states for years. possibly working here. and they'll arrest them and hold them there before they can get a flight out of the united states. >> julia ainsley in washington, thank you so much. appreciate that. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. you can watch me on social media. right now on andrea mitchell reports, president- elect trump and president biden meeting for the first time since their fateful debate as the former and future president returns to washington. >> politic is tough and in many cases it is not a nice world but it is a nice world today. >> special counsel jack smith plans to step down before trump takes office. and fires him. earlier this morning, mr.

trump met with house republicans. >> 129 years. the most important election in 129 years. that's pretty good. and joking off camera about even runs for a third term. also, new scrutiny of trump's leadership choices. after he announced that fox news host pete regseth is to be secretary of defense. and points elon musk and vivek ramaswamy to a department that does not exist. and for the first time in 17 years, florida's rick scott dropping out on the first ballot. >> good day everyone. just about a block from him,

i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president-elect donald trump was here. now he is still in the oval office for today's white house meeting with president biden. the customer visit signaling a peaceful transfer of power. the meeting began about an hour ago with the two many exchanging pleasantries in front of the cameras. >> we'll get a chance to talk about some of that today. welcome back. >> thank you very much. i appreciate very much. a transition that is so smooth, it will be as smooth as it can get. and i very much appreciate that joe. >> you're welcome. >> the first lady also greeted the president-elect. passing him a letter of congratulations from melania trump who was not present

today. the selection of pete hegseth as the secretary of defense has even some republicans going who? he is a junior officer but has no senior management experience. he doesn't think women should be in combat and opposes diversities in issues he thinks have weakened the military. >> a huge one is women in combat. the way they push that under obama in a way that had nothing, zero to do with efficacy. zero to do with lethality and capability. >> you don't like women in combat? >> no. any general, admiral involved in the woke [bleep] has to go. >> his position echoes the vow trump made last month to set up a task force and fire who he calls woke generals. among those expected to fired,

joint chairman brown. he has picked john radcliffe to serve the cia. he served as the national director of intelligence. he created roles for elon musk and vivek ramaswamy. former arkansas governor and fox news host mike huckabee has been named as trump's u.s. ambassador to israel. he is a notable evangelical who actually won the iowa caucus back in 2008. we begin the hour with garrett haake. nbc news white house correspondent monica alba, senior national security correspondent courtney cubie,

phil rucker, and michael meshlas. so did he drive up through the diplomatic entrance? tell us about the meeting. >> a historic meeting of course. the layers are fascinating when you think about donald trump's return to washington and how many years it has been. what it was like when he left office and what the scene was like in terms of what he had declined to do, accept the election results he lost. and when he did not attend joe biden's inauguration. there were plenty of pleasantries today on display. we know he arrived from the white house south lawn and there was not any kind of press coverage about arrival. but we know that president biden and first lady jill biden were part of that greeting and then the two men went into the oval office for this sitdown which started a little after 11:00 a.m. as of a couple of minutes ago

was still going. but could be wrapping up soon. going on for at least an hour it seems with much to discuss. he referred to politics as tough but thanked president biden for what he has seen and what has taken place. and the two men continued their conversation in private. and we know there are at least two other people in the room for this meeting and that is the current white house chief of staff and the incoming chief of staff. so the two of them are a part of this conversation and discussion as well. it is traditional for there to be senior aides meeting with their counterparts. it is of course remarkable, andrea, to see these two men

together who just three months ago were fierce campaign rivals when joe biden was at the top of the ticket. and everything that has trance pyred since and it is clear seeing donald trump back in the oval office, he was welcomed back politely in public. that was the way president obama treated him as well. plenty of precedent to draw upon from 2016 which before that, this tradition had gone on for decades and was only broken four years ago in 2020 when donald trump was the sitting president and refused to invite joe biden to the white house. and we do know that the first lady did give a handwritten letter to donald trump to give to melania trump. >> fascinating.

courtney, clearly the most surprising and perhaps most controversial so far of these picks is pete hegseth for the military. millions of troops. a huge management responsibility to say nothing of the policy. >> you can say that again, we are talking 800 plus billion dollar budget. millions oval office active duty. dod civilians. another million-and-a-half or so men and women involved here. pete hegseth as you have been saying is a fox news media personality. he did serve in the military in the minnesota national guard. and he deployed several times. as far as running a bureaucracy the size and scope of the dod, he simply does not have the

experience that we have seen previous secretaries of defense have. now, that is one of the things we are hearing from pentagon officials who were pretty surprised by this decision last night. and this announcement last night. but it is not just the sheer bureaucracy but the complicated issues he will face on day one. >> and we have breaking news on the hill. ryan nobles is there. we are told it is john thune. >> that's right andrea. it took two rounds of balloting for republican senators to pick their next majority leader but they have settled on john thune. he serves as the republican whip now in a minority conference but he will quickly ascend to the top leadership post on january 3rd when new congress is sworn in because republicans have of course won the majority after the fall

election. now, this is obviously a major moment on capitol hill. a true changing of the guard. mitch mcconnell has been the leader going all the way back to 2007. and so, he has had an iron grip on this republican conference on the senate during that entire period of time. mcconnell announcing earlier this year he was stepping away from his leadership post. he will still remain in the senate. but that opened the door for this next generation of republican leaders to take over. and john thune is well looked within his conference. a number of good relationships with the rank and file members of the senate. but he was facing a bit of a challenge in the form of rick scott of florida who fashioned himself as the true ally of

president-elect donald trump. basically saying he didn't think john thune or john cornyn would carry out trump's agenda. thune has kept trump at arm's length. eventually after scott got out of the race, and trump locked up the nomination. thune has worked hard to build a relationship with the president-elect. this will be an interesting position he finds himself in. they will be charged with confirming this new trump cabinet. we have seen cabinet officials appointed pretty quickly here. and they can do that with a simple majority but it does require some process and trump has leaned on them to use every available resource to get those cabinet picks approved as quickly as possible including

the option of a recess appointment which would allow him to get his cabinet picks in without senate confirmation so we are still waiting to hear what happens, remember, andrea, this all took place on a secret ballot so we don't specifically know who voted for whom unless they come out and tell us. that is part of the reason perhaps that donald trump didn't get involved in this. he did not pick a favorite candidate in this race. he allowed these senators to make this decision on their own. and rick scott was quickly dispatched on the first ballot. we are told thune won by a vote count of 29-24. so that we are now waiting john thune to come out and address new reporters as the new senate majority leader. >> a real changing of the guard. i want to bring in brendan

buck. so laura trump had endorsed scott, but the president-elect did not. >> that's right. but a lot of the maga verse came out for rick scott. he got eliminated on the first ballot. he only got 30 votes. he ran against mitch mcconnell two years ago and got ten votes. it shows if you are a united states senator, you are a little more interested in your own well being than what the online chatter in trump world is. so this is definitely going to be an interesting relationship. john thune is not a trump republican by background. he is much more of a

traditional gop. he is close ally of mitch mcconnell. and a lot of ways the continuation of the current leadership already a member of leadership of course. so i will be very interested to see how this relationship with the president goes, going forward. and it is not a great place to start for him frankly. when you have elon musk and tucker carlson and laura trump all sort of going after, or at least supporting your opponent. in the case of elon musk criticizing john thune. he said john thune was democrats' favorite senator. that doesn't help with the sort of base and grass roots. there will be tension points as they try to figure out how to get an agenda through. john thune has the trust of his conference, his senators. and it is i think a very smart pick. because he is a very stable and steady leader and i think that is what you will need the next couple of years.

>> smart and steady. that's an understatement as to what they will need the next couple of years up there. let's talk about this transition. and some of the other choices. we have already spoken about the controversial choice for the pentagon. >> i think the defense secretary pick will be a challenge for thune. the degree to which that could be a potential early. and the incoming president. but the picks overall, trump is moving with so much speed. it is sort of like a shock and awe week in terms of so many

cabinet appointments. very quickly rolled out. and he is picking people who are fiercely loyal who will enact his agenda and take action in a way his first term cabinet had a lot more guardrails. >> what do you think about the elon musk and vivek ramaswamy duo on this cabinet department that doesn'texist with an 18- month time frame. what could they accomplish and what about the conflicts of interest? >> both of them obviously have a number of companies that do a lot of business with the government. so you start to wonder there

are a lot of questions about the structure and process and organization of this effort. what will it look like? it is clearly an extraordinary amount of influence for elon musk. already the world's richest man and one of the most powerful individuals in the world given his private interests. and now is going to be a seat right there at the government table. he has been at trump's side helping to advise. >> he flew in on the plane today. melania was not present. but the president-elect, his children, his grandchildren were all there.

and elon musk jumped into the picture. was asked to join the picture with his four-year-old son. i think we could get up that video at some point. it was really notable. to just show he has been staying at mar-a-lago. and if you stay on that, you can see that at one point, they actually called him in. he wasn't originally posing with him. he and his son had been staying at mar-a-lago with a day or so exception election day. >> it underscores the closeness with trump and musk. musk spent so much of his own money building a ground operation to help elect trump. in terms of government efficiency, may be a little bit of pay back in the support he

provided during the campaign. >> i want to bring courtney cubie back if we can. let's talk about the proposed executive order we have read about which would change the way generals and retired generals are evaluated. what are the other steps that you can see coming about what the president-elect plans to do to the military? >> it is not just the president- elect. you played pete hegseth talking about women in combat. not even necessarily that he would move to change the policy and restrict combat roles to

women once again. they have been open to women since 2016 under ash carter and president obama. it is just the notion that a secretary of defense, the head of the pentagon thinks that women are not worthy or capable of combat roles which they have been aptly and successfully serving in the last several years could have a chilling effect on women wanting to serve in the armed forces or those who are currently serving so that is one concern. there is as you mentioned this widespread concern that this will happen. that many of the generals and senior officers who are in the pentagon and throughout the military seen as those who have promoted any diversity initiatives could become those who are taken out of their jobs. they could be fired and replaced with others, one thing

i have been struck by. hearing from the people who would be involved in this national security apparatus for donald trump is this feeling that the generals are appointed by that president and therefore that president's general. people have spoken with general brown will rougher to him as president biden's chairman. and that is really not how the military works. you know that well. the military are the constant presence throughout. no matter the what the party is. we could see that change with this new administration, andrea. and i should say, the president has the ability to appoint those and they serve at the pleasure of the president. but it is not common they come in and wipe out generals and admirals like we may see in the coming months. >> all so concerning. i think vaughn hillyard is in

mar-a-lago. let's talk about the role of elon musk and vivek ramaswamy. and some of the others. there is reporting, we have reported that part of the way the president is making his choices is to look on a big screen and videos of them performing on television which could explain pete hegseth. and some of the others. >> reporter: right, the hegseth decision coming last minute. in surprise fashion has also boding questions about who for example donald trump's attorney general pick will ultimately be. there are questions about whether there are dark horses that could be jumping in to the fold here. and could be very well the department of justice coming two months from now. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy are kind of representative of this new mold of leaders that donald trump is installing in

his administration. he named multiple czars. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy, they are not actually going inside of the government, they will be the outside advisers consultants. there would be a lot of legal questions on whether they would be required to turn in financial disclosures or ethics. but so much of this will come down from donald trump's attempted use of the executive branch. congress would give him the authority to reorganize it and eliminate departments and agencies. last time congress under the presidential reorganization act gave the president of the united states the authority to go forward with the

consolidations was back in 1984 with ronald reagan. it hasn't happened since then. and it would require the republican majorities in the senate and the house to approve that. that is where elon musk and vivek ramaswamy can go to donald trump and suggest all of these ways to cut $2 trillion of a $6 trillion annual budget and the potential firing of a major faction of the civil work force. but ultimately, it could come down to people like john thune who was just named the senate majority leader to be the last roadblock to a greater use of the executive office that donald trump has sought to use michael, vaughn was rougherring to the history here. the deeper history of a government which depending on

two seats, the republicans only need two of those seats in california. it looks likely they will have the senate, the house, and the white house. and that kind of unified government would rely on people to stand up to the president. and you'll have a lot of gridlock with the close margins in the house. >> all true. there has not been an increasing willingness of donald trump's party to stand up to him and probably less now.

why not throw in the immunity from criminal prosecution? at the same time, let's enjoy the moment. we saw donald trump and joe biden meeting at the white house, promising a smooth transition. a scene few of us could have imagined ten days ago. the first meeting of political opponents like this did not happen. that was tom adams defeated by thomas jefferson. he was so annoyed he got into the stagecoach before the inauguration. went back to massachusetts. he was out of there. at the other end of the spectrum, jimmy carter and gerald ford. ford lost in this painfully close election. 1976. yet, the meeting they had led to what they both called, i talked to them both about it. they felt they had the closest

relationship between ex-pets in american history. that will not happen here. they felt rocky campaigns would lead to the best candidates. and to join together in the end. this was a hint when donald trump talked on election night about healing the nation, don't know how serious he was. but if he was, here is a great start. >> adding to that the grace note of jill biden greeting donald trump in melania's absence. i want to make a point to all of you the transition for all of the politeness and the grace

of today which is certainly welcome. the trump administration has still not signed the memoranda of understandings. giving space and help and communication with the incoming teams. so while there is a desire on the part of the state department we are told to reach out, they are not legally permitted to reach out and offer cooperation until these legal memoranda of understanding department by department are signed. as part of the presidential transition act and that still has not happened. i do understand from mar-a-lago it was an intention to sign it. usually they are signed months earlier so the transitions can

start. monica, back to you in terms of what is actually expected to happen. it is true, we have been saying they haven't talked or met since their debate. they were both at the 9/11 ceremonies as well. so that should be noted. there was no communication and they were not literally together but there was that connection. >> there was and it was notable because it took place the day after the general election debate between vice president harris and donald trump. and they were all there at ground zero at new york city. standing there and observing that sacred day. exchanging very brief hellos and nothing more beyond that. so you're right that now this is the first real meeting between the two of them.

it is about an hour-and-a-half long, then, that this meeting has been taking place. and that is roughly the length it was in 2016 when former president obama hosted president-elect trump at the time. it was different back then. the reporters were brought in at the end of the meeting to ask for both men to offer their impressions. they spoke at the bottom of the meeting instead of the top. we are not expecting to see more from either of them. but i think another notable dynamic. vice president harris would maybe offer to host the vances. the incoming vice president- elect and his family for a meeting that is not taking place today. or for a meeting at the naval observatory. neither of those have taken

place yet. >> joining us now is democratic senator chris van holland. thank you very much, i want to ask you about mike huckabee's being chosen as ambassador to israel. he has said palestinians have no right to the land on the west bank. they also happen to live there. and there is the possibility of annexing the west bank. which would aggregate all of these u.n. resolutions. what is your reaction to him? he is an evangelical christian. >> andrea, it is good to be with you. i definitely have the concerns you just laid out here.

it will be an interesting hearing when we get to that point. anybody who knows the middle east recognizes the best long term solution to guarantee israel's security is a two- state solution. what mike huckabee has said is just the opposite. he supports the concept of a greater israel. israel controlling the entire territory from the jordan river to the mediterranean sea. that's a mike huckabee vision. it's a vision that has been embraced by the far right in israel including members of the netanyahu government so this is a recipe if he continues to pursue these views for continued instability and violence in the middle east.

so this is not a good signal. hopefully we will see what mike huckabee says at the time of his confirmation hearing. the new israeli ambassador to the united states appointed by netanyahu after trump was declared the winner is a super right winger. he was raised in pennsylvania. he then became part of the jdl, the jewish defense league which was declared a terrorist organization by the united states. he was part of the kahanist movement. this extreme right movement in israel and he is a settler who believes in annexation. so in both the netanyahu appointment and donald trump's appointment as our ambassador to israel, you see this far

right vision of israel essentially taking over the entire area of what they call greater israel. that is a recipe for instability. and continued conflict. >> there is also the pick of steve witkov witkoff. he is a money man, donor. and a good friend of donald trump's golf partner. do we know of any diplomatic experience he has to renegotiating a cease fire? >> i don't know. i have been trying to learn more about him. i don't think he has any experience in the middle east. he's a business guy. and one of the many mistakes that the trump add meditation made in this area, if you put

enough money on the table, you will entice the palestinian people to essentially bargain away their aspirations for political rights. and dignity. going forward. if that is the idea that this is some big real estate deal that you try to pay off people to surrender their dignity and rights, it's not going to work. >> finally, the choice of fox news host and military veteran pete hegseth as the defense secretary. he has denounced diversity, equity, and inclusion. he disagrees with women in combat. i don't know what he would say to senator duckworth. some who were grievously wounded in combat. but women have been a key part of piloting these fighter jets.

and this goes back more than a decade. this would not be viewed to vote on until it gets out of committee. >> yeah, a very troubling history of statements like that. we know that women can perform incredibly in our military. so this is concerning that the president would just try to pick generals with personal loyalty to him. not to the constitution. people who are more political cronies. and we are seeing that possibility when it comes to the federal civil service. where donald trump is talking about firing people part of the

merit based civil service. so lots of bad signs, a lot of things we were worry about during the election coming to roost. >> the choice for the secretary of state which has not been officially announced as the last moment i checked my phone, but has been confirmed by multiple sources that is one positive note of marco rubio being someone who has worked across the aisle and been a very good vice chair of senate intelligence. >> i worked with senator rubio on a number of things including with respect to china. i look forward to the hearings in the senate foreign relations committee to get his full views on a range of issues. that's the way the process works. i congratulated him on his

nomination. >> but you are leaving it there? he is more hawkish on china than you i suspect. >> well my view is that there are a lot of overlapping views on china. we all recognize we have to deal with the challenge that china poses. there is some overlap. there may be some differences but i want a better sense of how he will operate within the trump administration on a whole range of issues that impact our global interest. >> thank you. and our thanks of course to monica and bill, courtney, and vaughn and the whole team and michael as well. and we are taking also a live

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and as you can see, we and a gaggle of reporters waiting for south dakota senator john thune to come to the microphones on capitol hill. speaking for the first time as the newly elected senate majority leader. the first newly elected republican leader in 17 years. this is president biden and president-elect trump meeting in the oval office. trump expected to elect marco rubio for secretary of state. was seen as the potential choice. to appeal to donald trump's base.

>> i don't get to make trump administration personnel decisions and the president- elect has still not put forward anybody's name. we always found a way to work together. and most importantly, he knows and understands the absolutely critical role that american leadership plays. >> and senator, what about china? because he is considerably more hawkish i think than you are on china. >> we have never faced a challenge like china where we have an economic competitor. he may have gone further than i am certain areas but i think

having somebody vigilant to china, technology advancement, direct competition to us, having that voice is important. >> and senator rubio is not the only choice that we have been talking about here today. a very surprising choice to a lot of people is pete hegseth of fox news. a television person more than anybody else. pete hegseth for the pentagon. he is a military veteran. but he has never managed an 800 billion-dollar budget. >> i respect this gentleman's service. but i have been in the pentagon many times. it takes a while to find the bathroom. you are talking about the largest work force in america. and that is just with the official pentagon employees. you have all of the contractor

community. to throw someone in with no management experience. if you have other folks talking about bringing government efficiency? i will meet the guy and make an assessment but that's an awful big hill to climb. i don't understand how that corresponds with having somebody who will bring efficiency with the government. >> what about the choice of john radcliffe for cia? >> i supported him for that position. cia, i have some questions. you know. i respect his his service but i will have some important questions. >> jack smith is going to resign, we are told, before

donald trump can fire him. we can expect to see the report of jack smith. what is your reaction to that being the outcome? >> you know. i wish, i think for the american people, it would have been good to litigate this. so this cloud is not overhanging. i wish this could have been moved quicker but i'm not surprised at all. in light of the immunity decision that jack smith will finish his job and get out of dodge. >> we know there is a new ambassador chosen for israel subject to confirmation. that is mike huckabee who has said he is in favor of annexation of the west bank.

and has notable views on that. and steve witkoff. a big partner and donor of donald trump so be envoy to the middle east. >> mr. witkoff and i don't know. mike huckabee and i worked closely together when we were both heads of the national governor association. i have known him a long time. i don't know how you get the geo political movement that i think we would all like to see in the middle east or saudi arabia, the others are ready to come into more alliance. i don't know how those are reconcilable. we need to get to a cease fire so that we can have that realignment. i think a lot of that goes off

the table if you suddenly see a few annexation of the west bank. >> and we are seeing increasing israeli attacks in northern gaza. they are not going to put up any weapons they say that israel is making quote progress. >> i think the notion that you are going to wipe out entirely a hamas organization down to the last fighter when frankly, new fighters will spring up. this has always been a contradiction to israeli objectives, we were so close so

many times. bill burns ought to get at least a prize for his efforts. we got to make a transition. again, part of the role of rebuilding gaza, i think entities like the gulf states, the saudis, we can ask and demand for them to do more in helping rebuild gaza. but you have to have a ceasing of hostilities. >> and your reaction to senator thune? >> i worked with john thune on a lot of things. including our first tiktok bill together. i don't agree with him on everything. and he has to work, he has a challenge to work with the president-elect. but the thing about john thune is he is partisan, but he is

always a decent guy. >> we really appreciate you. >> thanks andrea. >> and joining us now is ben rhodes. we are seeing a national security cabinet. mike waltz for national security adviser, pete hegseth if he gets confirmed for pentagon. radcliffe for cia. rubio for the state. a lot of talk about patel and branel and elon musk. >> it is interesting to go back and consider if you put aside a couple of weeks when mike flynn

was there, it was hr mcmaster, rex tillerson as secretary of state. these were pretty conventional people. people that trump didn't know very well. in some cases didn't know at all. the common thread is they are people who fully signed onto the maga agenda. to cut off ukraine. this reenforces the message there should not be an expectation of any kind of medium term, forget long term support for ukraine. and they are not, yes, they are not at the far end. the far fringe. we'll see what happens to those people. but they are pushing boundaries. particularly when you talk about a fox and friends host

running the pentagon. they are pushing the boundaries of this mainstream and a common thread of antichina belligerence. so you see a teched term policy taking place. >> and a special envoy for ukraine. we don't know the name yet. >> here is my concern on ukraine, maybe putin has said nice things about trump. maybe there does need to be an end to the war. the ukrainians are losing ground. he feels like he has battlefield momentum in eastern ukraine. he feels like he is about to go on offense with north korean soldiers i think this is going to be a lot harder than donald trump, he already said that the war would end in one day after he was elected. you know, putin has his own

interests here. and he will press his advantage as far as he can. that envoy will have obviously the mandate to negotiate. but not the support of the leverage of continued u.s. assistance. i think putin is saying there is no way the ukrainians will be in for the long haul. so what incentive do i have to make concessions? >> and you were with president obama when he welcomed donald trump to the oval office. the roles reversed for biden. how hard was this for biden today? >> i can't imagine. given that the last decade has been about not sitting there welcoming donald trump to the white house. the obama experience is a strange one, when trump got in

the room with obama, he was open and not adversarial at all. he wants to get along with the person sitting in front of him. i'm sure biden was trying to make a case on support for ukraine. and whatever trump said in the room is not necessarily what he is going to do. so i have to imagine this is a pretty deflating experience in the white house today. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. that does it for us remember, follow us on social media at mitchell reports and you can watch the best parts of our show any time on youtube. go to msnbc.com. chris starts after a short break. ts after a short break. ♪ crab. bacon. ♪ ♪ shrimp for the takin' ♪ ♪ 500 locations! ♪ ♪ seven new creations ♪ ♪ come taste it! ♪ ["the glory of love" plays] giving. ♪ giving that's possible through the power of dell ai with intel. so those who receive

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