making a tiktok that day. >> he used it a lot during the campaign as well as the democrats during the campaign. kate knibbs, always a pleasure to have your expertise on this reporting with us. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> and that does it for us this very busy week. i'll see you back here monday, same time, same place. i hope you have a restful weekend. for now i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. thanks so much for joining us. . ♪♪ good morning. 11:00 a.m. eastern. 8:00 a.m. pacific. we begin with new developments in president-elect trump's return to the white house in the top names expected to serve in his second administration. on thursday trump announced robert f. kennedy jr. as his pick to lead the department of health and human conversations. kennedy endorsed donald trump for the white house after ending

his own presidential bid as an independent. kennedy is an environmental lawyer who has made false claims about the safety of vaccines. he has called for a ban on hundreds of additives and chemicals found in ultra processed foods and called for removing fluoride from public water. here's some of what trump said about picking robert f. kennedy jr. last night. >> today i nominated him for, i guess, if you like health and if you like people that live a long time, it's the most important position, rfk jr. and i just looked at the news reports, people like you, bobby. dot get too popular, bobby. you know, you've reached about the level. joining us now, nbc's dash into burns and berkeleyly loveless jr. and what's the significance of rfk jr. tapped for this position and are there concerns

with trump world that rfk jr. could face challenges getting confirmed? >> yeah. jose, this is one of those picks that they are worried might not be able to get through a confirmation. it's one of the reasons why our reporting prior to this was that he was much more likely to get more czar-like roles, some sort of advisory role where he could have an impact on the issues that he cares about, but not necessarily have an official cabinet position that would require senate confirmation. that is not the direction that president-elect trump decided to go. it was a surprise to a lot of folks that he offered him hhs secretary and they are contending with democratic concerns on his position on vaccines, on long-standing public health policies and programs like fluoride in the water, but they're also contending with concerns on the republican side as well. rfk jr. has been an advocate against big food, against big pharma, and he is also

pro-abortion rights. in fact, mr. trump's former vice president mike pence came out with a statement against this writing, i believe the nomination of rfk jr. to serve as secretary of hhs is an abrupt departure from the pro-life record of our administration and should be deeply concerning to millions of pro-life americans who have supported the republican party and our nominees for decades. he's not alone. there have been other republicans that have been coming out airing their concerns about this. he's got folks on the democratic side, certainly people in the public health world and even republicans that might be trouble for this pick. jose? >> susan, what's your initial reaction to trump tapping rfk jr.? >> look. this is an extraordinarily not only divisive nomination, but also it is an abrupt break with an american public health tradition that has had some of the greatest successes in the last century. he's talking about removing

fluoride from the water. one of the great victories for public health of the 20th century. he is talking about not -- making sure vaccines are not mandated. i can't emphasize enough every school district in this entire country right now mandates vaccines for their children. are we talking about having a situation where in a few months time that is no longer going to be the case or the federal government is going to be opposing that? that is -- gone way beyond the level of divisive rhetoric or politics. it's turned something that should be nonpartisan, public health, into an extraordinary battleground in the new trump administration. >> hhs has 13 operating divisions that includes the cdc, fda, national institutes of health, medicare, medicaid, employs about 80,000 plus workers. how could rfk jr. affect those

agencies? >> yeah. that's a great question. at the moment we don't know exactly what he'll do. as you know he's talked about shaking up the public health agencies including the fda where he said he wants to dismantle entire departments. would there be enough staff at these agencies to do the work that is needed? we don't know right now. there's also concerns about his stance on vaccines. as we mentioned the cdc's advisory committee on immunization practices makes recommendations for vaccines. could he influence the recommendations or ask the cdc director to influence those recommendations? once again we don't know. he's also made comments on the so-called revolving door where officials in government -- officials from the government move back and forth between private companies. so there could be some kind of restrictions there on what he does with employees who work at the fda, hhs and cdc. >> what are officials inside hhs saying about this? >> there's a level of anxiety and fear. i reported through four sources

that fda employees have been preparing for a quick exits in the event rfk jr. was appointed to a prominent health role. the fear is they won't have jobs when he comes in. there's concerns that they could make his -- their job harder to do. rfk has made many false and misleading claims about vaccines. there's concerns he could influence or delay approvals for vaccines as mentioned. he could also cast doubt about the vaccines that we currently have that as mentioned before with the cdc there's concerns he could ask the cdc to remove their mandates for these vaccines that for childhood vaccination for schools, as well as for adults as well. >> and dasha, meanwhile the president-elect has tapped over allies to everybody in the justice department -- to serve in the justice department. >> he's tapped lawyers that have been defending him in several cases where he has been fighting particularly todd blanche the lawyer who defended him in a

hush money case in new york. he is going to be serving as deputy a.g., the second highest role in the justice department and by the way, if matt gaetz does get caught up in the confirmation and has issues there, he could be serving as acting attorney general in the meantime. that's a big role there. and then mr. trump let slip last night in the remarks that doug burgum, the governor of north dakota, who was his primary rival, then turned potential vice presidential pick, he was in that final top three we talked about, he has tapped him for secretary of the interior. jose? >> susan, your latest piece you call this the most extreme cabinet ever. what did you mean by that? >> well, i think our conversation suggests what i meant by that. look, the bottom line is that these are nominees or perspective nominees donald trump is talking about appointing who represent

essential will i essentially a frontal attack on the government itself. this is steve bannon's long talked about deconstruction of the administrative state. bannon when the news of the matt gaetz appointment was announced he said donald trump is going to take a blow torch to the justice department. that blow torch is matt gaetz. it's more probably all of these nominees would be the blow torch cabinet. and, you know, to the point about rfk jr., part of the goal here is to remake the entire federal government itself. i think that's sort of the sweeping goal under which a lot of these things are being carried out. if employees massively quit the fda or other public health agencies that also in a way would be a win for donald trump and those he's appointing because they don't want nonpartisan civil servants in these roles. they want to politicize the government and shrink what remains of it. that's also why he's appointed

elon musk who spoke openlied a madison square garden of cutting $2 trillion -- a third of the u.s. government budget right now. the goal is to shrink the government and politicize what remains. i think it's a very radical agenda and by the way he told us he was going to do it before the election. as shocking as some of these choices are because of their lack of qualifications or views, they are not actually surprising. the surprise is that more people are -- so many people are surprised by this unfortunately. >> yeah. -- the frontal attack on government, the the dismantle of the administrative state, that's something trump talked about through the entire campaign and you're right, susan, it's the surprise many are surprised at something he's been very clear

on talking about. dasha burns, berkeley loveless jr. and susan glasser, thank you search for being with us this morning. while his name carries the weight of an iconic political family, rfk jr. has promoted controversial, often widely debunked health claims. here are just some of them. >> there's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective. there's 25% of americans who believe that they know somebody who was killed by a covid vaccine. >> killed. >> 25% of americans. >> i'm not going to take away anybody's vaccines. i think florida is on the way up. some categories of workers their departments like the nutrition department at the fda that have to go. >> joining us is a former white house covid-19 response coordinator under president biden and the dean at brown university school of public health. doctor, great seeing you as

always. what do you think of rfk jr. potentially leading the department of health and human services? >> good morning, jose. thanks for having me here. i'm disappointed by the choice. i was -- i think he's a particularly bad choice. look, when i think back to the previous trump administration, the folks he had in leading position, scott gottlieb, alex azar. those are good choices, but smart, thoughtful people who understood how our health care system work. rfk jr. has a series of ideas that are, i think, very, very harmful to the health of all americans. all americans. not just about vaccines. right. the hhs secretary has enormous power over medicare and the insurance and what's going to be covered and how it's structured for seniors, over medicaid and how we cover half the kids in america. for all of us on private health insurance, mammograms, colon cancer screening are going to be

covered. very concerned about his really off the wall vaccine ideas but his ideas are not rooted in evidence and scientific thinking and that is what worries me about the health of the american people under his leadership. >> doctor, i want your thoughts on this because, you know, at times, the -- the head of hhs has not been -- i can't remember the last time when there was a doctor like yourself in charge of hhs, right. we're looking at some have political experience, some, you know, current hhs, former member of congress, but is the head of hhs that position more than a bureaucratic shepherd and specifically, on hhs, what are the responsibilities and the impact that the head of hhs has over this extraordinarily large

gamut of different organizations? you were just mentioning some of them. >> yeah. first of all, the people criticizing rfk jr. because he's not a doctor is a nonsense criticism. i can't think of the last time we had an effective hhs secretary who was a doctor. what you want is somebody who knows how to run a complex entity, but most importantly you want somebody who is going to let the career experts at fda make a decision whether a drug should be approved or not. let the career scientists at the cdc determine whether a vaccine is safe or effective, or the fda, whether it would be broadly available or not. we have a lot of scientific agencies at nih. what should we be funding? what good secretaries have done is let the scientists make the decisions and you have a coherent policy so it gets out to the american people. rfk jr. comes in with very strongly held views. that's okay. but most of his ideas and views

have been widely debunked. he really has ideas that have been proven over and over again to be false. if he starts trying to influence how we do things, what kind of drugs get approved, whether we're going to offer certain cancer therapies or not, maybe he believes that drugs aren't going to be the answer to cancer therapies and we need to do something totally different that's how he begins to reshape those agencies and what worries me a lot. look, some of his ideas around we need to have less processed foods are good ones, but the question is what's the process we're going to use to understand and make policy decisions. >> and you mentioned a few times on the issue of his questioning of vaccines and the scientific research behind them. what do you think that specific issue of vaccines could bring to hhs. >> yeah. this is -- let's talk about vaccines for a second.

vaccines, the way we approve vaccines we have an advisory committee, cdc director makes the decision. whether those vaccines will be covered by your insurance or not, is decided by the secretary of hhs. so if he decides we're not going to cover vaccines through insurance for all americans, you're going be to paying for it out of pocket or you may be paying a lot more. these are going to be profound effects that he can have for everybody, not just for the small proportion of people, for instance, who might rely on a specific government program. half the kids in america get their vaccines through the vaccine children's program that could get gutted or totally reshaped and we'll have kids who won't have access to vaccines. the bottom line his 20-year history of undermining confidence in vaccines makes all of us very concerned that on that issue alone, of course all the other issues, he can do enormous damage as hhs secretary and the harm will be felt by all

americans. >> this final point he brings up that revolving door that exists between big pharma and government hhs and all the subdivisions within it, that whole thing, i don't know if it's true or there's perception of it, that there is a lot of handshaking and exchanging of professional courtesies and professional -- just the revolving door and relationship between big pharma and government. >> yeah. okay. so let's get specific. first of all, there is always that concern across all agencies and we want to have very clear rules about that. when i left the biden administration, i had very clear rules about how i could go back in and how i could interact with the government for a long period of time. those rules are appropriate. the biden administration put in tougher rules, and i'm very open to it and i think it's a great idea when i think about the

career scientists at the fda, people who decide, for instance, whether a cancer chemotherapy should be approved or not most have been at the fda for 10, 15, 20 years. they're not allowed to take money from pharma companies directly. if the concern is that there's still too much influence put in strong safeguards on that and make sure the rules are buttoned up. again, i think the biden administration made a lot of progress on this. if he feels like we should go further i'm okay with that. but forcing those scientists who have been at the fda for 20 years out, who are they going to replace them with >> nonscientists or probably people from pharma and other industries. i worry that whatever his rhetoric, the result will actually be a much worsening of the scientific enterprise inside the government and so agreed we've got to have clear rules and walls on this. but the way he goes about it and thinks ability it and talks about it, i think will end up leaving us much worse off.

>> i'm reminded tom price, trump's first hhs director was -- was a doctor. >> yeah. >> right. but there have been entire administrations where, you know, being a doctor is not been part of hhs. >> yeah. al lacks azar -- alex azar. without being a doctor. >> being a doctor and as a good one as you are i appreciate your time. dr. jha, thank you for being with us this morning. up next, the status of thehouse ethics investigation into matt gaetz. why today's committee meeting has been postponed. plus, trump picks his personnel lawyer for deputy attorney general. we'll talk with someone who worked with todd blanche at the fdny. elon musk's growing influence with donald trump. the two spending a lot of time together and trump seems to love it. we're back in 90 seconds. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports" on msnbc. i diaz-balart reports" on msnbc.

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and military veteran pete hegseth is facing scrutiny. officials in monterey, california, confirmed hegseth's involvement in a sexual assault sales year ago releasing information from a 2017 police report. no charge were filed. it's not clear what hegseth's involvement was in that investigation. the trump transition team standing by hegseth says in part, quote, mr. hegseth was vigorously denied any and all accusations and no charges were filed. joining us now is congressional koernlgts, a former federal prosecute and legal list and brendan buck political analyst and former aid to speakers ryan and boehner. what are you hearing about the ethics committee meeting that was canceled. what's going to happen with that report? >> great question. supposed to be happening as we speak. we were told by one source that the meeting supposed to happen today was canceled. others say that it was

postponed. the date was not given for when they would meet again to potentially have this agenda item of the matt gaetz report. this committee works behind closed doors. they are very elusive. republicans and democrats take their job seriously and they have been conducting this investigation into any alleged sexual misconduct or illicit drug use by matt gaetz for multiple years now. this is a. >> reporter: -- this is a report they planned on releasing. the meeting was to decide whether to release it even though gaetz is no longer a member of congress. normally the report dies when the member leaves. they have released reports before. at least two times without our history in people who have left. this is a report that senate republicans want to see. i asked senator kevin cramer, senator john cornyn, lindsey graham, the top republican, they said they need all the information, all of the facts

when it comes to matt gaetz. there was one senator, for example, who raised the idea of a subpoena. that has never happened before. when senators subpoena house members. you see why this is so dire. i was told there were at least five to ten republicans who were considering voting against gaetz because they don't like the way he's handled himself in the house with the situation in ousting former speaker kevin mccarthy, one republican kevin cramer told me he destroyed the house. in addition to all of the questions about his investigations and the ongoing potential mishaps that gaetz has been involved in, that being said, jose, my sources told me that gaetz is pressing on and placed calls to republican senators trying to get a vibe check. j.d. vance's team doing that on the president-elect's behalf. a lot of consternation about this pick that overshadowed some of the other ones we've been talking about including tulsi gabbard and, of course, including pete hegseth, too. >> and "the new york times" is reporting that trump advisors

are proposing to give security clearances without fbi vetting. first of all is that like legally possible? are you able to give security clearances without any kind of vetting or can the president then post january 20th do it? >> well, i recall that during the first trump administration there were various individuals including jared kushner who were not able to get security clearance and trump said give it to them anyway and they got it. so, you know, the rules and the law it seems somehow when it comes to donald trump don't really apply. the president i think is going to make sure the people he wants to get information gets that information. rules be dammed. >>, but i mean, so it's not just a trump rule. i mean it would be maybe an unusual trump action. but there is -- i mean, what are the rules on this? before trump and after trump? >> yeah. i mean, it's always been you

have to have security clearance, you have to go through a vetting process. i had to go through that when i was a prosecutor to be able to access certain classified materials and then there are places where you review the materials. but as we've seen even with the classified documents case, donald trump really doesn't, you know, abide by those rules. so the rules are in place, but you need people to actually enforce the rules. we've seen time and time again when it comes to donald trump, he will bully his way through and try to get the people in charge of enforcing those rules not to enforce them and give direct orders that people should have access to materials they shouldn't have access to even without security clearance. he did that in the case of jared kushner during the first trump transition. >>, and i want to play for you some of what -- some of what some are saying about matt gaetz as a.g. >> do you have concerns about

someone accused of sex trafficking possibly leading the department of justice? >> just to name one, matt gaetz comes to mind. i have concerns about him, about the way he disrupted and really destroyed the house of representatives for several months. what he did to a really good speaker in kevin mccarthy and accomplished nothing except getting rid of him and ruined the reputation of the house of representatives. >> i think there should not be any limitation on the senate judiciary committee's investigation including whatever the house ethic committee generated. >> you want to see it? >> absolutely. . >> this member of the house of representatives, matt gaetz, went particularly popular within the majority of the republican house of representatives members. do you see that as being in any way a major barrier for him to get confirmed? >> yeah. i know this conference pretty

well. he's probably top three most unpopular members there. and i think it does have an impact. he doesn't come with any goodwill. putting aside, obviously, for a moment the allegations that have been made against him. this is a person who at a personal level, lot of these people have a big issue with. that may come back to bite him. i am going to stop short of saying it's impossible for him to be confirmed. some people have said that. we heard a lot of senators say they have concerns and want to ask questions. i haven't heard a single senator say they wouldn't vote for him. i imagine that's what donald trump is hoping for, is that he can wait them out and use his political weight, lean on these people and see if he can break them. it doesn't look good for matt gaetz at this moment. never want to have a confirmation hearing where you're having to ask whether or not a young woman's age was 17 or 18 which is where we're headed and i think there is a public interest in getting that report out there some way or

another. the senate will ask a lot of tough questions but i'm not ready to say he can't figure out a way to get through because donald trump has a way of getting things he wants. >> and i guess in many ways for the senators that are going to have to be looking at all of these different suggested appointments, it's, you know, what battles you choose to focus on, right? it's not just gaetz. i mean, there are a number of people that i think both representatives of senate, republicans and democrats, would have issues with. >> yeah. people joke that matt gaetz's appointment was the best thing to happen to hegseth, the secretary of defense nominee. i think that's true. i don't think republican senators are going to have the stomach to shoot down three of donald trump's cabinet appointees. they may have the stomach to shoot down one of them. it's going to play to their benefit.

i can get pretty quickly to three people who would vote against a matt gaetz or a pete hegseth, collins, murkowski, mitch mcconnell. after that everybody there in some way feels their political fortunes are tied to donald trump and probably going to be hesitant to -- i'm waiting for the first person to stand up and say not going to do it and maybe then other people will jump in the pool. a lot of people who are hesitant to be the first one to say that. >> meanwhile trump put up todd blanche, criminal defense lawyer, you worked with him at the fdny, what due make of that pick? >> for starters at least he is a prosecutor. unlike matt gaetz who really didn't practice law at all. he's completely unqualified to lead the department of justice. you have jake clayton who has been nominated to be the u.s. attorney for southern district of new york has not been a prosecutor which is highly

unusual. todd blanche at least has a back ground as a prosecutor. he was a supervisor in that office. that said, he just had a trial where he represented donald trump before judge mer chand and judge merclands said todd blanche lost credibility with the court after attacks on the judge, prosecutors, defending donald trump's completely improper attacks on jurors, on witnesses, in violation of a gag order. made improper arguments during jury addresses he knew he shouldn't have made. so, you know, it's a pick i think ultimately that signals where donald trump is. donald trump does not want public servants. donald trump wants soldiers. donald trump doesn't want people who are going to take an oath to uphold the constitution. he wants people who will be loyal to him. what we've seen with the picks are people he thinks who will be loyal to him, operate according to his whims, who will serve his personal interest rates --

interests and relationships. you would want somebody in this office in any of these positions at the department of justice or sdny who are going to push back and assert fierce independence against somebody who has an authoritarian impulse and i don't think with any of these picks you are going to see that kind of pushback. >> you would include todd blanche in all of that. >> i would. i think we've seen during the trial he was willing to go along with a lot of what his client wanted him to do and did things i think in terms of strategic tactics a bit questionable. it's quite a thing when a judge says he's lot all credibility in an attorney. that's not something i've heard a judge say before. so that's pretty strong language. i do think that todd has shown he will be a loyal soldier to donald trump. otherwise he wouldn't be picked. >> julie sircen, christy greenberg and brendon buck, thank you very much. up next the suns consequenc

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demanding senate republicans agree it him making recess appointments if he sees that that would be important which would let him install officials for up to two years without senate confirmation. the wall street journal wrote the idea of recess appointments i anti-constitutional and would eliminate one of the basic checks on powers the founders built into the american system of government. with us now, florida democratic congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. always a pleasure to see you. thank you for your time. what do you make of trump's idea of wholesale recess appointments? >> i mean, i agree. it is anti-constitutional and authoritarian and wholly undemocratic. not surprising coming from someone who has really nominated the most extreme, dangerous cabinet in history. star wars bar level craziness, and i mean, if you go pick by

pick, not only are each of them -- many of them individually unqualified, they should be disqualified. and so this is a man who is setting us on a course towards danger and the american people being put in jeopardy and he's asking for unfettered approval from the senate by not having to be required to have them review his choices. it's unacceptable. >> let's -- i want to get your read on some of those choices if i could. let's start with matt gaetz. former congressman. florida congressman. to to be attorney general, what do you make of that? >> it's breathtaking in its -- in its extremism. matt gaetz has no experience whatsoever with the department of justice other than being a subject of investigation for trafficking sex trafficking

minors. i mean, that's his experience with the department of justice and i mean we're talking about someone who would be responsible for the entire system of justice who has been investigated by the system of justice and has no other experience other than that. it is an extreme, outrageous nomination and one that, obviously, i think should be defeated. >> and let's talk about former hawaii democratic congresswoman -- >> jose, let me just -- >> yeah. >> let me add something else. >> please. >> because this is an extremely important appointment. you wouldn't trust matt gaetz, most parents wouldn't trust matt gaetz with their teenager never mind our entire system of justice. for the president to nominate him to be in charge of our entire system of justice is really dangerous, and i just want to underscore that. >> all the time to get your

perspective, of course, out there. i want to ask you about former hawaii democratic congresswoman tulsi gabbard to be director of national intelligence. you have a history with the former congresswoman. what do you think of her being tapped to be director of national intelligence? >> tulsi gabbard is someone who has met with war criminals, violated the department of state's guidance and secretly went to -- gassed and attacked his own people with chemical weapons. she's considered to be essentially by most assessments a russian asset and would be the most -- >> is that how you consider her? >> oh, yes. there's no question i consider her someone who is likely a russian asset who would be -- be as the dni responsible for managing our entire intelligence

community, hold all of our most significant intelligence information and secrets, and essentially would be a direct line to our enemies. so the irresponsibility of these appointments and the disregard -- i get he wants to break heads. i get presidents have the right to make appointments. but that is why there's an advise and consent role by the united states senate and one they should very carefully and thoroughly use and, you know, let me not suggest that all of his appointments so far have been irresponsible. marco rubio, and i, he's a united states senator from our home state, jose, i don't agree with the senator on a lot, but we worked closely together, particularly on issues around venezuela and maduro and cuba and israel and so, you know, that's -- that's a pick certainly i have disagreements but one where uk sort of wade

through those disagreements and find common ground. mike waltz as well. decorated veteran, someone who has the understanding and patriotism and experience. again we don't agree, but him managing our national security apparatus and policy, that's a pick that is well within the bounds of president's right to point who he would like to. breaking the system of justice, you know, appointing a guy like rfk jr. who is an anti-vaxxer, who believes the theories of conspiracy theorists that is a danger to the national health system. >> congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz i always appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> up next the future of the daca program protecting young immigrants who came to the united states through no decision of their own and no

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on immigration will have a huge impact on millions of people from undocumented immigrants to those here legally such as daca recipients, people living in this country, so many others. with us now is a dreamer, which helps empower the immigrant community, and have a years long admiration for. it's always great seeing you. just moments ago -- >> thank you. >> incoming --border czar tom homan had this message for mayors and governors opposed to trump's immigration plans this is what he said a couple minutes ago. listen to this. >> for the mayors and the governors that want to step in the way you can help or get the hell out of the way. the american people gave president trump a mandate we're going to protect this country and enforce immigration laws.

>> protect americans and enforce immigration laws. i guess it's depending on how you see what those actions look like. what are you concerned about? what are immigrant families telling you? >> more than anything, i think it's this false labeling us criminals. i think a lot of people for many, many years have said we want to get rid of the criminals, but who are criminals? i'm a criminal based on a lot of people's definition of what an undocumented immigrant is. as we saw what mr. homan said, there is no stopping this avalanche of -- it's just hate towards immigrants because when it comes down to people talking about us, they tell you it's not my landscaper, not my kid's friend, not -- they classify us differently. so right now a lot of the fear is that people are telling me what i'm the person that gets

rounded up. the reality as we are hearing it is a very big possibility. you and i have talked many times about it. doing these interviews and speaking out against what the former president did that puts a target on many of us. for many, many years a lot of us have had to leave the country and self-deport because of the activism we've done. a lot of our dreamers right now their biggest concern is will i be able to work? will our work permits be removed? we gave up our information. people don't understand that when you fill out -- listening to your earlier segment, i believe that the new attorney general will have to go under less background checks than i do every single year and a half because i have to get a background check every single year and a half to just have the opportunity to work and provide services to my community. >> and, you know, there are what

22 million americans, people in the united states that lived in a mixed immigration status household, more than 500,000 daca recipients in our community that contributes $14 billion to our economy. more than 200,000 were frontline workers during the pandemic. trump tried to end daca. he did. and then blocked by the supreme court. different times. he said he was willing to negotiate daca. what do you foresee for trump's second term and where is the compassion and the respect for these people? >> i think it's a very thin line there that is no longer existent with this administration. for many years, even our allies, our families would tell us, you know, you're going to be okay. you're a dreamer, you're educated. you speak english.

i think we realize now that is not something that is -- you know for so many people who tried to assimilate themselves because they wanted to be -- they wanted to be accepted by the united states, right now we're seeing that's not going to be enough for these folks. as we have heard mr. homan said, it's entire families that are deported. they don't care about united states citizens or say we're going to leave behind children. right now one of the talking points about houses will be opened up. what is going to happen to our economy when folks that have bought their houses under daca, completely legal, are able to be here because we're removed? there's so many different things that people in their hatred, in their knee-jerk reactions to say we want all of them gone. the thing is, j.d., i think one of the being different generations of immigrant families we've seen in the past it was very easy to point us out and say oh, that person doesn't speak english or hasn't -- they

haven't grown up here. we have. our families are now 30, 40 years in the united states. and so being able to go and do a raid in store will be difficult without getting citizens involved. it's fear and our families are preparing. >> and those people who have been here many of them 10, 20, 30 years, have also in their own ways also been vetted constantly because they are the ones that are paying social security, they are the ones contributing to our country on a daily basis, and through their existence, are also showing that they are vetted in their own way. i thank you very much for being with us. we will continue our conversation always. thanks. up next, first buddies.

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54 past the hour. earlier this week president-elect trump asked billionaire elon musk to co-lead an outside advisory commission on government efficiency with vivek ramaswamy and "the washington post" reports musk has been in and out of meetings, sitting in on phone calls, weighing resumes and generally becoming as ubiquitous at mar-a-lago as the club's gilded inlay. joining us is one of the journalists behind that reporting, national political reporter for the "washington post." how is the musk-trump relationship evolved?

>> well, it's evolved tremendously. if you go back to 2016, musk publicly did not support donald trump and in 2017, he resigned from a board he was on in the trump administration over the then president trump's decision to withdraw from the paris climate accords, and even this cycle musk got to a place where he privately thought that president trump policies would be better for billionaires such as himself but he didn't want to be the public face. he was trying to figure out how he could help support trump privately without it becoming known. and then after the failed assassination attempt in butler, pennsylvania, musk hours later came out and officially endorsed trump on x and after that, he became a tremendous presence. gave over $200 million to a

super pac that helped turn out voters to vote for trump. he put his money where his mouth was and campaigned for trump on the stump especially in pennsylvania and then down there on election night. i was there. he -- trump gave him a huge shout-out and he's been at mar-a-lago ever since. >> you call the relationship, quote, transactional. what's in it for musk, the richest man on the planet? >> oh, there's a ton in it for musk, including the potential to become richer. he has a number of government contracts. his satellite system. there's also regulations he wants rolled back that could help his company like tesla. he stands to gain a ton financially. and in it for musk is there for a lot of people, there is something kind of cool being in

the president's -- soon-to-be president's orbit and having the ability to potentially influence the president of the united states on any number of issues or whims that you care about. >> ashley parker, thank you very much for being with us this morning. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> much more after a short break. don't go anywhere. [♪ you've got to give a little ♪] [♪ take a little ♪] giving without expecting something in return. ♪ giving that's possible through the power of dell ai with intel. so those who receive can find the joy of giving back. ♪ [♪ that's the glory of love. ♪] your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. our advanced matching helps find talented candidates, so you can connect with them fast. visit indeed.com/hire a mystery!

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