lot to "the atlantic" and wealth of i believe we ran what's the most opinions about donald trump. extraordinary grassroots >> i'm speechless. operation in new jersey history >> as we all are. not the country. we have reporting that the vetting process or the deliberation process involves a i am proud. i am not central casting of lot of television. what you would imagine a senator from new jersey to look here's what the war room at like. mar-a-lago, where the decisions are being made, contains the first korean-american, the first asian-american the senate from the east coast of america. multiple large television screens to show multimedia about see a new era come into place to the appearances. it's how you look on tv. >> and how you suck up to the boss and tell him he's great, tell the boss how much he's restore integrity and fairness. persecuted and how wonderful he we'll have difficulties moving forward. we have to make sure we don't is. that's the main purpose of the give up. people surrounding donald trump. >> senator andy kim who earned that victory, i got to say from it's not to run anything, god the beginning, it was a forbid, but assuage his ego. well-earned victory. >> that is "all in," and now -- that's where the sequel, the >> i can't hear enough from the

surviving democrats, people who got reelected. we have senator chris murphy writer's jumped the sharks before the opening credits. >> a fox news host. tonight giving his first cable >> wash your hands. >> a questionable history at news interview since whatever we're going to call it happened gitmo, a person who successfully on election night. got trump to pardon war the perspective is vital. criminals, the defense great show. >> thank you. secretary? >> do you remember how earlier clearly no thought -- >> he wasn't a weekday host on this year, south dakota governor thought it would be a good idea "fox and friends". to put in writing she shot and >> weekend host. >> the churn will be remarkable. killed her 14-month-old dog cricket because cricket was quote untrainable. always is. but maybe less churn for the following reason, these people the reason governor noem thought are not going to challenge him it was good to recall that to in any way. >> yeah. >> there was churn in the first illustrate to do anything difficult, messy and ugly if it needs to be done. trump administration because even after that story did not people would occasionally stand up to him, slow things down, take paper off his desk or say exactly the way she liked. no. don mcgahn refused to commit a

she doubled down, shooting the dog wasn't the easy way but crime for him. there were instances of people that's often not the right way. this is the person donald trump is planning to nominate to run the department of homeland security in his upcoming resisting his stupidest urges. he's not very bright, doesn't administration. know how government works. just to be clear, south dakota in the first administration they is closer to the canadian border understood he didn't know anything, they treated him that than the southern border, but way, and he got mad, would fire for reason, he's picked people, claim they were terrible. her, dog killing and all. who hired those people by the way. the wildest part of that choice, later, we didn't see many of them supporting him in 2024. so far out of everyone trump has somehow, he's back, and people tapped to run his immigration who are coming in this time policy in the next term, dog are -- they're being vetted the killing kristi noem is probably way he wants to vet them, by the most normal of the bunch. watching tv to see what they say >> you grab illegal immigrants, move them to the staging grounds about him. makes perfect sense for a are the planes are waiting for narcissist. >> marco rubio of late has been federal law enforcement to move in the camp of knee benders to them home. donald trump, but he has a you deputy ize the national distant past as a critic.

do you hold out any hope he's guard. >> establish a fortress on the tethered to reality as secretary border to say no one can cross at all. of state. >> that's stephen miller, ? >> i don't have a full opposition research file on expected to be deputy chief of rubio, i try not to pay too much attention to him. he's been all over the place on staff. laying out plans that involved all sorts of things. sweeping raids, giant camps and he was pro-anti-russia, now he's mass deportations. the goal here is millions of let's sell out ukraine. people a year. he will do whatever trump wants. a project that miller and noem at least in the senate, it's a will be aided in by tom homan, cushy and secure job relatively speaking. you run only every six years, people say senator and follow you around, respectful to you. trump's border czar. that's not going to be true he's not as familiar, but you're anymore. he's an employee at will now. probably familiar with a policy he championed from the last and that's not, i mean for a trump administration. guy, i don't know where he goes from here, if he loses that job. family separation. known as the zero tolerance >> perhaps his way of appeasing policy that separated more than the maga right as he sharpens

5,000 families in trump's first his tools for another potential, term. dhs published a report this year i don't know, presidential run in 2028? who knows anything about what is showing for more than a thousand happening. of those children, the u.s. government doesn't know if they were reunited with their vivek ramaswamy and elon musk offered jobs in a fantasy parents. that's the policy that tom homan football league. >> a nondepartment. championed and defends to this >> department of efficiency, day. nothing has been more orwellian when he was asked whether the in title. biggest deportation program can they bring it into existence would be possible without family by force of will? separation, here's his response. what is the plan here? >> first of all, it's not a >> is there a way to carry out mass deportation without governmental department, as i separating families? understand it. >> of course there is. there are actually rules and families can be deported statutes that the federal together. >> families can be deported together. there are 4.7 million households advisory committee act talks about, regulating people coming across the country where the in from ethics standpoint people residents are of mixed coming in to consult how to run immigration status. the government. some undocumented, some we're going to end up knowing a permanent legal residents, some lot more about that in the not american citizens. too distant future.

idea you can just deport >> we're going to be experts in families together does not confirmation processes in senate comport with the reality and scale of the situation. recesses, understand that happens to be true about a appropriations, parliamentary procedure, a big education for lot of homan's ideas. the american public. half baked or not baked at all. good luck to us all. george conway, thank you for he speaks of immigrants coming your time and incredible over the southern border and describes them all as criminals disbelief about everything happening right now. whether or not they've committed a crime. >> if i'm in charge, my the justice department is bracing for changes when donald priorities are public safety trump enters the white house. who will be left in the threats and national security building? that is next. building threats first. that is next >> first implies others follow. >> absolutely. >> game is out for me. >> it is not okay to enter a country illegally. >> targeted enforcement, grandma in the house, undocumented. she get arrested, too? >> it depends, you're a criminal and not off the table. >> the reason homan thinks it

depends whether or not he arrests grandma, too, he's purposefully vague who gets deported first and who is a criminal. him on fox laying out the different categories of imgrants as he sees them. >> you came to the country illegally, a crime. you committed crimes against the united states, some heinous crimes, for the others, soft deport, i'm all for it. >> either came in illegally, should be deported. committed a crime and should be deported, or you're not a criminal but should leave, too. criminalizing immigration and immigrants as much as possible. there's a reason for that. the trump administration would like to deport as many immigrants as possible. stephen miller laid out the plans for the "new york times." he wants to end daca, the deferred action for childhood

arrivals program. that would strip americans of the legal right to stay in the united states. he wants to reverse title 42. even people fleeing dictators would not have a legal path to citizenship in the u.s. it is criminalization of immigration writ large. these are the people donald trump has tapped to carry out what he says will be the largest deportation operation in u.s. history. there are more than 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the u.s. today. trump's aim is deport more than a million a year. logistically, that's a nightmare. immigrations and customs enforcement, i.c.e., has around 6,000 agents. so trump floated using the national guard or the u.s. military to pull this off.

the national guard and u.s. military going into communities and ripping people out of their homes. >> stephen miller said this will involve large-scale raids. >> i don't use the term raids, but probably talking about enforcement operations, which the administration pretty much stopped. >> that's a roundup. >> that's necessary. >> okay, this is what that sort of raid looked like in the first trump administration. in 2018, i.c.e. conducted a workplace aid in the small town of o'neill, nebraska. she inspected 50 to 100 kids in her district may have been separated from a relative in that raid. three children were separated from both parents. one in third grade, one in fifth. one was a baby.

and that whole operation to arrest just over 100 people, that operation took 15 months to plan. and trump wants to do raids like that to round up more than a million people a year. nbc news reports tonight the incoming trump administration is already talking to private prison companies to find potential new immigrant detention centers near u.s. cities. building camps near denver, los angeles, miami and chicago. even though trump and his incoming officials seem woefully radiant skin. new vaseline radiant x body lotion with 1% niacinamide. level up to even toned skin. two months after president unprepared for the gigantic task trump abruptly fired fbi they have assigned themselves, director james comey in 20 immigration lawyers across the country say they're ready for 17, whatever donald trump brings he nominated christopher wray their way. the founder of the international for a ten-year term, but he's refugee assistance project told the "times" this week, we reportedly preparing for the literally have a blueprint of possibility he will be fired before his term ends. what they're planning to do, he's not alone. we've had months and months to

the entire justice department figure out how to protect may be hollowed out and replaced people. joining me now is becca heller, by trump loyalists. ceo and cofounder of the many career justice department project, and my friend and attorneys don't plan to stick around and find out if it's real colleague, jacob from nbc news and one of the executive or campaign blister. the author of the piece, josh producers of "separated" that tells the story of the trump family separation policy. it's based on his book, garrstein, thanks for joining indispensable content for this moment, all moments. me. becca, i think there's an i'm curious how much is astounding amount of fear, attrition, how much is trump inciting mass layoffs. what is the mood in the doj? trepidation and concern about the people trump has named in the career lawyers that work the last 24, 72 hours, and the there. >> it's pretty grim and glum at plans. first of all, the definition of who is going to get reported the moment. first seems like a moving how many will decide to leave target. their jobs voluntarily before everyone appears to be a criminal in the eyes of tom january 20th i think is still an homan. open question. people i talked to seemed how are you looking at it?

>> we're anticipating chaos. inclined to stick it out until they find it untenable to do it and that's what the people voting for trump immigration anymore. at the moment they're nervous, policy was what they thought and one key reason is that a lot they were voting against. of these people have been he ran on chaos at the border. through this already, from 2017 which is not true, encounters at to 2021. the border have been by down they saw what a chaotic scene it was at the justice department. under biden. now they have beds to create i've been covering the justice concentration camps to deport a department a long time. million people a year. we remember being called in get them out of hospitals, because looks like jeff sessions schools and workplaces. he's talking about chaos on a is going to get fired today, or level we can't even imagine. and i think that's what we're rod rosenstein or bill barr is facing. >> jacob, it appears like -- you going to resign. listen to tom homan, you know that tumult over a four-year this individual, and when he is period and everybody expects it asked about family separations, it's clear that while he knows to be more chaotic, it's not a good thing to unpredictable and perhaps off the rails than the previous announce that's going to be part administration. of it, it's inevitable feature >> you talk about jeff sessions and rod rosensteins of the of all of this. world. just play a little bit of a clip trump likes to fire people, between aoc interviewing homan acting heads or heads.

in 2019 about how and why people vivek ramaswamy, who we're reporting to have a role in the administration, in 2023, he get separated from their proposed mass layoffs, firing as families. >> zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that much as 75% of the federal work separated children from they're family. >> i get arrested for dui with a force. he believed the supreme court would back him up. young child in the car, i'm is there any expectation this separated. police officer in new york, i may not be case by case basis arrested a man for domestic but a massive bloodletting. violence -- >> mr. homan -- >> he thinks of everyone as a is it being discussed? >> main concern is ethical and criminal, which is permission to moral, people don't want to be deport anyone in immigration. put in position having to defend >> he's describing prosecution family separation or something as reason for separation. worse. but there is another concern, in the case of family which as you say is sort of a separation, as jonathan white mass bloodletting and layoff, told errol morris in the film, separation was the purpose, there's schedule f, trump or in prosecution was the tool to project 2025 you see it there and end of his previous term effectuate that separation, that talked about massive cutbacks in was the goal. it wasn't a crime committed that the civil service and necessitated a separation like a criminal act or what john kelly eliminating protections.

had said the reason to separate fewer people in the federal people in the first place. government agencies and i loved your quote in the "new political appointees could york times" about having a choose at will which to keep and which to get rid of, which is blueprint. together at the conventions, we the end of the civil service, saw the blueprint. which is supposed to be merit signs that said mass deportation based and have a criteria other now. the piece of reporting from than politics. there's widespread concern about that within the justice julia ainsley about new i.c.e. department with lawyers and centers around big cities. don't think about them, they other career staff who might have a harder time finding a job than a talented lawyer at the exist. there's one outside of los department. angeles, two hours drive. >> then the people that trump one of the only times i met a suggested he would run out of separated parent inside i.c.e. the country like special counsel detention. i saw grown men curled up in fetal position in solitary jack smith. prominent heads of investigations or the ag, the confinement. inspector general reports cited consensus or feeling is about nooses found inside those how worried they need to be facilities. the idea on a broad scale, if about the future. >> there's always some change this reporting bears out to be how the justice department is true, they want to use those handled from republican to facilities for families as well democratic administrations, back and bring back family detention, and forth. maybe more emphasis on civil

which was done away with under the current administration. rights or environmental idea of holding sometimes enforcement. what we have potentially coming in is very not normal, all these indefinitely young children and people around trump saying there families inside. it's barred by law. it's a sign where they want to are special prosecutors go with this. investigating the special and mass deportation is family prosecutors, and not only names you mentioned, people like jack separation, just by another name. we're talking about maybe as smith, but anybody who worked many as 20 million people with with jack smith any time any an undocumented family member in capacity could find themselves this country. it's not ripping children away potentially prosecuted and at the border -- investigated and could be >> it's ripping their parents expensive and throw them out of away. government. >> exactly right. that's abnormal and unusual and is inspiring fear inside the >> let's unpack the prospects. walls of do jo at the moment. from a legal perspective, what are the biggest challenges for a trump administration that wants detention areas in blue states? >> there's a bunch of potential legal challenges. it comes down to the supreme court figuring out if it's a body of politics or law. . donald trump continues to there's a lot of questions about fill out the cabinet the legitimacy of the supreme

court now and we're about to see if they're going to uphold the constitution, equal protection clause, that people have due process rights? are they going to let this just happen the way it's been being discussed? as the law is written, there are a lot of potential legal challenges. i think blue state governors and mayors who are targeted by the policy could choose to stand up for it and federal government could withhold funding. will the legality of using federal funding to force state governments stake unconstitution al acts be upheld is a question. >> ironically the republicans are pushing against state rights. the question of who is going to do this. you know, rounding up -- it's not like biden administration is like murderers, rapists, come

across the border. tracking down criminals and getting them out is a priority for the administration. even small-scale raids like in nebraska, it's an incredible tax on resources, staffing, agencies, i mean this is something, if you're talking about a million people a year, how is dhs going to manage? hhs? ors? >> it's a fair question. what i come away with, having seen the family separation policy, i believe them when they say they intend to do something at this point. in the obama administration they have a policy, president obama's words, felons, not families. they deported more people, including families and family members than any other president in the history of the united states of america. that's the baseline where this administration is starting today. they may not have resources today but they didn't have the national guard at the borders, then they did all of a sudden.

said they were not going to separate and they did all of a sudden. i don't know necessarily how or if they're going to do it, about you when they said last time they were going to deliberately take children away from their parents to scare people from coming to the opportunity, everybody got up there said no, we're not going to do it, only in worst-case scenario to worst offenders and 5900 were taken from their children. >> and over a thousand of them, no idea if they were reunited to today. stephen miller is saying dea and national guard can be on the task. they have some leeway. but fema agents, there are a lot of natural disasters in this country. >> that's the question. talking about a multibillion-dollar operation. at the same time, elon musk is

here to cut down on federal bureaucracy. i hope there's a cage fight on that. would be fun to watch. >> elon musk, an immigrant, fighting the cage match. >> everybody wants to close the door behind them i think. it's a massive undertaking. what else could the national guard be doing instead of persecuting immigrants. should the dea be fighting the opioid epidemic or persecute immigrants? there's a real cost i think they're not anticipating, haven't thought through. >> and reporting is essential. in many ways, you and a handful of other reporters on the front lines of this family separation policy when this first started, that moved the needle with the coming and past administration. i'm not sure the american public

will be down for mass detention centers. >> my partner at the "new york times," kaitlyn, and ginger, oro, who had been reporting for a long time. william lopez at university of michigan wrote about interior enforcements before i came on the scene. the incoming administration forgets that donald trump reversed the policy because he said i didn't like the sights and feelings of the children being separated. one of the awkward moments watching him reverse the policy he put in place with kirstjen nielsen over his shoulder. it was universal condemnation, the pope spoke against that policy. that's what they're up against. they have to make the decision

to revisit the words of the bush appointed judge one of the worst things in our country. >> really appreciate your time. coming up, trump picks a fox news host to be the secretary of the defense. the headlines write themselves. it's been a week since the election and the house is still up for grabs. i'll discuss with connecticut senator chris murphy, next. tresemme flawless curls defining mousse. 24 hour. hydrating curl definition. style your life the way you want. ♪♪ tresemme, style your way.

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impressive agenda in the house and people are excited. >> house speaker mike johnson is feeling optimistic about congress today, sharp contrast to the infighting that defined most of the republican-led congress recently. nbc news has yet to project the control of the house. republicans have 216, and democrats 207. in the senate, 52-47 republicans. and republican challenger david mccormick has been invited to senate orientation this week. joining for his first tv interview since he won re-election and lot of others didn't, senator chris murphy of connecticut. welcome, i'm thrilled to talk to

you. first, big picture thoughts. we haven't called the house but looks likely the republicans will control the house, senate, white house and for all intents and purposes, the judiciary as well. how do you look at the landscape right now? >> yeah, i think election day was a cataclysm for democrats, there's no way to sugarcoat it. there's a way back to a house majority. it's difficult in the senate. we have an effective cap of 52 seats and you saw this massive demographic movement away from democrats among our core constituencies. this is a red alert moment for the party. we're beyond small adjustments. i don't think i have all the answers or anyone does at this point. my sense is we're a party that claims to fight for and care

about poor people. yet they started voting a few years ago in droves for republicans. probably due to the fact we're not listening to them, we let think tanks and special interest groups tell us what poor people want instead of actually listening to them. our job is to reconstruct an agenda to speak to the people we're trying to lift up out of difficult circumstances in this country. something we've not done a good job of doing or translating the last few years. >> you talk about a red alert moment for the democratic party. some version of alarm bell should be ringing for normy republicans left in the senate. given the fact that the president-elect donald trump is saying he wants the republicans in the senate to be down with recess appointments. bypassing the senate to get his

nominations through, but republicans will be running the senate. for people who don't understand what that signals about the caliber of the people donald trump is nominating, could you weigh in on how concerned you are about that? >> recess appointments are a limited ability for the president to appoint people to posts normally confirmable by the senate when the senate is in recess. it's normally done when the senate is out a long time and there's exigent circumstance. he's asking them to voluntarily recess the senate to allow him to put into place people who couldn't get 50 votes in the senate and to avoid the scrutiny that comes with debate and confirmation process in the senate. that's extraordinary. it's not likely to be upheld by the supreme court, which has had

misgivings about the president's recess appointment powers, but it's a sign that trump is already starting to propose the shredding of democratic norms because he knows he can't get people confirmed or because he doesn't want to. he acts cavalierly about the democrat checks and balances that have held in check the executive branch for the existence of our report. >> rick scott is the maga pick for leader in the senate and some other frontrunners down the ladder of leadership, do you feel like with trump in charge and an ally maybe more extreme than mitch mcconnell or

decidedly more -- can you help me understand how you're thinking about the way the senate does its business if a radical -- not suggesting that mitch mcconnell was a moderate. but if rick scott is running the upper chamber, what does it mean practically for you and your colleagues? >> i've worked with john cornyn and john thune. i'm not sure there's much of a practical difference between them. donald trump is in charge and republicans will not cross him. i saw this when we negotiated the bipartisan immigration reform bill. 20-plus republicans were ready to support it until donald trump told them all, including thune and john cornyn to vote against it. they fell in lines within hours. the narrative is not establishment republicans against a maga republican for

senate leadership. whoever runs that caucus will take instructions from donald trump and perhaps instructions to dismantle some aspects of democracy to allow trump to govern as an iarian. >> you've got your work cut out for you, thanks for chatting with me about the work that lays ahead. >> thanks. coming up, trump's selection of a second term cabinet has kicked into overdrive. george conway joins me to discuss the rogue's gallery of nominees, next.

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the first person donald trump ever appointed to be his national security adviser was is this guy, general mike flynn, he lasted 24 days before he was indicted for lying to the fbi about his contacts with russian officials and had to resign. trump cycled through several others, h.r. mcmaster, who went on to call his presidency an exercise of competitive sick ofancy. john bolton who called him unfit to serve. robert o'brien might have stayed in the fold had he not admitted

that biden won the 2020 election and promising a smooth transition of power after trump lost. now donald trump has found the guy he wants to be the next national security advisor. republican congressman michael waltz, more than ready to compete in the olympics. he wants to rename an aircraft after him. he showed up outside a criminal trial to defend trump. he worked with other election denying republicans to try to overturn the results of the election. leading his hometown paper to pull back his endorsement of him, had no idea that waltz was not committed to democrat. in rare company, fox news host

pete hegseth is to be the secretary of defense. he served at guantanamo and lobbied trump to pardon two u.s. service members accused of of war crime which trump did. >> i don't think i've washed my hands for ten years. really, i don't wash my hands. >> help me. oh, man. >> i inoculate myself. germs are not a real thing. i can't see them, therefore they're not real. >> gross. today trump tapped two of his favorite cheerleaders, musk and ramaswamy, department of efficiency, doge, an internet pun i won't explain.

to dismantle bureaucracy, slash excess regulations and cut waste to make it more efficiency. nothing says efficiency like tapping two people to do one person's job. also his nominee for ambassador to israel, mike huckabee. he reportedly told voters when he ran at a campaign event, i have to be careful saying this, people get upset, there's no such thing as a palestinian. that's been a political tool to try to force land from israel. all of this is part of huckabee's world views as a evangelical christian zionist. for many, their support for israel is rooted in its rule in the supposed end times. jesus' return to earth, bloody

final battle, and jesus ruling from temple mount in jerusalem. for mike huckabee supporting israel is using the jewish people as a means to an end times prophecy where all non-christians face eternal punishment. that's donald trump's cabinet so far, only been a week. i'll talk to george conway about what we can expect about the new trump administration starting to take shape. stick around.

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donald trump has been on a tear the past 72 hours, appointing loyalists, many of whom are entirely unqualified, to future positions in the cabinet. marco rubio for secondary of state, elise stefanik, u.n. ambassador, and he's posting that nikki haley and mike pompeo will not be invited. george conway, a contributor to "the atlantic" and wealth of opinions about donald trump. >> i'm speechless. >> as we all are. we have reporting that the vetting process or the deliberation process involves a