what they were not talking about, and how they won. but, you know, this is always -- it's always come down to the power of the presidential candidate, right? it's like, you know, when ronald reagan got elected, and i know i have said this a lot, but it bears repeating given this news.

reagan was there and republicans were like, hey, we've got a new coalition. no. ronald reagan had the coalition. it was not transferable. bill clinton won it for eight years. then barack obama gets elected and we are like, oh, the obama majority, it's for the democrats, the rise of the ascendent. no. that was barack obama's majority. that was barack obama's mandate. and here we have the same thing with donald trump, uniquely goes in and wins working class voters and wins the type of voters that democrats always won. and people are going, oh, you know, they go, this is the new trump coalition and it's going to rule for a thousand -- no. it is specific to donald trump. it is not transferable. a lot of people thought hillary clinton could be bill clinton. she couldn't be bill clinton,

because that was a unique set of political skills. so, you take reagan, you take obama, you take clinton, and now you take donald trump. they have a unique set of skills and it's not transferable. and the fact that republicans are -- let's put it in a positive sense. the fact that democrats won in arizona with a very progressive candidate, won in wisconsin, won in nevada, won in michigan in the senate races, won in north carolina in the gubernatorial race, against, of course, a whack job, but they won all of these swing states, and i guess in these major races they are undefeated in swing states because weren't senate races in georgia or north carolina, and dave mccormick, is the one exception to the rule. dave mccormick as we said on

this showtime and time again is a really strong candidate, and he would have won two years ago if donald trump would have endorsed him then. anyway, i am going on a lot, but this is really sort of looking back and sort of the second look at what happened last week, and this was not a republican landslide. this was a trump sweep. >> it was a trump sweep. when we say it was an overwhelming victory, the sweep of the swing states, overwhelming and decisive of course. this is not diminishing what the next four years could look like under donald trump. it is his washington for at least the next two years. we see the appointments roll out. we will get into that, what that means for immigrants, for women. you can go down the list. to your point, we have heard the panic. you heard it a lot yesterday. i was marching in the veterans day parade and on the subway to and from, people worried and

panicked and wanted to talk. i get that. what i have been saying is what you and jim are saying. donald trump is winning by 3 million votes. that's the same margin hillary clinton beat him in '16 in the popular vote. if you look inside the swing states and everyone says, what happened to the polling? they all finish effectively, except for arizona, margin of error rates. wisconsin donald trump won by less than one point. michigan he won by a point and a half. nevada by two points. pennsylvania by two points. georgia by two points. north carolina by three points. then arizona five and a half points. why do i say that? because it was overwhelming in the sense that he won these states. if you look at who voted and the vote total, this was in fact, as we have been saying for months and months and months, an incredibly close race. not by the electoral vote count. he won that widely and won those swing states impressively.

but if you need a reason to take a deep breath is this was a close race, and the fight is still on if you're a democrat. >> yeah, no doubt about it. you look at arizona, fascinating, it's like a seven point swing between donald trump's five-point victory and ruben gallego two-point victory. you're right. so much has has to do with the candidate. the first hispanic senator in the state of arizona. he is a veteran. hispanic men voted for him in much higher numbers than they voted for kamala harris. so, a lot of different things going. you know, katty kay, if you're donald trump this morning and you're seeing this news, this just seems to strengthen your hand with republicans in the organizing caucus going, listen, you guys can't win -- and women, you can't win these swing states. you lost in michigan.

you lost in wisconsin. you lost in north carolina. gubernatorial race. you lost in arizona. you lost in nevada. i won all those states. seems to me, as we organizes republicans and starts saying, this is who you should pick as your majority leader, and this is what you should do in the house, it seems to me it only strengthens donald trump's hand. >> yeah, and kari lake ran as a mini- mini-me trump, close to the former president, appeared with him when she could, denied the results of the 2020 election, denied the results of center 2022 run for the governorship of arizona. did all of the classic trump things. kind of the issue of abortion, was super pro federal ban, then ran back from that and still couldn't make it because she is -- i spent time with her. she is a skilled political operative, but she is not donald trump.

i think that is the message to at republican party from trump, is this is my party and i -- you need to do things my way. now, what his way is, we're still going to have to find out because it depends on some more of these appointments being actually confirmed. but he has taken over the party, and it doesn't mean -- i think you're right. as the democratic party goes into the kind of autopsy of 2024, it has to think it has to fight battle of 2028. where is the party going to be in the 2028? what are the bigger picture trends. take donald trump out of the picture. what are the trends we have seen from 2016, 2020 and 2024, which are the groups that the democratic party has been losing and why, and work on that rather than think, okay, we have to fight this candidate again because he is not going to be it there in 2028. whoever replaces him may not be as strong as he is. >> election denialism is

nontransferable. voters didn't hold against donald trump he never conceded 2020, never acknowledged that he lost. but the big lie candidates who ran in the 2022 midterms, including mastriano of pennsylvania, kari lake, they lost. now kari lake losing again. so some voters don't want to tolerate that it seems unless it comes from trump, some republicans. you're right. there are some silver linings for democrats. they are able to win in these battleground states. nevada, too, as well as arizona, michigan, wisconsin. those are candidates who tailored their messages to their individual states, defying some of the larger national trends. pennsylvania hasn't been called yet. looks like it's going republican. that's important because that would give them 53 seats in the senate, which allows trump and the republicans to lose susan collins occasionally, lisa mordente occasionally, and still be able to get things done. those are the only two we think will defy the white house. that's going to be important as

we get into a little later, appointments are starting to roll out. later we also have this week republicans picking a senate majority leader. there are some building blocks for democrats as that party autopsy well underway here just a week since the election. >> yeah. and jim vandehei, democrats can look at arizona and i think take solis from the fact they won four senate races there in a row after not winning in a long time. but let's talk about the one swing state that republicans won in these senate races, and that is pennsylvania. man, put the big siren on top of pennsylvania because it seems, if you look at party registration over the last couple of years, to be going the way that iowa first went, then ohio, and now that seems to be moving eastward towards pennsylvania that is getting more and more republican by the day. we'll see if that trend keeps

going. but in it the trend keeps going like the last year or two, pennsylvania may in four years look like florida does now, which is once a swing state now about as deep red as crimson red as you can get. >> maybe. it's still pretty much, it is a swing state. it was a close result. dave mccormick was a good candidate, had a lot of money, a lot working to his advantage. the outcome for trump, big win, but they had to pour a lot of time. elon musk camped out, put a lot of his own money and time into the race and they were able to squeak it out. that's what chemicals have to figure out, the map is change,ing, the country is changing. you have to look at the tectonic shifts that are probably going to persist. the country moved to the right on energy, moved to the right on immigration. does the party move with it or continue to sort of double down on its roots? those questions will be figured

out in the time to come, but you look at thatmap and you just look at -- going back to what trump did. i don't think you can give him enough credit for doing what none of us thought possible in kind of defying logic in state after state in district after district, and i think any appraisal has to be clear-eyed about what the hell just happened? why are cities so blue going towards trump? there is a reason there. you figure it out. if you want solace, find it in knowing probably you have a good chance at winning back the house it in two years if you look at the 50 country the last 24 years. that happens only if you come together as a party, have coherent threology and articulate it in a way that resonates with people who are very persuadable. that's the lesson of arizona, of pennsylvania. people are persuadable. they are still uneasy when there is angst, they want change. i think that's why we have a lot of change. change elections correlating with a social media, which makes people anxious, there is

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♪♪ donald trump is expected this week to nominate republican senator marco rubio of florida as secretary of state. that's according to three sources familiar with the selection process. they said though trump still could change his mind on who will fill the role of the country's top diplomat. trump selecting former congressman lee zeldin of new york to oversee the environmental protection agency. the nomination widely criticized by environmental groups because there is lack of experience in that area. the post requires senate confirmation. republicans will have the majority in the upper chamber when the new congress is sworn in. and donald trump has asked republican congressman mike waltz of florida to be his national security advisor. he is a green beret who served in afghanistan, the middle east and africa. known for hawkish views on china

as a member of the house's china task force, he said the u.s. is underprepared if there is a conflict in the region. waltz also criticized usa to ukraine arguing russian president vladimir putin should be brought to the negotiating table for a, quote, diplomatic resolution to end the war there. waltz's real as national security advisor does not require senate confirmation. so a lot in there, joe. if we go back to the beginning for a minute, which is senate rubio, the trump team hasn't made that official, but many media outlets reporting he will be the choice. donald trump doesn't love a leak, so we can wait. if it is marco rubio, we were hearing from people in the biden administration, not celebration, but perhaps relief that it's at least a guy in the senate who has experience in this area. >> well, who is in the senate, who ran the intel committee, who knows the issues.

regardless of all the political stuff, regardless of the very mixed background he and donald trump have had together, if you are going to talk -- and i'm sure david ignatius will confirm this very soon, but he is a hawk. he is a real hawk on china. he is a hawk on venezuela. he is a hawk on cuba. and he was a hawk on russia throughout his senate career. now he is saying, of course, what the incoming national security advisor is saying, jonathan lemire, and that is that they need to sit down, ukraine needs to sit down with russia be and they need to figure out a way to bring this war to an end, and before people say that's too radical, of course i mentioned time and time again that the top pentagon person told me, yeah, top general at the pentagon told me in february of last year this is not going to -- you know, these

lines are not going to move. and at some point we have to figure out how to negotiate an end to this war, even though we can't say it publicly now, and that is what marco rubio and what congressman waltz are saying right now, is let's figure -- i think the biggest difference is, if it's a biden administration that's negotiating that deal, then it says, okay, ukraine has to give up land in return. it will get protection from the united states and membership into nato eventually. i don't know that you are going to get that from the trump administration, but that's the big question mark over all of this. >> yeah. first to your first point, there has been a widely held belief behind blowsed doors in washington that 2025, year 2025 is when some sort of negotiations have to begin and perhaps even conclude in the russia/ukraine car. sat at some point the fighter, there will be a table where the

two sides will meet. senator rubio did vote against, one of the 15 republican senators who voted against a last wave of u.s. aid to ukraine though he was supportive more in the past. the incoming national secured advisor also skeptical of u.s. continuing to fund the war effort. donald trump himself is that. but to willie's point, i heard from a number of people in the biden administration, foreign policy leaders who said almost in one voice, quote, it could have been worse in terms of the rubio pick. he is a senator, has some national security credentials, has been a believer in nato. of course he serves at the pleasure of the president, but he is at least something of a reassuring figure. also it's just who doesn't get that job. the grenells, kash patels of the world, the fire brands of the right of maga world who there was real concern might be put in the foggy bottom post.

they may get a job elsewhere. the, obviously, the fbi, cia, attorney general, those posts all still empty. we did see stephen miller hardliner, immigration hardliner, back to the white house in deputy chief of staff, a role with huge powers. at least for this, at least for this there is a sense that this -- the rubio pick is a signal there might be some grown-ups in the room. >> well, let's bring in to talk about columnist and associate editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. david, sorting through the picks, i would say that the biggest concern for a lot of people not only in washington but around the world who love america are allies of america, they are hoping that there aren't gadflies put in the positions, people that like going on podcasts and saying the most outrageous things. there are, obviously, people that have been put in positions that are going to cause concerns. but you look at chief of staff

susie wiles, she worked in the reagan administration, she worked for republicans for years now. was considered is running a very professional campaign. mike waltz, green per ray, and marco rubio, somebody that has vast experience in foreign policy and in the intel community. so i'm curious your take on the picks thus far, and specifically on the incoming national security advisor and the possible incoming secretary of state. >> so, joe, my sense is similar to yours and jon's. i think the general reaction, these people are in the group of experienced bipartisan national security figures. each in congress was known for working across the aisle. if i were to sum up the sort of

winners and losers overseas from these picks, i think bad news for ukraine. these are people who say it's time to end the war. it's time for the united states to stop spending as much money. it's probably good news for russia because trump's desire to do a deal with russia on ukraine is one of the strongest themes expressed throughout the campaign. these people can help him do that because they have credibility overseas. it's bad news for china. these are two strong china hawks. if there is one theme that comes through, each much their foreign policy statements over the last couple of years, it's antipathy to china, warning about china's military rearmament. so i think finally, we will have to wait and see what this means for europeans. the question i have this is whether trump, this time around, is going to want to be more

successful as a president working with allies. just really botched a lot of our key relationships. is he going to work harder with the europeans to be a leader of nato as opposed to a destructor and destroyer of nato? i think nato is ready to follow a path towards negotiations on ukraine. there is a general sense that the time has come in this war, terrible bloody war, to seek some compromise. that was coming whether harris won or biden won in my view. so i think it's generally, you know, more responsible, respectable, if you can say that, than you might have thought. on domestic policy, trump's going to do what he said he would on border issues in particular. you look at tom homan, stephen million early, you know that's so. foreign policy, i don't want to say establishment because they are not that, but they are a little more in the mainstream of foreign policy advisors than i

would have thought. >> yeah, and to david's point about domestic advisors, willie, donald trump ran on mass deportation over and over and over again. so no one should be shocked by who he is selecting on some of these domestic posts where he is going to do exactly what he said he was going to do. >> yeah, tom homan, remember in the first administration he has been very clear, mr. homan who will be title border czar about the plans to go in and take criminals who are here illegally, remove them where they are in the united states and send them back to their country of origin. very explicit, effectively close the border as well. it is some of these choices, i think, some of washington has been heartened by a few of the names floated out here with the openings still some concern about some of the openings that are left out there. but we do know this even about establishment figures in

washington. they bend to the will of donald trump and the republican party. and they believe with the win he got a week ago today that he is in charge. he has a sweeping mandate and they are there to execute his vision. so even an establishment republican will do what donald trump tells him or her to do. >> whatever elon musk might be thinking at the moment in mar-a-lago, it is donald trump who won the election. he is going to be calling the shots. and you are right. marco rubio, waltz, well known people in the foreign policy circles and being seen as orthodox as foreign policy choices i'm surprised by the degree of planning that seems to be going already with ukraine, some people i have spoken to have been close to former president trump saying issues like the nuclear facilities currently in areas that russia might hold, the president-elect trump believes they should be in ukrainian territory. what are the kind of security guarantees that west might be able to give ukraine in exchange for giving up effectively about

20% of its land. maybe it's not nato. who knows what nato is going to like. maybe something from the european union. so those kinds of discussions clearly taking place at a developed stage. the other question for me, you mentioned allies, joe, and allies in europe have not been treated particularly well by donald trump in the past, but the biden administration has put a lot of effort into shoring up america's allies in asia as a counterpoint to china. does that continue? do we see this outreach to south korea and japan and the philippines that the biden administration has had, or would the blanket tariffs apply to all allies, in which case that might make that more hard when you are trying to have a bulwark against china, which is what this foreign policy team looks like. coming up, our next guest blames wish. thinking for his party's loss. ritchie torres says his party is

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♪♪ as we look at this transition, a couple things are striking. first of all, it's different than eight years ago. there is no parade of characters, no auditions walking through trump tower known or mar-a-lago now. at least not yet. trump is acting with speed. he is getting names out there much quicker than he did last time around. he also is prioritizing people he knows. these are veterans of the first administration or two states in particular, from new york or florida. these of course his two home states, and that's where he is turning to do fill out his roster at least for now. and, jim vandehei, one name who is hovering above all is elon musk, spotted at mar-a-lago basically since election day. he has been sealing golfing with trump and hanging out at dinner. it's not clear whether or not he will get any sort of formal

title or not. what is the sense as to your hearing as to what role he to could play, and will they be able to co-exist? if there is one truism about donald trump, he likes to be the only star in the sky. elon musk, well, he is someone who is used to the role as well. how do we see this in the months ahead? >> i think it's one of the most interesting and important stories unfolding the last month, is this fusion between musk and donald trump. we write about it in today's behind the curtain column. mask has been at mar-a-lago from election day through now. he is intimately involved in picking the cabinet. one of the few people sitting in the makeshift situation room they built in mar-a-lago where trump's looking at tv screens to look at the different portfolios of candidates for these jobs. he sits in on calls with world leaders. he is going to create some group that sits outside of government that advises on how to try to

save a trillion or two trillion dollar. he claims, i think it will be harder than said, but that will be a part of his portfolio. we have not seen an alliance you like this. when you combine politics with information, like i really believe politics flows downstream from information, and now you have more than half of the country getting its information from nontraditional sources and elon musk sits at the center of that. so you take government and you take information and you have a very, very, very powerful alliance. i think it's the most important story, probably sits with what david ignatius talked about, this idea, this new right. at the same time, putting together a team that is hell bent on confronting china for good reason. china has the manpower, it has the money to be an existential threat to the united states. it's the only country that could probably convene an axis of evil that could threat on the u.s. those early signs point to the importance, i think, of china and musk in the early days.

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♪♪ let's take a look at some of the other stories making headlines this morning. china rolling out a fighter jet in an effort to match the most advanced aircraft used by the u.s. military. as "the washington post" reports, beijing is investing heavily in the latest tech and forging ever closer bonds with partners like russia. chinese manufacturers have churned out huge numbers of ships, warplanes, missiles and drones and they can make them faster. a crew member was injured when

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time for the must read opinion pages. in a guest essay for "the new york times," i am the governor of kentucky, here is how democrats can win again. andy beshear writes the focus of the democratic party must return to creating better jobs, more

affordable and accessible health care, safer roads and bridges, the best education for our children, and communities where people aren't just safer, but also feel safer. we do this through policy and by taking direct action that gets results. the democratic party must show the american people that it cares about creating better -- a better life for each and every american, and re-earn the public's trust about its focus and its direction. none of this means we abandon important values and principles. earning trust and showing people you care about them also requires that we talk to people like normal human beings. so, while others are talking about political strategy and messaging, the way forward is really about focus and about action. and perhaps the best part, these core issues and concerns are not partisan and addressing them helps democrats and republicans

alike. that's a path forward for both the democratic party and for this country that we love. >> yeah. >> i mean, the question i would have is, what in this democratic presidential campaign of what andy beshear wrote was not included? >> well, i mean, i think -- >> kamala harris had a plan for housing, had a plan for the economy. >> yeah. >> i am not defending it at this point because donald trump won. but what is andy beshear saying that democrats are not doing? >> i think -- >> let's just say it. >> talk like normal people, act like normal people. i think washington democrats -- >> what about what andy beshear wrote that joe biden didn't do? >> joe biden had a hard time communicating with people. the thing is, david ignatius, as you know, in politics, it's so important, if you put your hand on somebody's shoulder and say, you know, talk to me. what are you going through?

how can i help you? i mean, i have seen it firsthand. i mean, best advice i ever got was, go up to people, do just that. say, tell me about your life. how can i help you? what do you need? what is the government not doing? how are they getting in your way as a small business person? and the guy said, then shut up. they will talk to our for ten minutes. you write down notes and you turn around and walk away, and they will go, that's one of the smartest young men i have ever met in my life. it's like, you know, i never forget that, obviously. he told me that 30 years ago. but it's that connection. i will say, if you are kamala harris and you parachuted down and you have 100 days for a sprint to connect, man, that ain't enough time. it's just not. >> the best person i ever saw at

what you're describing was bill clinton. he had a way of just connecting with people. it was visceral. people would feel, my gosh, he is my best friend. kamala harris didn't have long enough. she got to be a better candidate week by week through the campaign, she was more comfortable, more graceful, spoke better, but it wasn't enough time. and frankly, there wasn't enough message to a party. you can't just glad-hand people and, you know, look like a good candidate on stage. it takes something more direct. but it will be fascinating. i think having beshear come out of the box with a very clear statement that says, basically, i want to be in the conversation going forward, that's a good sign for democrats. you know, hiding, blaming themselves, wondering what they did wrong can go on only so long. coming up, business before the bell.

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thanksgiving, which is e my gosh, just 16 days away. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's 6:00 a.m. on the west coast. 9:00 a.m. in the east. jonathan lemire is still with us, as well as special correspondent at "vanity fair" and host of the fast politics podcast molly john fast. along with joe and me. so, president-elect trump is working to fill out high-profile roles for his second administration, including secretary of state. nbc news senior capitol hill correspondent garrett haake has the latest. >> reporter: with the expected selection of senator marco rubio as secretary of state, donald trump's next administration is coming into clearer view this morning. the two were opponents in 2016 in a primary that turned personal. >> did you know that in florida they hate little marco rubio so much. >> reporter: rubio later became an ally, and in another key role

cnn reporting trump selected kristi noem to run the department of homeland . once on the short list to be trump's running mate before suffering political fallout she shot her on dog. naming michael waltz to be national security advisor. and outspoken ally new york's elise stefanik as u.n. ambassador. all set to play a crucial role advising the president-elect on national security and the ongoing wars in europe and the middle east. trump naming former new york congressman lee elding to lead the epa. >> the first 100 days we have the opportunity to roll back regulations. >> reporter: all picks save waltz must be made by confirmation. miller helped engineer the controversial ban on travel from several muslim-majority nations. while he and homan played

influential roles with the hard line policy that led to the separation of thousands of migrant families at the border. >> criminal migrants will go home and america will be reclaimed for americans. >> garrett haake reporting there on the future of this next trump administration. democrats try to pick up the pieces, ritchie torres is calling out his party's left flank. the new york democrat posted on social media the day after the election donald trump has no greater friend than the far left which managed to alienate historic numbers of latinos, blacks, asians and jews from the democratic party with absurdities like defund the police or from the river to the sea or latinx. there is more to lose than gain politically from pandering to a far left more representative of twitter, twitch and tiktok than the real world. the working class is not buying the ivory tower nonsense the far left is selling. congressman torres joins us.

this is not new for you, by the way. there have been a lot of monday morning quarterbacks who said i saw this coming and dissecting it. you have been warning about this for a long time. as you say, you were not surprised donald trump won? >> it was shocking, but not surprising. and the far left is a gift to donald trump and it will keep on being the gift that keeps on giving until there is a serious reckoning with the results of the election and recalibration. the far left of the party is pressuring the party to take positions like defund the police or open borders that alienates the vast majority of americans. like most americans are in the center. that's not a statement of personal policy preference. that's a statement of political reality. when the republicans swung too far to the right on abortion, the american people punished the republicans in the 2022 midterms. their red wave was a trickle. if we swing too far to the left on public safety and

immigration, then we will pay a price as we did in the 2024 election. and when you swing the pepped lum too far to the left it elicits a public reaction that had make the country more right wing not less, more restrictionist on immigration and public safety. as the to opposite affect. >> the swing states were very close. donald trump swept all seven. they were still very close as we have been saying all morning. what raised other eyebrows how well he did in areas people didn't expect him to. what did you hear from your constituents before and after the election about why some of them, maybe black voters or latino voters, asian voters moved towards donald trump? >> the simplest explanation is inflation and immigration. working class communities of color are hit the hardest by inflation. and then on the subject of immigration, there was genuine political malpractice.

since 2022, there has been an unprecedented wave of migration whose impact was felt not only at the border but cities in new york where the shelter system and our municipal finances were overweld. quinnipiac found 85% of new yorkers were worried about the impact of the migrant crisis on new york despite clear signs of popular discontent, it took the biden administration two and a half years to issue an executive order restricting migration at the border, and by then it was too late. the republicans had won the issue, had weaponized it against us. when the president issued the executive order, polling revealed that it was popular among the american people, among people from every racial cat gear. so if it was effective at reducing migration at the border and popular among the american people, why did it take two and a half years to issue the executive order because it was unpopular among far left elites who have outsized power over the

policy making and messaging of the democratic party. therein lies the party. >> i have been speaking to the biden administration folks. they feel like they needed to deal with inflation differently. acknowledging it was a problem sooner and messaging it because it -- poll after poll suggests americans, no matter what demographic, were unhappy, which is how things cost contributed to theens season sense of unha >> i am more sympathetic. when it comes to inflation, we were truly a victim of circumstance. unprecedented supply chain disruptioning during covid led to record flaigs. when you are the party in power in an age of inflation, it's a political death sentence. >> was there too much money put in initially? >> for me, inflation was a global phenomenon and that's best explained by global causes. i don't attribute to local

factors. i feel like the biden administration was a victim. circumstance. we accident have a messaging problem. we had a reality problem. inflation is not a messaging problem. it's a reality problem. and no amount much messaging makes people feel good about inflation. >> some of what happened in these elections were an ability to turn out younger people and the base. so can you make that square? >> look, i think if you have a status quo marked by an inflation shock and migrant crisis it has a depressing effect on turnout. i was shocked but not surprised by the results. more than 70% of americans disapproved of the biden administration. more than 70% of americans felt like we were on the wrong track. in recent political history there is no precedent for an incumbent party winning a presidential election when the majority of people think that the country is on the wrong track.

>> congressman, i'm curious. back to the issues pertaining to the bors, you bring up a great point, and a huge issue, and i know that you mentioned that it took too long for president biden to act with an executive order, but also with probably the strongest bipartisan legislation republicans could have ever gotten and trump killed it as we discussed. and so my question is, is it just the administration and them being too slow on issues because they did make major moves on them, or were there other factors like disinformation? the republicans not telling the truth about that. i mean, donald trump killing legislation that would have actually helped with the problem in a significant way that was co-written by james langford. that's not nothing. >> well, if you remove inflation and immigration from the table, we win the election because donald trump's favorability has

been chronically underwater. regardless of disinformation, we would have won the election were it not for structural causes like inflation and the migrant crisis. and republicans have no interest in governing. their interest is demagoguing the interest of immigration. here is the hard political fact. when you are the party in the presidency, you are held accountable for everything, and the american people are allergic to the substance or even the appearance of incompetence. when donald trump was incompetent in managing the covid-19 global pandemic, the american people punished him in the 2020 election. and when the biden administration demonstrated incompetence in managing the migrant crisis, he was punished it in the 2024 election. incompetence in time of crisis is a political death sentence. when there is a metaphorical

fire provoking a public outrage, you have to act decisive lie to extinguish that fire. or else you will get punished at the ballot box. >> there was a bipartisan bill. republicans killed it. the problem is going back before that in '21, '22, '23, you had a crisis at the border that leaders in the democratic party pretended didn't exist, right? and so this is the sort of thing that again the numbers were so massive and the denial was so complete that, obviously, that overwhelmed any good that would have come by signing on to a bipartisan bill, right? >> look, you have to level with the american people. the american people are not stupid. you can't gaslight them. people know the reality on the ground. people know their own lived experience. and the republicans again have

been acting in bad faith and did sabotage a bipartisan border security compromise and should be held accountable, but the president have unilateral ability to issue an executive order restricting migration at the border and he waited two and a half years, and that to me is political malpractice and we should be honest about it. >> it is political malpractice. willie, if you want to know where the voters were that knew the most about this, look along the southern border of texas. that borders with mexico. you could go back to 2012, 2016, it was predominantly democratic. now it's red from el paso all the way across. i mean, it has shifted over the past four years especially but the past eight years shifted dramatically to the republican

party. >> donald trump won all those counties on the border. among the swing state victories, his was the largest in arizona, a border state. congressman, i was talking about people coming up to me on the subway yesterday, is it going to be okay? new yorkers. i am sure you are hearing that if you are an immigrant, a woman, someone who feels threatened by the policies donald trump has talked about on the campaign trail. what are you saying to your constituents, to democrats about what the next four years will look like? >> even if the republicans win the house, which is a question mark, the republicans are not going to have anything resembling a governing majority. house democrats are the best hope for protecting our country from the extremes and excesses of a donald trump presidency. i worry he is more emboldened than ever. i expect a second trump presidency is going to be morvin digtive than the first.

the fundamental difference between then and now, he enjoys absolute immunity. he is free to weaponize government. so i worry we will see a vindictive donald trump than we have ever seen. >> we have seen from his early personnel announcement he intends to be very hard line on immigration, made a campaign promise short-range mass deportations, a scale we have never seen in the country. this will impact your district certainly. what preparations are you and other local officials taking? what is this gonna look like? >> we have to do everything we can to resist the worst of a donald trump presidency. ultimately, the president has ultimate authority over immigration. there is a limit to what we can do. but for me the best line of resistance is going to be the house democratic conference, caucus. >> and you have been a strong defender of israel, bring the hostages home, fighting against antisemitism in new york city and the country. what is that relationship now between a trump administration, israel, and gaza look like now?

>> it's unclear. there is no predicting the unpredictable. there are elements of the trump administration that might be pro-israel, but there is also elements that are isolationist, and my argument, if america withdraws from the world and creates a power vacuum that's filled by china, russia, north korea and iran, that's a detriment, not a benefit. my argument is america first isolationism is no friend of the u.s./israel relationship. >> congressman ritchie torres of new york, covering a lot of ground this morning. thank you for being here. >> thank you. all right. time for a look at some of the other stories making headlines this morning. the head of exxonmobil says president-elect trump should not pull the u.s. from the paris climate agreement. ceo darren wood tells "the wall street journal" that a second exit from the accord would

create uncertainty and could confuse global efforts to stop the worsening effects of climate change. alcohol use increased in the pandemic and remained elevated after the pandemic ended from 2018 to the height of the pandemic in 2020. heavy alcohol use among americans rose by 20%, adults between the ages of 40 to 49 had the highest increase in heavy alcohol use. and harriet tubman has been posthumously awarded the rang of general. the abolitionist honored at a formal ceremony in maryland that made her a one star brigadier general in state's national guard. she escaped slavery in 1849 and helped establish the underground rail record. she worked as a scout, spy, a nurse for the union army during the civil war. and coming up on "morning joe," streaming video customers are increasingly saying good buy for

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times" columnist andrew ross sorkin. >> it's hard to make sense of the stock move. the expectation effectively has to be a couple of things. one, that some of the benefits that were going to other ev makers are going to effectively disappear, and tesla given its strength may be the only one that doesn't necessarily need all of the help that a ford and a gm and others might need to have a competitive ev market. there is other questions about about regulations and other things, and somehow elon and tesla are going to benefit from being close to trump, and maybe kn yet about. but that seems to be a little bit of the bet. you look at some of the other ev makers, they are not doing as well. look, a lot of people look at this and say, raise their eyebrows, is there something wrong here about what's

happening between the connection between money and politics. there is no question about that. >> let's -- you know, i am always given, andrew, those are the questions you should ask andrew. then i see something that distracts me and a topic that is so much more fascinating. i will get to streaming in a second. >> stream using. >> i know that means much to our corporate overlords. kids around the america, the comcast commerce tree is going up. be prepared for that. but before we get to streaming, let's talk about something i saw yesterday about how warren buffett is doing what he did before the tech bubble popped. he is doing something that he did before the 2008 great recession. he is hoarding cash. he is getting it out of the stock market, and even getting it out of investing in his own company.

listen, i mean -- >> yes. >> there is not a lot of ways to read this. he is hoarding so much cash that he could buy outright buy most companies in america right now. is anybody -- >> what's happening? >> going like, whoa, okay. >> yeah. i think there is a lot of people going, whoa. he is building the noah's arc of cash. a $300 billion arc. i don't think anybody understands. looks like he is building an ark for something. is he going to be right or wrong? he did built an ark before 2001. a lot of people give gave him grief for that. for a period of time he looked like he was out of the game when so much of the stock market was moving hire. then he was right on the other end, and was able to buy out the market for cheap. similar situation happened in 2008 after the financial crisis.

well, before, into, and after the financial crisis. he became sort of the rescuer of last resort and that benefitted him. he has been lowering the amount of stock he owns in companies like apple. in bank of america. yes, he had been buying back a lot of berkshire hathaway stock, his own stock, an stopped doing that, too, which suggests to some that he thinks his own stock is overvalued. he has not come out publicly and talked about this. there have been efforts to find out exactly what his perspective is on all of this. that's just left everyone to this guessing game. but the only thing i note is, given the scale of his am company, which is a $1 trillion valuation, for him to use the money and make a dent or make it really move the needle, he has to buy things in bulk and go big. and there is not a lot of those assets available, at least at cheap prices today. >> yeah. i remember pre-tech boom he said

i would have done much better staying in the movie theater all year because tech stocks exploded. sure enough the next year everybody was like, we should have listened to him. >> so, we will do streaming tomorrow. talk about the housing market and a trump term. >> there is some fascinating cross currents that people are trying to understand. one is there will be deregulation, which may make it easier for folks to build houses. there is tragts of land that the president-elect has talked about using for more housing. there is clearly a housing shortage in the country. you know, if we have tariffs on materials, for example, that may make it more expensive. however, the immigration story is resolved or otherwise is going to create its own cross current, which is to say that for better or worse there are a number of illegal immigrants working on housing today that is actually kept the price of construction lower. the good news is more americans

would have the opportunity to work. the question is, what would they get paid to do that? so i think there is a mixed picture of how it this housing crisis, which is a crisis, is going to get resolved, and it's going to take another year i think before we understand better how the cross currents affect each other. >> cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you so much. let's continue this conversation with two people who know the ins and outs of the housing market, the "property brothers," drew and jonathan scott. they are out with a new hgtv series don't hate your house. take a look. >> this is my nightmare. >> really frustrating. >> oh, this is not good. >> what? >> i am stressed. >> you are not alone. this all has to be ripped out. >> i feel like throwing up. >> and rebuild. >> i don't want to finish a beautiful house and then they aren't happy. >> no pressure. >> my hope is they will see this house as everything they dream

of. >> i love that house now. before it was a love/hate. >> drew and jonathan scott joining us now live in the studio. guys, we are happy when you are here. great to see you. >> thanks for having us. who needs the kitchen remodeled? one of you always needs something. >> we will talk offline. i need a few things. let's talk about the show? a second. first, picking up on the conversation joe, mika and andrew ross sorkin were having about the housing market. do things change with a new trump administration based on what you have seen and something that is for a lot of people a crisis? >> andrew hit on it. it will be tough especially with the tariffs that's going to affect cost of materials and deportation that can affect costs as well. it's great to have more jobs here. that can cost more money the way andrew was talking about. >> labor costs one of the biggest line items when this comes to construction. we are at an interesting crossroads. we see the new technologies that will make it easier, because the

materials can be erected faster. we invested in the panelized modular builder. that could be the future to bring down the on-site timelines. however, supply chain shortages, that affected us post-covid and that could happen again if there is a tariff issue. there is a huge housing crisis. we need to find better ways to build houses. two, get another million houses online because we are not in a healthy inventory. >> having an easier process to get into some of these builds. in california we have a project we did four or parents. we had to sit there for nine mounts for the permitting process and wait again, one project two years. wait to flip the switch to turn on the solar panels. >> have you ever had your mother wait nine months. >> the permits cost money, architect costs money. i am curious about the impacts

of inflation. say not even just the last couple of years, precarli lloyd to today, lumber, supplies you guys need. how much has that impacted housing? >> the one thing that is frustrating is sometimes these industries are looking for any excuse to jack the prices up. when you look at things from the closing of the canal to other supply chain shortages, great, an opportunity to jack it up. it affects the consumer in a negative way. a lot of that has leveled back out since, like, the peak when wood and concrete and everything was out of control. but it stayed higher. we are getting used to the norms when it comes to the new pricing, especially in big metropolitan centers. the cost of construction is incredible. i would love to see some of these new technologies that will make it more eco-friendly to build, healthier, and bring the costs down. >> and working with, whether state or regional, in l.a., $850,000 to build a one bedroom apartment to try to get somebody off the street.

that's ridiculous. for us to take panelized modular systems, those are two ways to help. >> also seeing changes how you do this because of climate change. is that certain locations, becoming trickier, more expensive? >> that's one of the biggest contention points right now when you are talking about new home technologies because we already know that there are better ways, better technologies than what we are doing now. decarbonizing the home, electrifying everything is the future of the home. some people don't want to believe that, so they are slowing down that process. the technology is already here. we can build better houses that are healthier, you don't have benzine pumping inside the home, affecting kids. they are the most vulnerable. this technology exists. we need people to stop saying or slowing down the transition process and allows us to do it. >> if you are not focusing on climate as one the reasons and you focus on what is the

healthiest options for families, more people listen. what is healthier for you and your family in the home. those same changes can happen in a more positive way. >> besides having television, many television shows and a number of things, you are also venter capitalists. you talk to us about that? >> tech for the home. anything that touches home, whether how you transact to buy, renovate, sell. whether it's for the built environment or the health of the home, air quality, anything that touches home is what we are looking to invest in. our goal is to help utilize our brand to help the companies scale up to bring the price point down quicker because that tech should be accessible for everyone, not just the rich. >> that's the its the problem. when the new tech comes out, not just stuff that impacts climate, but stuff that's really cool, so much cool tech coming into the home space, we want to make sure

the companies get a platform. we can use our brand to push it that forward. >> you guys are deep in the world. what is the exciting next thing that, i don't know, if five, ten, 20 years we will all have in our homes that may be out of reach for most people now, what is exciting? >> the sexy stuff, i have a you a technology called solid light. it's full 3d television without the need for glasses. everything is coming out of the tv but you don't need anything. technology like that, it's amazing. on a more fundamental side, there is no longer a reason for you to have catastrophic flood loss. there are technologies now, a.i. the commodity of your home, if there is a leak it catches it before it causes any massive flood. >> and there is no reason to fold your own laundry anymore. there are machines that can do that for you. robots. >> robots. >> all right. >> let's talk about the show. don't hate your house. what is the message of this one? a lot of people look at their house and say this is

redeemable, impossible. >> it's relatable. most people we meet, they hated their house. but some people we tried to find some people who are so beyond share home they moved in, they thought they liked it, it doesn't work for them, they struggle through it. they are trying to survive in the home and ready to give up. the cost of moving to a new home, tax, realtor fees, everything else, they can't afford to move. we try to show them there is hope with their home. there is some tough stories. one couple we had $50,000 hit. it was a structural issue with the home they were unaware of. once they sed the budget, that took a chunk to fix and still give them their dream home. >> we can help you if your hate your house. >> that's a good motto. >> yeah, put it on a t-shirt. >> congrats on the show. you guys are so smart about all this stuff. come back. there is so much going on that you guys are moving towards the future with. appreciate you being here. don't heat your house with the "property brothers" premiers tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern on hgtv.

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it's gonna lead you right... oh. to me. i'm not afraid. it's the wizard who should be afraid of me. [ vocalizing ] welcome back. dangerous wildfires are burning on both u.s. coastst this morning in southern california strong winds are fanning the massive mountain fire, which is already destroyed dozens of home and is prompting new evacuations. meanwhile, firefighters in new york and new jersey are working to contain a deadly blaze spurred by an historic drought. nbc news correspondent emilie ikeda has the latest. >> reporter: this morning dry conditions and whipping winds fueling new concerns over the firefight from coast to coast.

35 million facing elevated wildfire risk today. first responders battling the jennings creek fire that is spreading between new jersey and new york. scorching at least 3,500 acres. >> in my over 50 years of living here, this has been the most significant and probably most potentially dangerous situation i have seen or been involved in. >> reporter: 18-year-old dariel, a parks worker, killed fighting the fire. a memorial held on monday to honor the recent high school graduate. >> amazing kid. he just saw an opportunity to make a difference. >> reporter: the wildfires in the northeast powered by an unrelenting drought. this reservoir in chatsworth, new jersey, normally floods the lee family's cranberry bogs every fall is completely unrecognizable today. >> we should not be standing here now. >> no. this would be normally below water. >> reporter: out west smoke could be seen for miles near

reno, nevada, as the wildfire forced several thousand people to evacuate monday. in southern california, families are salvaging what's left of nearly 200 homes destroyed by the mountain fire, which could intensify again today with wind gusts expected to reach up to 60 miles an hour. >> our house, of course, all these people didn't survive. it's a very mixed emotion. >> nbc's emilie ikeda with that report. now the morning papers across the country. the philadelphia enkwirer reports on a plan by the southeastern pennsylvania transit authority to increase ride fairs by at least 21%. the proposal would hike fares across the board on new year's day, and lus includes major service cuts beginning next summer. the authority services the surrounding philadelphia area and faces an annual deficit of

$240 million as federal pandemic aid for transit slowly phases out. in california, the "sacramento bee" is spotlighting an effort to provide farmworkers with gear to protect against bird flu. the state confirmed 21 human cases of the disease. now public health officials are tapping into state and federal stockpiles to supply up to 10,000 farmworkers with masks, gloves, goggles and other safety gear. and in colorado, the gazette leads with the president-elect donald trump's plan to move space command from colorado to alabama. president-elect trump has long favored placing the space force's headquarters in deep red alabama while president biden has favored keeping it in deep blue colorado. space command employs over 1,000 people and collaborates with the u.s. army, air force, marine corps, and navy.

finally, the burlington free press is taking a look at vermont's latest ranking as the safest state in america. according to a new list released by the personal finance company wallethub, vermont ranked number one based on assaults per capita, total loss from climate disasters, and unemployment rate. >> which is to say, they didn't have the most assaults per capita, the least. they had the least. so, willie, i was just talking during a break to alex, and i asked him, you know, we are coming up on 18 years, right. we have been doing this a long time. >> that's right. >> a long time. >> big number. >> 18 years. i just asked if he watched a show, i never talked to him about this show, it's remarkable. it's been going on longer than we have, and it's just must-see tv every afternoon for jack and

me. i found out for alex as well. pardon the interruption, man. i'm telling you, they started in 2001. >> i have never seen it. >> and every day -- of course you have never seen it. every day you turn on -- every day they are just so awesome, and it's just a consistency, right? what are you laughing -- have you never seen it? >> no, no, no. i is was there at the beginning of that great, incredible show that was born. you know why it's great? it was born of a real relationship in the newsroom at "the washington post" by two guys who debated over sports in a smart, congenial, and very funny way. and they actually, joe, kind of this formula, this format everywhere now, people debating in less funny and less nuanced ways was built on that, tony and wilbon. i was smiling because the thing

i love and i think, hopefully, our viers love about the show is you have no idea what's coming next, you know? >> no. >> talking about the newspapers. then the next wilbon and cornheiser and we are better for it. >> willie -- >> no, please don't. he said no. >> can i ask you are you like the forrest gump of tv broadcasting, cable broadcasting, because you were there at the beginning "pardon the interruption." if i'm not mistaken, you were at the -- like, didn't you have something -- you were probably in high school then. nevermind. for some reason i thought you were a part of one of the greatest groundbreaking sports shows ever, cnn's sports show, sports at 10:00 every night. >> i started my professional career in television on cnn

"sports illustrated," a 24 hour sports next work. nick charles, fred hickman, bob lorenz, those guys were there doing their thing, killing it every night long before i got there. i had nothing to do with pti. i was just a fan. >> you were just a fan there. >> yeah. >> i am just going to wrap my stuff up. >> were they still at cnn when you were there? >> yeah, they were doing -- i think by then it was an 11:00, they were doing sports tonight. again, before sports center and all of that that we know to be the sort of the plate for how do you this thing, those guys were doing it, doing it first and doing it so well. >> i mean, let's just do the -- let's just do the roll call. those guys, as far as sports goes, fred hickman, nick charles, those guys were the legend. it started there, right? >> yeah. >> and it's hard to explain to people. it's kind of like the sports equivalent -- and i am not being

facetious at all. like "nightline." when "nightline" crashed on to the scene in '79, it changed the way people looked at news, right? but cnn sports night with those guys completely, completely changed everything, and you had dan patrick, keith, sports center, and then again "pardon the interruption." it's extraordinary broadcasting. >> those "sports center" legends tell you the same thing. the list is so long. stewart scott. there are so many of them from espn. they would tell you the same. nick and fred hickman, the late, great fred hickman, gave sports a personality and place at 10:00, 11:00 at the end of the day. >> unbelievable. mika, i know you probably saw every episode. >> yeah, and just think back then jumping to now, you can watch four games at once on your

tv screen, another on your phone and ipad for the adhd generation of americans that we are now, okay? >> i will say in closing, if for some reason i don't think fred hickman and nick charles outside of sports get the recognition they deserve for just revel usizing the way people followed sports on tv. >> is that all you're going to say? >> for now. >> and as a guy who used to run shot sheets out to them, two great guys. >> that's cool. now i am glad we had this conversation. little willie running with the shot sheets. cute. >> he was like 6'3". >> there you go. coming up, the founder of craigslist is pledging millions of dollars to help veteran and military families. craig new mark joins us to discuss his latest philanthropic initiative straight ahead on "morning joe." ."

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city. they raised more than $29 million for the foundation, whose mission is to ensure our nation's veterans and families have stable and successful futures. 25 million of those dollars donated by philanthropist and founder of craigslist craig newmark, who sits on the board. he has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to worthy causes, including cybersecurity, journalism, veterans services and civic engagement. craig, great to have you with us. what an incredibly generation to the woodruff foundation. you have had a relationship more than 20 years now. why is this organization so worthy of your commitment? >> i don't think of is as being all that generous. >> i do. >> veterans, their families, active service members and their families, they sacrifice a lot to protect us all. in part, this is just giving back, paying a debt that all

americans owe, and we are kind of forgetting a little bit. so i figured i would do my part just like my parents in world war ii played their role. and i look at book woodruff foundation as being the most effective organization supporting vets and their families across the country. they have built this great network which does get the job done, and my role is, well, kind of nothing. just helping out, telling them to get louder, and then getting out of their way. >> i think the veterans who benefit from the generosity disagree that it's kind of nothing. but you have been so committed to this group for so long. specifically, for people who don't know about the woodruff foundation, how are they reaching those veterans and reaching their families? >> the part that i focus on is that they have located around 350 organizations across the

country. these are veterans support organizations who are well run and actually do something useful, which is not always the case. and so they get them to work with each other. they provide additional funding and then i bug them, bug the bob woodruff people to bug the veterans groups to get much better at reaching out to their clients and to do more fund raids raysing. again, this is a time we all need to stand together like in world war ii and play a role in protecting the country. >> so, certainly this is such a noble cause. another one that you have been very generous in directing money towards, journalism. the new york city journalism school. why is that important particularly in this day and age? >> a lot of this comes from high school, u.s. history and civics. mr. schulske taught us in 1970,

i'm very old, taught us about the importance of the bill of rights, constitution and the role of the press in protecting all that. the way i put it is that a trustworthy press is the immune system of democracy. i want to -- support that, and in particular the city university of new york, which for a couple of hundred years has been about helping new yorkers who, well from all backgrounds who may not have much money, a good education gets you into the middle class and maybe even better. >> we as journalists appreciate your commitment at a time there is so much scattered across journalism. we didn't have time to get into your $100 million donation on cybersecurity. come back again so we can dig deeper into that. >> we need to do that. like in world war ii, we need to work together to fight off our adversaries. >> amen to that. founder of craigslist, craig newmark, thank you for your generosity and for being here this morning. appreciate it. >> a nerd's got to do what a

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