welcome back, everyone to the weekend. in about two months, donald trump will return to the white house with a republican congress ready to do anything and everything he wants. every day between now and inauguration day, it counts. and democrats plan to make the most of these next few months, working to safeguard our institutions, house democratic leader jeffries is already strategizing a pathway forward

to best push back against trump's extreme agenda. on the question is simply this, what can be done now? that's before trump takes office to protect the gains made during the biden administration? to help us figure out some of that at least, here at the table, we are happy to welcome back democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal from the great state of washington. she is the chair of the congressional progressive caucus. >> the democratic leader of the house of representatis, hakeem jeffries, he had an interview with leader jeffries.

>> we are not going to bow down to the extremism and we will push back against it whenever necessary in defense of our institutions, american values, the rule of law and the quality of life for working-class americans, which is what, at the end of the day, we are all about. >> pushback, where appropriate, work together when we have to, that is democrats posture i think it's been great to hear such a strong message from democrats in the house, led by leader jeffries, which is different than frankly what i heard from speaker pelosi a couple of days ago. >> look, i think that we had you know, it was really disappointing, we still don't know what the makeup in the house is but it does not look

like we will be in the majority. it does look like it's going to be a better position than we were in last time. we actually gained a couple of seats in the house. we may have, for maybe 3 to 4 months, a slight, if not a majority, because donald trump is appointing a lot of republican house members to his cabinet which means the seats have to be filled. so there will be at least 3 to 4 months where it will be extremely slim, and i'm really not sure how the numbers are working out given that there's already three that have been appointed, let's see if those confirmations go forward, and we have an opportunity to push back. one thing we have to decide is, are we going to be the ones that rescue them from their ruin? we did this last time, several times, we thought the voters would care if you know, democrats and the house were actually rescuing republicans from ruin every single time they broke down and couldn't manage to get anything done, this is a different situation where now we don't have any of the three chambers and i think we have to be very thoughtful about when we decide to

cooperate because so much of their agenda is going to be completely antithetical, and one of the things that we have not done well and that's what you saw reflected in the result is draw a strong contrast between democrats and republicans particularly on economic issues, and that is across every race, you see people turning away from us and this isn't just this election. i looked at numbers, i only looked going back to 2012 but i bet if you went back to nafta and looks from nafta onwards, you would see how we are losing working-class americans and there are democrats in leading physicians who have said on camera that for every working- class person we lose, we will gain two republicans, that's not happening. that's not

happening. >> you are right, in the vein of the political process, certainly the politics of the legislation which you know very well as a member, you are right, you will not be gaining republicans that way, this cycle was an offset because all of us in the democracies face was like, the country matters more than the political aspirations of donald trump to be a dictator, so we are going to save ourselves together but now you're in a different space, as you rightly notice, with the new leadership emerging in the senate, as you said, and now with the president, how do you see this actually playing out because there are some of us who would believe, you just let it ride, the country asked for this, the country told you and you laid it out, this is what we are. so the country said, now we want more of matt gaetz and others -- >> i don't think the country new -- >> my opinion is the man has

told us everything -- >> that's why black women voted the way they did. >> i don't think anyone thought that he was going to put reasonable and responsible people, when during the course of the campaign, he told you he wasn't. how do democrats now form the kind of resistance to use that word, to what is clearly an objective to deconstruct not just the administrative state, but to upend the very aspects of the rule of law, what we see on immigration policy and how we treat other human beings. how do you do everything all at once? >> we've got to take it step-by- step. we have from now until the end of the year, we have this lame duck session and we should try

and put in as many protections as we can and we have a list of them and you know, to give people credit, a lot of people were thinking about what happens in the worst case scenario. so we do have a number of things that can be done. i want to be careful because there's a lot of things that we can't do. and it is true that a lot of things that get done through executive action between now and the end of the year will be undone but that is a barrier. it is a time barrier, and they will have to prioritize when they come in, what they want to focus on, so having time is going to be important, that's number 1. number 2, when we get into the new year, i think democrats have to really focus and we will have an opportunity with the trump tax, they want to push the trump tax scam in the spring. both that and the appropriations budgets are opportunities for us to draw a contrast if we all stick together. if we have people running over to try and be like republicans

i would just say to people who think we should be republican light on a whole bunch of things that at the end of the day, if you could have the real thing or you can have a light version, what would you pick? you'd probably pick the real thing if you are oriented in that way, and you would lose all of the people that are actually part of the democratic base or could be a part of the democratic base. i've been saying this for a long time and when i look at the numbers, that's what i see, it isn't just this election, i just went back to 2012. we are increasingly losing working people and poor people in the country because we are not delivering for them on the things that matter. >> but aren't they moving to the right? >> they are, because they feel like the system is broken and leader jeffries did a great job

of describing this in a press conference that i saw, they feel that the system is broken, and they are right. they are right. housing is too expensive, the price of stuff in the grocery stores, too high, they can't, the kids can't afford homes. the idea of even having a down payment for a home, i'm sorry, people can't afford the rent. >> it's too expensive. >> that's not just in seattle or los angeles, that's everywhere. opioids, on the streets, you know, really ravaging communities, so they feel like you know, you guys said you were the party for the working- class, it's not working and by the way, big money, campaigning with republicans and with billionaires, once again, it does impact how people think about what the contrast is.

so if you are a working-class person who just felt like your life is getting worse and worse and worse, you might just say, listen, i've been with this party my whole time, i'm going to throw it in and i'm going to try and go for the guy who's going to blow up the system. so i think there's a lot in here, it's not just one election. i don't think that we can just blame the candidate who had 104 days to get this done. i think we really have to be willing to look deeper at what has been happening over time. why didn't we raise the minimum wage when we could, we haven't raise the minimum wage, that is passing on the ballot in trump states, three states, paid sick leave, passing on the ballot in trump states and we've been saying this for some time. people will turn against other people, whether it's immigrants, whether it's whomever, when their own situation is not good. >> let's talk about that because you are right. i also want to talk about the trans community, understanding how deeply personal this is for you, you had, there was all

this emphasis in the postelection analysis about trans rights when the evidence needs to be with the second part of the ads which was, democrats are focused on this, but republicans are focused on you, and there was this sense on the part of some voters that democrats were so hyper focused on issues, i would say, i think those issues were largely accepted by republicans and that's why you had democrats talking about them but i am concerned for members of an already vulnerable community that they are now losing allies that they desperately need in these times and also, the democrats are missing what the bigger picture is, which is, the macro frame, not trans kids. >> that's exactly right. look, sherrod brown, john fetterman, both very populist people have said, this is not an either or, we don't abandon our values and go after the most vulnerable communities because we are being weaponized is let's be clear, the only

party that made this a culture war was the republican party. and of course the trans community is half of 1% of the country. so, what we have to understand is the reason that people were able to weaponized that community or the immigrant community or any other community is because people feel like nobody is paying attention to them, it's their economic means, yes, culture wars sometimes play into things, of course, a majority population doesn't like to become a minority population. so that is a challenge that is out there but that does not mean that we abandon our commitment to civil rights or simply for the ability for people to be who they are, we have to talk about this, of course, and we have to be smart about our strategy but we do not abandon the most vulnerable, what we do is go after the base problem which is, people did not feel like democrats were looking after

them, that is true. if you look at the switch from 2022 2024, trump won voters making over $100,000 in 2020. and biden lost those, okay, but biden won the voters making under $100,000. this time, harris lost voters, democratic party lost voters making under $100,000. and we won the voters making over $100,000. separate from our values of what we stand for as the democratic party because i think our brand is correct, i think people don't know what we stand for but separate from our values, let's just look at the practicality of where the population growth is. it's not in the over $100,000 category, it's in the under $100,000 category so even if

you're just looking at the separate from values which i cannot do because the democratic party is supposed to be the party of the working- class, of poor people, of government being able to lift up everybody, those are the values and if we abandon them, and there's reasons for it, the incentives in the system are to go after rich people because all of the money that's coming into politics, it makes it very hard, when you have all of that money coming in, there is this sort of decision to go after that money to fund elections which then impacts what you are willing to fight for. one of the most popular things across the country and you saw it with the ftc chair, is, taking on the big monopolies, taking on these big companies that are driving out small businesses, that are raising prices for consumers, that are making it impossible for workers to actually earn a fair share -- >> but i guess part of the post autopsy that the party needs to do is one could argue that the vice president in her 104 day campaign, she was saying that maybe how she was saying that

couldn't break through but she was saying that, one could argue though that, if you look at places across the country, democrats you know, they didn't get well the senate, it could have been much worse for democrats but they held on in many places like michigan, wisconsin well, nbc has not made a call yet in pennsylvania but senator casey's campaign feels emboldened. the economy does not exist in a vacuum this race, -- >> but this election, for me and my analysis of looking at this, you are right in that sweet spot but here's what i think happened, it was interesting that democrats did not know how to deal with this particular combo meal, you've got two things converging at once, the culture war and the

economy. and they converged in such a way that it resonated with the broke culture, it resonated with the workers across the country so it did not matter and the fact that joe biden walks the picket line with a lot of the workers, what mattered was the influence of culture on that moment as well, and this is where i think in a lot of respects, that's why the trans ad was so effective, it languished in the marketplace for a long time before there was any response. >> there was no response to the ad. >> so that solidifies the economic cultural combo in a way that those working-class voters said, not only do they not understand what i'm going through in paying my bills but also, culturally, they are doing and saying and supporting things that are antithetical to my values but not understanding

as you expressed, the humanity of why the democrats talk about these issues the way they do. >> i'm going to be quite in one second but i want to throw this on the table before you answer, not all the working-class people voted for donald trump. a lot of people just it home. >> 10 million of them stayed home. >> what about that. >> but that goes into the combo because you either vote for trump or you don't vote. >> well wait a second. i love you guys, here's the thing, this is what i said over and over again before the election. we did not try to court any of those voters. we did not show up, when i was in dearborn, michigan, two weeks before, i met the person in the trump administration who had been leading outreach for

arab voters for eight months. trump was campaigning in california and new york, and everybody was saying, that's crazy, why is he going to california and new york, you know what happened in blue states, blue state turnout went down, why do you think we lost the popular vote. a lot of the bay said you don't care about us, we don't see a contrast, you are not showing up in our communities, not just in the lead up to the election but in the last 2 to 4 years, depending on where you were, even, you know, if we had a seven state strategy and then we had a front-line district strategy, those are the two places where attention got paid, and if we are not showing up in our communities, why did sherrod brown do so well relative to the top of the ticket and why did bob casey do so well? because they've been showing up across the state, i think it's a chicken and egg thing. i've been through this culture

war things so many times, it makes me crazy, every time somebody blames it on a new population that is the culture war, at one point it was and lesbian folks, now it's trans folks, at one point it was women, it's always been immigrants, you know that, alecia , that's not the point. the point is, we have driven created a giant hole of resentment because people can't buy a house, they can't manage to work on one job, they can't send their kids to get any kind of higher education, forget about college, i'm talking about, community college, trade school, whatever people want to do, they can't do it. they don't have healthcare i mean, let's be clear, the new category of uninsured in this country is the underinsured. they've got health insurance

from a private health insurance company, and they can't afford their healthcare. so let's just take a step back and say, what have democrats done to really fight to blow up the system so that it delivers on minimum wage, on childcare, unpaid leave, on the things that somebody would wake up in the morning and say -- >> well, one could argue remember build back better? the better part got chopped up because joe manchin and then, i remember, the good congresswoman from washington state saying well, i don't think we are going to get the second part. congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you so much. we can listen to you all morning but they said we've got to do more show. >> and we've got to pull it apart because people want to focus on this moment and they want to point fingers and usually the blame comes back to progressives and young people and the base and people that didn't turn out. what are we doing to actually speak to folks. >> i'm about to be a non-party

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democrats are reassessing their messaging after many young men shifted their support to donald trump in the election. one liberal contact creator said democrats need media forms that are culturally right- leaning but not inherently political and they added we have to make entertaining, engaging content that and want to watch and care about and then overtime you pepper in more progressive views. i don't know. we had to bring back the expert at the table with us, is the cofounder of young men research initiative, aaron smith and cofounder president of hit strategies, terrance woodbury. aaron will be with us in a moment. i was telling the folks in the break before we started that the fellow at georgetown, i asked students i said tell me about the young man, i said what are the young men saying

and -- >> like you are married, miss symone. >> i'm asking for the ladies. and they said being a democrat is not cool. one guy said i'm a tim walz democrat, but i don't see myself reflected across the democratic party. so i frankly don't think that folks have to go so far to find red hats. i think there are many things happening but you all are experts, you tell us, aaron? >> first off, i don't think this is largely a policy problem. this is more about communication, the messenger, if you look at young men, they are largely progressive on a range of issues, almost 70% of them support abortion rights, the support unions, it's partially about how can we talk about the democratic agenda in a way that is more relevant to

young men, for example, raising the minimum wage, making college more affordable, supporting green jobs and apprenticeships, these are good policies for young men but we don't talk about it that way. even the affordable care act led to a huge reduction in the number of young men who had coverage but we don't talk about it that way. we have to become more comfortable talking about our agenda in a way that will resonate with young men. >> but is this an agenda question, terrence, because i appreciate what aaron was saying about this being you know, not so much on policy. but it is cultural, there's a lot of culture. so you know, we talk about the chaos voter, we have this headline, how trump's promised to break the system may have appeal to a specific 2024 voter, there are a lot of reasons that pollsters say that they back trump, crime, things

like that, what if a good number of the fans are simply chaos voters and they may not feel horribly mistreated so much as they resent what they perceive as a better treatment according to people they don't think deserve it? that sums up a lot of what we've seen in this emerging bro culture, where you know, they have this view about others, now, we can argue that that was formed by trump in some way but what say you about that piece of it because with the congresswoman, i was talking about what the democrats didn't see coming was the convergence of culture and the economy in a way that locked voters in and they could not unlock it. >> that's what trump did affectively, when we talk about the transact, we often talk about it in terms of identity politics. but he did a one-two punch, the trans ad wasn't just about trans people, it was also about trent -- trans dollars

supporting trans surgeries and immigration wasn't just about a bunch of new people in the country was about taking black dollars and using that money to pay for their groceries, that's what we heard and focus groups. i want to broaden this. you talk about the chaos voter, this puts voters into a few different groups and one of the groups is a rightfully cynical voter and they are cynical because they don't trust the system, they don't trust government, they don't like either party, remember that, that's important, but the reason they are rightfully cynical is because they are closest, the lowest per capital income, lowest educational attainment and that's where a lot of these men are concentrated and what are they attracted to? not defending the system they think is right, they are attracted to blowing up the

system and attracted to disrupting the system and that's why it's not that crazy to see this group of voters go from supporting bernie sanders to supporting donald trump because they are supporting a disruptor that wants to blow up the system that they think is rigged against them. >> you guys are going to stay with us and we will continue this discussion after a very quick break. you are watching the weekend.

i think the facts speak for themselves. we have a lot of reasons that will explain why democrats fell

a few seats short but what has been consistently made clear is that we over performed and we have to do a better job in making it clear to the american people that as house democrats, we are focused on making the lives of hard-working american taxpayers better. >> all right, aaron smith, and terrance woodbury are back with us. i just want to throw it on the table, i heard from some of the very fancy political streets that bro culture was actually like, the term was, is the bro culture, is it a backlash that

is talking about bro culture? >> i don't think i'm a part of the bro culture but there is a sphere where there are conversations happening, they are not happening in mainstream media, about masculinity, about, i get these text from my dad and whatsapp group about how we are eating things that is reducing our masculinity, i promise, it's not because i ate avocados. there is an environment that is happening and when we get there we are going to have to have a different conversation and some of these conversations are complicated. we talk about reclaiming values like masculinity and spirituality, what does masculinity look like in the democratic party? >> see that's the problem, so, i think you jumped on a false narrative, it's not about what masculinity looks like in a political party, it's about our

culture, what does it mean for a young man to grow into a father, to grow into a productive member of our community, so this bro culture bs is the psychological game with young men telling them, that they've got to have a particular attitude about women, they've got to look at situations you know, through this lens where, you know, josh hawley and others, we are going to shine some light on our groin and become more men, what the hell are we talking about pay >> we asked what was it like to be a man, number 1 was detecting her family and number 2 was honesty. there's 25 million young men and i would not put them all in a box -- >> so you voted for someone who in terms of protecting the family is going to break up families and in terms of being

honest, hello? we are talking about donald trump here. >> that's my point, there are young men who voted for kamala harris who have concerns about feminism and young men who voted for donald trump who support abortion rights, this is this true swing group, you know, 7 million of them voted for joe biden in 2020 and they can go back but we have to speak to them and realize that they are not fitting into these boxes that we are used to. >> after the election you had a briefing and your researchers said two things i've been thinking about, one is people say, who listens to three hours of joe rogan, people who stock groceries, people who drive trucks, but also the idea that democrats are so focused on a policy and the messaging and that is one piece of things and that is for the party to contend with but what the researcher said so long as whatever the policy and the message is, as long as that's

being filtered through the kaleidoscope of the media that folks are consuming, not just young men, just the powerful media force, they will find a way to say, the message from democrats is not for you, the policy is not for you, so there's also from an infrastructure perspective in the progressive space, someone has to deal with the kaleidoscope either but penetrating the kaleidoscope or by saying, here's alternate forms of media. yeah, it's fun and it's entertaining and we talk about culture and we don't jam the vegetables into your mouth, we understand you are a full person with a full life and we can talk to you that way. >> that's the avocado. >> if you go to the democratic party's website right now, they have a page on who we serve and it was 16 different groups, women, seniors, rural americans , one group that's not mentioned is men, and i don't think that the democratic leaders are saying, we are not for men but the message is getting across, if you look at dollars spent, donald trump in

his campaign outspent democrats 4 to 1 in terms of online ads targeting young men, 10 to 1 in swing states. there's clearly an investment problem and we need to start thinking about the distribution channels, how do we actually get through the kaleidoscope and get those messages that we want to young men. >> part of my concern is not just that the democratic, what you call the democratic message is that it's not for young men, but far too often they are seeing that those men are not for us, the partisan, the progressive puritanism, i tell people all the time in my household, my father is the head of household and my mother agreed with that. that in a culture that has raised men to believe that men are head of household, when they have questions about a woman as president, it doesn't mean that they no longer are a voter and you have to engage in a tough conversation about why gender roles are evolving, why the country is evolving, it's the same thing obama did in

2008, he didn't tell everyone person who had bias, you are not my voter, he engaged them about a conversation about his grandmother how how his grandmother held bias, too. we are rejecting these men who have opinions that are different than us and who don't hold our progressive puritanism and we are telling them they are no longer our voter. we don't want you here if you don't lead with your pronouns. we don't want you here if you don't believe that a woman should be present as opposed to, our country is evolving and you have a role in it. >> one thing that obama did was that he showed up everywhere, i saw him at world wrestling events, and he would talk to anyone, and he had that approach. i think we need to do a better job of listening to what is going on, online and what young men are saying. this is a rapidly changing landscape. the world in 2026 or 2028 could look different and the first time voters, they are in high school right now.

we need to be prepared, it's not just the battle we are fighting right now, it's keeping our eye on what is going on so we understand what is coming. >> i think this head of household piece that you hit on and you and aaron are dovetailing, i really think there is something there. y'all remember, the weekend before the election, governor moore came on the show and he talked about, men need to stand up for their household, and that is how he framed it. he framed it as if you are a man and the head of the household, these are the things that i'm talking to men about, and what i've heard is that some voters felt that may be the language that was used to speak about men and men in this election was condescending like let's talk to the men, and maybe we all need to rethink it but i think when i talk to folks and they say people just didn't want to vote for a woman, what you are saying is right, in a culture where young men and boys, when they said i don't know if a woman can be present, we can't write that

off. it's painful because it's like your mama raised you but you don't think she can be president, now you don't want a woman running the country, it's painful but you've got to have those conversations. >> these will be painful conversations but there's a way to hold our progressive values, right, hold our progressive values and message them through these types of lenses. as the head of my household, it's incumbent upon me to protect my family from a government that tells my wife or daughter who they can and cannot be, if god grants everyone freedom of choice then why should the government grant my daughter any less than that, that's a religious lens, masculine lens, we can do both. >> i couldn't agree more, and smith, terrance woodbury, thank you both for coming and spending time at the table. i really appreciate you.

much more still ahead folks, on the weekend, i'm going to take that gospel and mull it over for just a little bit.

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i gave myself a splinter. >> are you okay? see, i really like that last conversation. i felt like we did more work adding to the crux of the issue than half of these people the democratic apparatus is paying. >> it's funny but it's true because a lot of people spend a lot of money doing stuff, the rnc did a, they spent over million dollars to do an autopsy for how things collapsed in 2012 for them, and you know, i would say, you walked away

from what i was doing but we can have that conversation, too. >> we will lead with that tomorrow. >> but the reality is once they did after all of the soul- searching and writing it all down and putting it on paper, donald trump came down the golden stairs and crapped all over it and the party did nothing about it. the question becomes, who will be doing this autopsy and what is the intent of the autopsy, are you trying to get at the root of what we were just talking about it and how do we level that a politically, and operationally, or are you just posing into thinking you will get through the next election and whatever is produced you will revert back to the same old same old. >> i think there are some people who got paid that still need to answer some questions that i'm not talking, i'm talking about the operatives that worked at the highest levels of the vice president's campaign, okay? the dnc is in the black, i'm told, the campaign is in the red, so people want to blame jamie harrison, in a presidential campaign that

campaign is in charge, they are in charge of the cash flow and the money and the strategy, the dnc can only do so much but obviously jamie harrison did what he needed to do. they will elect a new dnc chair and have robust conversations. i think some of what we discussed needs to be a part of the discussion. i'm thinking about the young women that we talked to in the mail shop, people are rightfully cynical, and so instead of telling them that they don't understand the experience, how about we meet them where they are, maybe i'm crazy but i still go to costco. >> that rightfully cynical voter is created by the political structure. it's created by the party itself and that is a big part of it. >> coming up next, legendary author jodi pico joins velshi and the fight to save books, you don't want to miss it.

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