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at msnbc headquarters in new york city, like him or loathe him, the question is, will they vote for him? matt gaetz for attorney general, a test for skeptical senate republicans, can he survive what is shaping up already to be a messy confirmation fight. plus, it sounds like one of the onions own headlines, this website buys alex jones's infowars with help from sandy hook victims. and wondering why you are still getting text messages and emails from kamala harris's campaign even though she lost the election, more than a week ago, new reporting on why they are short on cash after raising $1 billion. we have a lot to get to but we start with donald trump, sending multiple strong signs that he plans to take a wrecking ball to the u.s. government, stocking his

cabinet with partisans who happen to have an axe to grind with the agencies they have been asked to lead. matt gaetz, tulsi gabbard, evidence that trump is prioritizing retribution against his enemies, as he promised during the campaign, coupled with those vows to demolish the deep state. matt gaetz is also a clear challenge to senate republicans, many reacting with skepticism and shock but none so far at least are a flat out no.>> i don't think it is a serious nomination from the attorney general. >> surely we have a lot of questions and i'm sure all of that stuff will come out, then it is a question of can he get 51 votes.>> i'm certain that there will be a lot of questions.>> this is no show,

lives are at stake with this job and with editorial boards as different as the new york times and wall street journal criticizing the choice, richard blumenthal is suggesting what the journal wrote, it won't end well for matt gaetz.>> i can name between five and 10 republicans who are seriously considering voting against this nomination.>> but again, seriously considering is not a no, i want to bring in ryan riley, ryan nobles covering reaction from capitol hill, an msnbc political analyst who served with matt gaetz for a couple of years and greg broward, a former attorney at the former justice department, welcome to all of you, what is the sense you are getting on the ground, what are the

chances there are enough votes to confirm matt gaetz? >> at this point, knowing that they haven't said no yet, many of them said they are going to consider it, they are going to go through the deliberative process that a nominee would be afforded in a situation like this, and with a president that has ultimate deference on something like this but it is fair to say there is a degree of skepticism and before they hand their votes over, they want all the information, listen to what john cornyn had to say earlier today.>> i don't know mr. matt gaetz from adam, so i have read about press reports, and that sort of thing, but i would rather get the information myself, with an opportunity to work with my staff and other members of the committee, but rest assured, we will perform our responsibility's under the constitution.>> that

information includes whatever could possibly be in this house ethics report that has been sitting in the house ethics committee for some time and this has been an exhaustive investigation by the house body responsible for that, a bipartisan probe into the allegations against matt gaetz. there is a company getting factor with this because as of noon today, he is no longer a member of congress, his resignation has been read on the house floor and it's not clear what ability to ethics committee would have to release the report because they no longer have jurisdiction over matt gaetz as a member of congress. the senator said they would like to see that report even if they don't get the report itself, they believe they are entitled to the underlying evidence that the committee investigated, i believe they are going to get it in some fashion before they have to make a final decision on matt gaetz in the very near future.>> steve bannon said he would act as a blowtorch to the justice department, what could that look like and what do you think the prospects are that

something like that, those kinds of reports, those kinds of concerns would keep him from getting confirmed?>> i think based on the reaction so far and let's face it, the outside press, the new york times and the editorial board apparently agreed this is not a great idea, those two boards don't agree on much, as you know. the reaction has been interesting, you have republican senators politely noncommittal about this, i think senator cornyn is spot on when he says the senate has a role to play here, they should take this seriously and do their due diligence, they should be able to rely on a full fbi background investigation and i do think that we will see the house ethics committee made available to senators, notwithstanding the fact that mr. matt gaetz is no longer a member of the house, so i think there is a long way to go with this one

and it will be a real test of the senate's ability to exercise its constitutional role as it always has in the past.>> one of the fascinating things here, in this era of sharply divided government, trump has managed to bring people together in opposition over this pick or at least concerns over this pick. the new york times wrote this, these are just appointments, they are loyalty tests. so i wonder what you think, is trump daring republicans to cross him, is he serious about this? >> a part of this might be donald trump figuring out how far he can push the envelope, we know he likes to push the envelope and he is possibly testing what the limits are for senate republicans are there are other theories that this is just some kind of a ploy to help matt gaetz resigned from the house before that report was released on friday, we know the committee's jurisdiction

over gaetz ends immediately once he departs congress. if they do proceed with this nomination, it is going to be an uphill climb in the senate, i understand senate republicans don't want to confront president-elect trump right now, actually he hasn't even been sworn in but, there is a lot of heartburn going on in the senate and also in the house, with members of the house as the ones who most know gaetz and a lot of them think this is a horrible choice as well.>> we are going to look at what andrew clyde said on fox today about the change and what the doj might look like. >> i think there's going to be a lot of people that might lose their jobs, there's going to be a clean sweep of the top echelon in the department come all of these agencies have come out against the american people and have done so in a way that is contrary to the constitution.>> what are the

practical applications for the rule of law when the mentality seems to be focused on tearing things down, sending a message that the department you work for is broken, we are going to blow it up to fix it. >> the congressman is correct in one regard, as always with a new presidential administration, the top leadership in every department is replaced, the political appointees who run the department and are appointed by the president, they are replaced, there is no doubt that will happen with this transition. but below that political tear at the top, there's thousands of career positions, those people really aren't going anywhere unless they decide to resign for one reason or another but they simply cannot be forced out. the underlying premise of the comment i would submit as false, there is no problem here that needs to be fixed with a blowtorch or any other way. every department, mistakes are

made from time to time, we know that but the suggestion that the permit of justice and/or the fbi is so in need of reform or fixing or a purge if you will, that it has to happen with a blowtorch or in some other way, i think is just a misunderstanding of the nature of the department of justice and the fbi and is more political spin than anything else.>> i do want to remind people what the presidential elect said last year, claiming that his indictments essentially paved the way for him to weaponize the doj. >> the people aren't going to stand for it but they have done something that allows the next party, if i happen to be president and i see somebody who is beating me badly, i can say go down and indict them. >> so what is the reaction you were hearing from inside the

department?>> well, it is negative, not only from inside the department but, from former colleagues of mine, doj, fbi colleagues, it is a shocking nomination and the rhetoric, we just heard an example, has been and still is shocking, it's just not the way that presidents have talked about their own government, their own department of justice and the fbi in the past. and that is just because it is not an accurate way to describe how the department and the fbi operate, and or have operated with respect to the president- elect, so we've heard that rhetoric i suspect we were -- will continue to hear it but the facts are the facts.>> let me ask you, from what you are hearing and i know you talked to people inside, shock understandably and they are not

alone but, are you expecting from what you are hearing defiant, people are going to continue to stay and do their jobs, are people actively considering whether they can stay?>> everyone is going to face a test and figure out exactly there line is, where they will draw the line in the sand and here is a line i will not cross. there is a real test of our institutions coming up in the next several months, and several years, and what i will say, there is no one that could have been nominated really that would be exactly on the same page as donald trump, and in terms of being a criminal defendant in two ongoing cases or one really major case in gc -- d.c. but matt gaetz is about as close as you can get to a federal defendant, he was never charged and it should be abundantly clear but he wasn't a target of a federal

investigation so a lot of his grievances are donald trump's grievances, they have the same complaints, they have the same issues and they use the same type of rhetoric. matt gaetz is a pretty solid choice to do the types of things that donald trump has clearly said that he wants to do to the department of justice. so these will be one of the most critical moments in justice department history and for a lot of us, the most critical moments in our careers coming forward and covering what is going to be happening at the justice department in the coming months.>> and add to that, what we have already said, for the senate republicans who are going to have to make a decision that may involve them saying no to their president who was elected with a mandate, so if matt gaetz ends up not having the votes to get confirmed, what are the chances we see trump trying to get him through a recess appointment?

>> i think it would be very high, this is the first confirmation that could happen between the president and the senate majority of which he is in the same party as. i do think that we need to pump the brakes a little bit, there's no reason to think at this stage that matt gaetz won't win confirmation, not a single senator sent a will vote against this nomination, many of these same senators have said repeatedly that donald trump has won a mandate election and it is their job to confirm his appointment. this was before the gaetz nomination came out, so there is definitely a degree of skepticism but until you get the names of five or four united states senators that are republicans saying they can vote no on this nomination, you need to expect that matt gaetz will be the next attorney general and this will be a test for republicans as to whether or not they do the senate and the congress as a coequal branch of government or whether or not they believe their loyalty to donald trump is more important in this regard.>>

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punchline is no joke, alex jones infowars belongs to the satirical news company that is known for spreading conspiracy theories, they bought it at a bankruptcy option after a judge ruled that jones owed the families of sandy hook victims $1.5 billion for defaming them. here is jones moments after getting news of this sale.>> i know it is going to happen but i'm going to be here until they come to turn the lights off. this is all going down right now.>> we seem to say a lot lately about a lot of things, this was not on our bingo card, but with the families that jones caused so much pain, on board with this sale, tell us more about it and where it goes from here. >> definitely, this is such a poetic ending for infowars, what happened was as you said, alex jones owned -- owed

several families almost $1 billion, or over $1 billion in defamation damages, so he says he has been playing this cat and mouse game with bankruptcy lawyers, so they said finally we are going to liquidate all of your stuff, so they announced they would have an auction and they invited the bidders, and alex jones saying he has been working with roger stone and he was an entrepreneur that came to him, so he had some alex jones friendly bids that he could have if they basically just worked for them. but, there was at least one very unfriendly bid and that came from a partnership between strangely the onion, this satirical news website and the group of connecticut families who have been saying after alex jones offered them millions of dollars in settlement, that we want you shut down. the onion seems to want the

same thing, so these groups have come together and are working together and you'll remember who the ceo is, our good friend, former disinformation reporter, ben collins, now the ceo of the onion and he has purchased infowars much to alex jones's displeasure.>> thank you so much for this, and in studio with me now, the attorney representing the sandy hook families, thank you for being here. what does this mean for the families, not just that alex jones's media empire has been taken from him but it is going to be used against liars? >> we brought this lawsuit six years ago because the families finally refused to take the punishment that alex jones had been releasing on them, we had

the verdict two years ago and now against all odds, alex jones has been divested of the company he spent years building. it means a lot, they are immensely proud that they got to this point because for them, what mattered most was not money but being able to protect their families and other families who might find themselves targeted and they have done that.>> one of the things they have been able to do is that the onion will use the site to feature satirical stories to underscore the epidemic of gun violence in america. how do the families hope that they can use the onions form of satire, of humor to reach more people about this? >> we are very grateful that the onion wanted to do something socially beneficial with this website that is used to cause so much pain. we are also mindful that it's one of the best ways to go after a bully so we are happy about that.

i think the more people who know that alex jones has lied to them, and other imitators are lying to them, the more people we might be able to pull back from the precipice of disinformation in the conspiracy theories, because it is extra nearly dangerous. so i hope that the website promotes that purpose. >> so, jones said he's going to find another outlet for him to broadcast on. is there anything you can do about that? >> well, he's not going to have infowars, he's not going to have his studio equipment, he's not going to have his video inventory or any ip associated with infowars but what he might have is a microphone and iphone, but what we know is because alex jones acted with such malicious intent, none of these has been discharged and they could see so whatever he has for a job, whether he is mowing lawns or selling supplements somewhere, his income is going to be going to the families, this is in some

ways the beginning of his lesson in accountability.>> no one can imagine the horror that these families faced, almost 12 years ago now. but, adding to that pain, can you describe why this was so important to these families, what alex jones did to them that a court decided was worthy of almost $1.5 billion? >> these families went through the most unspeakable loss you can imagine and as they were trying to come to terms with it, alex jones unleashed a mob on them, claiming that they were actors, that this was all part of some plot, and they dealt with years of harassment, targeting attacks, fear, moving from home to home, they decided they were going to take it anymore, that is incredibly

courageous and when they had opportunities to accept money from alex jones, they refused because they knew that would only mean alex jones would stay on the air and be able to continue to hurt other families. it is just astonishing what they have accomplished because they acted from a position of integrity and principle and i'm so proud of them and i know they are very proud.>> i want to remind people of the 26 seven-year-olds whose futures were stolen, six teachers whose futures were stolen, where are these families to go next? >> many of the families we represent have been outspoken about the need for gun safety legislation, but also about the need to intervene early when there are signs of potential violence, especially with children. there are many different ways that these families have chosen to go about, bringing about a more peaceful and safe world, and i think that this particular effort, against

disinformation and lies was really geared toward protecting all victims who might find themselves in the crosshairs of these conspiracy profiteers and we want people to know that justice is possible and this is a testimony to that.>> december 14th will mark 12 years since that shooting at that elementary school and the fortitude and the commitment of these families has been extraordinary to watch, thank you so much. still ahead, new reporting on how donald trump's team may go around congress to empower elon musk. plus, the reward for information on whoever set fire to multiple ballot boxes last month, the surveillance video they hope will help crack the case. the case she switched careers to make money for your weddings. ooh! penny stocks are blowing up. sweetie, grab your piggy bank, we're going all in. let me ask you. for your wedding, do you want a gazebo and a river? uh, i don't...

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>> new reports today that the trumpet transition team may try to subvert the constitutional system of checks and balances. the washington post says they are looking at unconventional strategies to get around congress and allow two billionaires to take a wrecking ball to the federal budget. trump would have them lead what he calls the department of government efficiencies. something elon musk has talked about before.>> how much do you think we can rip out of this wasted $6.5 trillion harris-

biden budget? >> supporters argue the department will streamline efficiency and save trillions of dollars, critics warn it will cut services and cost thousands of people their jobs and eliminate many protective regulations, vivek ramaswamy is making it clear he is running for the fight. >> we want to go and burn that bureaucracy to help americans, we have built a great friendship, we are working together intensely and we are not going to stop until we get the job done.>> ashley parker with the washington post, senior national political correspondent, and former congressman, carlos cabello is back with us, so the washington post reports that trump's aides are looking into implementing some of the recommendations with or without congressional approval that is according to two people with knowledge of the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity, these

are private deliberations. so it would operate outside governmental agency constraints, elon musk and vivek ramaswamy would not be federal employees, what do you think ?>> it really sounds like they are advisers to president trump, informal outside advisers, they are not getting paid, they are not government employees, it is important for people to know, government department are not just funded by congress, they are also authorized by congress, this is not a department like let's say the department of homeland security or the department of defense, they are obviously going to be very involved in reviewing agency budgets, making recommendations and you might see those recommendations make it into the presidents budget which is typically sent to congress in the spring but ultimately, it is going to be very hard for them to get around congress because the constitution gives congress an article one, the power to

authorize established government departments and fund government departments. they are going to have a lot of trouble doing that unilaterally.>> what are you hearing about this budget cutting marriage of elon musk and vivek ramaswamy ?>> vivek ramaswamy came on the scene over the last year and a half, as this provocateur with big brash promises but ultimately now, this is going to come down to actual consequences and proposals and potentially actual efforts that could lead to the budget, the congressman is talking about and i want to let you listen to him a little bit more of what he had to say. >> what we are solving is not a natural problem, this is a man- made problem and when you have a man-made problem, you better have a man-made solution, that is what we are bringing to the table, we are assembling the

brightest minds in the country, this is the equivalent of a modern manhattan project to take on, the major problem holding our country back is the federal bureaucracy, target the cost, save the money. stay tuned with what is coming up because we are going to come in swinging on day one.>> of course we have heard for a long time that the republican party's position, the amount of government spending needs to shrink, we have heard this rhetoric before but ultimately what do they actually come up with in terms of proposals? it is not clear, there's a lack of details, where do you begin to cut and to what extent are you relying on cutting the federal workforce and salaries? vivek ramaswamy has suggested if you require all federal workers to go into office monday through friday, you can eliminate 25% of the federal workforce in itself, elon musk has talked about consolidating the number of government agencies which would again

require congressional authorization in order to go and reorganize the way the department and agencies are currently organized. there is a level of skepticism and it should be noted, questions over, serving as outside advisers, the extent to which they would have to turn over financial disclosures as well as conflict of interest statements, of course elon musk has billions of dollars in federal contracts, there is a question as to what sort of information he would be privy to that would be within the federal government while serving as an outside consultant.>> ashley, you and your colleagues point out that musk has emerged somewhere between unofficial copresident and first buddy and lawmakers that were there when he talked to house republicans saying that trump joked, elon musk won't go home, i can't get rid of him. obviously, these guys are right, congress makes decisions about the budget, they have to

vote on it, having said that, if they or their group of great minds says they are already assembling, and they do have donald trump's ear and he tells congress, this is what i want, is that the overwhelming concern? i'm wondering what you know about elon musk's influence at least as it is right now and what his plans are.>> right now, his influence with the president-elect in particular is tremendous and again, this would be an extra governmental agency, elon musk would not be going into the government, he will be serving as outside adviser, there's an irony there that you are creating an entire department to try to eliminate or make other departments more efficient but, as anyone who has covered donald trump for a while knows that the people who are close to him, not just confidence but we literally in

his proximity have tremendous influence and that is what elon musk has right now. he has been dining with the president-elect, treating him as his equal. every time donald trump enters or exits the mar-a-lago patio, he has his group with him. there are people scrambling to see if they know anyone who knows elon, to lobby trump, from palm beach to washington yesterday on the plane. if you're in his circle, you know that he has his cabinet picks, he is weighing resumes and offering insight, they say

he is offering advice on areas that he knows nothing about. but right now in that unofficial way, elon musk is the premier person right now.>> so far, so good is the message, but i'm trying to imagine these three men all in the same room when there is a tough decision to make, they are all used to being the boss, they are used to having everyone around them ackley ask, there is alliance, friendship, whatever, can this last? >> that is a fascinating question and people are already talking about if and when that eventual implosion will come. right now it is mutually beneficial and in certain ways, i would put my money based on my reporting on musk lasting longer than people might expect and longer than some aides already would like, in part

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>> 4000 police officers are deployed across paris today had a soccer game between the french and israeli national teams, that has turned into a proxy for protests surrounding the war in gaza. this extra security follows a night of demonstrations over a pro israel gala hosted by far

right figures and after the city of amsterdam experience violence in the wake of a soccer match between the dutch and israeli clubs. so, claudia, the president is suspected to attend this game, tell us what you are seeing and what we are expecting.>> reporter: yes, the french president is attending the event, he said he is doing so at this stadium and out of solidarity with the jewish community after what happened last week in amsterdam. right now, there is a protest ongoing in paris, it started about a couple of hours ago, it is organized by supporters who say this game between israel and france should not have been played or should have been canceled after what happened in amsterdam. right now, it seems to be peaceful, we are seeing people just waiting and waiting palestinian flags, there are no clashes with the police but the

game is still ongoing. it will kick off in about one hour from now and a lot of people are staying away from it, this is a stadium that has a capacity of 80,000 people, usually it is full for these events, but this time only 20,000 are expected to show up because the police said that this is still at high risk and it is very sensitive and that is why, that is almost four times as many police officers that are usually deployed for these events. if you do the math, that is almost one policeman out of 10 spectators, and the rest will be patrolling the rest of the city and also the public transport.>> thank you. prosecutors in former senator bob menendez corruption trial are admitting they made a mistake, it is a surprise filing and admission that

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responsible for three separate fires, they described him as a white man in his mid-30s with a background in welding, nearly 500 ballots were destroyed in those fires. kamala harris's campaign raised a record busting billion dollars but after losing the election, nunnally has the campaign run out of money, they are asking for more money. those campaign emails aren't expected to stop anytime soon. nbc is following this story for us, carrying that after a campaign is not unusual but their level of secrecy about the debt, maybe, what more do we know about this?>> we know there is debt, we don't know how much there is, we know that they are denying that there is tens of millions of dollars of debt but, nobody can or will say where it is right now.

there continues to be all of this internal flashing going on, there are people who really do not like that they are continuing to ask for money, that there's always appeals going out under the guise of going to a recount. there are people that are saying that some of this money is going toward tight senate races, helping cure ballots in other races, so forth, but there is internal flashing and people who think that this is just going to pay down debt. as you say, the campaign ending with debt is not unusual at all, what is unusual is the level of fighting that is still happening in and around the harris world, and there's a lot of distrust within the organization just overall and it just does not bode well for democrats who are trying to rebuild and move forward. i will note that one bright spot for democrats, the dnc

finance chair tells me that the democratic national committee is in really good shape financially, they are not in debt and they are financially solvent moving forward so that does bode well for the next chair, there is a race for the next chair right now and as they try looking toward the midterms.>> well, mortgages, loans, credit cards, americans are racking up debt at a record rate, with u.s. household debt approaching $18 trillion, that is the most ever, credit card debt is especially costly with the average interest rate at almost 22%, that is a lot higher than auto loans or mortgage rates. there may be a little bit of good news, researchers say earnings and wages are rising even more. and still ahead, after the gop wins, some americans exhausted by politics say they are out, the enormous postelection search for somewhere else to

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"chris jansing reports." at this hour, from investigative to investigator, president-elect trump tapping matt gaetz for attorney general. he would lead the very department that as recently as last year was investigating him. the reaction from within doj. plus, not in the job description. tulsi gabbard, trump's pick for director of national intelligence, now facing accusations she has promoted propaganda from the kremlin. what she is saying about that. plus, the president to peru. one of joe biden's last foreign trips as president will bring him face with china's president xi jinping. his message now that trump's on his way back to the white house. seeing red. nbc's exclusive reporting on man who could oversee health care for trump. how robert f. kennedy jr.'s anti-vaccine group lost $3 million last year. our nbc report