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decision delayed in trump's hush money case. why the judge is putting off a ruling on trump's conviction and sentencing. also ahead, the house speaker scheduled to go before the press this hour with lawmakers returning to the hill and control of the house still unresolved. and later, u.s. airlines canceling flights into and out of haiti after two passenger planes were struck by gun fire. ♪♪ ♪♪ good morning. it is 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. we have a lot of news to get to beginning with breaking news and president-elect donald trump's new york hush money case. just moments ago judge merchan said he would delay making a decision to set aside his guilty verdict and dismiss the case. merchan was set to announce that decision today. now he says he won't announce it until next week. trump's team is arguing to throw out the guilty verdict citing

the supreme court ruling earlier this year that gave presidents immunity from prosecution for official acts. let's bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and barrett berger. what we are just learning about judge merchan's decision to postpone this? >> this is not a decision that judge merchan reached on his own. the parties came to him together and said that trump's team had asked the district attorney's office whether they would agree to a stay given constitutional concerns about sentencing a future president and a president-elect particularly in light of the burdens of an upcoming presidential transition and that's when the district attorney's office said yeah, we agree, there are competing interests that have to be balanced. on one hand, we want to support the jury verdict. we believe that it was reached correctly. on the other hand, there are some legitimate concerns here dealing with the office of the president, and so we are asking

you jointly to steal the deadlines in this case. we will come back to you and it sounds like he will come back and say i will stay these deadlines until november 19th and you have to come back to me by 10:00 a.m. on november 19th telling me your view, this is a quote from the order this morning, your view of the appropriate steps going forward. so today, as of today, we are not going to get a decision on whether or not the verdict should stand and we are not going ahead toward that november 26th sentencing right now. the next deadline in this case is november 19th when each side has to tell judge merchan how they believe we should move forward. >> barrett, are you surprised at all by it delay especially that the prosecutors are also asking for this delay given all along it had been a tactic of the trump team to delay, delay, delay? >> i'm not surprised because the landscape really has changed here, right? the judge has to look at this decision through two lenses, the

legal lens as he's been preparing for the last two months as he's been writing this opinion and he briefed this and now the political lens because things have changed drastically after the election. now because of the olc opinion and because of the supreme court's opinion we're in a very different political space where trump, because he is going to be president can't be prosecuted. similarly, there are probably certain sentencing remedies that if judge merchan was to decide that these charges should stand and he should go forward with sentencing, certain options are off the table. judge merchan wants the parties to weigh in and help him as he reaches this very critical decision. >> even before this latest development there are a number of different pathways that judge merchan can go with this decision in general, right? it's not just dismiss the case or sentence trump to whatever, right? >> yeah. exactly. so the supreme court's decision from the summer gave the president-elect very broad immunity for official acts that he committed as president, but

what it didn't do was offer a lot of detail about how to define what an official act is. so this is the meat that judge merchan is getting into here, but even if he finds that these acts were official acts, it doesn't necessarily mean it leads to dismissal of the case. he may find yes, a few were official acts because it happened while president trump was in office, however, the ancillary to the ultimate issue in the case. they didn't affect the whole trial and we can still put those aside and still sustain the jury's verdict. >> lisa, do you see any possibility of the judge sentencing trump three weeks here after he, you know, won an election? >> i think particularly in light of developments this morning, ana, where i see this going is perhaps toward a solution where the conviction stands, but there is no sentencing and both parties agree that either trump should be sentenced to time served or still lead to probation and that no sentencing hearing is necessary or

appropriate. the thing that president trump's team most wants to avoid is to remind the american public that he was convicted of these 34 felony counts by forcing him to enter the courtroom and sit there as judge merchan sentences him. they do not want those optics. they do not want the burden of forcing him to come to new york and doing that and that's a security risk for everyone concerned, as well. they don't want the inflammation of that proceeding. where i think we can land is a place where the conviction stand, but there is no sentence here imposed on former president trump. >> lisa, really quick. we also had another ruling come down before the show related to a separate case, this one involving mark meadows in the georgia election interference case. fill us in. >> mark meadows has been arguing for a long time that as a former federal officer he's entitled to move the georgia interference case to a federal court. he lost that argument in the federal district court and a federal appeals court.

he then went to a supreme court for a last-ditch effort to move that case from fulton county superior court. the supreme court saying no, mark meadows, we're not going to step in. so if mark meadows thinks that the case against him shouldn't go forward, his best hope right now is to look for future president trump and ask for that pardon. >> of course, the georgia case is a state case. it's not a federal case after trump takes office -- >> he can't be pardoned for that. >> no, he couldn't i am mistaken in asking him for a pardon as i'm hearing myself talk. the only solution for mark meadows is to win that case on the merits or hope that it gets thrown out because on appeal, the georgia court of appeals could find that fani willis should not stay in control of the case. that's the issue that was resolved before scott mcafee of the fulton county superior court earlier this year. meadows, trump and others have now escalated that to an appeals

court to say you know what, fani willis you are too interested and have too much going here in terms of the stake with nathan wade and finances to remain in control of the case. if she gets stripped of control of the case it's largely thought that the case would not continue. >> do you see the georgia case continuing if trump takes office? he can't touch this case. he doesn't have control. not a doj case, he wouldn't have control overstate prosecutors. do you think it moves forward? >> he's in this really odd position where the president can't be prosecuted because of his role as the president and this broad immunity that he has, however, other defendants, co-defendants and people that maybe played a lesser role still can be prosecuted. so it leaves us in a bizarre situation where sometimes the person who is perhaps the most culpable will not be prosecuted while others with culpability might. i think the president might exert political pressure even though he can't pardon him, he may be able to pressure state

leaders to do some sort of a clemency or some sort of reversal. >> in the state of georgia, it is republicans at the top. >> laid ladies, thank you so much. turning to the latest on the trump transition the president tapping loyal maga insiders to take top cabinet positions. the latest florida senator marco rubio expected to be selected as the next secretary of state and south dakota governor christine nome for homeland security of cnn this as trump is expected to return to washington tomorrow with visits to the white house and capitol hill. let's go to vaughn hilliard in west palm beach, florida. also with us eugene daniels for politico and former congressman carlos cabello of florida. these are coming in quickly.

the latest. >> michael waltz being tapped for the position of national security adviser and being tapped to be the next secretary of state or at least we expect him to be tapped as secretary of state. both of these individuals have more hawkish foreign policy positions here and there was concern among some in the republican party about the potential of turning to somebody like a rick vernel and having a approximately see. we are talking about two men who have been hawkish particularly towards china and also iran and cuba, but when it comes to ukraine here, this is where we have seen marco rubio take a softer approach to how the conflict will end and how russia's aggression will be seized and over the course of the last year, he has particularly suggested that this will require a settlement with russia, potentially even the ceding of ukrainian land in order to bring the conflict to

an end. he was among more than a dozen republican senators that voted against more than $80 billion in supplemental military aid to go to ukraine. so donald trump by turning to marco rubio, he is clearly making the indication that he has trust and faith in the florida senator to fill that position, and we should note senators like john fetterman have praised his selection, but also mike warner, the democrat from virginia who has been on the senate intelligence commit we rubio has frequently praised rubio's role on the intelligence committee. so for a great many of the more established figures in washington, d.c., they welcome the news that rubio is likely to be expected to be brought on in this capacity. >> vaughn, with mark's return to washington, what do we know about his visit to capitol hill? >> he is slated at 11:00 a.m.

eastern to go and meet with president biden at the white house. of course, this is a meeting that we did not see just four years ago when it was the reverse that was taking place, and it was joe biden who was about to be sworn in as the next president, but the current white house welcoming donald trump here to begin this transition process. they have openly said that they will work with each of the departments and agencies to ensure that there is a smooth transition, but also, we know that from our ryan nobles and olympia sonie that he will be making his way with speaker mike johnson, the republican leader of the house as well as the soon-to-be senate majority leader and that is not known at this time because that vote will be taking place among republicans in the u.s. senate tomorrow ahead of donald trump's visit here. >> right. >> tomorrow will be a big day in washington, d.c. for the president-elect. >> we will be discussing in this

show those three people vying to be the leader in the senate here shortly. thank you so much, vaughn hilliard for your reporting. congressman, i want to dive deeper into the potential marco rubio selection, quote, even though rubio is an avowed trump supporter, the perception is that he was one of the less maga options. the position that requires appealing enough to trump's more isolationist political base, but also carrying water for the less disruptive brand that the trump backers generally oppose. what do you make of his never trump to trump's pick in his second administration? >> ana, i guess the lesson here is that donald trump is capable of reconciling with someone. we know that he and senator rubio had a nasty exchange in the 2016 race. senator rubio is someone who voted to certify the 2020

election and yet it seems that president-elect trump is poised to choose him for perhaps what people consider the most important cabinet position in the government and this is a choice, as vaughn said, that i think gives a lot of comfort not just to congressional republicans, but also to some congressional democrats. marco rubio is a known quantity. he has a long history on foreign policy. he has worked with members on both parties on foreign policy issues, and what i'm hearing this morning is a lot of people are hopeful that this will really make american politics in our content and latin american context a lot more prevalent in the conversation about u.s. foreign policy. so this is really a conservative pick for donald trump when you think about some of the people he chose in his previous administration. his secretary of state in 2017, the first one was rex tillerson. no one really knew much about him. no one knew what his credentials

were to serve as secretary of state. >> rex tillerson did not last and had an infamous -- with trump. >> christy nome according to two sources familiar. he she was on trump's running mate short list until she revealed in her book that she shot her own dog. does she have any qualifications for heading up dhs which, of course, includes fema and the secret service in addition to border policy? >> yeah. it doesn't seem like it other than which is probably most important being sichl attic on on how they view the issues that homeland security. she's a governor in south dakota which does not -- is not close to the border, but loyalty above a lot of things is what donald

trump was looking for when he talked to aides who are close to him during his first term. behind closed doors what he thinks was the biggest mistake, if you were to say he had one was choosing people who weren't extremely loyal to him and his ideas, people that pushed back and people that said that they hid documents from him which we know happened, as well and that is what he's looking to not have this time around, right? and people that were on the short list to be his v.p. pick are people who are likely going to be at the top of the list for a lot of these posts, and governor noem is one of those folks. this is someone in the maga movement and that is what donald trump is signaling here. we call it a maga mind meld, right? in playbook this morning and you will see a lot of people out on the trail for president trump and who talked about the same

thing he cares about over the years. that is normal and what is different is the extreme loyalty, mike davis who is a close trump ally told our colleagues that the president is looking for highly competent loyalists, right? that is the goal here as they're kind of building their cabinet. >> highly competent loyalists and yet we just discuss there doesn't appear to be part of her resume, the dhs responsibilities if he does, in fact, end up picking christy noem. congressman we have new reporting that fbi director wray that they will replace wray during the new administration. one person under consideration for wray's job is trump adviser kash patel who wrote an entire book of dismantling the so-called deep state. congressman, your thoughts on director wray preparing to be

pushed out and the potential of kash patel as his successor of the fbi and are you concerned about the politicization of u.s. intel agencies? >> yeah. i think this is the place in the administration where people are most concerneded about this loyalty question, right? law enforcement, ana, that's kind of always been a sacred place for us in this country where we want law enforcement to be completely impartial. obviously, donald trump feels that the government was weaponized against him, and we can only hope that he's not going to install people who are of the mindset that they need to be weaponized against other people, right? so it would really be a strong sign of commitment to institutions, to stability in government if christopher wray was a trump appointee. >> right. >> could remain in his position, but it does appear that he's preparing to exit. >> eugene, let's talk about elon musk for a moment. he's not been named or mentioned as it relates to any of these

cabinet roles, but nbc has reported he's become a regular presence at mar-a-lago and we saw how involved he was during the campaign. what's he doing at mar-a-lago? >> he's looking to build influence. sometimes that's more important than an actual cabinet post. he's been having dibber with president trump and the first lady and he's been on phone calls with world leaders with zelenskyy, the president of ukraine and the leader of turkey, erdogan, as well, right? what that tells you is that donald trump trusts him in a way that he may not trust other people. he is putting him front and center in some of the foreign policy frgz cans and some of the most important foreign policy conversations of our time and people should pay a lot of attention to the elon musk beat. that that will be a beat in and of itself because his influence will be huge, it seems. >> we'll have much more to discuss about elon musk as we proceed toward that january

inauguration. eugene daniels and former congressman carlos car bello, guys, thank you very much. house republican leadership speaking on capitol hill and we are monitoring what the gop is planning as it looks like they will get full control. plus what a former top i.c.e. official says about the obstacles if he tries to carry out mass deportations as promised. a tram set on fire overnight in amsterdam. where violence is gripping that dutch capital. a calamity in the making. the move from mother nature that could make wildfires in the east coast. we're back in 90 seconds.

welcome back. i want to take you right to capitol hill where the house speaker is addressing reporters. let's listen in. >> but he and i have both had a lot going on. so we'll be talking about that and a number of other items over the weekend. i'll see him, i think, thursday night and the preliminary plans are for him to come to capitol hill tomorrow. so we'll have lots of time over the week and in the week and days ahead. stay tuned on all of that. one second. i'll get to newsmax next. yeah? [ inaudible question ] >> the question was do i have a favorite in the race for senate

leader on the republican side? they're all my favorites. how about that? look, i think there are some really qualified candidates over there. all three of these gentlemen are friends. i'm not going to put my thumb on the scale of that. i have enough to manage over here, but whomever is ultimately elected the new leader we look forward to working with them beginning immediately, and i have been working for a long time -- almost a year now with the previous senate leadership and with the leaders of the key committees over there. our teams working together methodically, deliberately, consistently to prepare for the eventuality that we now see. we really believe, it wasn't just oh, they were making fun of the speaker and his sunny optimism, he thinks he's going to win. i believed from day one, i believed in my heart that we would win unified government. i knew the people were disgusted with the direction of the country, and i was feeling as i was traveling around the country and i went coast to coast, north, south, east, west.

that energy was out there. i don't think the polling was fully measuring that, and i was gauging that off of my own observation everywhere i went in the country, so this is not a surprise to us and we've been prepared to it and we look forward to whoever is selected leader to move forward. yes, ma'am? [ inaudible question ] >> yes. we have been talking for almost a year about the use of the budget reconciliation as a method to achieving some of the desired ends. bee have to fix everything. i told president trump many times and we've all discussed, we believe we could be the most consequential congress of the modern era and he the most consequential president because we, quite literally, have to fix almost every metric of public policy. everything is a mess. everything. the budget reconciliation process is a very efficient means to solving a lot of that. everything related to the budget and spending and all the rest and regulatory reform, so we

have a lot of very specific plans on how to do that and the details of that will come together in the coming weeks. >> you've been listening to house speaker mike johnson in a post-election news conference. the house has not been called for republicans yet. he did say they anticipate at the end of the day when all of the races are called that they will have a larger majority than they have last time around. again, we have not been able to confirm or that hasn't been determined at this point. he did mention he'll be in mar-a-lago over the weekend with president-elect trump. he also talked about president-elect trump coming to capitol hill tomorrow and that he said republicans will be ready, and they will not waste any precious time when trump enters the white house. he said he didn't feel like they were fully prepared the first time around back in 2016 when trump entered the white house then. so republicans are looking to be on track to a washington trifecta to retain a very slim majority in the house and on the senate side, the gop already has

an advantage of two seats after democrat ruben gallego clinched his race in arizona overnight and the pennsylvania race is too close to call. with the majority locked up, tomorrow senate mcconnell will vote on the successor, how trump aligned that chamber will be. ali vitale on capitol hill. what is in store for them? >> well, learning how to maneuver around congress. everything from how to get to their office space to how to get to the house floor, really just the basics of becoming a lawmaker, but what's interesting about what speaker johnson who is still talking behind me is talking about right now is the ways that he's not just juggling the majority that is still very much coming together with seats outstanding in places like alaska and california, but also the ways that he's juggling that slim majority with many key items on the to-do list

including government funding and including republicans wanting to get a jump and moving on things like energy and the border, but then also the fact that the majority is still coming together is kind of dwindling as former president, now president-elect trump starts pulling members for his cabinet. we know, for example, that he has already tapped elise stefanik, one house member for that role. there's also another that he has tapped to be his national security adviser. that's something speaker johnson made a point in saying here. he is in regular contact with the president's team about, and he's aware. steve scalise said maybe it's best that they not take any more members at this point despite what the speaker called a wealth of riches in this republican conference. >> and so on the senate side, aly, as we talk about this race to be the next leader. maga die hards including elon musk and tucker carlson are pushing for rick scott.

why rick scott? is he the front-runner at this point? >> rick scott is one of three names and two are more establishment figures within this republican conference on this republican side. john cornyn and john thune and he is looked as the maga faithful. both cornyn and thune have broken with the former president at various times and both men have sought to patch up their relationship. that's not something that rick scott has to do. that being said, he is someone that is seen as a bit of a long shot. nevertheless, this is how he was talking about the role he might play in the conference as he walked into work. take a look. >> i think i'm uniquely positioned to help trump. i have a great relationship with all of the leadership in the house. >> does trump have to come out and support you to push you over the finish line? >> that's a decision he could

make. of course, i welcome his support and that's the decision and susie wiles. i don't know what he's going to do, but i'm appreciative of the support i have gotten. >> he's not going to weigh in. he's got more than enough on his hands on the house side of this building. >> aly vitali, you have a lot to cover, my friend. thank you. up next on "ana cabrera reports," in amsterdam, setting a tram on fire with anti-semitic slurs. plus trump's picks and the border, stephen miller in the white house and reports of south dakota governor and christie noem as dhs secretary and what this could signal about his promise for mass deportations.

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amsterdam overnight. dutch police say several people are under arrest after a masked mob chanted antisemitic messages and armed with sticks and firecrackers set a tram on fire in the dutch capital. nbc's raf sanchez joins us from tel aviv with the latest on the this. raf, this is the second violent clash in the last week in amsterdam. what more are you learning? >> yeah, ana. that's right. four days after that initial bout of violence involving israeli soccer fans overnight we saw more disorder, more chaos on the streets of amsterdam. police say they confronted a mob chanting antisemitic slogans as they attackeded a commuter train and this comes as authorities are still hunting for people in last week's violence. >> overnight, amsterdam erupting in chaos once again. a masked mob setting a city tram aflame. and shouting "cancer jews" as

they hurl bricks through the windows. the group armed with sticks and fireworks. police restored order, but it is not clear who started the violence or if it's connected to last week's clashes involving israeli soccer fans according to the a.p. authorities announcing five more arrests of people allegedly involved in what the netherlands has condemned as antisemitic violence. the footage also shows israeli fans attacking people, ripping down palestinian flags and chanting anti-arab slogans. a new report from the mayor says around midnight thursday a large group of israeli fans, some armed with sticks, carried out acts of vandalism, but soon after, small groups of rioters spread throughout the city center and committed violent hit and run actions targeting israelis. there was talk on social media of a jew hunt the mayor said. meanwhile, the skies over northern israel yesterday filled

with hezbollah rockets. it comes amid intense israeli bombing across lebanon. the health ministry says hundreds killed in recent weeks, but israel's new foreign minister saying there's cautious progress towards a lebanon ceasefire. >> we are working with the americans on the issue. >> and all eyes now on paris where israel's national soccer team will play on thursday. israeli fans have been told to stay away from the game for their own safety and some 5,000 french police will be deployed to maintain order. ana? >> raf sanchez, thank you. for more on this, we are joineded by msnbc chief international analyst and former supreme allied commander of nato retired admiral james staff rides. over the weekend prime minister netanyahu's office issued a warning for israelis to avoid cultural events this week in europe. how do you assess what we are seeing in amsterdam.

where do you think there's been a sudden flare-up? >> it's all part of this building crescendo of antisemitism that has really swept across the world since the attack against israel and then followed by israel's retribution and their attempt to root out terrorism in gaza. this, unfortunately, is going to continue until we can get to a ceasefire. you heard some sound a moment ago about working toward a ceasefire in the north. i hope we can get there, in the south in gaza, still very tenuous, ana. >> and we have some reporting that ceasefire talks have been abandoned at this point because there was no headway between israel and hamas coming to the table to tray to work out some kind of a hostage deal. meantime, the humanitarian situation is just continuing to be horrific in gaza. the state department had issued a 30-day warning last month for israel to try to improve humanitarian aid to gaza.

that deadline is today and this morning several international aid organization groups say israel has failed to meet the demands. for example, the u.n. says in october humanitarian organizations submitted 50 requests to israel to enter northern gaza. 33 of those requests were rejected outright, and eight were initially accepted, but then faced imped ims along the way. so what do you expect the u.s. to do realistically? could military aid to israel be on the line? >> it could through the remainder of the biden administration, but the incoming trump administration has made no secret of its 100% full-throated support for israel. so i suspect the israelis may be willing to live with a cutoff for a couple of months in, i think, fairly correct assessment that a trump administration would simply restore all of those. one quick point to be made. it's an important one.

this is military operations 101. when you go into a civilian area, and there are 1.2 million civilians in gaza and you were the controlling authority which the israelis are, you have the absolute obligation to provide food, medical, shelter, all the things that make life livable. thus far, that's not happening. israel needs to step up, whoever is in the white house. >> admiral james stavridis, we have to leave it there today. thank you so much for joining us. >> you bet. up next on "ana cabrera reports" what trump signals for mass deportations. i'll talk to an i.c.e. official about the obstacles they'll face to execute their plans. plus gun fire hits a spirit airlines plane in haiti. who the state department thinks is responsible. so we invited people to give ehealth a try and discover

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announces his white house staff pick, some of his first hires are sending a clear signal, that he intends to hit the ground running on his plan to deport millions of migrants. trump is expected to name stephen miller as deputy chief of staff, a polar iedzing figure whose fingerprints are all over the proposals including the mass deportation plan. to head that effort trump has tapped tom homan as border czar. homan says governors and mayors prepared to oppose the operation need to, quote, get the hell out of the way. let's discuss with john sandwig who held the same job as tom homan, former immigrations and customs enforcement and msnbc contributor paola ramos. tom homan as border czar. you have kristi noem the dhs secretary and stephen miller back in the mix. what do these picks tell you.

>> these are people that will enable donald trump's instincts. history won't just be repeating itself, but we are about to enter i think a darker, crueller uglier version of the past. that path forces us to think about homan. homan is literally the intellectual father, the architect of family separation. according to the atlantic in 2022, the great caitlin dickerson already inferred that in 2014 homan was already pitching the idea of family separation. so basically, he is the one that understood that if you weaponize cruelty that could serve as a deterrent. he shamelessly understood that cruelty is the point. the obama administration felt the family separation was heartless. the difference between then and now here you have homan who will be enabled by trump loyalists like stephen miller, people who believe in the great replacement theory, that are so pro occupied

with preserving whiteness and the question is what will that look like when you enable the most visceral anti-immigrant sentiments in this country. >> john, former dhs official, in the first administration olivia troy weighed in on the border pick of homan. as acting i.c.e. director tom homan spread mis oin foe about california wildfires and he attacked the local sheriff's office asking them to hand over the individual to i.c.e. the immigrant had nothing to do with the wildfires. those of us working at dhs who were actually committed to homeland security watched this with horror internally as it played out. john, your reaction to this pick. do you have concerns? >> well, look, i have concerns with the trump campaign promises for mass deportation and ana, there's a lot of talk rid now and tom is saying some of the right things and hey, we'll focus on criminals first and we'll get the worst first out,

but when you're talking about the numbers that they're talking about, a million in the first year or 11 million over the four years. those are not criminals. if you look back at 2019, the last year before the pandemic of the trump administration, they arrested 123,000 people either charged with or convicted with a crime. so there was no lack of political will during that time. it was just that there are not large swaths of criminal undocumented immigrants operating in this country. the other concern i have, ana, is when you set these numerical goal, a million in the first year is that's a quantitative approach instead of a qualitative approach and by that i mean there are at-large criminals operating in the country and transnational gang members who are not in custody at the state or local jails who are committing horrific crimes in the united states and nowhere near as what the trump campaign allege, but they're operating. to get those individuals for i.c.e. is tedious work. it takes under cover operations and traditional law enforcement

tactics and the point is it results in a very low number of arrests, but of a higher quality. unfortunately, that's not the approach that the incoming administration said they're going to take. they're going for mass deportations which means the lower hanging fruit of the immigration system and the population that has been here a long time and the parents of the 4.4 million u.s. citizens. that will be by and large targeted when you're talking about the numbers they're talking about. >> how do you see the mass deportations operationally playing out and where could they see hurdles? >> i think you'll have to look for two things. one is they'll go to congress. we heard the speaker earlier talking about the budget process. they'll need a massive infusion capital. i know they're talking about enlisting state and local law enforcement. i fully expect them to do that. i know they're talking about using the military, but at the end of the day you can't get near the numbers they're talking about without a significant increase of i.c.e. agents and detention camps.

even if you get the money it will be incredibly difficult to deploy it, one thing is if they get a huge infusion of cash to hire new agents and how much vetting will they be doing before they deploy those agents. it would take years before you would deploy the agents and they'll cut corners and background checks and it would create problems. what they face is due process of law. in this country before you can be deported you have the opportunity to do a full and fair hearing before an immigration court. you can present defenses for deportation and you have a right to this process. that is the biggest impediment. that is the -- the courts are backlogged and more than 3 million cases pending and nowhere near enough judges and what does that mean? that's why you talk about the alien enemies act and that's why they're looking at executive actions and regulations where they can bypass the courts and turn them into a rubber-stamp. that's what we'll need to keep our eye on is how will they

minimize the access to court and they'll never get close to achieving the goal. >> i wonder, this argument we're hearing that you go about these mass deportations, fear ripples through the community. people actually will self-deport. do you see that happening? >> i think that's what they want. i think that's at the heart of trumpism to create so much fear, uncertainty and chaos that they want people to be driven out of the country from that fear. i also think that the difference again, between then and now is i think the trump campaign literally believes that they were given a mandate by american voters to do this. i think that will really, really mean that regardless of all the different hurdles that they will be faced with, they will try with everything that they can. the other difference, though is that in the last ten years the groundwork, these immigrant rights activists, the latino community, everyone has also been building a coalition that is a lot stronger now than it was ten years ago.

so while people will perhaps be driven by self-deportation, i do sense and i've been speaking to people that are ready for this moment, ready to protect, ready to become sanctuaries and ready to -- to counter what the trump administration is about to do. >> quickly, if you will, we saw the huge backlash with family separations in the first trump administration. but now people have seen it. they still voted for trump in some cases because of his promises related to immigration. do you see any way around family separations this time and would you expect that same kind of outrage as a reaction? >> i do because i think this is now the words have meaning openly and simply. they have been in the country for an average of 16 years and they're mothers and grabbed parents. so people that will be deported aren't just immigrants. they will be teachers and mothers and that will really hurt people once they see it in action. paola ramos and paul sandwig,

thank you very much for the discussion. up next on "ana cabrera reports," struck by gun fire in haiti. what we are learning about the security situation. stay right there. and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten. prilosec otc. one pill. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

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fire. that flight was then diverted to the dominican republic. at least one other plane was also shot while taking off from port-au-prince. nbc news senior correspondent tom costello has more on this. tom, u.s. airlines are now canceling flights in and out of haiti. what more are we learning about these shootings and what happens now? >> this was jetblue flight 935 and spirit 951. this was extremely dangerous. thankfully both aircraft landed safely, but these were clearly marked passenger planes with airline logos. much of port-au-prince is absolutely lawless controlled by various heavily armed gangs. whatever the motivation for shooting at these planes, it could have ended in disaster. grounded, u.s. airlines canceling flights in and out of haiti and news of a second incident involving a passenger plane hit by gun fire. overnight, jetblue announced one of its planes returned from port-au-prince on monday landing safely at jfk in new york saying

a post-flight inspection found the aircraft's exterior had been struck by a bullet. some of the passengers from a spirit airlines flight that was also hit by gun fire as it approached port-au-prince on monday are now back in florida. >> i could hear three distinct crack, crack, crack, you know, over the back of the plane. >> from here. >> video and photos from inside the plane show signs of the bullets that tore into the passenger cabin. on the plane's belly, at least one bullet hole, an electrical line also apparently hit. >> i think the crew was traumatized. >> amazingly, no passengers were hit, but spirit said one flight attendant did suffer a minor injury. fir spirit 951 was arriving from fort lauderdale when it was hit from the ground as it approached port-au-prince. the pilots quickly aborted their landing and diverted to santiago in the dominican republic where spirit said an inspection

revealed evidence of damage to the aircraft consistent with gun fire. aviation experts say gun fire could have easily hit the plane's fuel, hydraulic systems and cockpit causing the plane to crash. >> this crew and these passengers were very fortunate that luck prevailed and nobody in the airplane was injured and the airplane wasn't more critically damaged. this could have gone very badly. [ gunshots ] >> haiti has been wracked by brutal gang violence for years with a barely functioning government and u.n. peacekeepers from nigeria now on the ground. from kenya, not nigeria, my apologies. in september the state department issued a do not travel advisory for haiti warning the airport can be a focal point for armed activity, but roughly four u.s. flights a day were still going into port-au-prince. now american is suspending flights into the country until at least monday. jetblue says flights suspended until december 2nd. at this point the airport is

closed anyway and we are awaiting guidance from the faa over whether any flights will be allowed to fly in there amid the current situation. >> tom costello. >> that does it for us today. thanks so much for joining us. see you tomorrow, same time, same place. catch our show online on youtube and other platforms. for now, i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right after this. uc with tremfya... with rapid relief at 4 weeks. tremfya blocks a key source of inflammation. at one year, many people experienced remission... and some saw 100% visible healing of their intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and increased risk of infections may occur. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection,

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