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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, from dangerous to brilliant, a wide range of reactions pouring in after donald trump tapped antivaccine activist rfk jr. to lead the department of health and human services. can he get confirmed? what former vice president mike pence just said about the nomination. plus, the calls are coming from inside the house, lawmakers on both sides demanding the release of an ethics report on trump's ag pick, matt gaetz. but the ethics committee, which spent years investigating him, just canceled its meeting today, so what happens now? the new warning from speaker mike johnson. and going nuclear. axios is now reporting that israel destroyed an active top secret nuclear weapons research facility in iran last month.

that's according to current and former u.s. and israeli officials. we'll have a live report from the middle east coming up. also, the wheels of change, a major round of layoffs at general motors today, what's behind those cuts. our nbc reporters are following all of the latest developments. but, first, to the developing backlash surrounding donald trump's selection of robert kennedy jr. to head health and human services. nbc's allie raffa is covering this for us. what more are you hearing? >> reporter: yeah, chris, it cannot be underscored enough how important this role of hhs secretary is, being in charge of 13 health agencies and the largest budget within the federal government with this role being in charge of approving the use of new drugs, the standards for the food enin this country, the handling of outbreaks of infectious diseases and while kennedy has floated some ideas that have become popular, like combatting the

obesity epidemic in the country, raising the standard of food in schools, some of the more controversial views and comments are really what is raising concerns here, when people are thinking about the weight of this job. he's a known conspiracy theorist, he has floated vaccine skepticism. he has called for the unproven connection between autism and vaccines, but we should note that our colleague vaughn hillyard asked kennedy directly last week whether if confirmed as hhs secretary he would pull vaccines off of the market. and kennedy denied ever having that as a possibility that he would consider. but there are already staffers within the fda, who are concerned about their ability to do their job in the future, if kennedy is confirmed as hhs secretary. now the big question now is whether that will happen, considering the reaction that we're seeing pour in. we're seeing republicans for the most part praise this decision

by the president-elect, while notably still not saying for the senators on their part not saying how they would vote during this confirmation process. and there is one republican who is not a senator, but still very publicly opposing this decision by president-elect trump and that is his former vice president mike pence, who said in a statement this morning, in part, quote, i believe the nomination of rfk jr. to serve as secretary of hhs is an abrupt departure from the pro-life record of our administration and should be deeply concerning to millions of pro-life americans who have supported the republican party and our nominees for decades. they're calling this decision dangerous and disturbing. so something to watch moving forward as this confirmation process begins in january.

>> allie raffa, thank you. now to the uncertainty that is growing over whether a house ethics report on matt gaetz will be released. nba's ryan nobles is reporting on capitol hill. the ethics committee canceled this meeting today, calls to release their report have been growing. what is the latest? >> reporter: well, the chair of that ethics committee, chris, announced that that meeting has only been postponed. there is still the possibility they could talk about whether or not they would release the report. this is something we know senate republicans at least want to see the underlying evidence involved in the report. but there was a big step back in this report ever seeing the light of day today, and that came from the speaker of the house, mike johnson, who initially said that he was not going to comment on the ethics committee, it wasn't his job as speaker of the house, that the committee needed to operate independently, well now johnson is weighing in and he's saying the report should not come out. take a listen. >> i believe that it is very important to maintain the house's tradition of not issuing

ethics reports on people who are no longer members of congress. i think it would open a pandora's box. it is a very important rule that should be maintained. if it has been broken once or twice, it should not have been because that would be a pandora's box. i think it's a very important tradition to maintain regardless of the circumstances. >> reporter: in that back and forth with the speaker, and reporters, he was pressed on the fact that this pandora's box has already been open there are numerous examples, two that we know of where instances where members of congress have left their office and the ethics reports still issued the reports on them. chris, this certainly calls into question whether or not this information will ever come out. now, senators have said even if they don't get the information from the ethics report specifically, perhaps they will still get it from an fbi background check or from their own independent investigation regardless. it seems very clear that the matt gaetz confirmation process

is still going to draw great deal of scrutiny and there are a number of skeptical republican senators who have yet to say how they will vote. chris? >> ryan nobles, thank you. now to the middle east, where axios is reporting that israel took out an active nuclear weapons research facility in iran. our team is out to comment from the state department, but tensions in the region are high as israel keeps up its fierce bombardment of iran's proxies in lebanon. nbc's danielle hamamdjian reports. bring us up to speed. >> reporter: good evening from beirut, chris. go back a few weeks ago when israel was still planning its attack on iran, following retaliation for iran's missile attack on october 1st. president biden told the israelis do not hit nuclear

sites because it could trigger a war. well, now axios is reporting that the facility was still chosen as a target and the reason why is because iran had never declared it as part of its nuclear program and so as axios puts it, iran wouldn't be able to acknowledge the significance of the attack without admitting it violated the nuclear treaty. axios reporting what took place in the facility was research that could be used to one day develop a nuclear weapon. as one expert put it to me, this strike was not sensitive enough to hit a nerve, to trigger a war. but it allowed israel to say to iran, we know what you're up to, we know what you're doing and we have been able to penetrate the system. now, an iranian envoy was sent to beirut today where a truce proposal between hezbollah and israel is being discussed. and examined very closely over the next few days.

this truce proposal was handed by the u.s. ambassador to lebanon yesterday, and according to one lebanese official speaking to nbc, there are 13 points in this truce proposal and there seems to be broad agreement on all 13 points. the issue now is fine tuning the language as you know, the devil is always in the details. but what this calls for in the first 60 days, if it does go ahead, is number one, israeli forces would have to completely withdraw from lebanon. number two, lebanese forces and u.n. forces would then take over the buffer zone between lebanon and israel. and number three, hezbollah would have to move litani river, 40 miles from the border with israel. it is going to be a tense 72 hours, but they're hopeful that there is going to be an announcement next week. let's cross our fingers. we have been here before, chris. >> we have indeed.

danielle hamamdjian, thank you so much. now to the thousand general motors employees who found out today that their jobs are being eliminated. cnbc's michael weiland is following this for us. what is going on there, michael? >> reporter: yeah, hello from detroit, chris. this morning gm let about a thousand people know with the company, mostly suburban detroit, at the warren tech center they would no longer be with the company. since we wrote about this, this morning, i can tell you a number of employees reached out to me and many of them were very surprised by this outcome. some of them had decades of experience with the company, others just a few years, and those with the still company were pretty surprised that the cuts came right now. the automaker is very profitable right now. it laid off a thousand people in august, previously. so, many thought the cuts would be over by now. but gm is in the middle of a cost-cutting measure, trying to trim $2 billion from their business this year.

and they're also kind of fighting a slowdown in sales, they're shifting their strategy from being all in on evs to kind of including some plug-in hybrids as well as other vehicles. so we're just seeing a major change for general motors right now. and from what i can tell you, the employees hope that this is the last round of layoffs by the end of the year. it went from all of the business, from engineering to competitive intelligence, and they also -- gm said in order to compete in the market, we need speed and excellence. they're trying to streamline efficiency now and it is hectic across the industry, with continuing to see these announcements and gm is just the latest. >> a thousand people without jobs heading into the holiday season, michael weiland, thank you. when we're back in 90 seconds, donald trump is shaping the justice department, one that investigated him, with men he entrusted with his freedom. we'll talk about that next. entrusted with his freedom

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or adversaries of the agencies they're being asked to lead. joining me now, nbc's ryan reilly, msnbc legal analyst paul butler and msnbc legal correspondent lisa lisa, i don't need to tell you, you were in the trial room day after day after day, you watched the relationship between donald trump, his lawyer, todd blanche, emil bove. talk a little bit about that, what it is like and what it could mean, do you think, at the department of justice? >> todd blanche has an unusually strong relationship with donald trump. donald trump as we covered at the time, chris, was unhappy to be in the courtroom most of the time. morose, much of the time. there were moments he laughed and lightened up and that's when he was talking to todd blanche sitting next to him. >> really close. >> really close together,

whispering together so they couldn't be detected. i joked that the relationship was almost bromantic. why that matters is because at the department of justice, there are protocols about who can talk to the white house about ongoing cases and under existing department policy, who can talk to the white house at the department of justice, well, that's the attorney general or the deputy attorney general. and the only people those people are supposed to talk to about ongoing litigation are the white house counsel or his deputy or the president himself. so, lots of reliance by donald trump on todd blanche will go into the future in s of who can pick up the phone and talk about what is going on at the department. >> this is what todd blanche said about trump and his violations of the gag order against him after the conviction in may. >> he's trying to get elected. it is not my job to tell him how to communicate to the american

people about why they should view this case as something that is other than the right thing and the right way. the district attorney should be handling cases and the judge as well. so, you're right, the -- >> is that a smart strategy to stay on the courthouse steps and rip the judge that is going to sentence you and decide your fate and freedom in six weeks. >> you say rip the judge, but it is also president trump expressing his very strong views about why he didn't get a fair shake. yes, it is a strong strategy. >> so, look, that's an example of blanche defending trump outside the court of law, that's what defense attorneys are paid to do. we also know, paul that donald trump has not been happy with doj in his first term. he believes that he should have someone acting as his personal lawyer. how complicated could this get? >> so, look, todd blanche and emil bove are both former federal prosecutors who any republican president might have

considered. but if matt gaetz is confirmed as ag, he will be their boss, they will have to answer to him as a defense attorney for donald trump. they march to trump's orders, even when it wasn't in the best interest of their client leading to their client's conviction for felonies. so, the question is whether these lawyers will be able to say no when trump asked them to do something illegal or unconstitutional. neither of trump's previous attorneys general were models of integrity. but both jeff sessions and bill barr have the fortitude to stand up to trump in critical homes. i don't know if we have evidence that this new team by trump would respect this bedrock principle of our democracy. when you work for the department of justice, your client is the united states of america. not the president. >> and the difference between todd blanche and matt gaetz is blanche actually does have experience as a prosecutor.

so, if blanche's nomination is confirmed before gaetz's, which is possible, given the controversy surrounding matt gaetz, he could serve as acting attorney general. how with that work? >> that's right. so under federal statute, there is a specific statute that talks about the succession plan at the department of justice. and so if the attorney general position is open, by virtue of resignation or death or removal of somebody, the person who sits as deputy attorney general gets to be the acting attorney general. and here you can envision the scenario where it behooves the trump administration to try and confirm todd blanche as soon as possible so that he can start the department on the foot that donald trump wants it to start on, even if matt gaetz lingers for some period of time. the other thing that i think people need to know is there is something called the federal vacancies reform act that says anybody serving in an acting capacity has 210 days and then they got to get out of there. there is a question about the department of justice because

there is a specific statute related to doj. is that time limited? that's an open legal question. todd blanche could be the confirmed deputy ag, but serving as the attorney general for some unlimited period of time and the court has yet to determine how those two statutes interact. >> so what you have is someone who argued his case for trump in supreme court, the others who defended trump against doj in their cases against him. folks who could have crew roles in the agency and matt gaetz is a loyalist who has thought there was a witch-hunt going on. what could all that do to the cases, the personnel who worked on them, the evidence. >> so, donald trump has said that he wants to go after people who he perceives as his political enemies and gaetz would be the ag of trump's dreams. he would weaponize the doj to go after anyone donald trump

doesn't like, and, chris, you might think, well, why would anybody be worried if they haven't committed a crime. just being the subject of a federal criminal investigation can ruin your life, financially and personally. and that seems like the kind of vengeance donald trump promised on the campaign trail. >> ryan, then we have the january 6th cases. we heard a couple of different things, multiple different things from donald trump. what is the latest on the potential for him to pardon january 6th defendants? >> it is interesting, some of my sources on both sides here, within the justice department and supporters of january 6th defendants are on the same page about what matt gaetz would mean for the justice department. i had one ally of january 6th defendants, the wife of the first defendant who went to trial describe matt -- on january 6th, described matt gaetz as a wrecking ball in a

positive manner. and that's what i think the justice department employees are really feeling today. there is -- this is sort of almost in bizarro world this could possibly be matt gaetz because it is just -- it really is -- was that last minute thing that was out of left field. he's a strong advocate for january 6th defendants. he spread lies on january 6th itself, he suggested he on twitter that he had spoken with donald trump during the actual attack. he said several of us spoke with trump during the attack referring to fellow republicans. and then spread lies about this being the work of antifa under -- pretending to be trump supporters and held a press conference outside of doj. this goes on and on. for the past three years he hosted this right wing former speechwriter for the white house and spread a lot of these conspiracy theories including about ray epps, about some of the pipe bombs saying that was some sort of federal setup. every conspiracy theory with

january 6th, matt gaetz has been at the forefront of that, usually alongside marjorie taylor greene. you can't understate what this could potentially mean for the january 6th investigation. >> ryan reilly, paul butler, lisa rubin, thank you. right now, president biden is in peru ahead of a key meeting with china's president xi. so how much can a lame duck president accomplish on such a high stakes trip? you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports," only on msnbc. why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten. prilosec otc. one pill. 24 hours. zero heartburn. have you compared your medicare plan recently? with ehealth, you can compare medicare plans side by side for free. so we invited people to give ehealth a try and discover how easy it can be to find your medicare match. this is pretty amazing. i can go on a vacation with this money. i have quite a few prescriptions. that's why people call us. we're going to compare plans, and i'm gonna try to get you as much bang for your buck as possible. that's great.

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president biden is preparing for a final showdown with china's xi jinping while in peru for the apec summit. tomorrow's meeting with xi is expected to cover critically important topics from deepening economic tensions between the east and west, to the uncertain future of u.s./china relations with donald trump's return about to happen. nbc's mike memoli is reporting from lima, peru. victor ha, president of the geopolitics in foreign policy department and korea chair at the center for strategic and international studies. he's author of the new book "the black box: demystifying the study of korean reunification and north korea." so, mike, talk about what's happening. how is president biden approaching this summit, what is a realistic goal here? >> reporter: well, chris, you've covered a president on these overseas trips yourself. you know often when they're attending a summit like this, we

would be talking about what are the deliverables going to be, what does the president hope to be able to announce they accomplished at this summit. that's less the case with this year's apec summit and the g-20 coming up next because this is the president's last foreign trip. one of them, at least. a lot of the foreign leaders attending this are all meeting with one another, frankly, to try to plan how they're going to approach the trump presidency. but, what president biden is using this summit to try to highlight is some of the successes he feels of his administration so far. we're about to see an example of that when he sits down in the next hour or so with the prime minister of japan, the president of south korea, he's hoping to lock into place this new trilateral relationship. the u.s. has strong relationships for a long time with japan, with south korea, but only been under his administration that those two countries have improved relations with one another. part of his strategy to deal with rising chinese influence. so it is intentional, i think, the timing of these meetings, the fact he's doing this meeting with south korea and japan to

set up the meeting with president xi. as the president likes to say, all politics is personal, including foreign policy. he has worked with president xi for 14 years going back to when bothwere vice president. so, it is that depth of experience he'll be bringing into that meeting as well. a very full agenda and what the national security adviser jake sullivan says is an important conversation to make sure that there is still some stability and predictability in this relationship with china during this time of transition into the trump administration. >> also with us, is richard haass, senior counselor at center view partners and president emeritus at the council on foreign relations. so, richard, realistically what can a lame duck president and maybe more specifically this president accomplish in these final 66 days in office, in a world that is rapidly changing and nervously anticipating what might happen next? >> look, as your question suggests, there is limits to what the president can promise, reassure, guarantee. he's not in a position to lock

in the next administration, but he could do things, take ukraine, for example. if the president wanted, the president wanted what he could do is, for example, take off a lot of the restraints that currently exist on the way ukraine can use weapons that the united states supplies. that's a specific thing he can do. he could reach a new understanding with the ukraine government about war aims and about the relationship between u.s. aid and what it is they want. with israel, he could perhaps if he wanted to get tougher on the provision of arms and certain understandings about gaza. he could require, for example, the israelis, when they export to the united states from the occupied territories now, the items made in israel. he can say made in the occupied territories. there are certain things he could do which would create new

u.s. policies that would mean just that, there is things the president in this position is able to do. >> let me ask you what you're hearing from allies, from european partners about some of the things that are already happening in anticipation of donald trump being the next president of the united states, including reports that some are feeling terrified by the picks that they're seeing, particularly in the national security and foreign policy realm. what are you hearing? >> look, there is concern it is less about the picks, more about their experience in the four years of the previous trump administration. people like marco rubio, mark waltz i don't think are setting off alarm bells. the bigger concerns is questions about the new potential secretary of defense, where they watched what happened with the attorney general or what -- the health and human services choices and that raises fundamental questions about this administration, the united states, what is or who is the

united states right now. so far at least the principle national security picks are, you know, they're not in end zones. they're somewhere around the middle of the field. >> all right, victor, back to china's leadership reacting to trump's return and what could be this next chapter that is, let's say, tense, intense, between the two super powers, especially amid talk of a potential trade war, give us your take on where this might be going. >> i think there are concerns about that. we have to remember that the last time these two leaders met with apec in san francisco last year, when we were really in the midst of spiraling tensions, the spy balloon had gone across the united states, blinken canceled his trip to china, we were in a -- with china, tensions in the south china sea and taiwan strait and the apec summit meeting in san francisco was meant to sort of stabilize the

relationship. so, in that sense, i think what xi and biden are seeing here, this is a place holder meeting to sort of ensure some of that stability, maybe it is the calm before the storm, i think xi is going to warn about a possible tariff war with the united states. biden i did didn't take off a l the tariffs that trump put on. i think xi wants to see some stability in the relationship for the perspective of u.s. investors. china is very concerned about how u.s. businesses see china as a hostile business environment, we have seen net capital outflows from china. one of the reasons xi went to san francisco last year was to try to stop that outflow of capital. i think he's got an interest in doing that. i agree with richard, there is not much that biden can do at this point in terms of his own administration but he can send important messages on ukraine, on gaza, particularly with regard to china on ukraine, he could send the message that china is just stop sending

machine tools and microelectronics russians are using in their tanks and weapons. >> there is something interesting that is going on as well, victor. xi inaugurated a massive new port in peru, and according to u.n. data, china has replaced the u.s. as the biggest rate partner for many south american countries. it made major investments throughout the region. how does that impact what xi and biden will talk about tomorrow and decisions going forward? >> it is a really good point. the other thing is that one of the highlights of xi's visit, he's going to sign a new free trade agreement with the apec coast, with peru, an upgrading of their existing agreement. meanwhile, you know, in the united states, we have moved away from -- in both parties we moved away from talking about free trade agreements. apec is about when it was created in 1989 with 21 pacific economies, about lowering trade

barriers, free and fair trade, transparent rules, but, you know, politics in our country moved away from that. i wonder whether trump is going to go to future apec summits. he may downgrade it. the focus will be on tariffs and tearing up some existing trade agreements possibly, ipef, usmca and u.s., korea. >> that's a good point. if past is prologue, donald trump did not travel nearly as much to foreign destinations as his predecessors or joe biden has in his four years. thank you very much, much appreciated for all of you. couldn't imagine a better panel to talk about these important topics. mike memoli, richard haass and victor cha. to georgia now, where prosecutors say an undocumented migrant accused of murdering 22-year-old college nursing student laken riley was hunting for females on the university of georgia's campus. that was part of their opening statement in the trial against jose ibarra, whose case has become a lightning rod in the

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new jobs in trump world are bringing new opportunities to make cash. rfk jr. at the bottom of an email to supporters celebrating by the way the news of trump picking him for hhs secretary, includes a red donate button. he's also selling merchandise that says make america healthy again, $35 for a baseball cap and another $35 for a t-shirt, $22 for a onsie. he says he was unjustly denied secret service protection and has to pay for -- had to pay for his own and he's making up for that. meanwhile, the former and now future first lady melania trump has started selling a digital photo series called on the move to highlight what she calls her fast moving life. you can purchase online photos

of her life with the president-elect for just $195. joining me now, mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain and i wonder what you make of all this. >> well, hi, chris. you know, this just adds fuel to voters' distrust about the hypocrisy of american politicians. you know, when you get to elected office and you use it as an opportunity to l merch and pay off your debts it no wonder why people have so little faith in the institutions of american politics. so there is just no wall anymore between money and politics and when the president himself can sell tennis shoes and crypto and whatever else he wants to, it just -- it is just a sort of a death spiral of trust and that's the real problem ultimately is that people, you know, why wouldn't they think that money can buy you favor in politics

when you see the -- the president of the united states, the first lady and cabinet secretaries selling merch. >> and yet the merch is not new, including very popular t-shirts that the now president-elect sold with his mug shot on them. and so, what is the incentive not to do it? >> well, there isn't. that's the whole point. robert kennedy jr. just look at his boss and what his boss has done and his wife is looking at what her husband has done. that's the problem, chris, people look at this, the people involved, and say, well, there is no accountability, there is no -- there is no penalty for this, so why not? if i can make money and there is not going to be any repercussion, why not? >> as you know, in the last trump white house, ivanka and jared were advisers to the president. now this time around in florida,

lara trump told fox news she would love to consider taking marco rubio's senate seat if he's confirmed as secretary of state and the governor would ask. if she does that, if she wants it, will desantis do it, does he have a choice, what do you think of this? >> well, boy, this gets into a game of thrones" and shakespeare territory. this is desantis' call. and the question is how badly does he want to get back in good graces with trump. this would be a quick and easy way to do it. on the other hand, if he chooses one of his own people, and makes, for example, a temporary appointment, a place holder, it could be somebody who served for two years until desantis is out at the governor's office and he runs and then he takes the senate seat. so it is a question of his own ambition as a potential united states senator or recognizing the ambitions got cut short by donald trump and this is an

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when president-elect trump is sworn into office, he'll have what republicans believe is a sweeping mandate to change the direction of the country, and maybe roll back major parts of president biden's legacy. from infrastructure projects that bring jobs to driving down the price of prescription drugs, to historic investments to fight climate change, joe biden signed into law some seismic pieces of legislation, though the full impact won't be felt for years. nbc's sahil kapur has new reporting from capitol hill. mark mckinnon is back with us. okay, sahil, you've been speaking to trump allies to republican lawmakers, so give us the lowdown on joe biden's legacy and what might survive, what might not. >> reporter: well, there is a lot that president biden of course did over the last four years and donald trump and republicans will be coming after parts of that legacy once they take control of washington in january. we broke this down into four categories, ranging from which

parts of biden's legacy are most at risk, to which parts are the safest. let's start with executive actions. these are the most at risk. just based on trump's campaign, we should expect him to unravel president biden's executive actions on immigration, lgbtq rights, transgender rights, student loan forgiveness programs, those are very much up in the air, abortion travel across state lines, donald trump indicated he doesn't believe there is a federal role in protecting abortion rights. anything joe biden did with a stroke of a pen donald trump can undo with a strike of a pen. the second category are spending and tax policies. president biden enacted them on party lines with a democratic-controlled congress, now republicans are looking to undo some of them in their early budget bill next year. that includes most notably the inflation reduction act, clean energy funding measure, the obama care tax credits. i talked to a number of senior republicans who say these spending provisions and tax credits will be on the table in their bill trying to extend the

trump tax cuts as a way to pay for those tax cuts and anything in the american rescue plan that early 2021 pandemic relief bill, any unspent funds will be on the table. there is a third category, bipartisan bills that biden passed with congress. these were ultimately passed with 60 votes with the help of some republicans there is some noise about trying to roll them back, but not clear if republicans will have the votes given that democrats still have the filibuster they tell me they will use that filibuster to protect it. finally, chris, there is the category of biden's legacy, which is probably the most consequential, the safest, the judges he has appointed. 215 in total. democrats will boost that number, that includes justice ketanji brown jackson, emblematic of this judicial legacy. large shares of women, diversity in personal background and

professional background. these judges serve for a lifetime. there is nothing that republicans will be able to do to unseat them, chris. >> sahil, that's great reporting. mark, what is -- look, you ran on it, right? donald trump ran on this. what do you think the chances are he comes in with a goal and intention to undo as much of joe biden's legacy as much as he can. >> really good reporting there. you know, one of the things that donald trump did, when he became president in 2016 and then did over the course of his presidency was tested the limits of executive authority and what it could -- what it could do and hadn't done before. biden to a certain extent did the same. he figured that out as well. but the problem is if you live by executive action, you die by executive action and that's what's going to -- the problem for biden is. so trump is going to look at every single executive action of biden's he can just turn them over on his own, doesn't need legislative authority to do

that. as pointed out, i think the most prominent of those will be what trump has campaigned on from the day he went down the escalator, immigration. he will look at any executive action he can take to reinforce his pledges to do something about the border. >> we have 20 seconds left. is he going to start on day one? >> i just -- i just take it right there. immigration is going to be number one, number two and number three. and the others on the list will go accordingly. but immigration is where he's going to jump in first. that's where he's been his most dominant campaign pledge. >> thank you, both, so much. i hope you'll have a great weekend. that is going to do it for us this hour. i hope you have a great weekend as well. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every week day, 1:00 to 3:00. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" next. coverag "katy tur reports" next. me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me.♪

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