>> the movie is not about that. i think it is about how we all have secrets, we have all invented ourselves, things in our past we want to let go of. at this moment, the contrivance of the film is that he is giving his last confession, somewhat like crap last tape, which is a very famous play where a guy is sitting alone in a room, listening to old tapes of him telling the story of his life. it is true, to some extent what he is remembering. that is it for us this morning. tune in tomorrow for a new round of "morning joe: weekend." until then, enjoy the rest of your saturday. of your satur good morning, it is saturday .

today, new details about donald trump's pick for attorney general. the right-wing propaganda machine. will it help trump win the white house, it may be a crucial part of the second term. congressman joins the conversation so grab your copy, settle in to the weekend. breaking overnight, a woman told the house ethics committee that she saw donald trump's pick for attorney general have sex with a minor. that is according to the woman's lawyer who told nbc news "my client testified to the house ethics committee that she witnessed matt gaetz having sex with a minor in a house party

in 2017. matt gaetz who resigned from congress has denied all allegations of sexual misconduct. matt gaetz is one several controversial pics from trump threatening to turn the white house into a taxpayer funded circus. again, there is the vaccine skeptic, robert f kennedy jr, the fox host, pete hegseth who trump wants as defense secretary and there is tulsi gabbard, director of national intelligence who has been accused of propaganda and who has no national intelligence experience. here at the table is joe walsh from illinois, a former 20/20 republican presidential candidate. i already have a migraine. this read gave me a migraine because it is real! this is real! >> it is very real. it is very

real. so donald trump is leveling up a menagerie of misfits, people that he knows are not competent, capable, intelligent enough to do the jobs that he is giving them. i want to play for you some sound which, for me, crystallizes all of this and it did so inaugural week of 2017 when steve bannon and rice previous set on a stage in new york city and listed out the priorities of the then incoming administration was. this is some sound not from them but from this past friday from steve bannon who had this to say about what we are witnessing: >> we are going to burn some of these institutions down to the ground because you know why? they need to be burned down to the ground. >> the deconstruction of the administrative state has been a key calling card for those

acolytes around donald trump. donald trump is probably more or less agnostic in most cases. what is your take on what you are seeing with these potential cabinet secretaries running agencies that affect the health of the american people and the national security of our country? >> assume the worst. assume the most sinister. in this era of trump over the last nine or 10 years, we just have not used our imagination. assume the worst. it is not going to be a circus. this is more dangerous. donald trump has convinced millions and millions of americans that the justice department is our enemy. the fbi is our enemy, the intelligence community is our enemy so this will be four years of tearing down these institutions, michael. just like donald trump successfully tore down our

elections system. same thing. >> i am looking at this big picture and to me, there are two things to be concerned about, the fact that there will be no checks on his power, that he is installing loyalists in a lot of these positions and the fact that these are bureaucracies. you do need someone who understands the mechanism of simply managing a lot of employees, of big institutions, which piece are you most concerned about? >> [ laughter ] >> [ laughter ] pick your poison, joe walsh!>> i think they want these bureaucracies to fail. they want them to break. these people have no business running these departments. >> do they want that, though? or do they want to reshape it in their image? like in the case of rfk, is it simply about there is bloat and i want to get rid of some of these people and fill it up

with people that will do it my way which you might very well disagree with? >> that is what he said, i want to get people out that don't believe what i believe in terms of the fda, the cdc. all of these agencies report to him. >> the scientists and the experts, the health experts, they are the enemy. this is like a root -- revenge against dr. fauci's. the best thing you can say is that she is a vladimir putin cheerleader. that is the best thing you can say it is all about revenge for what russia did in 2016. >> i know tulsi gabbard, the former tulsi gabbard. i say the former because she was an endorser of senator sanders in hour 2015-2016 campaign and resigned from the dnc as the vice chair at the time to endorse because as a vice chair of the party, you cannot play in the party primary . and that person has just transformed into someone else.

she has no national security experience and i think the best way to describe the job she has been put up for is that she is a clearinghouse for all of the intelligent information into the country. we only know that the russians were connected to these bomb threats and there were no actual bombs, the bomb threat on election day because the old dni working with all of the other intelligence agencies put it out and made it clear talking to people on the ground , people should just understand that there is no 3-d happening as one of my ex-followers said, this is what he said he would do.>> on another network a couple of days ago -- >> don't make us jealous, joe, not this early. >> i was going to say! we keep that seat for you! >> if i am at allied of americas, i am not sure my intelligence with america. if i am france and the uk, i am not sharing my intelligence.

>> they will get rejected information from the. >>:of how serious it is. >> in terms of keeping our people safe. >> yes. >> how serious is it, like you got these various agencies and i have been trying to keep my head cool and level about this because bureaucracy is now in control of our government and we are sitting here. i am listening to some people. i have been with some people recently in which one or two are very surprised that this was happening. and i say, well, you voted for trump, why are you surprised? because the man has always told us this is what he wants to do so in that vein, i wanted to play it leader jeffries and his thinking about these particular pics. let's listen to the king.

>> former administration and the former president promised on the campaign trail that america would have the best economy, the best border security and the best administration possible. and the question that we all have to ask when we are confronted with nominations like robert f kennedy jr, are these the best individuals available to the incoming trump administration? robert f kennedy jr by way of example, the best? that america has to offer? >> that is why he is the leader. you know, and this is what she should be doing with her little

press appearances! >> exactly. so is this the best we can do? it is very clear that it is not. so what, then, happens in the senate? what then does the senate look at this and say, is this the best we can do? and if it is not, why would they vote for it? >> because they are cowards. the story of the last nine years is republican cowardice. if any of these people get to a vote like republicans will approve them, i think they will try to kneecap them before they even get to a vote. i think you will see stuff about gates and gabbard leaked over the next month so that they don't get to a vote but i don't see republicans turning down any of these pics. >> i don't see them turning in -- it down. maybe one, one would be matt gaetz because he has not been a practicing attorney. he went to law school and

private practice for a hot second and went to the statehouse in florida so he has never been a prosecutor and has never been a defense attorney. we don't know what kind of loss he has practiced but he is going to lead dozens of departments. and one could argue again, the same kind of thing, he is a veteran. to lead the department of defense but i think the way matt gaetz nomination gets tanked is, i don't know what you think alysia but if more details of this -- trafficking is the only way that i could describe it because that is what the investigation was in the illicit drug use, i think it details a name or phases put with the story and then i think that is what takes the nomination. it is crazy for me to say that that is what is is going to take.>> we have some reporting coming in overnight from julie

tsirkin on the fact that the majority of the tenant -- senate gop says dates are confirmed even if it is an ugly battle. your point about cowardice, they know. whether they know and will say it with their face and name attached is a different question. >> yeah, that is so laughable. that is so freaking laughable. oh, yeah, the majority. privately. is this the same private folks that told us january 6th that the president of the united states was about to be impeached because everybody went to the floor and they said privately? that is what is going to happen? you are absolutely right. they were not prepared to do this but here is the deal: i think, i think, i am just a little crazy here -- you've got speaker johnson and donald trump having a conversation and johnson is like, we have a problem, can you help me out?

can you make an appointment? oh, sure. so you get him out of the house. so what happens, he is gone and no longer a house problem. then it becomes, is it trump's problem? trump is like, you have to get through the senate. >> we are going to commercial break and i want to tell you more on the other side. stay with us. we will continue this conversation right after a quick break so be sure to stay with us. congressman talking about the agenda. you are watching the weekend. which penetrates deep to target the source of pain with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicine directly at the source. voltaren, the joy of movement. [♪♪] voltaren, did you know, there's a detergent that gets your dishes up to 100% clean, even in an older dishwasher? try cascade platinum plus. for sparkling clean dishes even on the toughest jobs. just scrape, load and you're done. switch to cascade platinum plus.

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i will give you the truth of why i'm not speaker. because one person, a member of congress wanted me to stop an ethics complaint because he slept with a 17-year-old, an ethics complaint that started before i became speaker and that is illegal. did he do it or not, i don't know. there are other people in jail because of it and he wanted me

to influence it.>> well that was former speaker kevin mccarthy earlier this year. in georgetown. on matt gaetz, joe walsh is back with us. it is ridiculous. but this is where we are. i am told we had the sound of speaker johnson talking about the ethics committee. that is not found, we are going to read it but speaker johnson earlier this week said he doesn't want to get into it. >> a terrible breach of protocol. >> exactly. now it is a terrible breach of protocol if it comes out. the ethics committee is equal equal regardless of who is in the majority, an equal number of democrats and an equal number of republicans. usually the michael's report, if the report is going to come out and be damning, do you think we will see this report?

i know the senate has asked for it but it would be unprecedented to release a report about a member who is no longer does >> actually, it would not because the house has done this before on a number of occasions in the past where reports have been released, when the member has subsequently left the house . and the fact that the speaker would stand there and say just a few days before, it is reporting the washington post, the new york times reporting on this very point so the fact that you would sit here and say, oh, well, i just can't, that is the president, that is the history. no, that is not the president. and i think it is important for people to understand that to get into the rope a dope, you are getting a lot of crazy noise that is misdirecting the fact that the ethics committee as you know is a former member

has the power to release it if they so decide, period. >> but it goes to the broader point, it will get out because the senate republicans are cowards, they do not want to have to vote on matt gaetz so crap will come out about him, i think, at a daily basis. >> we are going to talk to julie tsirkin about this. and this idea of recess appointments and when recess appointments are appropriate and how they are supposed to be utilized and what it is that donald trump is talking about michael walden from the brendan center was interviewed by the washington post and he said that trump had effectively provoked his first constitutional crisis eight days after winning the election by suggesting this is how he is going to ram these folks through . >> i think it will move beyond suggestion. i think there is an immense pressure he is putting on the senate to approve of recess appointments. >> you know what they will say,

obama did recess appointments. there was also a supreme court case in the midst of all of that but never has a president done it for someone in a cabinet position? we are talking about a different level. >> never has this been orchestrated the way this is being set up and orchestrated because what obama has done as a result of the partisan wrangling, it is not a defense, it is just the facts. but this is an orchestrated effort. >> by the president who wants the other branch of government to bend. >> not while he is in office but before he gets there and it is a test, a test of loyalty. >> i want to be hope all about this but, you know, my migraine, my instincts, i am realistic. i think what you all are describing is actually what is

going to happen. it is a test and he will make a recess appointment and when the senate comes back, they have to confirm up to one year. i feel like they just won't let them be acting. i feel like donald trump had a lot of acting secretaries at the end of his tenure. julie sue saying he won't confirm her under the biden administration so he could just have a bunch of the acting members and congress is going to tell the supreme court? what is the supreme court going to do? >> there is a certain portion of those who voted for him like this place doesn't work. so why should he be frozen into their rules? like he has been doing for years? >> don't be helpful. i am prepared for the worst. it is these people he is putting in charge of these agencies. it is the deep state. trump is convinced he has to go after the deep state. this is going to be scary stuff

. it really is. >> i agree with that. i think what is important here is not to lose sight that this is a combo meal. it is not just matt gaetz. it is not just tulsi gabbard. it is not just -- lord help us -- rfk. it is the combo meal. and this is what trump has been so expert at, everything all at once. i am going to throw it all at once let you figure out which one you're going after and it overwhelms the system because the system is ready and prepared for orderliness. it is not prepared to deal with a scattered, four dimensional, seven-dimensional, whatever, can the process of dealing with this agency, that agency, a president who is screaming to the senate, i want you to change the rules because i want you to change the rules. in the senate, the new majority

leader who has always been a huge fan and admirer has already shown, well, we are going to give the president what the president wants. and i understand that. in any other circumstance, it makes sense, but here. >> he plans on day one to begin his mass deportation. there is so much that is going to come to us that we are just not ready for. >> they cannot stop anything but they can at least be on record and i think it is great for hakeem jefferies has been out there being very clear about how democrats will the new world order. has anybody seen chuck schumer? >> no, they have not and that is because an institutional list is sitting there shellshocked in the corner while the rogue player is going around the room just blowing stuff up. >> god bless senator coombs and durbin because they aren't police going on the record. >> joe walsh, a former member

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donald trump is already testing republicans in congress and few if any seem willing to defy him. surprise, surprise. here is republican councilman troy nell, this week. >> his mission and his object is whatever that is, we need to embrace it. all of it, every single word and his mission statement, we need to embrace. if donald trump says jump three feet high and scrape your head, we all jump three feet high and scratch your heads and that is it. >> that is not it, that is ignorance, that is not leadership. that is not why members of

congress are sent, to jump. >> that is american civics 101. >> julie tsirkin joins us now. i don't know how you do it every day but welcome. >> julie, you are in the congressional straits, the senate straits, what is going on? okay? tell us, what is happening behind the scenes? >> i don't think we have enough time in the day to go over it. donald trump is not even in the white house yet, right? and this is a taste of what it is going to be like not only for us but republicans in congress who are going through the motions. senator john three room was just selected the majority leader, he was having a great day. and matt gaetz got appointed. and everyone's reaction was just shell shock. jaw on the floor, laughter from

some republicans, wtf thrown around. >> but why? this is the part that is so out -- it is so dumb about all of this. these folks act like they don't know who this man is after he has pumped them time and time. thank you for the clarification. but seriously, you don't know who he is, you are shocked that he has put up matt gaetz? you are shocked that he put up anybody at this point? why do they still pretend? why are they so out there? but then as we just heard from the congressman, if he says jump, we jump. if he says three feet, it is three feet, no matter what he tells us to do so you should not be shocked 4:i think gaetz,

allies of the president-elect, i ran into lindsey graham who talk to him all the time and he was like, i had no idea this was coming.>> apparently it came from the plane ride to dc. she was in another cabin in the trump airplane. meanwhile, matt gaetz was in this cabin with trump and hatching a plan. it was actually like something right out of a bad netflix movie . >> you are supposed to not have to work on friday nights and saturdays. like that is not how the congressional beat is supposed to go and yet you have done some reporting in the last 24 hours? >> and at least 30 senate republicans right now are saying matt gaetz is a qualified and we will not support him. i have been in trump's administration, i have seen them stand up and admonish trump after january the sixth.

they thought he would vote to convict him and he didn't so it is always in the back of my mind where i am hearing all of this outrage and matt gaetz is universally disliked. his investigations. republicans say he destroyed the house by kicking mccarthy out. it is one whether matt gaetz is actually a lawyer, he is not he hasn't had that experience so i think for gates, it was a whole new level entirely and i think trump is just testing the new majority leader who he doesn't fully trust yet. >> in the reporting that you have about the attorney for the woman came forward that said she witnessed this sexual act at a party happening. is that having an effect on senators, do you think? >> it is just not anything that they don't already know and believe, right? like they already know that something shady happened. he was never charged with the department of justice but there

is a reason the ethics committee investigated for years. a member of that panel told me when they restarted the investigation into gaetz, the department of justice dropped the charges but that doesn't mean he didn't do something unethical and unbecoming of a member of congress but they want to see the facts to be clear. >> and i think they will see the facts. since the senate is going to be the central player with these nominations, you hit the bottom line on the nbc news story this week about the election of john three room in which it was noted that he ran for leader on a platform carrying out president-elect donald trump's agenda although the two men have not always seen eye to eye. rejecting false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him. what is your assessment of john through? relative to mitch mcconnell in both the management and the senate and the management of donald trump. >> i think the second piece will be ready critical.

in terms of his politics and what he believes and stands up for, very similar to mitch mcconnell. this is someone probably more expected than mitch mcconnell was especially in recent years but he is also someone working overtime to try to repair his relationship with trump. he flew down the mar-a-lago and sources tell me they have been on the phone back and forth for recent weeks. and actually set up he likes john and i am trying to sell that to senators. that might have rubbed trump the wrong way, we all know he doesn't like an unauthorized endorsement and then there is the question of recess endorsements. >> they have a 53-seat majority and they are an independent branch of government and the executive branch so you are an equal player at the table with

the president and you can negotiate. you don't have to capitulate so what is it about donald trump's stranglehold? >> your acting as a rhetorical question? >> it is a totally rhetorical question.>> maybe it also has to do with -- i talked to someone very familiar with the department of justice earlier this week and i was like, wtf! matt gaetz, question mark? and they are like, look at the senators, they want to be able to deliver for the states and the house but they also don't want an elon musk-funded primary where peter teal primary backer, so they are going to walk a line. and i am like -- >> you are staying with us because we want to talk about recess appointments and talk about that later. why young men flocked to him and we will talk about that

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party, i think he runs a couple of risks. one, he could do it that you have a very weak cabinet secretary. >> kramer, -- >> he is not wrong. that is very much a republicans field. to be clear, trump does have the constitutional power to do this. the last time it happened was under obama and the supreme court was like, wait a minute.>> but no one at this level?>> no one at this level, that is true. and the supreme court said you cannot do this less than 10 days and at that time, john thune with recess appointments but more broadly, trump can do if the house and senate are disagreeing, let's say. only the house sojourns and the senate doesn't, trump can be like, i can force you to adjourn . speaker mike johnson would agree but he probably would. the thing is, senator john

thune and even rick scott said they wanted to get this in regular order. only democrats are obstructing them from confirming trump's pics that they would consider allowing trump to do recess appointments but they don't want somebody like matt gaetz to get through there and bypass all of the protocol. >> i would say, if you want to play the hand, if i am a democrat, here, we will have you force your hand, for she went to a recess game. >> democrats need to and i understand this is very different from the house. the senators are their own little victims, if you will. when ranking members of different committees but the reality is, i do think that the american people want a congress that does their job and is thinking about them and is being thoughtful so democrats cannot just be against everything but they do have to, i think they need to hold the record. i'm sorry, are you supporting that dates and i say this only

because the senator from rhode island was dose prior to matt gaetz coming out, he said, well, the nominee deserves the opportunity to speak. and i am like, yes ex in regular times! this is not regular times. what do you think about the man who is only a veteran, do you think he should be secretary of defense? he is like, he has the opportunity to defend himself. >> there in lies the problem. democrats. >> they did not say anything about matt gaetz yesterday. but that is strategic. they are letting this be a republican show, right? >> they are and god bless them. the american people decide they want something normal is off

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this week, one fake news website acquired another, the onion and the satirical website in bankruptcy auction. info wars was run by conspiracy theorist, alex jones. after jones lost the defamation lawsuit held by the families of the sandy hook shooting victims. we should note a judge has paused to take over while he reviews the terms of the sale.

the right-wing media system which includes dozens of info wars groups now has an emboldened army of online influencers poised to be a mouth piece for the second administration. joining us, angelo. >> angelo, you watch a lot of trump, a lot of alex jones, right? and when i saw this i felt some sense of relief for the families of whose children were victims of the sandy hook shooting because alex jones has inflicted so much pain with his conspiracy theories on to the families for years! your take on this?>> a couple of things, one, i felt good for the families because they finally have some measurable degree of accountability. they won't get all of the money they deserve but he won't be

able to operate under the banner he spent 25 years building and that alone is significant because it feels like a symbolic victory but he acknowledges it disrupts his ability to continue the program. he will have to adapt and change if that would hold is a hit and that is what they are looking for, a way to diminish his destructive potential.>> the videos right now that he is putting out, is he putting them out under info wars?>> he is not. temporarily, he will be able to for a well while the judge holds this but he has been putting them under a new banner he has launched. >> so what is the review? this was duly adjudicated, a decision was rendered, the judge in the case said, "okay, this is what you are going to get. " they had the sale. help us understand what that is about. and the second part with respect off of simone's question, this ecosystem, jones has now got a

different level of competition. at one point, he was the big dog in the room and now there are a whole lot of little puppies who have grown very quickly under donald trump and are starting to replace him so this idea that somehow, we have eaten into this and broken this part of the system is really kind of shortsighted. >> i am glad you brought that up. i don't want to get to deep into it but basically, what jones was hoping for was for the trustee to look at all of the bids and have some kind of a live auction and that would give him the chance to maybe get some other backers that we don't know about and to win on default. that doesn't have to be the case, though. ultimately, the trustees are there to make sure the creditors can get all that they can and in this case, the sandy hook family money that they are owed, all attached to one of

the bids in order to make sure jones is not able to continue what he is doing. that is what the judge is going to review, whether or not there is something going on there but ultimately, it looks like the trustees did what they are supposed to be witches get as much money as possible and now all of these other creditors will have access to the funds. on your other point, that is the significant thing because that is the world we live in. we saw the consequences of that in the election. the family gets accountability with jones but one of the things that you noted is happening in the broader landscape with trump and the republican party is that they are organizing power on what used to be considered the fringes. it used to be jones and out there and you could disconnect from the space but now if you are a creator, you go out there and from will retreat you, push you and you have a vested interest in spinning up these false narratives, streaming conspiracies because it might be used for political purposes so this is the new norm, the new norm is a bunch of alex jones in waiting that we will

have to grapple with. >> there is alex jones and then there is elon musk who is very much inside. you had senator kremer being asked about the relationship between the soon to be president and -- take a listen to what he said. >> i have no problem with how close he is to the president. the president deserves to have friends and elon musk deserves to have friends and the two like each other a lot and that is run by me. it doesn't bother me that he has influence. president trump is pretty much his own man and i think he has proven that. he needs advisors but no, it doesn't bother me. as long as it is legal, as long as it is ethical. >> that is the tricky part! [ laughter ]>> allegedly, again, i believe and we will get the nbc news reporting on this. the iranian, the meeting with the iranian ambassador that elon musk did, he was on the phone when zelensky had a

conversation with president- elect trump, he was independently speaking with vladimir putin and putin has called him alone behalf of his other friend, is it legal? is it ethical?>> probably it is legal, there's a lot of fine lines but the question is, is it okay? is it what we want? do we want someone who already has so much power? not only his own resources but now a social media platform to radically shake the land in which so many people see the world? do we also want him in the room with unaccountable checks? that is the problem. >> if someone has an x account given chains -- chains of service, what are you telling your friends?>> elon musk, i have to be very careful what i tell my friends because they could end up getting dragged in

, in some way and that is sort of a real challenge. what i tell them is that they selected a district to where they are going to have these cases and that we should be careful and mindful about that. there is a reason why and ultimately, whether they want to be a part of that fever swamp or they think they are at risk, i think they should take it into account and i tell them that i am using other platforms as a result of that because i want to reduce my risk and vulnerability because this is someone who has enormous resources and has also made it clear that they will target their critics in significant ways. not just to smash them but to create terms for others so i would say be very careful and mindful that there is a real risk in using the platform and you will be targeted for it and they see my life and how much it has been disrupted over the last year and i think they learned a lesson without me saying anything. >> i had something i was going to say but i am going to leave it there because i think your statement sums up the problem

we have with this culture that has formed around trump. that everyone needs to be aware and prepared for what is about to come. the platform for free speech eight free, folks. apparently a lot of bloggers out there waiting for you from elon musk. angelo, thank you. we feel that much because lord knows i have to. we have another jampacked hour of "the weekend." congressman pramila jayapal , erin smith and terrence woodberry will be joining us so i need you to stick around and come back with that mug full! you are watching "the weekend." us the other. new sensodyne clinical white, it provides 2 shades whiter teeth as well as providing 24/7 sensitivity protection. patients are going to love to see sensodyne on the shelf. switch to shopify and sell

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welcome back, everyone to the weekend. in about two months, donald trump will return to the white house with a republican congress ready to do anything and everything he wants. every day between now and inauguration day, it counts. and democrats plan to make the most of these next few months, working to safeguard our institutions, house democratic leader jeffries is already strategizing a