congressman gaetz asked for a pardon? >> he told me. >> tell us about that. >> he told me to ask meadows for a pardon. >> mr. gaetz was personally pushing for a pardon. he was doing so since early december. >> pardons are generally for criminals and people worried that their own conduct could be prosecuted. we will keep on this story. that news broke today. if you a want to connect with me go to ari melber.com and sign up for my free email list. or go to social media @arimedical better. we have work to do. there is a lot going on. you can keep in touch that way. if the internet and social media is not your thing, that's fine. i will be back at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. keep it locked on msnbc. we will do this together, report the facts together. next up is the read out with joy read. tonight on "the reidout."

>> i really saw this as a deeply troubling challenge for my family on march 16 when people were, you know, talking about a minor, that there were pictures of me with child prostitutes. that's, obviously, fashion. there will be no such pictures because no such thing happened. >> matt gaetz, a few years ago, trying to explain the sex trafficking allegations that he denies. but the house ethics committee is still investing. naturally, he is now donald trump's choice to be our attorney general. meanwhile, adulterer and hand-washing denier pete hegseth is set to make the leap from the fox comfy couch to leading the pentagon. because trump likes him on tv. also tonight, safeguarding democracy. democratic governors are joining together to offer a unified resistance to trump 2.0.

illinois governor j.b. pritzker will join me. we begin tonight with the letter k for kakistocracy. it's government by the worst people. which is exactly what donald trump is looking for as he begins to fill out his second a administration. and each appointment gets crazier and more dangerous than the last. trump is choosing a long list of his most ardent tv defenders to serve in his administration. we told you about trump's choice of marco rubio as secretary of state, and "fox & friends" weekend host pete hegseth for defense secretary, more on him shortly. today we learned that former congresswoman tulsi gabbard, a former defender of syrian dictator bashar al assad picket to be director of natural intelligence. the same woman russia state tv

called our friend back in 2022. but perhaps the most let's just say revealing and potentially the most dangerous appointment happened just a few hours ago. this guy was announced to be the next u.s. attorney general. this is no joke. donald trump announced florida congressman matt gaetz as his pick. matt gaetz. the florida congressman to be the top law enforcement official in america. as one official -- one federal prosecutor told nbc news, i'm struggling to find the words. it's a clear signal that trump is not kidding when he said he is going to go after his perceived enemies and gaetz is just the type of person to see it through. it is an element of an autocracy that when you intend to do things that might be obscene or even illegal, you would want to

make sure that your appointments are people who have some dirt under their fingernails. and, oh, gaetz has plenty of it. this is a guy who has been under federal criminal investigation in the past involving the alleged sex trafficking of a 17-year-old girl. an investigation conducted by the very department he is now being tapped to lead. gaetz has repeatedly denied the claims. while the criminal investigation ended last year without charges against him, the house ethics committee continued to investigate the allegations and subpoenaed gaetz in september. gaetz was also investigated for allegedly showing fellow members nude photos of women on his phone, on the house floor. here is republican senator markwayne mullin talking about that. >> there is a reason why no one in the conference came to defend him, because we had all seen the videos he was showing on the house floor that all of us

walked away of the girls he had slemt with. he bragged about how he would crush e.d. medicine and chase it with energy drinks so he could go all night. >> this is also someone who we learned during the january 6th committee hearings pushed to receive a blanket pardon from then-president trump. >> and was representative gaetz requesting a pardon? >> i believe so. >> the general tone was we may get prosecuted because we were defensive of, you know, the president's positions on these things. >> how do you know that congressman gaetz asked for a pardon? >> he to told me. >> tell us that. >> he told me to ask meadows for a pardon. >> mr. gaetz was pushing for a pardon and he was doing so since early december. the only reason i know to ask for a pardon because you think you have committed a crime.

>> you have to wonder why he was so interested in getting a pardon. well, won't matter now. since he is likely on track to become the next attorney general. welcome to the american -- joining me is nbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor olivia troy, counterterrorism advisor to former vice president mike pence. olivia, i want to start with you by playing markwayne mullin now. back then had a principled objection to matt gaetz. here he is on cnn much more recently. today, actually. >> are you going to vote for matt gaetz? >> matt gaetz, there is no question that we have had our differences. they have been very public about it. i completely trust president trump's decision-making on this one. but at the same time he has to sell himself. there is a lot of questions that will be out there.

he has to answer the questions, and, hopefully, he is able to answer the questions right. if he can, then we'll go through the confirmation process. >> do you even believe that they are going to answer questions? they should if they have an interest in the american people in american democracy. do you trust that they will? >> i want to believe would and i want to believe that this is even too far for a lot of the republicans on the hill. but i don't trust it at this point. we have seen them fall back in line, we have seen them do the tap dancing that we just watched right now, and i think that as much as, you know, we'd like to believe that some of these people have integrity and they are going to do the right thing for the greater good. country since we used to be a country of laws and would like to remain that way, i would hope, i don't know. i have no trust in the system right now. >> i think that's fair. glen, your concerns as a former employee of the doj and what are you hearing from folks there about this appointment?

>> yeah, joy, you know, you and your lead-in reminded us that matt gaetz was investigated for potential child sex trafficking. however, he was never indicted. that's an important data point. >> yes. >> but what was part and parcel of that investigation? the fbi prepared a sworn affidavit with evidence that satisfied a federal judge that there was probable cause to believe there was evidence of crime in matt gaetz's cellphone, issued a search and seizure warrants and his phone was seized. it's not like this was some kind of a witch hunt. this was based on evidence. and as you say, he is still being investigated by the house ethics committee. i see this, joy, as calculated by donald trump to send a message to the good people at the department of justice, 110,000 strong, the men and women, and i was proud to be one of them for decades, doing the

people's work. you know, attorneys and support staff who care about honesty, integrity, ethics, the rule of law and allegiance to the constitution. this this is donald trump sending a message to them y'all might as well get out now while the getting is good because look who your boss may be. matt gaetz. what self-respecting federal prosecutor would want to work under a guy like matt gaetz? >> yeah, good question. let me play it that person that you just described, matt gaetz, talking about what he calls "lawfare" against donald trump. >> we are here today to authoritatively express that president trump did not commit an insurrection. the "lawfare" against donald trump will do great damage beyond our time in public service. we are on a mission to rescue and save this country and we ride or die with donald trump to the end! >> that's the potential new attorney general.

you know, nightmare with me. how much damage could he theoretically do? >> i mean, it's sickening to think that this person could be in charge of all of the different things that affect americans across the board. our civil rights. what's he going to do when hate crimes happen? what is he going to do when we have the rise of hate across the country we see every single day, even more so now when some of these people are emboldened to care out acts? what's going to happen with checks and balances when someone in the administration tries to skirt the rule of law? those were numerous situations that happened during my tenure in the white house, during my tenure in the trump administration. there were even things that bill barr helped aligned, right. there were other people in the room. we don't have that. picture this. now matt gaetz sitting the situation room having these debates on policy and saying, go ahead, i have got your back. that is what many of us were warning about.

this is the worst-case scenario to be honest. and i think glen is right. i worked with a lot of the people at doj and people that serve in the anybody under doj. i mean, this is just really alarming and i wonder whether there will be mass resignations. that really actually worries me more so because what does that department look like going forward. >> it's frightening. the thing is that if you go through all of the picks here, marco rubio, who will be secretary of state. hegseth heg. we will talk about him more later. matt gaetz. kristi noem, did a funny dance with trump on stage swaying. tulsi gabbard, director of national intelligence. my god. >> 9/11 conspiracy theorist. >> yeah. mike huckabee. elise stefanik. this is not a cast of greats. john ratcliffe, cia director. elon musk essentially put in charge of parts of the government, cutting government. he is not even -- he couldn't be president because he wasn't born in the united states, but he has

no government experience. he is going to be in charge. do we have -- i mean, let me just play for you because the idea that senators would say no, that john thune, who will be the new senate majority leader will somehow try to block this, the reason i have the same doubts you do. troy nehls represents the way it's going to go down in capitol hill next year. take a listen. >> there is no question he is the leader of the party. he has a mission statement. his mission and goals and objectives, whatever that is, we need to embrace it. all of it t, every single word. if donald trump said jump three feet high and scratch your head, we jump three feet high and scratch our heads. that's it. >> that's the way it works. there are 20 republican senators up for re-election in 2026. and donald trump is standing it there today on capitol hill with elon musk next to him. the implied threat being he has billions of dollars and twitter.

do what i say or you don't have a job. >> they wanted to change the trajectory of the direction that we were going in, donald trump auto not be president today. he would not have been the nominee for the party. this would have been over. >> yeah. >> back when he tried to overturn a free and fair election, right? >> yeah. >> so that is where we are. that's why i don't have confidence. i want to. this is my former party, this republican party that i belonged to for my entire life, and believed in. but they are not exhibiting the characteristics that i believed in such as actually standing for the rule of law. i mean, i think we are headed for one of the most probably the most corrupt presidency we have seen in our lifetime here in the united states. >> glen, that could include going after anyone that donald trump wants to from the january 6th committee. anyone that he has wants to that are republicans who stood against him. you know, people like our dear friend olivia here, i mean, anyone who stood against donald trump has now got a sycophant in the a.g.'s office that if trump

says prosecute him, former presidents, bidens, whoever, he could do it? >> yeah. joy, who will be setting law enforcement priorities if matt gaetz is the attorney general? it will be matt gaetz. he will likely be directing the fbi to if after donald trump's perceived enemies whether there is evidence of wrongdoing or not. i have a feeling the first criminal file matt gaetz might ask to be brought to his office if he is god forbid confirmed as attorney general will be his own criminal investigation so he can see who the witnesses against him are and maybe what needs to be done against that them. >> not only that, glen, but the -- you know, everything that was in the jack smith indictments, all of that is gone, right? i mean, donald trump has now effectively gotten away with attempted overthrow of the government and he now has attorney general that is his guy. >> yeah, it's gone, joy. it's gone in as much as we are

probably not going to see criminal prosecutions. the reporting is jack smith is winding them down. let's hope he is gearing up to issue a special counsel report that reveals everything, including a lot of the information and evidence we don't know about yet, at least it will be saved for history and posterity and a matt gaetz and donald trump won't be able to just get rid of it all together. >> yeah. we shall see. glen and olivia, thank you very much. god help america. coming up, a deep dive into another one of donald trump's confounding cabinet picks with his proposed leader of the pentagon taken straight from his own personal central casting. namely, fox. stay with us. chase really knows how to put the hart in your local community. see what i did there? hey, jackie! (♪♪) evan, my guy! you're helping them with savings, right? (♪♪) i wish i had someone like evan when i started. somebody just got their first debit card! ice cream on you? ooo, tacos!

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as trump compiles his cabinet, he is prioritizing one of his favorite things. people who make him happy on tv. and it's equal parts comical and horrible. among the shockingly cartoonish cast of characters, he has picked a telegenicnovist to be the next secretary of defense, a position that oversees some 2 million employees. fox weekend host pete hegseth. a national guard veteran who served in iraq, afghanistan, and guantanamo before joining the cast of the comfy couch. hegseth has lots of questionable and controversial positions whether he is schilling for an ammunition company or talking

about personal hygiene. >> freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press. we vote with our feet and our dollars to stay free. >> i don't think i washed my hands for ten years. really. i don't really wash my hands ever. >> help me. >> no, i inoculate myself. it's just not -- germs are not a real thing. >> jokes aside, and, you know, a bit of personal nausea aside as well, hegseth also has some terrifying thoughts about the united states military that he is now poised to lead. >> you think a huge one is women in combat. i think the way they pushed that under obama in a way that had nothing, zero to do with efficacy, zero to do with legality and capability. >> you don't like women in combat? >> no. i got to fire, you know, fire

the chairman joint chiefs and, obviously, bring in the secretary of defense. any general involved, general, admiral, whatever involved in the dei woke [ bleep ]'s got to go. >> and make no mistake. he has already had an influence on donald trump's decision-making. not the first time trump considered hegseth for a cabinet post. he eyed making him veterans affairs secretary in his his administration. hegseth successfully lobbied trump to pardon two u.s. service members accused of war crimes. and to give clemency to eddie gallagher, a former navy s.e.a.l. described by former colleagues as, quote, freaking evil accused of stabbing a 17-year-old isis prisoner to death with a hunting knife and taking photos with his body. naturally, veterans groups are alarmed by trump's choice of one of the least qualified picks to lead the defense department in u.s. history. so are people at the pentagon where the news was met with,

quote, bewilderment and worry. one defense lobbyist asked politico who the f is that? largely the same reaction has nomination garnered among republican senators on capitol hill. >> trump just announced that he's nominating pete hegseth, the fox news host, as the secretary of defense. >> wow. >> what are your thoughts on that? >> um, i just said wow. >> pete hegseth was just nominated to be the secretary of defense. >> who? >> pete hegseth from fox news. do you have any reaction? >> who? >> yeah, but here's the thing. part of the purpose of autocracy is to kill expertise and intelligence. none of these normal criteria for positions of power matter. it's all just bread and circuses for the masses who just watch the show. and while the short-term effect to make american government a ridiculous idiocracy, it also

runs the risk of making people just laugh and tune out. making it easier to get people to accept the unacceptable, while the insiders literally loot the country bare. and for the autocrat, it's simple. if you want a military that's going to do things that a normal professional military would refuse to do like, say, hurt american citizens on u.s. soil on the president's orders, it helps to have a military that's less professional. like replacing former four-star general lloyd austin with someone who cut his teeth interfering trump voters in diners and hawking ammo online in goofy sunglasses. helps to have the unqualified and unserious in place if you want the military to obey unlawful orders since the dedicated public servants currently there wouldn't go along. so naturally the trump administration has plans for them, too. and that's coming up next.

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♪♪ donald trump's pick to lead the pentagon fox weekend host pete hegseth has advocated for the firing of senior military leaders that he deems too woke. and donald trump's administration already has a plan for that. "the wall street journal" first reported that trump's transition team is considering a draft executive order that establishes a warrior board of retired

senior military personnel with the power to review three and four star officers and to recommend removal of any deemed unfit for leadership. if donald trump approves the order, it could fast track the removal of generals and admirals found to be lacking in, quote, requisite leadership qualities. in other words, a shortcut to allowing trump to build a full maga military that should terrify us all. joining me is retired army major general, paul eaton. to get your top line response to this idea of a, quote, warrior board. >> joy, thanks for having me on tonight. what we're talking about is a purity board. this is designed to just absolutely root out anybody who is not going to demonstrate fealty to the new president, and

will create a terrific problem in the armed forces as far as cohesion goes and mutual trust. it's a pretty bad idea. we knew it was coming out of project 2025. but this is the instrument to do it. >> and intellectuals like mark milley arcs a bright man, and john kelly, both admitted that donald trump is a fascist to the core said milley, should they be concerned about retribution from that kind of board? >> i would expect so. we have seen this before in history, different armies. the most notable is the stalin army early in world war ii when he went through a purge of his center corpse. it sewed deep mistrust in the atmosphere corps and created an incompetent army that solved their problem with cannon meat, as they called it back then, still do. >> y'all. let's play pete hegseth, the gentleman who is going to be the

new secretary of defense. here he is defending january 6th attackers. >> these are people that understand first principles, love freedom and free markets and see exactly what anti-american left has done to america. don't have to believe the election was stolen to know that the system has begown un to undt people who love our country. that's what they were there. >> he said they need to rename military bases for confederates. what do you make of this appointment? >> well, mr. hegseth served honorably up to the rank of majorle. and he has the requisite experience that you would expect a major to have. the pentagon is a very large, complex, diverse organization that requires somebody with gravitas, notably absent with mr. hegseth. if you look at lloyd austin and

the experience that he has, the biographical sketch of our serving secretary of defense is stunning in how it created a real secretary of defense. absent in the case of mr. hegseth. that is a -- if you are going to burn down the house, why don't you start with burning down the department. that's what's going on right now. >> yeah. hegseth has said he would like to have movie producer produce the videos to recruit presumably the same kind of young men who voted from donald trump from the man-o-sphere, to get women out of the military, to get all of the diversity out of the military. i think about that, i can't help but think of mark he isberg, a former trump defense secretary to said that donald trump wanted to be able to have the military shoot protesters.

why can't we shoot them in the legs, he said. do you have a concern that the concern is for esper to lead a new military that would shoot americans if asked? sorry, hegseth. not esper. >> i understand. when you have a president who has been granted immunity by the supreme court, give orders to the rank and file of the u.s. military, you have got an immunity problem. just following orders to shoot americans in an illegal manner, illegal order, the president is immune from that from a legal perspective. but the troops are not. and in the case of chairman milley and the chain of command that we had and still have, those orders would not be followed. those orders would be, in this

case, deemed illegal and we wouldn't have that situation. but if you go through the purity test that mr. trump wants to do, and mr. hegseth is more than willing to follow, you may not have a hard -- you may have hard time finding a general milley or a general kelly. and that's going to be a real problem for this country and for our allies. >> yes, indeed. one fears for where we are headed. we are grateful to have you, major general paul eaton, to help us sort it out and understand what is coming. thank you, sir, very much. >> anytime. thank you. coming up, blue states are fighting back. with governors launching a coalition to safeguard democracy under a second trump term, j.b. pritzker one of the governors spearheading that effort joins me next. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ woah, limu! we're in a parade.

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on day one, trump has promised to launch an operation similar to an eisenhower era program that used military tack tings to round up and remove migrant workers. we are starting to get a clearer picture of what that might look like. nbc news is reporting that the trump transition team is looking into available space in county jails and assessing which areas might need temporary facilities

to detain migrants s part of the mass deportation plan. they proposed sending national guard troops to enforce policy. the iron coming border czar thomas homan said it includes deporting families that include american citizens. and earlier today matt gaetz was nominated as attorney general. he gets to lead the agency that helps establish the legal framework governing the immigration process. for those concerned that the party has states rights and family values is threatening to send federal troops to states that comply with orders that could include american citizens, rest assured. the private prison industry can easier worries. holding facilities stocks are soaring. republicans have now won control

of the house, meaning they will fully own the consequences of trump's policies at least until the midterms. and that federal trifecta means that the 15 democratic try effect as at the state level will serve as one of the only bull works against trump's agenda. today in an effort to solidify that resistance democratic state governors and mayors launched a new effort dubbed governors safeguarding democracy. and joining me now is governor j.b. pritzker of illinois, co-chair of governors safeguarding democracy. nbc news reports that trump's plan to potentially build additional detention centers would includes the city of chicago. governor pritzker, thank you for being here. let's talk about that. can the state of illinois prevent the federal government from building internment camps, aka detention facilities, in chicago? >> well, we have prohibited by law in the state of illinois the use of any of our existing

county jails or prisons for the purpose of rounding people up and detaining them. i want to be clear, there are certain circumstances in which the federal government, state governments should work together to allow deportation. an example is somebody convicted of a violent crime. but they are talking about rounding up people who are law-abiding undocumented immigrants in the country. many of whom are working, payingk taxes, not getting any benefits from the taxes, i might add, and we have a law on the books in the state of illinois called the trust act which prohibits our local law enforcement and sheriffs and the like from coordinating with the federal authorities. but we cannot prohibit them, federal law enforcement, from coming into our state to, you know, conduct raids or do anything else like that. meanwhile, i think it would be

very difficult for them to just spread out across the country. they don't have enough manpower within the department of homeland security in order to carry that out. so, look, i will do everything i can to protect our undocumented immigrants. they are residents of our state. and i also, obviously, need to make sure that whatever they are doing in our state, the federal government, that it is actually within federal law or state law for them to do it. >> is there -- i mean, in the state of illinois is there federal property that a trump administration could simply say, we don't care what you say, and what your laws say, governor pritzker, we are going to use that federal property to build internment camps in your state? >> as far as i'm concerned, there is nothing like that in the state of illinois. what i mean to say is that when we had the problem of the very

inhumane shipping of migrants from the state of texas to illinois, i, of course, went to the federal government and said, well, we need a place to put them because we may run out of places. can you provide us with locations that the federal government may own that we could use? and the -- there really isn't anything like it. you could imagine in a situation of, you know, detainment and mass deportation would be, yeah, there isn't anything anything like that. >> these are the 15 states that have democratic trifectas, meaning democrats control the house and legislature and the governorship. illinois is fourth on the list after california, new york and nhl. illinois has 400,000 known undocumented people. and the economic impact of trying to force the removal of those people, 30% of construction trades such as plasterers, roofers, painters

undocumented. 28% of graders and sorters of agricultural products, 25% of housekeeping cleaners. we could go on. it would cost your state a great deal of money and it would cost your economy, i would assume, a lot if these workers were ripped out of illinois, no? >> that's true. and again, as i said earlier, many of these folks are working today. they are paying taxes -- >> every one that i mentioned are working, right. >> that's right. so they are paying taxes and not getting any benefits from it. frankly, the taxes a are getting paid are of great interest to the country and to the state of illinois. but look, i think it's important for us to recognize here that what the federal government is looking to do at this point looks like it may be unconstitutional. now, we will see. we have got attorneys general that are working on these kinds of issues within the courts.

but we governors need to share ideas across state lines. we have a trust act, for example, there are other states that don't. you talked with 15 states with trifectas. don't forget that governors in other states that don't have a trifecta still have executive orders that they can carry out. >> sure. >> and that is very valuable. and being able to share these ideas between one state and another i think is a hugely beneficial thing in this moment. now, i also want to say we're going to work with the trump administration on other issues. i am sure there are things we might be able to work together on. but the fact is that this governors organization that we have put together is intended to allow us to get the best ideas, not just for from each other, but from outside organizations to address the most serious violations that we think might be coming from the federal government. >> i just want to know for the audience, mass deportation will

cost more than building 44450 elementary schools, 2.9 million new homes and communities, funding head start, buying a new car for 20.4 million people. it is expensive proposition. the last question is you mentioned potential litigation. do you have a confidence in the united states supreme court that they would push back on or overrule a trump administration given that john roberts has already ruled that donald trump would have unlimited powers? >> i don't have full confidence in that. but i must say that, you know, i'm hopeful. we don't know how they will react to some of these policies that have never been seen before in the united states. so, you know, i'm, again, i'm hopeful, but i'm not sure i could count on it. again, attorneys general will be dealing with the courts. the governors here, we have the ability to enforce the law, to make sure that we are passing laws and putting them in place

and executive orders, and those things we are working very hard on right now. >> yeah, my only challenge to you, sir, would be it has happened in the united states when the japanese americans were interned under the roosevelt administration. the fears of a lot of people is they could simply use the same laws. >> the breadth of the problem that i think we're facing has never been seen before. you're right about mass deportations or about internment. >> eisenhower, yeah. >> i'm pointing out that the number of areas that we will be under attack around is, you know, a plethora that we have never seen before. >> we are glad to see that governors are stepping up to try to protect people. governor j.b. pritzker, thank you very much. and best of luck. >> thank you, joy. >> cheers. coming up, trump convinced some arab american voters he would end the war in gaza. and turned right around and appointed mike huckabee as ambassador to israel who

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the plight of the palestinian people will soon be in the hands of former arkansas governor mike huckabee. he was trump's choice tore u.s. ambassador to israel. and a man who does not believe palestinians even exist.

the selection of huckabee a right wing christian evangelical, who is an unapologetic christian zionist is an open acknowledgment that a two-state solution, that's dead. here's what huckabee thinks about regional issues. >> i think it's time for us to quit playing this pretentious game that there is going to abtwo-state solution where both sides share the same country and real estate and streets because they are not. there is no such thing as a west bank. there is no such thing as a settlement. they are communities. >> that's pretty clear. the news of huckabee's selection was celebrated by prime minister benjamin netanyahu's most extremist coalition members because he is also a huge proponent of settlements in the west bank. huckabee will be joined by steve

witkoff, who steps into the role of envoy to the middle east. witkoff has no experience in middle east politics, but he is a backer of middle east settlement and likes to golf with trump which is all the ex pernice you need. editor-in-chief of -- you before the election made the very clear-eyed assessment that folks who really don't like the biden policies on israel and palestine are going to really hate it if trump takes over. you turned out to be absolutely right. let's talk about this new team. your thoughts on them? huckabee et al. >> it happened quickly. the trump appointments, i was writing a guardian column about the trump cabinet and the hawks in the cabinet, i had to keep updating it before i could file. every few minutes, huckabee then

hegseth. one hulk after another. donald trump is on a dove -- he is not a peacemaker. anyone who believes that is deluded. he showed us he was a hawk on israel and a hawk in general. he the people he aint-pointed are really out there. jessica pegula, called for a preemptive strike on north korea will be in charge of the defense department and nuclear weapons. and palestine in a place like dearborn, a lot of arabs understandably frustrated enraged by what biden and harris did to gaza on netanyahu. some of them, and i interviewed one of the imams from michigan, fell into the trap thinking donald trump would not be as bad or better. but huckabee, joy, the intro is so important there. call him an extremist is an insult to other extremists. he makes benjamin netanyahu look moderate on palestinian. he makes george w. bush look moderate. in 2008, mike huckabee

criticized george bush for setting a timetable for staying in iraq. he is a big iraq war guy. palestine, he isson apologetic zionist. he believes that god gave the land to the jews. refuses to admit there is a palestinian, no occupation, no settlements, only judea and sue mayor yeah. he wants a jewish state, no palestinian state. it's a disaster in many ways. obviously, the palestinians already living through a disaster in gaza and the west bank is going to get worse. >> you know, the idea of the way that power works is that you have to set yourself up in a position where you can negotiate. the pro-palestinian movement, as you said, a righteous cause in the sense that these people are really suffering in the gaza. now they will get an administration that you can't even protest because you now have pete hegseth in charge of the military and trump saying he thinks you should deport or shoot protesters. there is no avenue for protests at all. this is the piece you are talking about, the guardian

piece. you made a good point that people voted for trump in part, some of them, saying he was the peace candidate. he dropped more drones in his -- in two years than obama in eight. >> yeah. we memory hold the first trump presidency, the drone strikes, the killing of suleimani, bombing of iraq, somalia, afghanistan with the moab, mother of all bombs. he was not a peace candidate. he pardoned literal war criminals. guess who told him to pardon those war criminals? pete hegseth. his new defense secretary. the guy running the pentagon is the guy who thinks we are fine. so it's a very worrying state of affairs. if you are worried about war a iran, marco rubio at secretary of state -- >> neocons. >> i say in the piece, trump has the same playbook. he attacks them on the campaign trail, wins and hires neocons. john bolton term one. mike pompeo, nikki haley, this

time around marco rubio, pete hegseth, elise stefanik, mike huckabee is worse than a neocon. he is christian evangelical zionist who thinks end of times will come faster if we have a war in the middle east. >> he has hired an aide to dick cheney saying his daughter should have guns trained on her face. when he was young was a supporter. >> a terrorist. this is not me just throwing it out. the ambassador to the united states was a member of was a designated terrorist organization until a few years ago. think about how crazy that is. he is sending a guy who the united states considered a member of a terrorist group. united states considered a member of a terrorist group.