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that does it for tonight. "the reidout" starts right now. tonight on "the reidout." >> so i pulled over and i pick up the bear, put him in the back of my van because i was going to skin the bear, and it was very bad condition, and i was going to put the meat in my refrigerator, and you can do that in new york state. >> yeah, that guy. that guy is going to be in charge of the health and welfare of us all. the latest example of donald trump's utter contempt for the american people. same goes for matt gaetz who would break the centuries old standard that u.s. attorneys general stand for the rule of law. not the rule of presidents. plus, congresswoman alexandra ocasio-cortez joins me on trump 2.0, the path back to the majority and those surprising trump/aoc voters.

but we begin tonight with the story of a party in florida. back in 2017. and allegedly drug fueled sex party involving a trafficked 17-year-old and allegedly attended by matt gaetz. drugs, underage girls, sex trafficking, as you can imagine, gaetz really really wants these allegations to go away. and it's looking like republicans and many of his friends are trying to help him bury those allegations. some damming reporting has emerged from rolling stone in partnership with the news letter "american doom." the author will join me in a minute. per his reporting, a quote unquote, close friend of gaetz wants a federal court to destroy records that could shed light on the details of that party. this ongoing scandal may sound familiar to viewers of this show because this party has dogged matt gaetz for quite some time. gaetz was investigated over

allegations of sex trafficking a 17-year-old girl. and though the probe ultimately did not yield criminal charges, he remained under investigation by the bipartisan house ethics committee, which was looking into whether he engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use. but the probe went away, very quickly and very dramatically after donald trump announced gaetz as his choice for u.s. attorney general. now, keep in mind, gaetz still has to be confirmed as ag in the republican-led senate, but per "punchbowl news," the florida man immediately resigned from his congressional seat on wednesday evening, just two days before the ethics committee was set to vote on releasing what was described as a highly damaging report on his conduct. with his resignation, the committee no longer has the jurisdiction to continue its investigation. huh. kind of makes him look kind of guilty, no? it is a development that could

only happen and without a drop of shame in a trump administration. gaetz is poised to become the next u.s. attorney general meaning donald trump's next hand of the king. and the reason you should be concerned, very concerned, is that gaetz could soon run the very same executive branch of government that spent years investigating allegations against himself. he would have supervisory power over the people investigating the case of that trafficked 17-year-old girl. he is literally going to have access to his own investigative file. it is a chilling scene for any alleged victim, and for american justice writ large. now, for the record, gaetz was informed that the justice department would not seek charges last year. he has long denied any wrong doing. but the ethics committee is meeting tomorrow behind closed doors as pressure mounts over whether they will preserve and hand over their report. a source told nbc news that releasing the matt gaetz report is expected to be among the

topics on the agenda. the findings surely remain relevant now that trump has nominated gaetz to serve as the chief law enforcement officer of the united states federal government. a development that is baffling, frankly, but more so chilling. the attorney for gaetz' alleged unknown victim tweeted today saying, quote, gaetz's likely nomination as attorney general is a perverse development in a truly dark series of events. we would support the house ethics committee immediately releasing their report. she was a high school student, and there were witnesses. joining me now is justin glah, author of the american doom news letter, and msnbc political analyst, david jolly. justin, let me go to you first, what is known about gaetz' specific involvement at that party regarding this girl?

because there was another man, a friend of gaetz, who actually was indicted on these same factings. talk a little bit about that. >> well, i think what's known is that gaetz was there. that's what the victim indicates, has said. that's what gaetz's ex-girlfriend, his girlfriend at the time has said. so gaetz was at this party, according to the documents that have been filed in this federal lawsuit that form the basis of my reporting today. so that's from two sources. there's also tons of text messages and phone calls and other things that allude to gaetz's presence at this party, which, you know, was not just a neighborhood cookout. there was ecstasy, coke, weed, alcohol, the sex trafficking victim had access to bedrooms in the home where she was apparently meeting with several of the men who were at the party or something along those lines. so gaetz was there, i think, is fair to say at this point.

>> and the friend that is trying to bury this evidence, do you understand kind of the reasons that they're trying to hide the evidence? is it fear that it will get into gaetz's hands? i mean, if he becomes attorney general, he could get all of this evidence. he can find out every single witness that testified in this case. he can get every piece of evidence. he would be the top law enforcement official. what is the reason that these, i guess, former friends of his want to bury the evidence? >> you know, i don't really know the answer to that. i imagine that part of it is because there was some potential crimes committed here, if the girl at the center of this case was 17 at the time, i think it's a crime if they were, you know, having some sort of sexual contact with her. gaetz's friend who is trying to keep this information under seal, he has not been indicted, and in fact, he sued the guy who was indicted over defamation.

and then dismissed his own lawsuit after that guy's attorney came forward and said, hey, we've got you at this party, too. and not only do we have you at this party, but we have you paying for sex with a sex trafficking victim in the case as well, who is the same person that gaetz is alleged to have potentially paid for sex with also. >> david jolly, i want to play for you markwayne mullin. markwayne mullin used to have different thoughts about matt gaetz than he does now. he now says he would happily confirm him. he is now a united states senator. but back in october of 2023, i want you to listen to what he said about matt gaetz. >> there's a reason why no one in the conference came and defended him because we had all seen the videos he was showing on the house floor that all of us had walked away of the girls that he had slept with. he bragged about how he would crush ed medicine and chase it

with an energy drink so he could go all night. >> david jolly, i want to play one more sound bite for you, this is kevin mccarthy, the former house speaker who was ousted in large part because of matt gaetz's efforts to get rid of him. here's what kevin mccarthy had to say in april about matt gaetz. >> i'll give you the truth about why i'm not speaker. it's because one person, a member of commerce, wanted me to stop an ethics complaint because he slept with a 17-year-old, an ethics complaint that started before i became speaker. did he do it or not, i don't know, but ethics is looking at it. there's other people in jail because of it. and he wanted me to influence it. >> david, you know some of these republicans that you used to serve with. what is the likelihood that they will have the courage to release this ethics report and at least let the world see what they found? >> i think it's more likely it ends up leaked to the media than it's publicly released by the

committee. beg released by the committee now that matt gaetz has resigned the house would be unprecedented. i think what you have heard in just the clips you played is part of matt gaetz's problem is he has no friends. he has nobody to defend him. when he was a state legislature, he was known for this type of behavior. he was protected by his father, one of the most powerful republicans in the state of florida. daddy gaetz, and baby gaetz. the behavior continues and it ends up following him until this week. joy, i think it's important with all of the news this week that we make very clear, matt gaetz didn't resign the house because he was nominated by donald trump to be attorney general. he resigned the house to prevent this from coming out. whether he had been nominated as attorney general or not, he would have resigned before third-this had come out because it prevents the committee from taking action. and understand,s committee's action could be censure, reprimand or a recommendation to expel matt gaetz from the house of representatives, someone who's still young, who has

gotten away with a lot since me entered politics, maybe the next governor of florida at some point, and understand also with the house, it's a different question, a different burden of proof than u.s. prosecutors having to decide whether or not they could take this case fully to prosecution or not. for the house ethics committee, if they decide there's enough evidence, they release it and make a recommendation. that recommendation could have been that matt be expelled from the house. that is why he resigned not because of the appointment. >> jake sherman did tweet out that there is a precedent for the ethics committee to release a report after a member resigns, some precedent. in 1987, the committee released a report about former representative bill boner after he resigned to be mayor of nashville, there was a sexual scandal. i take your point. there is at least some precedent. very quickly, david jolly, do you sense that there are any united states senators, people you knew on capitol hill, people you observed since then that

would have the courage to vote against matt gaetz, against donald trump's orders knowing that if they fail and he becomes attorney general he would have the power to go after them? not to mention these witnesses. >> i think you put your thumb on it. it is likely senators who served in the house, possibly with matt or certainly with served with kevin mccarthy or maybe close to kevin mccarthy who believe everything that has been alleged against matt gaetz. who are those senators? they're not the senators you typically see get in the crum, kevin from north dakota, markwayne mullin surprises me now that he has flipped. we're about to test the fitness of these republicans. you would need four of these. does this get so bad, matt becomes the sacrificial lam. he doesn't want to be in the blast radius of this report getting released.

he ran from the jeffrey epstein relationship, he'll run from the matt gaetz relationship or does donald trump go straight for the recess appointment. if you are using your department of justice for retribution, which donald trump says, there are few better ags than matt gaetz, someone who lacks any moral code whatsoever. >> and by the way, he could easily, article 2 of the competition, he shall from time to time give congress information on the state of the union and recommend to hear considerationings such measures as he shall expend necessary, may on extraordinary occasions convene both houses or either of them, and in the case of disagreement with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to the time proper. he is the president of the united states. trump could adjourn the congress and do the matt gaetz appointment as a recess appointment, he would be able to serve and mete out retribution of anyone he wants. another person in donald trump's cabinet, i don't believe republicans have the courage to say no to any of them. his name is john sour.

he made the following argument about what a president could lawfully do with seal team 6. >> could a president who ordered seal team 6 to ssassinate a political rival who was not impeached, could he be subject to criminal prosecution. >> if he were impeached and convicted first. >> so your answer is no. >> my answer is a questioned yes. >> justin, i want to ask you a question about the level of fear in your reporting, what is level of fear that the witnesses, the young woman, to your knowledge, has about the potential to be pacing a president of the united states who's prone to retribution and an attorney general who is the person who is at that party where she was abused? >> well, i mean, i'll just say if matt gaetz gets confirmed as attorney general, his retribution tour might very well start with the two judges who are currently deciding in the case whether or not to release

evidence that ties him directly to sexual relations with a 17-year-old sex trafficking victim. you know, so that's potentially where it will start. i mean, i think there's an obvious chilling effect that goes on here for anyone who's in a situation like this, like this young woman who's a victim. but, you know, do i think that, like, to your point that republicans will end up and say, you know, you're not going to be confirmed when donald trump's been credibly accused by two dozen women, i don't hold that much faith in that. >> and you should not. welcome to the, which is what 70 some million people asked for, and this is what they're going to get. don't go anywhere, alexandria ocasio ocasio-cortez is coming up. but first, the horrifying picks keep coming in, literal science denier and bear dumper, rfk jr.,

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they'd rather burn down and rebuild in their maga image. the latest to throw on a red nose to match their red hat and join the trump traveling circus is robert f. kennedy jr., yes, the renowned vaccine skeptic, the dead bear cub handler, the brain worm survivor, the recovering heroin addict. he's now tapped to lead the department of health and human services. the campaign promise from donald trump who said he'd let kennedy go wild on health, after he withdrew his candidacy for president and back to trump instead. >> i'm going to let him go wild on health. i'm going to let him go wild on the food. i'm going to let him go wild on medicines. >> the only thing i told them, got to do one thing, do whatever you want, work on the pesticides, working on making women's health. he's so into women's health, and he's really unbelievable. it's such a passion. >> it's such a passion.

if loyalty was the only prerequisite, this, i guess, would make sense. but hhs is responsible for protecting the health of 337 million americans. it's serious work, not a goofy reality show. and having just survived a global pandemic that killed more than a million fellow americans, we should be especially aware of this agency's role in improving and protecting our daily life. instead, we're going to get this. >> i seen somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby, and i said better not get them vaccinated. >> can you name any vaccines that you think are good? >> i think some of the live virus vaccines are probably -- averting more problems than they're causing. there's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective. >> covid-19 is targeted to

attack ka caucasins, and black people. >> joining me now is kathleen sebelius who served as secretary of health and human services in the obama administration. and msnbc contributor of the dean of new yorker. i don't know where to begin. director, i want to start with you. can you describe what the job is at hhs? >> well, thanks for having me, joy, and this is somewhat of a heartbreaking moment to think that someone like bobby kennedy jr. could possibly be put in charge of the health and human resources of the united states. so hhs is one of the biggest domestic agencies. 11 operating agencies under that

umbrella from the food and drug administration, nih, the centers for disease control, mental health, the largest insurance programs in the country, medicare, medicaid, and the marketplace. on and on. and, you know, it has -- when i was there, about 90,000 employees, it's the most important agency to states. we send more money to states through hhs programs than all the other domestic agencies combined. so it operates, i would say, it affects americans from cradle to grave, and it's full of some of the smartest, most dedicated people i have ever had the honor of working with. >> can you imagine, secretary, those honorable people, he's not a doctor, he has no scientific training. he has a known past drug habit. it's the closest he's gotten to knowing anything about food and drugs, and drugs safety.

and he is clearly a skeptic at minimum of vaccines and of the idea of vaccinating children. god only knows what he would do if there was another pandemic. i mean, how bad could it get if there's another pandemic? or if we just stop vaccinating children? >> that's a horrifying thought. let's just take the pandemic. what we saw is donald trump during a pandemic who felt he was smarter than the scientists. he was capable of offering his own medical advice from the podium of the white house. and, unfortunately, put a lot of people at risk, and many people died because for the first time in a public health crisis in the united states, scientific information was used as a political cudgel. it was used as a way to separate people and tear them apart, and that resulted, as you said, in a million people dying because the

skepticism around whether the covid vaccine was effective, donald trump had his own viewpoint. what you have the possibility of is not just a public health outbreak, creating outbreaks on diseases we thought were banished, measles, parents are refusing to vaccinate their kids have outbreaks of dangerous diseases like measles. we could have outbreaks of polio once again in a country where we were almost eradicating polio from the face of the earth, thanks to the leadership of the united states and the work of the gates foundation and others. that could reoccur easily in the united states. so public health advances made over the last 50 years are really, i think, put seriously at risk by somebody who starts out not with the scientific

background, not with a hypothesis, not with evidence that has been peer reviewed or proven by data, but announcing from the outset that he has the answers. he knows what will happen, and he intends to start firing people at the fda and in other scientific agencies because he's not going to inquire about what the reality may be, what the scientific evidence shows, but he intends to act on his own views and beliefs, and you just heard some of the views and believes which were terrifying. >> he has a vibe, and thinks he's a know it all, he's a famous person with the last name kennedy, therefore he knows better than scientists. it strikes me that something broke in the united states psychologically during covid. and one of those things was just a basic trust in science, in expertise, in whether government, professionalism

matters, and it's clear from this election that a preponderance of americans, at least half of 63% just want not governance, but the vibe of the comments section. they think the comments section of the "new york times" is more full of knowledge and expertise and importance than "the new york times". they just want the comments section, they want the cartoon, and they're going to get it, and it could be really really deadly. >> sure. absolutely. there are a couple of examples of this. you know, first, you know, i always want to talk about media and coverage. there was this narrative that you saw that began to emerge in the immediate aftermath of the election where there's a particular kind of, you know, split vision voter, you know, someone who recognized that donald trump represented some kind of danger, but voted for him anyway because they didn't

think he was actually going to do the things that he said. and so what we've seen, you know, in just the nine days, you know, since the election, is actively attempting to do the very things that he said, which is to put wildly unqualified people into positions that are mainly, you know, judged by, you know, that person's loyalty to, you know, the person appointing them. now, one other example i'll give for this is that some of us remember hurricane katrina, and the complete inept catastrophe of fema's response, you know, as the city of new orleans was drowning. and, you know, michael brown, who was a political appointee, widely seen as a crony point in the complete inept handling of that administration. >> he was a horse trainer. he had no expertise. yeah. >> that's one administration

bureau. now, extrapolate that out to what that could look like with a government staffed by people of that level of ineptitude. >> i could go through some of it. they're going to put lee zeldin, a long time politician, who keeps running as governor of new york, as epa administrator. our ambassador to the united nations is elise stefanik, her only known skill is sucking up to donald trump, and attacking students who protest on college campuses. kristi noem as secretary of homeland security. she's not allowed on to a fifth of the state's property because the indigenous tribe won't let her come there, she has been so insulting them. matt gaetz, the cia director, john ratcliffe, which is probably the least bananas choice, the director of the national intelligence, jelani, tulsi gabbard, a gad fry that russia calls their little friend, getting access to our

intelligence, and then rfk jr. in charge of our health, this is terrifying, and i don't know that people who voted for it understood that this was really going to happen. as you said, they probably thought, oh, trump's just being trump. no he's being trump. >> i think there's one thing, you know, and governor sebelius would be much more knowledgeable than i am about this. there's one thing to bear in mind, these are tremendously complicated, sprawling bureaucracies, and that may be in the public's favor. it takes a lot of time and energy and attention to actually even understand all the levers that are possible to pull. >> yeah. >> i'm going to give you the last word. we're using all your titles tonight, governor, and secretary, please. >> kathleen works really well. it's the only name i've had for a long time. i was going to go back to your earlier point, joy, of people who are capable, talented,

dedicated, staying in these various agencies, and i think what we're going to see, unfortunately, if some of this leadership is, in fact, put in place is a tremendous exodus of folks. they went through one trump administration. i i can guarantee you at an agency like hhs, they don't want to stick around for a nother on. they saw what happened with even a capable secretary at the time, when there was political interference from the white house with health decisions, which happened all the time. i mean, alex azar had been in the department for eight years in a previous administration. he knew the assets of the department. he was the secretary, but in spite of him, there was a lot of interference with cdc, with various kinds of health edicts, trying to undermine the whole affordable care act, when they couldn't appeal it, they tried

to get rid of it administratively. it went on and on and on. a lot of those folks will not stick around for a second administration, particularly with somebody who has been fighting with the cdc, and the fda for really decades, coming in with reams of materials, insisting when i was secretary when bobby kennedy came and met with me a couple of times, that i wholesale fire reams of folks because they were lying to me, he was convinced of it, and he wanted me to install a whole different regime, so they know this man. they have been familiar with him, and they are not enthusiastic about this idea. >> and who can blame them, and as you said, even with all of that expertise, a million americans died, just imagine the catastrophe if we get another pandemic and the leader of this agency is a conspiracy theorist. this is madness. former secretary kathleen se

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of all the confounding results in this past election, perhaps the strangest phenomenon

was the surprising number of people who voted for democrats down ballot, and then checked off donald trump for president. that was the case in new york's 14th district. a number of voters cast their ballot for both trump and one of the house's most progressive democrats, alexandria ocasio-cortez. while the democratic party is reeling from the results, congressman ocasio-cortez is doing something a lot of the d.c. folks aren't doing, talking to social media, and talking to voters to figure out why this happened. >> if you voted for donald trump and me, or if you voted for donald trump and voted democratic down ballot, i would really love to hear from you. this is not a place of judgment. i'm not going to, like, put your stuff on blast or anything like that or dunk on it. that's like genuinely not the intent here. i actually want to learn from you. i want to hear what you were

thinking. and i just want to hear from you. >> joining me now is the aforementioned, democratic congresswoman, alexandria ocasio-cortez of new york. what did they say? >> i mean, there's a lot of different things that we saw. i think there's a lot of people -- first of all, it's important to note that democrats often times when we lose elections, we think that we lost people to trump, and that is true in circumstances. but they don't look enough at the fact that we also lost people to the couch. we have two people that we're running against. so a lot of people say this is why i voted for you and trump, and some people say this is why i didn't vote or didn't vote o top of the ticket. >> skip the top of the ticket, which by the way, there's been a lot of paranoia is democrats were able to win statewide while kamala harris lost, and i tell people, there are voters who go in and either just vote the top,

trump voters, who say i want trump, i don't care about republicans. and reverse, i'm not voting top of the ticket, but i'll vote everybody else. >> i think we saw some of that happen as well. but when it comes to people who split their ticket, i think a lot of people cited several different things. one is there is universal frustration in this country. much of it i actually think justified. that is raging at a political establishment that centers corporate interests, billionaires and puts their needs ahead of the needs of working americans. and we know that we can either channel this righteous rage because there are people whose snap was cut off, their child tax credits were cut off, but they're seeing people like elon musk getting tax breaks and kissing up to donald trump in order to do so.

>> then why vote for elon musk and donald trump? >> and i think that, of course, is the question. >> it makes no sense. >> and i think part of it has to do with the fact that -- and i think we're still in a process of going through the data. it's important to say that. and i actually think that it's important to say that the people who are rushing to say, let me give you my grand theory of what's going on now -- >> the problem is you went to woke, sorry, kamala harris was running with liz cheney at her side. she wasn't going quote unquote woke. >> if we had an election on november 5th and november 6th, you've got an answer, don't listen to those people. >> i agree. cosigned. >> i want to say that we should all have the humility of saying this is an ongoing learning process. however, there is something to be said about it doesn't matter that he's lying. he's saying that i'm fighting for you. in all of this debate that people are talking about with

this woke thing, right, oh, my gosh, it's because we care about trans people and that's why there's a backlash. >> only donald trump cared about trans people, the harris campaign said nothing about this issue. >> it's not to deny the fact that these ads were effect ich -- effective in certain areas. what people are paying too much attention to is the first half of the ad, that said kamala harris is for they/them. everyone's focusing on that. they're not focusing on the second half of that ad, where he said, donald trump is for you. >> yeah, yeah. >> and democrats very often, in their messaging, they speak and in this -- in terms and in concepts, not in the second person. i care about you. and political races are not

about one candidate versus another candidate. too often it gets pigeon hole ld like that. it's a race to convince you who cares about you more. >> let me ask you this question, we have been talking about rfk jr. we knew donald trump would go wild. there's no constraints. he can put all his friends in. we're talking about rfk jr., and the possibility of people pulling back on measles vaccines, another pandemic happening. you're talking about matt gaetz. there's a 17-year-old girl out there terrified that all of her records, all of the witnesses against her in this case could be in the hands of matt gaetz and he could be the most powerful law enforcement official in a country in a case where the president of the united states is an adjudicated sexual abuser. if you're a sexual assault survivor, you're thinking, oh, my god, this country is out to get me, and force me to have children by sexual assault. so the message to women has been insane. okay. and the people he's nominating are tv hosts, et cetera.

do you think the people who voted for him that you've talked to were expecting this? >> no. no. >> or true mass deportation. >> genuinely, no. and it's heartbreaking, actually. it is heartbreaking. and people may want to take, like, a kind of vengeful stance about this, but it is genuinely heartbreaking. people need to understand that there are people, millions of people in this country, and i was one of them where you are working two, three shifts a day to try to make ends meet. you're not reading the newspaper every morning with a cup of coffee. >> yeah. >> you're not. and it's not to say that people are uneducated or uninformed or anything like that. this is real life. this is real life. you got a baby on your hip and two, three shifts you're working that way, and you're trying to make things work, and you have such an overwhelm of information, and i actually think something that is different about this moment than

i saw, whether it was 2020 or after 2016, is that almost, like, right the day after people immediately said, were coming to me and saying, he's not actually going to do that, right? and it's important to say, people may often say, he said he was going to do this, it was right here on the campaign trail. if you actually listen to him, if you listen to donald trump's acceptance speech, when he talked about immigration, he talked about legal pathways first. >> yeah, yeah. he didn't lead with mass deportation. >> we're going to hold for one more. going to take a quick break, pay for all of this, and then when we come back, aoc will still be right here with me. stay right there. lthy. in the morning, he flies up the stairs and hops up on my bed. in the past, he would not have been able to do any of those things.

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trusted sources of information was -- they said you, as in me. that means that they rely on me as their elected official for information directly. it also means that they are listening to him directly for his information. and as we said earlier, in donald trump's victory speech, he said that when he talked about immigration, the first thing that he talked about was legal pathways. he talked about mass deportation afterwards, and so i think people who believe what he says when he says we're only going after criminals, they think that he's going after somebody else. meanwhile, the republican party, the trump campaign, people like stephen miller. >> yeah. >> they believe that being undocumented means you are a criminal. >> and they don't understand that. i want to talk about a couple of the picks that, you know, as you said, people may not have saw

coming, matt gaetz, you've had to deal with him as a member of congress. how concerned are you about him being attorney general? >> you know, i think right now the mood on the hill, you know, there's a lot of republican uproar about it. i find it interesting, too, it's important to note that matt gaetz won general election to the 119th congress. so he resigned his seat -- >> that he just won. >> to finish this term. the seat that he just won starts in january. >> right. >> so he may just be away from congress for two months. >> yeah. >> potentially just to expunge this ethics report. >> do you think it will come out, the ethics report? >> well, i think there's a large jurisdiction. i don't know if the ethics committee has a legal grounds now to release it. i do wonder if the senate would subpoena it in order to understand and make a full -- have a fully informed decision. >> yeah. >> similar to i think when you

had justice kavanaugh with credible sexual assault allegations and there was an fbi report, and that whole investigation is something else, you know, a different matter. but the senate, it was still relevant to a senate confirmation. >> sure. >> hearing. and so i think that's an open question as to whether the senate would subpoena it. i wonder if the democratic senate majority now would be able to do that as well. i don't know. these are open legal questions and pathways. >> and people would have to not fear that then he would be confirmed and then go after them. let's talk about rfk jr. we were talking about it a little bit in the break. let's bring that forward to tv, some of the concerns you have about what he might do to hhs. >> i think what's very important, too, is yes, there are these concerns about vaccines. you have a baby, and anywhere in the world, i mean, protecting against polio, against measles, against very serious communicable diseases that, i

mean, we would be talking about going back to the, what, 1700s, 1800s, i mean, this is serious. but on top of that, if you're a republican that voted for donald trump, you believe in his agenda. >> yeah. >> something that is broadly popular among republicans and democrats are community health centers. if you live in a rural area and there's not a hospital very close to you but there is a community center closer to you, it could be decimated under robert f. kennedy. and we are talking about people who live in rural communities. we're talking about people who live in underserved communities that have been neglected, in order to, whether it's to get a shot or just to get checked up on. >> sure. >> we're talking about the potential decimation of community health centers, which is devastating. >> and we haven't gotten to tulsi gabbard potentially having access to national security information, and russia loves it, loves her. >> and i actually think, almost more than matt gaetz, tulsi

gabbard's appointment is devastating. and tulsi gabbard's nomination, as much as she says that she's an anti-war person. she's not. she supports very pro-war individuals. >> including syria. >> and let's be very clear, a tulsi gabbard nomination is a pro-war nomination globally. point-blank period. >> as is donald trump as president of the united states. congressman alexandria ocasio-cortez, thank you so much. >> of course, thank you. >> much appreciated. thank you, and we'll be right back. ank you, and we'll be righ back you should check out inspire. no mask. no hose. just sleep. inspire. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com

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