good day, i'm chris live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. putting the country first, the current and future president with the unlikeliest of photo ops smiling, shaking hands in front of a roaring fire in the

oval office. trump's response to biden's offer of help with the transition. worlds away from where the country was four years ago. for the first time in 18 years a new top republican in the senate. a secret vote that put john thune in charge and rejected the maga alternative. we expect to hear from thune any minute now. and more drama to come potentially. lawmakers respond to trump's pick for defense secretary. but choosing him is one thing. will he face a rare fight for confirmation? we begin with the extraordinary meeting between president biden and president- elect trump. no outward signs of tension.

no awkward exchanges. but the public portion of that meeting lasted less than two minutes. we don't have a read on what's going on because it is still going on. no cameras inside. but it has been about two hours that those men have been together. both of them suggesting a willingness to put a brutal campaign aside for the good of the country. >> looking forward to having a like we said smooth transition. we will get a chance to talk about some of that today. >> thank you. thank you very much. and politics is tough. and it's in many cases not a nice world but it's a nice world today and i appreciate it very much. a transition that is so smooth it will be as smooth as it can get. and i very much appreciate that. >> you're welcome. >> i want to bring in nbc's gabe gutierrez at the white house. nbc's garrett haake joins me

from washington. stewart stevens, senior adviser for the lincoln project. chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign. good to see you all. gabe, still going on, what two hours in, what more do we know? >> reporter: actually chris i can tell you within the past few moments as you were going on the air, we just received word that president-elect trump has left the white house. the meeting lasted nearly two hours. here we are just after 1:00 p.m. that is longer than the meeting between former president obama and donald trump in 2016. we are waiting for details on what was said in this meeting. president biden talked about the importance of a smooth transfer of power. and president-elect trump saying politics can be tough. so we had been awaiting here

outside the west wing a large contingency of reporters to see if president-elect trump might have come outside. offered any remarks. he did not. he quietly left. we did not get any video of his arrival or departure. a quiet entrance and exit. we are trying to get more information about what was said inside. both chiefs of staff, they were both in the room. and we also know that first lady jill biden had written a note to melania trump and handed that to donald trump when they arrived again offering her office would help

make this a smooth transition. so certainly a very consequential meeting. a white house briefing is scheduled the next few minutes to include national security adviser jake sullivan. perhaps we might get some more information there. we did know that president biden and the administration said they plan to make the case to the incoming administration the importance of maintaining aid to ukraine. we'll see if that came up. but chris, once again, the breaking news that president- elect donald trump has just left the oval office after roughly a two-hour meeting. >> gabe gutierrez at the white house. thank you very much for that. so stewart, it is uncharacteristic in a couple of ways. this was a really tough campaign. a lot of rough records were exchanged between both men about the other guy.

this was very cordial. at least the part we saw. uncharacteristic certainly for donald trump to make a deliberate decision to avoid cameras. not seen going in or going out. i wonder what you make of the dynamic you saw and what you witness today in terms of frankly just the peaceful transfer of power. >> i'm in the pro normalization camp. i think as much as we can have a normal transition and a normal presidency. that would obviously be to the country's good. you know one side will be normal. the question is what will be donald trump side be? so in many ways it is up to them. but you just knew that joe biden was going to do this. he respects these institutions and what it means to be an incoming president. and what it mean to be an outgoing president. so i think it was a serious

moment. let's see how long it lasts. but positive at face value. >> let me ask you this. he is a different person than he was when he met with barack obama. right back in 2016. he didn't know anything about being president for sure. but he didn't know anything about being on the inside of government. he was coming in from a completely different place. it is different, obviously today. he has four years of the presidency under his belt. does it surprise you at all that he even decided to do it? >> i think he wants to show to a certain degree that he can be a normal president. to a certain degree. there is a limit here how much donald trump can control what donald trump does. ultimately, it will come back to his sort of lifelong pattern of chaos.

but, look. i think right now, this is useful for him. and it is good for the country. but you know, you will see these weird appointments in all of this. it will be an indicater of what the next four years will be like. and that's not going to be normal. >> yeah. will it be aspirational? will it be an indicater, what will actually follow this. but look, there is a practical aspect to these kinds of meetings. conversations we may learn nothing about until the books are written. and maybe not even then. and maybe as if not more important, the current and incoming chiefs of staff, giver us your take on this meeting. >> yeah. i actually don't think we should be surprised at how long this meeting went or how cordial it at least appeared to be. that is what we saw from donald

trump's last meeting with barack obama. that was supposed to go 20 or 30 minutes and went 90 minutes. trump had fond things to say about obama immediately afterwards and would reference their conversation as president saying that it was obama who told him that north korea would be among the northeast pressing issues he would have to deal with as president. the opportunity to pass along that kind of sensitive information. they are talking about a lot more than just the wi-fi password in the mansion. now where you have the u.s. involved in two hot wars in other parts of the world, getting trump who has foregone the kind of briefings that would be available to him as a candidate up until this point because he didn't want to be accused of leaking anything. he has a lot to get up to speed

on. and his top aide credited with running a tight ship. a brief tenure working for ron desantis has been out of the governing part of politics for some time. getting her back up to speed, i think is probably equally important. >> so always with me is douglas brinkley. it is good to see you. look, of course, garrett just laid out what this meeting can be. when you look at the picture, the two men shaking hands, smiling, that blazing fire between them. as a show of a constitutional peaceful transition, does this photo, does the video speak a thousand words and if so, what does it say to the country and

the world? >> well, 2024 was a strange and brutal political year. joe biden not doing the super bowl commercial. the moving of the presidential debates to the spring instead of the fall. the deer in the headlights performance by biden. harris becoming the democratic party nominee. trump being shot at butler. we can go on and on and on. it has been kind of a surreal carnival and this has a calming effect. thanksgiving is coming. some people feel thank goodness the election is over. and seeing the photos of them together in a genial fashion talking public policy and world affairs, it is heartwarming and reminds us we can go on. it is the absolute right thing. >> this is a president who elected a president.

and in many ways elected him because of the fact that he doesn't follow norms. he doesn't speak the way past presidents have spoken. and yet here you have whether you want to call it the most normal or constitutional kind of event. does it say maybe there is still relevance in them? >> well it is certainly civility here which is awfully nice. but let's not be mistakened on what's happened here. i'm sure each of them are rolling their eyes at certain things the others said. joe biden has spent a lifetime fighting on behalf of nato. he is one of the great cold warriors and i'm sure he is cou

zelenskyy and the ukraine to remind trump not to abandon the atlantic alliance. there was talk about climate change and whether it is really smart to pull out of international agreements or not. and look, whoever trump is picking now, their big thing is maga loyalty so if you are a trump person, you are loving trump's picks. if you are a biden or harris person, you are looking at his picks as rock bottom remainder s. the fact you have michelle obama not wanting to meet with jill biden, still animosity about the justice department raid on mar-a-lago. there is a lot of bad blood

here. but it doesn't behoove biden to not do this. after all, he may have to pardon his son hunter. he would love it if trump would do it for him. but trump might say look, you know. i'll stay quiet about that. do what you have to do. they are also going to be the stars of the inaugural, particularly, you know, the trumps, biden will be there, will others? will bill and hillary clinton show up for the inaugural? will nancy pelosi be there or aoc or bernie sanders? will a boycott of it by a whole group of democrats where the party will be split. biden has cast his lot that he thinks the best strategy is to show up, be there, grant the transition courtesies to trump

and go out as a class act. >> lake you said, we'll have to wait for the leaks. feel free to interrupt my show at any point if you get any inside info. but let me ask you about something else. the president-elect also had a meeting with house republicans this morning and i want to play part of what one texas republican had to say about it. >> there is no question he is the leader of the party. he has a mission statement. his goals, his possibilityives, what that is, we need to embrace it. all of it. every single word. if donald trump says jump three feet high and scratch your head, we all jump three feet high and scratch our heads. >> stewart is he right? >> i think that was a pretty humiliating bit of tape there for somebody to say. you are running for congress and you will advocate any

decision you might make? why do that? why not just have somebody out there who will call it in and check a box? it is not what congress is supposed to be. the role of the elements of government. the reason people say stuff like this is to curry favor with donald trump. because ultimately, donald trump is an authoritarian. ultimately he wants this kind of deference. this is what somebody would say in north korean. it is not how america was constructed. but look, you know. he's a guy, an obscure congressman from texas. he will say anything he can to get favor with donald trump. >> time will tell about all of

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political games playing out in realtime. senate republicans made a huge decision. choosing south dakota senator john thune as their next majority leader. following two secret allies. he beat out john cornyn and rick scott. house republicans are holding their own leadership elections. speaker mike johnson specifically facing a challenge from hard line conservatives. all of them getting a personal thank you from trump himself ahead of that vote. >> nice to win. i just want to thank everybody. you have been incredible. we worked with a lot of you to get you in. you helped me. we won which is great because republicans are not supposed to be winning the majority, you know that right? >> aleigh reports on capitol hill.

>> so allie, let's talk about the reaction to thune. do we know what went on behind closed doors? >> i have been standing in that hallway you are showing on the screen for the last several hours because republican lawmakers have been at this since about 9:00 this morning. voting behind closed doors. senator john thune assuming the leadership mantle and he is doing so at a pivotal moment. with mcconnell leaving the post, it's the first time in 18 years they have had to consider someone other than mcconnell of kentucky for this role. so a real moment not just in the trump era but for the senate republican group to figure out who should lead them. thune cuts an interesting profile. what he always had to do was mend fences with the president- elect who he had at times

butted heads with. earlier this year, i remember being at senator tim scott's presidential campaign launch where john was one of the key people endorsing scott as the way forward for the republican party. of course, a lot has happened between the beginning of the year and now. he has worked to mend fences with trump and did well enough to notch well more than the 27 votes in order to get to this post. they are still rounding out the leadership slate and going through the process of listening to people. we will see the new leadership come out and talk about what they are going to do with control of the house.

>> what do you think we can expect from a john thune led senate? >> you know i think this will be a really hard job. my time in the senate. the only senate republicans i knew was mitch mcconnell. there is going to be a really big power vacuum that is going to need to be filled here. he was, you know, the favorite for the choice to be majority leader so i don't think there are a ton of huge surprises but there was maga world putting a lot of weight behind a rick scott candidate. it is telling that senators chose senator thune as opposed to rick scott for the incoming year. what will be really important is that thune will be demanded by president trump-elect to be very quick with his agenda when it comes to things like immigration and tax policy. there will not be a lot of

leniency from president-elect trump on any delays when he comes into the senate. >> what should we read into the fact that a maga favorite got eliminated immediately? >> those are sort of the rules of this process. scott challenged mcconnell. that was then at the time seen as a long shot bid. but more to send a message of the growing power of the pro maga faction. we know more maga members have been elected since then. the voting pool was more stacked in maga favor. he was able to notch 13 votes on the first balloting round and the rules come into play. if you got the least amount of votes on the first balloting round out of the three people who were running the rules dictate you got to drop out.

that is how people thought this race was going to shake out anyway. it is more important to talk about the role scott could play as an outside factor. there is and has been an agitating outside grouping in this senate conference and it will be interesting to see given the way that those people are more aligned with trump and have personal relationships with him as well. is it possible we start seeing a lot of interrepublican fights as they try to move forward? i imagine these will be ways that trump tries to continue to enact leverage on a senate majority leader to get things done in the pace and in the fashion with which he wants them to be done in. but the senate and congress, and you had this conversation with stewart stevens an others, troy nells on the house side says let's do everything trump

says. on the senate side of this building, they have in the past wanted to keep and observe their independence as ad deliberate body. all of those are real questions we will have to wait to see answers for. >> this is the first time that we have seen a new majority leader in the past 18 years for the republicans. so look, it has always been sort of lore on the hill that the upper chamber is more civil than the house. and of course, you have fewer people to deal with. fewer people to make trouble. but do you think he gets a honeymoon? >> i don't think there is going to be a honeymoon at all.

they will have to act so quickly to confirm. interestingly, president-elect trump indicated he wanted to go forward with potential recess appointments. and all of the candidates running for majority leader at the time indicated quickly they would be able to do that. that is a constitutional authority granted to the senate to vet and confirm nominees and they are saying if they are not moving quick enough, there is a pocket they would take extraordinary measures here to circumvent the senate entirely. >> thank you both. still ahead, strong reaction to donald trump's pick for secretary of defense including a single word. who? what we know about the fox news host he wants to put in charge of the world's most powerful military. next. military. next. upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast

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oh, the reaction today. swift and surprised to president-elect's choice to run the department of defense. fox news host pete hegseth. a veteran of the iraq war, but not experienced to lead the military. even republican senators were caught off guard by the news. >> just announced he is

nominating pete hegseth, a fox news host, as his secretary of defense. >> wow. >> what are your thoughts on that? >> um, i just said wow. >> pete hegseth of fox news. what is your reaction on this. >> who? >> first of all, it surprised me. i don't know who saw it coming. the thing i read the most every day are news stories about the military. i did not see it coming. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard is following this story on the ground near mar-a-lago. okay vaughn, a lot of surprise on the hill. what more can you tell us about him and what do we know about

why him? >> reporter: again, those were the reaction of republican lawmakers. pete hegseth's name was not in the conversation is the potential head of the pentagon. let's be clear. he is a decorated veteran and served multiple tours but he has never held a leadership position within the pentagon or within the army. and that is where the concern is paramount. pete hegseth spent the last decade as the cohost of the weekend edition of fox and friends and he has openly suggested that women have not contributed to the u.s. military forces' effectiveness. you heard that response which he said that podcast that was reported, it should be clearment it was published online. just this last thursday. so this is new remarks from pete hegseth in which he was

asked about how he would eliminate the so-called wokeness from the military. his response was the secretary of defense should have the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff fired. and generals and admirals who adhere to wokeness. it is emblematic of the pentagon that pete hegseth has publicly said that should be implemented. the question is whether he could get confirmed by this republican u.s. senate. and to what extent would he actually seek to remove some of the top military officials who would report directly to him. >> so the head of alisting veteran organization wrote this. quote. he is undoubtically the least qualified nominee and the most overtly political. adding a dire warning brace yourself america. is that a little sky is falling

or do you agree? >> this came out of left field. going into it with harvard, princeton. pretty good opening credentials. he has written books. he is very active in the veteran's community. he is very smart. he is telegenic. he is in tune with president- elect trump. and we should assume he will be concerned. so the questions are, not whether he can run the bureaucracy of the 2.1 million person organization. they will get someone in there to buttress him. but the question will be his policies and those of the

president-elect. will we turn ukraine over to a murderous thug putin? what will happen in terms of peace in the middle east? will we abandon nato, the foundation of our national security? nevermind the culture wars of the u.s. armed forces, the biggest merit based organization on the face of the earth. women, minorities play a vital role in that defense. we have a question his politics. >> let's talk about who he would have under him to execute the policies. obviously, there has been a lot of reporting and nbc news has this reporting that donald trump is expected to replace top military officers including the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. he wants generals he believes will be more aligned with his own goals and then in addition to that, he has been a very outspoken voice against women in combat. let me play ha he had to say

about that recently. >> i'm straight up saying we should not have women in combat roles. it has not made us more effective or lethal. has made fighting more complicated. we have all served with women and they are gate. it is just our institutions don't have to incentivize that in places where traditionally, not traditionally, over human history, men in those positions are more capable. >> i need to interrupt this and go to capitol hill where the newly elected leader of the majority senate john thune is speaking. let's listen. >> it's a new day in the united states senate and a new day in america. the american people have loudly rejected the failed policies of the biden harris schumer agenda. and this republican team is united. we are on one team. we are going to enact president

trump's agenda. we have a mandate from the american people not only to clean up the mess left by the biden harris schumer agenda, but also to deliver on president trump's priorities. we will make sure the president and his team have the tools they need to enforce border security laws and remove the violent criminals wreaking havoc in our states. we will work to make america prosperous by streamlining the bureaucratic machine and overturning cosily regulations and work to restore american energy dominance. not just security but dominance. which will lower costs and bolster our national security. i'm excited to get to work with this team right away. and i want to thank my colleagues who placed their faith in me to serve as leader. and to those supporting a candidate, i promise to be a leader who serves the entire

republican conference. we will have an ambitious agenda. and it will take each and every republican working together to be successful. i want to turn things over to senator john barasso. the newly elected republican whip. >> thanking you. when election night in america saw the remaking of the republican party for the better. this election was about answering to the question of are you better off now than you were four years ago, the american people said no. only one in four americans thought the country was headed in the right direction. and you have seen the republican party grow in terms of hard working middle class families. minorities and young people and families struggling to get by. i was all over the country with president trump, with jd vance and a number of our senate candidates. one of the stories that stuck with me was a woman in michigan

who talked about the fact she was embarrassed to let her husband know she had to go to the local food bank in order to get by. republicans listened to those stories. democrats were focused on president trump. republicans were focused on the needs of the american people. wanted us to unleash american energy. people wanted to make america look and be strong once again around the world. that's what the republicans listened to. that is what we are responding to. and we are working together to make sure we put america back on track. >> the newly elected republican conference chair is the senator from arkansas, senator tom cotton. >> thank you senator thune. i'm looking forward to working with senator thune and the rest

of the leadership team. i'm grateful for the confidence my peers have placed in me. we all remember what it was like when president trump was in office and we had republicans in charge of the senate. low prices. high wages. we had a secure border and a strong military. we had a peaceful stable world. starting on january 3rd, that's what we will all be working to build again. with president trump. with mike johnson and the rest of the house republicans. on behalf of the american people. thank you all. >> thanks tom. the newly elected republican policy chair is the senator from west virginia. >> thank you, and congratlation to our new leader john thune. i look forward to serving with him and to all of our leadership team. i want to thank the others that ran. we had a strong healthy discussion and we have all come out united and friends. one of the people in our discussion is one of the people that is, although he didn't say

anything, his presence was very much felt. and that is the vice president- elect jd vance. the fact he was not only a voting member of our conference, but also in there with us every step of the way to make sure that the direction we will go is a united conference and with me leading the policy issues and all of us working together, that we will have the united voice. and i will say one thing about the election. i said this on all my local stations. what i think the biggest issue was, it is literally the american family, the mom and the dad, the grandmother, whoever it is, going to the grocery store. we do it all the time. every week. and we could see, all of us could see the escalating cost of something so basic to us, just the cost of food and hearing from the vice president and her campaign, the economy

is doing great. don't worry. so we hear the voices, we hear them loud and clear, those are the voices we will respond to along with president trump through the next several years. >> the newly elected senate republican conference vice chair. the senator from oklahoma. james langford. >> congratulations to john thune. we are looking forward to his great leadership there. republicans were asked a simple thing. can you get us back on track? over 70% of the country believes the country is on the wrong track. our task will be very simple. to defend our values. and bring prosperity to people struggling now. that's a primary issue for us and all of those things are things we will get onto immediately. because the american people have spoken and said we do not like the direction the country is going. this leadership team, president trump, jd vance, we are headed

in a direction to be able to get the country back on track that she is looking for. and the newly elected chairman of the senate national republican senatorial committee chair is the senator from south carolina senator tim scott. >> without any question, president trump set out to make sure americans felt like this country and the american dream was alive and well and there for them. from the border to fixing the economy, restoring confidence on the global stage, president trump has been very clear on his agenda. our goal is to make sure we achieve those octaves. my passion is making sure we defend our current seats and

expand the map and expand our majority so that president trump does not have two years with the republican majority in the senate, but four years, making sure that americans agenda comes home to each and every household. >> a couple of quick questions. >> do you have any concerns about president trump's cabinet picks so far and what advice will you give him when it comes to choosing nominees who will pass confirmation? >> as you know, the senate has an advise and consent role in the constitution so we will do everything we can to process his nominees quickly. get them installed in their positions so they can begin to implement his agenda. >> leader thune, you said that recess appointments are on the table. that's a key demand from donald trump. will you move forward on that? >> what we will do is make sure that we are processing his nominees in a way that gets them into those positions so

they can implement his agenda. how that happens remains to be seen. make sure these nominees report out the floorment but i have said this and i mean it, that we expect a level of cooperation from the democrats to work with us to get these folks installed. obviously, we will look at and explore all options to make sure they get moved quickly. >> will the legislative filibuster remain unchanged? >> yes. >> how do you intend to balance maintaining the independence of the senate with passing the president-elect's agenda? >> the senate is by the founders' design a place where the minority has a voice. in our process. and we will do the job they

intended us to do. that is to work with this president that undoze a lot of the damage of the biden harris agenda and move our country in a different direction. >> republicans taking control of the senate and introducing their new leadership team. and the majority leader john thune. he called it a new day in america laying out the priorities that president trump has made very clearment he has held that includes border security, the economy, and energy. what they call energy dominance. remember when he said he was going to be a dictator on day one. drill, drill, drill. is what president-elect trump said. let me bring in allie watching there from the hill. a couple of things, i was

listening to james langford. he is right. he is right that americans care about grocery prices and think america is on the wrong track. when they say they fix it, i'm not so sure about what. but that was your take away? >> i also share your skepticism on that. because it is not congress who can directly dictate the price of groceries and so, that is going to be one of the key components as we start seeing this congress move forward in earnest. looking ahead to how they will hit the ground work to hit the ground running when trump gets back in the white house. i think it is worth pausing and i think maybe to a casual viewer this is not as stark as it is to those of house spend time doing these kinds of press conferences with leadership from both parties. the fact mitch mcconnell was

not there leading this cohort of republicans is a stark moment. it is an inflection point not just for republicans but the senate at large. he is steeped in the procedure of this building. he is a tactician. that is why it is important not just to mark the end of the mcconnell era but make note that thune was someone who was the number two to mcconnell for many years here. really seeing the way he ruled over republicans and this chamber. the ways the maga faithful might try to bend the body to its will. the way that thune reacts at those moments will be really telling because he is someone who was willing in the past to criticize or part ways with the then former president. now president-elect. he clearly did not want to take the chance today of weighing in

when it came to some of the people that we have already seen nominated. instead, he just said they want to go through a quick nominating process. whether that ends up looking like putting nominees together in batches. will it be a clear rubber stamp when it comes to putting together this trump cabinet and confirming them? we will see. the senate is a place where if all 100 senators decide to do something, they can do that. so thune laying out that marker early. saying we will do this in the fastest way possible. but we don't yet know how it is going to go. you heard him give a short flat answer. he said will you preserve the senate filibuster, he flatly said yes. that is something democrats are listening to closely. other republicans might be listening to closely. that is where we talk about hitting the 60-vote threshold.

not that simple majority. that will be important, too. for the way that republicans go forward. they have a majority, but not a 60 vote majority. and that will be key. >> in addition to being mcconnell's number two, he has been around a while. he has institutional knowledge for sure. as you do ali. thanks so much. we have breaking news, a teenager pleading guilty to one of the most prolific swatting cases ever. why officials say he was trying to cash in on the chaos. next. that actworks.

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breaking news. 18-year-old allen filian faces 18 counts of making false threats of violence. swatting is when a fake threat is made to try to get law enforcement to respond causing chaos and potentially injuries. nbc's ken dilanian is following this for us. ken, officials say he was trying to profit from this alleged scheme? walk us through the case. >> reporter: that's right. authorities are calling him a serial swatter and this is one of the worst cases they have prosecuted. according to the plea agreement

from august 22 to january 2024, he made more than 375 swatting and threat calls. making claims of having planted bombs. threats to detonate bombs. his targets included religious institutions. high schools, universities, government officials. he was 16 when he placed the majority of these calls. in a social media post last year, he claimed when he swatted someone, he usually gets the cops to drag the victim and their families out of the house, cuff them and search the house for dead bodies. authorities said he became a swatter for fun and profit. in january he was arrested on florida state charges. he has been in custody ever since. he faces a maximum pent of five years in prison on each of those four counts. a sentencing date has not yet

been set. chris. >> thank you very much, ken dilanian, we want to go live to the white house press briefing room. jake sullivan talking about the message president biden has for our allies. let's listen. >> america's standing with its alliances investing in its alliances and asking its allies to step up and do their part is central to american strength and capacity. it has been one of the causes of president biden's life. you suggested he would make the case not to walk away from ukraine. >> i will only note that president biden reenforced his view that the united states standing with ukraine is in our

national security interest because a strong europe, a stable europe, standing up to aggressors and dictators and pushes back is vital to ensuring we don't get dragged into a war which has happened twice in the 20th century on the european continent. so the president has made this case. he will continue to make this case privately and publicly and make the case our investment in ukraine, the funds that the congress has appropriated, these are not just dollars we are picking up and shipping to another country. they are dollars we are investing here in the united states. in american jobs. things we are building to expand our own industrial base and military capacity to deter other adversaries all around the world. so he laid this out. he will continue to make this case as we go forward. and as we go through this transition, it will be our responsibility as the national security team to lay out for

the incoming team what we see and in terms of the current situation, and how we believe that the united states of america through this transition and beyond can put ukraine in the strongest possible position on the battlefield. >> the families will meet with president biden today. we heard from the families they would like to see the biden administration and the incoming trump administration work together to try to secure the release of these hostages. do you see room for cooperation to try to get the deal before biden leaves office? >> i met with the hostages myself yesterday. as you noted, president biden will meet with the families of the hostages and president biden will meet with them very shortly. they asked me this question. and i was very simple and emphatic with them. yes, we are prepared to work with the incoming team on a

bipartisan basis to do everything in our collective american power to secure the release of the hostages, both living and deceased. so we are open to have that engagement. have that collaboration and we will continue to work in every remaining day that president biden has in office that we have in these jobs to try to bring those hostages home to their loved ones. >> there has been no discussion with the trump team? >> i will say that this is a topic the american hostages being held in gaza today. we have not had a chance to engage with the incoming team yet. we are willing to do so and we are v done a signal that we are prepared to welcomer with them on this issue because president biden's cardinal direction to us is ensure a smooth and