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million he'd be selling watches in manhattan. >> marco rubio was right. he'd probably be selling watches in manhattan. there is nothing more than maga all in the cause of pure ambition. with really dark days of america, we bring you the handy reidout guide to survive the coming autocracy. plus justice denied. trump's election means he's probably off the hook in all of his court cases, but his co-defendants, well, they're not so lucky. we begin tonight with a bit of story time. grab your hot cocoa, maybe a bit of spiked something and snuggle in because i want to tell you a story about the 2008 election. you know, the one in which america elected its first black president, barack obama, and specifically the state of florida which at the time,

believe it or not, was a swing state, perhaps the ultimate swing state. obama in 2008 not only won florida, he won it big. i mean, in florida terms since elections there used to always be close. obama got 4.2 million votes versus 4 million votes for john mccain, a margin of 51-48.2%. but despite obama's big win, democrats did not flip the u.s. house delegation in florida in 2008. also, on that ballot with obama were all the down ballot races both statewide and for the u.s. house along with six ballot amendments, and it was a long ballot. believe me, it was long. i was working for the florida campaign at the time, and i can remember checking off my polling locations in miami-dade, broward and palm beach counties on election day and watching the lines that were wrapped around like whole buildings, literally just flying.

people were in and out of those locations so fast, some emerging yelling obama! and waving their hands in the air so joyfully. it occurred to me that there was no way -- there was no way that they were taking the time to vote that entire eight-page ballot. zero chance. not in that short period of time, and sure enough, when all the votes were counted, the four ballot measures that reduced property taxes passed. the measures that failed were one that would rescind restrictions on the kinds of property that aliens ineligible for citizenship could purchase and the one that would allow counties with voter approval, to levy optional sales taxes to fund community colleges. and you know what did pass on that ballot? a constitutional amendment establishing marriage in florida as solely the union of a man and a woman. in other words, the liberal democratic presidential

candidate who was promising universal health care won alongside social conservatism and tax cuts. same thing happened in california. obama won, same-sex marriage lost. the notorious prop 8. sometimes contradictory things happen in elections and in last week's election, a lot you are wondering how it could be possible that kamala harris lost every swing state, but so many statewide democrats won? how could it be that in north carolina democratic gubernatorial candidate john stein got more votes than either presidential candidate and so many voters voted only for trump and not down ballot? how did the guy running for comptroller get more votes than kamala harris? well, i think there are multiple explanations, and look, we need to have a serious conversation about voter suppression and disinformation.

in north carolina specifically about the hurricane response and how democrats control the weather, but the explanation for what you are seeing in swing states coming from someone who worked in campaign world at some time is that trump voters in many ways and just hear me out, are kind of like obama voters, but in the upside down. they care almost solely about voting for him. so many of them went into the voting booth in swing states where his ground game was actively pushing them to support trump and not much elsewhere az in non-swing states like montana where the groups who were spending money on ads and voter turnout were not either presidential candidate, but rather the candidates for the senate and the house and those races tended to drive out voters who were primarily partisans, democrats and republicans. not necessarily just maga, and they voted all the way down the ballot for republican

candidates, taking out democratic senators like john tester in ohio the great and good sherrod brown. so the non-swing state democrats essentially lost ground because the presidential campaign didn't spend there while in swing states harris lost ground because the campaign made decisions that allowed trump to outgun her, barely, by, like, 150,000 votes across all seven swing states while he barely topped his 2020 numbers, and harris, when the california votes are counted, may or may not even lose the popular vote. don't forget, california their voter population is, like, 28 million people. it's big and populous enough to be its own country, and they count their votes slow, real slow. so, yes, we did see the usual voter suppression, plus the bomb threats to fulton county, georgia, with russian home addresses and elon musk gaming twitter on trump's behalf and waving million dollar prizes

around, but the answer to why vp harris lost isn't fancy. it isn't starlink zapped the machines that are not even networked to the internet. sometimes global anti-incumbent trans and voter anger over food prices and on the ground spending and campaign decisions just result in a loss. it's how campaigns work, and frankly, there isn't much about the trump campaign that his supporters can exactly be proud of. the racism, the misogyny, the insults against puerto rico and unmarried women, the lies about immigrants and crime and even a hurricane calling vice president harris the trash that j.d. vance said he was going to take out, and by the way, he will never be forgiven for that one. none of that is exactly something to brag to your grandkids about. whil supporters of kamala harris and tim walz can say they believed in something amazing, that a black and asian woman could be the president of these united states, and you know what?

so did more than 70 million americans, more americans than voted for barack obama in 2008 or in 2012. so before you sink into despair thinking trump won some sort of landslide or mandate, never forget that his so-called landslide is winning just slightly over 50% of the approximately 63% of eligible voters who bothered to turn out. this was not a high turnout election which is actually really unfortunate because as it turns out, this was the election that really was the most important election of our lives. elections are choices, and the majority of your fellow citizens chose this. joining me now is msnbc political analyst bazell smiekel, junior, maria hinojosa, pulitzer prize-winning journalist and pollster cornell

belcher, thank you for being here. my whole phone is full of those questions about how it's possible -- basel is already smiling and how is it possible that kamala did not win swing states and since you were nodding you've been called out in class, basel, because i'm sure you're getting asked that question, having worked on campaigns, one losing and one winning, you know, you realize that it is just a numbers game and sometimes voters don't choose the top of the ticket as their most important race. it's clear in north carolina, voters went en masse, let's look at josh stein's number. he got 3,149,000 to mark robinson's 2.2 million. and jeff jackson who is great on tiktok, by the way, he got 2.8 million so he got less than the gubernatorial candidate. and one more, elaine marshall

who won secretary of state, 2.8 million, you go down a little bit more. the superintendent of public instruction, democrat maurice green won by 121,000 votes and he got 2.8 million votes and you go down and get to the presidential race, donald trump only got slightly more than maurice green. he got 2.87 million votes and kamala harris got just slightly under maurice green, 2.688 million votes and that sounds crazy to people, but it actually is a phenomenon that people will go in and say oh, my, it is to make sure that the guy who called himself a black nazi is not my governor. your thoughts? >> i think that's right. people go into the voting booth and vote for the people they specifically care about, you know. sometimes it's the senate race and sometimes it's the gubernatorial race and sometimes it is the top of the ticket and

just vote for donald trump, for example. i keyed in on something you said which was really important to me and something that i've been being been thinking about for a very long time in terms of shifting for obama. when i started working for the party some years ago through 2016, you, it occurred to me subsequent to that that, you know, barack obama in 2007 recognizing that hillary would probably get the institutional support created obama for america, this proprietary organization and ran around the party, with a party that ultimately got with him, and then bernie sanders ran against the party for eight years, and so for 16 years if you're a 30-year-old voter you've spent half of your life understanding that the democratic party isn't for you or is somehow corrupt or doesn't represent the values and policies that you represent. so there's a huge credibility issue, a branding problem that the democratic party has because -- in many way, and i

think when i talk to a lot of younger voters and i was at morehouse yesterday, they're saying what is this thing in the democratic party? sometimes they feel it's more personality driven than party driven and historically the party was something that was supposed to be the entity that kind of delivered all of that messaging down, but it doesn't -- it doesn't serve that purpose anymore, and so in many ways, voters are kind of looking for -- from my experience and from what i hear, they're just looking for a lot more cohesion in the messaging among a lot of the candidates and through a lot of the policies, and you feel that's become a lot more difficult especially when they get their news from tiktok. >> first of all, if it's a personality contest the person trying to fallate a microphone, and trump ain't winning that.

cornell, to go to you for a moment, he's not winning that. >> no -- >> the issue, i don't think people like his personality, he was going to men. he was saying women don't have to like my personality. i'm going to protect them whether they like it or not. i don't care how women feel. i'm going to men. male podcasts and the man-o-sphere and he was trying to super sphere white voters and male voters knowing that would carry along white adjacent voters and people in the manosphere and not necessarily white and they are still in the manosphere and he was right that white women would not punish him for that. they just went for men. >> no, that's true. >> let me go to cornell really quick. i'm sorry, i didn't let you answer, but i'll come back to you. >> no, it's fine.

in arizona, cornell, the same kind thing happened. ruben gallego won the senate race. donald trump got 1.69 and ruben gallego got 1.601 and donald trump gets barely more than ruben gallego and care i lake and people said i don't want that, she loses the race and in montana it's the opposite. it's a small turnout race. donald trump 343, kamala harris, 225 and tim shehe and he beats john tester and you can keep doing this and 643, and kamala harris gets 2.4 million and moreno gets 2.8 and sherrod brown pulls 2.5 and he actually

overperforms kamala harris and he can't win the race and let me go to one more thing just to give you to chew on here, cornell, the popular vote. in 2024 right now it's 75 million for trump, 71.8 million for kamala harris, but that is short of what we had in 2020 when people were sitting at home voting, that's why there's such a high vote in 2020 because people were voting at home. 81 million people voted. that's not election theft. that's because people were sitting on their behinds at home voting. your thoughts on this? >> one, thank you, joy, for having me on. i've been trying to avoid television in the last week or so, but i'm actually glad i came on this evening. a couple of things. one, when basil brings up this ideal party and what party's been doing, this is deja vu to me because i went to work for a

guy by the name of howard dean in 2005 when karl rove was talking about a permanent republican majority. most of you forgot about that. >> i haven't. >> they were talking about a permanent republican majority, and we were freaking out and howard dean came out and said we have a party to build and we came up with this crazy idea, joy, and it's a 50-state strategy where we are actually going to put people on the ground and invest in building a bench team and you know what we're going to do? we're going to communicate and talk to voters year round, not just in the last four months of an election cycle, three months of an election cycle, but we're going to build grassroots and neighbor to neighbor programs and we will expand the electorate and lo and behold, what happened in 2006? in 2006 it was the republicans' clock. we all know what happened in 2008 we cleaned republicans'

clocks, right? there's also this piece here where you do have two election electionor ates fighting for the future of america. one is a younger, more diverse electorate that's not, in fact, antagonized by change and diversity and one is very much afraid of diversity and the changes that are happening in america and you have those two electorates fighting for control. when you look at the turnout from this past election cycle and you look at that numbers that you just showed, it's a different electorate and in many ways this electorate looked more like a mid-term electorate, right, joy? >> yeah. >> this electorate was wider than the last election. >> yes. >> it was wider and older, so you have two electorates fighting for control and to me is really this, why are 18 to -- 18 to 10 million voters who we know came out and showed up for

biden -- >> where did they go? >> not voting in this process and there's more than one variable that's impacting that and some of it is the point that you made earlier about voter suppression and the two to three-hour lines. >> very quickly, and we are running out of time and i don't want to not hear from maria hinojosa. there there was a lot about latino men. give us your top lines and i want you to finish after the break. >> on the question of messaging and it's great to be with you, joy, and this great panel. in the question of messaging, we understand, right? the simple message of donald trump was, yes, maga, but build a wall. and the build a wall was not just about immigrants. it was about black votes. it was about muslims. it was about gay people. it was about women. it was about latinos and immigrants. so if you do not have something to respond to that, that is four

words, three words, and it can't just be we're not going back or -- we love the name joy, but it can't just be joy, right? the messaging and that's where on the question of latinos and i was on a call today and people were, like, great. it was a call analyzing latino votes. ignore the entire electorate of latino and latina voters for i don't know how many years, we can talk decades and blame them for everything. you know, we've been saying, you know what? i've been waving the red flag saying y'all aren't doing this, and it can cost you the election, and it did. >> and it did. don't go anywhere, this great panel is sticking with us and when we come back it will be ladies first. maria hinojosa is going first. we'll be right back. rst. we'll be right back. so relief is lasting.ade f, xiidra treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. don't use if allergic to xiidra and seek medical help if needed.

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my panel is back with me. basil smikle, maria hinojosa and cornell belcher. maria, let's talk about the split-ticket voter. aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez did an i'm listening thing and she talked to people who voted for trump and her. it goes to something that you were saying and everyone has been saying that both of you sound authentic. both of you speak your mind. there were people even minority voters who were latinos were now getting the blame and people were, like, ha, ha, ha, you're getting deported and talk about why latinos might have voted for trump and the majority did not

because latinas were 60% for harris. >> i'm just looking at numbers here and a big headline for the democrats and where they will continue to lose is that you have between 18 to 39-year-old latinos, you had 34% going for trump. 58% going for -- i'm sorry, 52% going for kamala. if you know anything about latinos you know that we are the youngest population in the united states, right? our median age is about 12 years old. the democrats cannot lose latinos in general. i'm waving the red flag, but if you're losing young voters, that's completely insane and they should be stopping it, like, right now. not in a minute, but, like, right now. >> yeah. >> they thought what aoc did was fascinating. i think people again, forget the populism of bernie and tio bernie and how well he did with

latinos. i think it's kind of weird when you hear people say donald trump is so authentic and so are you aoc, it's, like, grating because us new yorkers know that donald trump is not authentic, but i think the headline also for the democratic party is -- oh, look who likes aoc. maybe that's where you should be putting your effort right? on the whole conversation of where is the party going? how many times can the party be told if you go to progressive it's going to backfire on you. when you didn't go progressive, you did not go progressive and it really backfired on you. >> and they didn't give money to the grassroots groups to turn out latino voters. cornell, the money went to a lot of ad-buying firms and the firms that ran the same ads all over the country and not dependent on region and they didn't spend money on the people with low propensity of color, the end. >> we have a structural problem, and we do need a revolution

within the party structure, right? where you have a billion dollars and so many of that is going to broadcasts and advertising, and we know from study after study that it's just not reaching the most sporadic voter. >> that's it. >> that 22-year-old latino that you just talked about, right? they're not watching this show. they should be watching this show, but they're not. >> their mama might be, but maybe. >> and they're not tapping into mainstream forms of communication. >> yeah. >> so we actually need a revolution within the party to move these resources and our strategy away from the campaign structures of the 2000s and the 1990s. >> that's right. >> and until we do that we'll miss a bunch of these younger er sporadic voters. >> i'll give you the last word, basil. to take you all behind the

curtain, he was just running an algorithm runs that every news organization runs and he runs a tech company and four hours before they were doing modeling, that's it, right? there's no secret to that. he's not the genius people think he is. >> no, he's not the genius that people think he is, and he didn't start the companies that he bought. >> that's right. so having said that, yeah, what he's saying works for his side of it, right? what he's saying sort of continues down that rabbit hole that makes him seem like the genius and donald trump seeming like the adjacent, and the person adjacent to genius and that works for his side, but what it's also doing is fueling the other side, our side saying, you know what? i can't imagine a world where these two are incahoots. >> that's the real thing that you all need to worry about is elon musk running the country e effectively through donald

trump, basil smikle, maria hinojosa and cornell belcher maybe not such a fun segment, thank you very much. moving beyond the election, it is time to talk about how we can all prepare for the presidency of donald trump 2.0 with his autocratic tendencies unleashed. stay with us.

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we recognize that a second trump administration is filled with many unknowns. with just a few months before that begins we wanted to provide you with the best possible information so you are prepared for whatever comes. some of you have questions about what will happen to women, what will happen to same-sex marriages, what will happen to low income people? what will mass deportation look like? tonight we have someone here to answer some of those questions and joining me now is our good friend, former u.s. attorney joyce vance, professor at the university alabama school of law, msnbc legal analyst and professional talker downer of joy. you normally are the person i bring on to talk me down. a lot of people are very worried. so i want to go through some of the things that trump is saying he plans to do. he's saying he plans to defund anything with dei in it, any city or police department that refuses to cooperate with mass arrest and deportations, any public schools that don't follow

his patriotic mandates and any schools that recognize transgender students. he doesn't have the power of the purse and that's for the house of representatives. can he simply defund all of those things on his own? >> yes, so i think we have to start by saying trump has a very aggressive, very broad agenda, and like everyone who goes into government he will meet the reality that you can only do a limited number of things. if everything is a priority then you have no priorities. so at some point even donald trump will be forced to pick, and then in this specific area that you're talking about using essentially withholding federal funding, you know, donald trump tried that before. he has threatened that in the past. he threatened, for instance, the mayor of the city of seattle with pulling federal funds during the black lives matter marches and during that era, and met with very mixed success,

frankly, because state and local officials among all of us, are perhaps the most well positioned to push back, but if trump sets a top priority and decides he's going to pull funding say for public institutions or for more likely private institutions that continue with dei then he can probably push that forward with some level of success. there will, however, be court challenges and increasingly we see great signs that the lawyers are well prepared and gearing up to be the heroes again. >> let's talk about the states. trump has promised to do mass deportation, but he's got to get people from somewhere and states like california and maryland are saying they will protect people. how much can a governor like gavin newsom actually protect their residents? >> a lot. so i've lived through this, joy. in 2011 alabama passed what it billed as a deport yourself law, hb-56 that criminalized all

sorts of previously legal behavior by people who were here without status and american citizens who wanted to help them, and that was a real shot across the bow, but if you had someone in the county who didn't want to call federal agents when they encountered people who couldn't prove their citizenship status then it was very difficult for the government toen to engage and it's a question of resources. how many people can you detain? how quickly can courts process them? you know, there's been some suggestion, it's included in project 2025 that trump would bring the military to bear -- >> right. >> -- to assist at the border. that's something that has real legal dimensions to it, and although i know we live in an era where many people have lost confidence in the courts this is something that the lawyers will take to court and unless we

abandon all principle this deployment of american troops on u.s. soil is something that should still be contested successfully in court. >> since donald trump will likely have control of the house as well as the senate, his party, could they make it illegal for women to cross state lines to get an abortion? >> so, look, i think this is a tough one. i think women need to be prepared for worst-case scenarios to surface. that should be done on a state-by-state level like the supreme court authorized in dobbs and whether we see something national, something darker, we could see enforcement of the comstock act which prohibits mailing any material that focuses on family planning so that's much broader than just tools and drugs that are used for abortion. that could extend birth control and other measures and there are clearly forces in american society that believe this is a desirable result, this is an

important time for american women to consider their options including this risk. you know, this is an issue that hasn't come up to the supreme court in this posture, right? can you limit people from crossing state lines? this court will have the opportunity to decide that issue. don't go anywhere, joyce will stick with us because we'll discuss on the other side of the break trump's latest legal issues. stay right there. there

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criminal indictments only the new york hush money case made it to trial before the election leading to trump's 34 felony convicts. today was supposed to be the day judge juan marchan would deliver a ruling delivered by the supreme court's conservative majority earlier this year. marchan is delaying that for later in the week. it needs the time given trump's new status as president-elect. trump's lawyers want the case dismissed. sentencing was scheduled for two weeks from today. it is unclear when or if that could happen and trump could once again evade accountability. we should assume this case goes away completely, right? >> i don't think we can assume that although i think it's certainly a possible outcome. look, the district attorney's office has said they're trying to balance the equities between the public's interest in the conviction and the need to let the future president get on with

his transition. so i think we all have a good sense of where that one ends up. >> yeah. let's talk about the people who are not so lucky because they're not president. mark meadows went all of the way to the supreme court to try to get his case in the georgia election interference case and it was a no from john roberts' supreme court. are we looking at a case that the fani willis case goes on and two already pleaded guilty, so, basically, those people pay the price, not trump. >> well, that's one possibility and isn't that always the case with donald trump that he's the one who avoids accountability? >> yeah. >> in georgia, i'm not optimistic, joy, because there's still this action in front of the georgia appellate courts to decide whether fani willis can remain on the case and if she's reassigned there's probably not another d.a. in georgia that

will pursue it the way she has. >> to go back to the january 6th case, the big case, the jack smith case going away, as well. you have people bellying up to the bar for pardons. are we looking at a world in which some of the people who trialed to kill police officers are then running into those police officers at home depot or walmart because they're back in town. is that what we're looking at? >> that's what donald trump has promised and of course, he ran on this notion of promises made, promises kept. i think it's dangerous not to take him at his word. >> yeah. that is the world we live in, joyce vance, always helpful and knowledgeable. thank you very much, my friend. much appreciate it. coming up, trump's cabinet picks and the race for senate majority leader, our lesson in sick fancy, particularly secretary of state candidate marco rubio who once called trump a con man. we'll be right back.

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the former and future president is moving quickly to fill the clown car and round out his cabinet before he changes his mind and fires them all. moments ago trump announced that he has selected fox weekend morning show host -- you can't make this up, pete hegseth. you can't make this up. he has marco rubio as secretary of state which will make him, rubio, the first latino to serve as america's first diplomat.

the war hawk after running a racist isolationist campaign raises questions rubio was a loyal surrogate for trump during the campaign even after being passed over for vice president and after being a punching bag for trump during the 2016 campaign. >> i watched this lightweight rubio, total lightweight, and little mouth on him. bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. when they put marco on to refute president obama's speech, do you remember that catastrophe? and he's like this and we will -- i need water. help me. i need water. help! >> all the world is looking at us like we're absolutely insane. i'm just saying that and let's dispel what this fiction that donald trump not what he's doing. he knows exactly what he's doing and he's placing sick fancy as

prerequisite, and his positions about you are as fickle as this. >> i don't understand why his hands are the size of someone who is 5'2", have you seen his hands? you know what they say about men with small hands. >> i will never stop until we keep a con man from taking over the party of reagan and the conservative movement. >> it is time to open our eyes. we cannot allow a con artist to get access to the clear codes of the united states of america. >> with trump it will be a country excited about its history and excited about its future. >> joining me now is david jolly who served in the house of representatives as a republican. for some reason we can never figure out and we've been trying for years no longer

affiliated -- i'm sorry. >> you just saw why. >> so embarrassed. the whole world can see us, david! they can see us! they can see us! [ laughter ] what is -- >> they all fall in line, joy. eventually they all fall in line. >> where is the dignity? in all seriousness -- i had a laughing fit. when i get laughing fits i can't stop. how does rubio look going around the world when he's going say to venezuela and trump is making a guy who is hard core to maduro, and take the knee to maduro and the knee to puton in and how lo before he gets fired? >> ted cruz should thank marco rubio because it shifts to his bending of the knee this evening. i think the telling sign was actually april of this year, i believe, when months after ukraine needed that final aid

package or at least the latest aid package. ukraine was begging for it and many republicans were begging for it and marco rubio flipped on being hawkish on russia and waved the white flag and said i'm going to go along with president trump's idea of ceding territory to vladimir putin. the reason is that's interesting and that was just before the veep stakes and people were talking about marco rubio. he clearly was falling in line for his own place of power and prominence and when he didn't get the veep stakes this is the consolation prize and to your point, i'm not sure the secretary of state under donald trump has any power anyway. donald trump will run foreign policy on his twitter account and that's going to be the end of it and rubio will have to back it up in front of the press, i suppose. >> his staff basically wrote the immigration reform bill during the obama administration and he voted against his own bill and turned on it because rush limbaugh yelled at him one time. there's the old saying that you

and i both know in florida if you're depending on marco rubio to save you, you're already dead. let's go to the other cast of the characters, it's like he's casting on tuubi. michael waltz, he advised dick chain owe cheney on counter terrorism and he fantasized about her being shot in the advice face, and hired him. mike huckabee will be his ambassador to israel. negotiating with the palestinians is like negotiating with the nazis in world war ii. you just don't. you beat them and eradicate them. people were mad about the foreign policy in israel and that's what it is now. we also have kristi noem. can we watch her dance? she was dancing next to trump when he did his weird sort of swaying for 45 minutes and she

danced with him and that was her audition. >> white church dancing. >> it's called white church -- >> the white church dancing. [ laughter ] >> what is happening? is he casting for a tv show or presidency? >> well, if you do, compare this to 16th, right? when there were people that came from outside of maga world however it was in his infancy and they were going to normalize republicans and normalize trump. he's bringing in pete hegseth from fox news to be secretary of defense and he has 20 years as a national guardsman. good for him. he also represented the koch brothers to help privatize the d.a. he's bringing in these super conservatives and i think the loyalty test first, conservatism second. >> -- this is the scariest. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy and we'll get to hear his voice again before he's fired. they will lead the department of government efficiency.

they're supposed to now be in charge of cutting the budget which is normally the job the house of representatives. you served in the house. doesn't the house have to be involved some way in creating a new government agency or can trump whip one up on twitter ex-twitter? >> joy, trump is handing out candy to his friends and family. congress is required to establish federal departments to define the jurisdiction, to decide how it's appointed. presidents can certainly appoint aides and non-congressional positions, but there will not be a department of government efficiency without congress which raises the question, does congress rubber-stamp that in one of its appropriations bill. >> yes. >> and here's what it's going to be. this is the project 2025 department, the department of government efficiency by vivek ramaswamy and that's the project 2025 throughout the campaign trail. >> the irony is people are now mass googling project 2025 because now they want to know

what it is. no, man, project 2025 is what your government is going to be. there are a few other people that we know are probably going to be there. alina, and essentially it's everyone who did him a solid and danced for him as you say white church danced for him in a bedazzled jacket for him in the place where puerto rico was called a trash heap. that's how you get a job with trump. do you think any of these people last a year? >> i guess it's all a loyalty test. probably not. we'll see high-profile firing and this culminates in donald trump setting up his own media platform which fox news, newsmax all out of the way and all of this cast of characters that you will see with government responsibility now will have their television shows after in a trump media platform which should concern all of us as whether or not the first priority of these appointments is actually someone that can govern. i would say with rubio, he's qualified. people can probably disagree with him. he's actually one of the more

qualified picks. kristi noem maybe as knowa executive and hopefully there aren't dogs around the office at dhs. >> she did shoot her dog. >> first of all, trump hates dogs so you know he won't have a dog, so i guess that the white house is safe for pets because trump, you know, it was trump he claimed haitians are eating pets. kristi noem shoots the pets and that's actually true. that's like not even slack here. it's real. >> the investigation of the new dhs secretary will be in "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. bye-bye, world! we are not embarrassed -- yes, we are. tonight on "all in" -- >> this is a