thanks for joining us this hour, i'm really happy to have you ever heard the last time donald trump was president of

the united states his secretary of the interior not embroiled in a corruption scandal and was referred to the u.s. department of justice for potential criminal prosecution. the last time donald trump was president his secretary of transportation also got embroiled in a corruption scandal and was referred to the department of justice for potential criminal prosecution. the last time donald trump was president he is secretary of labor got embroiled in a disgusting scandal involving convicted pedophile jeffrey epstein. a federal judge ruled trump's labor secretary had broken the law in that scandal and so was referred to the professional-- ended up resigning in disgrace. donald trump's secretary of energy resigned in a corruption and ethics scandal. he's head of the epa resigned in a corruption ethics scandal. donald trump's health and human

services secretary resigned in a corruption and ethics scandal. anyone of these cases is like a teapot dome -sized scandal. if you had one cabinet official involved in a big ethics and/or corruption scandal that forced them out of the job or lead them to you now, to being referred for criminal prosecution even if he just had one that would be enough to render whole presidency a disgraced and scandal-ridden mistake. i mean-- warren g. harding. what do we remember? maybe three things. a, died in office, b, had an affair, see? teapot dome scandal. literally a century after that one scandal involving one cabinet official, that's basically all

we remember about that guy's presidency, because what i just said, warren g. harding had an affair, you didn't remember that. we all remember that one scandal, because it led to a cabinet official getting in trouble. one cabinet official getting in trouble and that kind of a corruption scandal. used to be enough to mar your presidency and brand it alone for century. the first donald trump presidential term had so many cabinet officials forced out of office in disgrace and referred to the justice department to face criminal charges, it's actually hard to remember them all. and of course just one of the scandals of the trump administration is that despite an unprecedented number of cabinet officials being referred to the justice department for potential prosecution the supposedly independent department of justice under donald trump decided to bring criminal charges against precisely none of them. which is yet another of the

trump scandals from his first term. but still-- i will also mention that one of the more memorable disasters, ethical disasters along these lines from the first trump term was his secretary of veterans affairs, and this one might be the most memorable, because it happened right at the end. i remember the headline about on our show blog, it was "december 10th, 2020, this is after trump lost re-election to joe biden, but before the january 6th attack on congress before the inauguration. the december 10th 2020 but this was the headline, "yet another trump cabinet secretary caught up in scandal-- as donald trump office presidency comes to an end it's purely not too late for one more cabinet controversy." secretary of veterans affairs, and he like so many of his colleagues in the trump cabinet, he too was referred to the justice department for

potential prosecution. an investigation happened and claimed he had tried to discredit a veteran who said she had been sexually assaulted at a va facility. the inspector general investigated this allegation, found evidence that he seemed to have broken the law, they referred him to doj to be prosecuted, and of course the trump justice department did not prosecute him they didn't prosecute any of these guys. but one of the things that was really memorable about his scandal is that more than 20 different veterans groups rose up in outrage against that guy, and these were disparate groups with many different views, to the veterans of foreign wars, they all demanded this trump va secretary resign or be fired, even a really really conservative pro-trump veterans group just railed against this guy. for that scandal he was embroiled in. it was just a disaster. it was a sign that even right

up to the very bitter and ultimately very violent end of trump's term in office things were just bad. it was a bad presidential term. it is not normal to have a half- dozen members of the cabinet referred for potential criminal prosecution for crimes they allegedly committed while they were serving in the cabinet. it's not normal. that is the kind of thing that gets you listed repeatedly as the worst or among the worst u.s. presidents in history when historians and scholars are surveyed about these things. right? that is why trump is considered by experts in the field to be, if not the worst, then certainly one of the worst presidents in the history of the united states. i am sorry, warren g. harding, it just wasn't good. today is veterans day, happy veterans day, veterans day is a celebratory day not to be confused with memorial day,

which is a very somber occasion. memorial day we remember servicemembers who gave their lives for our country. veterans day is a happy day, it is a celebration of our nation's veterans, a time to say thank you and just to pay some attention to their service and their pride in their service, basically as a country veterans day is a day to lift up our service members and veterans. and i therefore try not to do bummer veterans news on veterans day, but today the news is that donald trump for his second presidential term has brought back that guy, that last cabinet official the last scandal, the guy who was referred for criminal prosecution right at the end of trump off his first term in office after a scandal-ridden tenure at the va. and this time trump has brought that guy back to lead trumpet transition efforts for the entire military, for the entire

defense department. former va secretary who was referred to the justice department for criminal prosecution at the end of his term, to lead trump's pentagon transition efforts, at a time when the united states of america is looking to the u.s. military for assurances that they won't deploy against american civilians the way trump has threatened he would order them to do. the guy who is charged with staffing up the defense department leadership making sure we have all the best most ethical people there, it's the guy who left office last time under trump while his possible criminal conduct was under investigation by federal prosecutors. good times. there's been a flurry of announcements and news about trump staffing up for his second term in the last 24 hours. he really is bringing back that guy to choose the staff and leadership of the u.s. defense

department. it's just been reported by the new york times that florida republican senator marco rubio, who once memorably cast dispersions on the size of donald trump office at a debate is the first to report senator marco rubio will be donald trump off his choice for secretary of state . nbc news has actually just confirmed that news as well just in the last couple moments, it's on the front page of the new york times as we speak, marco rubio, the expected choice by donald trump to be his secretary of state. we did learn for sure this evening trump is choosing for his national security adviser another republican member of congress, grossman mike waltz of florida did after congressman walt helped in the effort to try and overthrow the u.s. government and keep trump in power after he lost re- election in 2020 you might remember this was an amazing florida story. you might remember a very unusual apology being published by congressman

walt's's hometown paper, the orlando sentinel. it was an apology to their readers for having endorsed mike waltz for re-election. they apologized for having endorsed him after he tried to help trump overthrow the government. mike waltz is also distinguished himself by claiming trump was not responsible for january 6th. he also proposed dulles airport should be renamed trump airport. so, clearly congressman mike waltz has checked all the boxes that he needs to to be national security adviser in a second trump presidential term. today we also learned that tom holman will be in a job trumpet is apparently calling order czar , that they used to maintain was evidence of communism to call anyone the czar of anything in the u.s. government . but tom holman will be trump's border czar.

he is the architect of the policy that had the u.s. government deliberately and systematically taking kids away from their parents and not giving them back. he also spent this period while trump has been out of office on storming the country bragging about how he is going to be the man who will mercilessly come after immigrants if and when trump gets back into power. >> is there a way to carry out transportation without separating families? >> of course there is-- families can be deported together. they ain't seen [ bleep ] yet wait till 2025 two trump goes back in january i'll be on his heel coming back, and i will run the biggest deportation operation this country has seen. i'm sick and tired of hearing of the family separation. come get me, i don't give a [ bleep ]. i don't give a [ bleep ] what anybody says trump comes back, i come back. back.

and i will run the biggest partition operation this country has ever seen. >> that last appearance there is worth pointing out was tom homan appointed to be trump off his border czar for the second term, that was him speaking at the rod of iron festival which was a quasireligious vent event held by sort of a cold group-- this is their leader, this is a group that literally worships assault rifles and their demigod leader, who literally wears a crown that is made out of bullets. that cult event is the kind of event that tom homan has been speaking at this. talking about mass deportations and how he will run that when trump is back in office.

here's what i want to highlight. this is tom homan doing a friendly long radio show , fairly regular for him content -wise. this is the guy whose show he just to be on. this is the environment tom homan has been swimming in before being named today to be trump's border czar. >> when you look at what happened under the attacks of 911 again all coming out of the same group of people that has done a very good job at hiding under the religion of judaism. they use judaism as a cover for what they are really doing. i am sure they helped engineer the takedown of hitler. things that i see, it just makes me shake my head after what they've programmed us abscess people are going to learn a lot about world war ii and hitler and the nazis, hitler was fighting the same people we are trying to take today. >> they are going to and hitler was fighting the same people--

that we are trying to take down today-- these people, who are using judaism as a cover for what they are really doing, and look at 9/11, look at judaism and 9/11. what? this is the company that tom homan has been keeping. and the kinds of places where he has been making appearances over the past few years. while trump has been out of office that's where tom homan has been promising mass deportations and cams to hold millions of people in this country. trump today announced he is in fact bringing tom homan in the government to head mass deportations. trump has also put in charge of policy planning for the transition the other architect of the family separation policy the policy of taking kids away from their families and not giving them back. the whole second term trump plan to build mass camps in the united states for the military to hold millions of people inside our own borders, that idea developed by stephen

miller. we learned today he will be deputy chief of policy in the trump white house and according to the new york times he will be in charge of all policy matters for the transition, and we know what his priorities are and he will be setting priority policies for what the trump administration will do on day one. to anybody who is telling you this is going to be an all- moderate or normal in terms of what they are going to do, that person is living on a nice plan i would like to visit some time, but it's not our planet here. any expectations that the most extreme things trump talked about during the campaign and during his time out of office, that those were just talking normal people will come into his demonstration to do normal things-- that wishful thinking has not survived this first monday since the election. it is better to be clear eyed about these things and to see them coming than to be in denial or be surprised by them when they come around. and to that end i think there

is one other thing that is worth watching here, worth putting up a flag on this. just in terms of thinking about you know, not just policy choices, not just personnel choices, but the preservation of our system of government. because, a president honestly can appoint pretty much anyone he wants to any position he wants, right it's ridiculous trump in his first term in office had tons of cabinet officials who were involved in corruption scandals and even referred for criminal prosecution. it is insane that he gave his son-in-law a white house job and then gave him a security clearance even though he failed the background check and that same son-in-law walked away from the white house at the end with $2 billion from saudi arabia in his pockets. it's all crazy. but, legally, a president can put anyone he wants in the white house, basically. he is free to make terrible decisions along those lines, and we have seen him do it before. he is free to make the worst possible decisions about who to bring into the white house.

that's what the american people voted for. congratulations, that is what we will get. also, what the advice and consent of the senate he can put anyone he wants into high positions at large. but come on that point, you may have seen that trump put out a statement online insisting that even though he is not in control yet, even though the democrats control the white house, president joe biden is still president joe biden, even though democrats have a majority in the senate, still, trump insisting this weekend that the democrats should not be allowed to confirm anyone, including any biden-appointed judges over these 2.5 months before trump is actually sworn in as president. and as an assertion for that's nuts. you are not president now, my guy. and republicans do not control the senate right now, so you and republicans have no control, no say over the biden and the democrats choose to pass

more confirmations before you take power. you don't get a say in that, you are not in paris at. and to be clear, after biden won the 2020 election, and democrats won the senate at the same time, when the republicans were on their way out of power and they knew it, they had many confirmations. they confirmed at least 32 people in that time period after the 2020 election. everything from surface transportation board to state department, to the federal reserve, the doj, tennessee valley authority-- they confirmed more than 30 people to jobs like that after biden and the democrats won the 2020 election, but before trump and republicans had left town and handed over power. just in that time period the republicans after the 2020 election, but before biden's inauguration the republicans in congress when they weren't helping trump with his effort to overthrow the government by force and stay in power thanks to an angry armed mob attacking congress, when they went with that they were

busy confirming trump judges did after the election, after trump lost the election but before biden was sworn in-- district court judges, tons of federal judges including eileen cannon who proceeded to throw out what looked like an open and shut criminal case about trump illegally hoarding and mishandling classified documents in which he hid in his bathroom amongst other places at mar-a-lago. they confirmed tons of people after they lost the election in 2020 before the democrats came into power at the end of january, 2025. the idea it would be somehow improper now for the democrats to do the same thing for the democrats to spend this next 2 1/2 months confirming biden nominees including judges, say that there is something wrong, that republicans can stop that is just an absurd suggestion. republicans confirmed people at

great speed after they lost power in 2020, democrats will do so presumably with equivalent speed right now after they lost this election. the white house at least said they would do so today in a statement brushing trump back, telling him to back off his threats to try and stop these confirmations even before he is back in power. here is the thing i want to point to hear. along with that absurd bluster from trump where he's trying to pretend he's already in power, telling democrats to behave, as if trump is already present, and republicans are to control the senate, which they don't. aside from that which is pushing it, big guy-- trump said one other thing about confirming people for positions in the government. he said he wants the new senate to go into recess when they are sworn in, in january. he wants them to recess, to leave town, so that there is no senate in session to confirm his nominees for the new

administration. on the surface level you might think this makes no sense. republicans will control the senate when they are in january. it's not like they are known for get their independence and willingness to buck trump's wishes. no matter who trump wants to appoint the republicans are going to prevent when he asks for. you think they are going to be offended? someone like tom homan? he's been spending time with the jews did 9/11 guy. you think republicans are going to have a problem with that really? he will help.appoint his nominees. so why is he telling the senate to shut down so they can't vote to confirm his appointees? why is he doing that? he is doing that so the senate won't have to vote to confirm his appointees. if the senate is in recess he

can make recess appointments, he can just install people in their positions without the senate ever voting for them. even though the senate would definitely vote for them if they took a vote. he is telling the united states senate to shut itself down, so he can operate independently, and on his own, even though they have no intention of stopping him, he doesn't even want to give them a say. i draw your attention to this, because of all the discussions we have had as a country about trump's dictator on day one promises, his authoritarian values and promises and threats . one of the things that has not been talked about very much is that we have a three-part system of government. the judicial, legislative, and executive could we have a three- part system of government. but, what's the first rule of

authoritarianism? it's that there is one guy in charge. it's that there can be no other source of authority in the government other than the dear leader. so if there has to be a congress, well it certainly should be a congress with any power. it shouldn't be a congress that has any role in governing. frankly same thing for the cards, right? this is something i've been trying to raise flags about in advance. sometimes you can see things are getting traction or are not getting traction. this isn't getting traction, but i'm going to keep saying it, because we are already seeing it. watch for moves early on to consolidate power for him, not just within the executive branch, which they are obviously doing it? this whole thing about firing civil service, all the career government employees, what's that about?

consolidating the executive branch, so there's no source of authority and no directive force in the executive branch at all other than the president, himself. that is about consolidating the power of the executive branch. but, also look to him to hollow out, to sideline the other two branches of government. the legislature, meaning the congress, and the judiciary. trump does not fear being constrained by this iteration of congress especially if republicans take the house as well. trump does not fear being all that constrained with courts, not with chief justice roberts on this supreme court. he does not feel constrained, he has them both on choke chains frankly. but, it is important to any would be authoritarian to not just have the obedience of other portions of the government, he needs to have their subservience, too. it must be that other portions of that government cannot matter, only he can matter. there can't be three coequal

branches of government, there can be one man who is the government, and everything else is subservient to him. and on this point amid everything else we are learning about this transition, and oh boy there is more to learn about it, we will talk about at this hour. but everything else we are learning about this transition, he is demanding the u.s. senate shut itself down for him. even though it's going to be controlled by republicans. there is no rational reason why he should not want the united states senate to confirm his appointees unless he doesn't want the senate to have that kind of job. he doesn't want the senate or the congress to have any job, frankly. the state, that's me. authoritarian governance means only one person matters, and the rest of the government is just decoration. we are watching for that from him about the courts we are already seeing it from him about what he is demanding from the congress. heads up. lots to get to this hour.

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donald trump's first-- or member it is a time and bipartisanship flourished, but there were some exceptions. in 2019, the pretty hard right republican senator johnson teamed up with a group of democrats including progressive massachusetts senator lisbeth warren to cosponsor a legitimately bipartisan bill that was called the presidential transition enhancement act. the main purpose was try to smooth out the properties process from one president to the next and handle possible conflicts of interest. among other things the bill required candidates to devise an ethics plan, an "agreement that the eligible candidate will implement and enforce an ethics plan to guide the conduct of the transition to" that

bipartisan good government reform bill passed the senate by unanimous consent, not a single senator opposed it. the bill then passed the house of representatives on a voice vote. again no opposition. and in march, 2020, on super tuesday in fact, donald trump signed it into law. and despite what you are thinking, which is what? donald trump signed an ethics law? [ laughter ] it was not that much of a surprise of the time she republicans were involved in crafting legislation, it was a unanimous passage through the house and the senate. also company's own team said they were things about the transition process that they did not like either, which they thought this bill would fix. so, trump signed it. bipartisan reform of the presidential transition team crafted in part by pro trump members of congress, signed in 2020, well now, it's transition time again, time to put it all in place so now naturally, here

is the lead from "the new york times." "president-elect donald j. trump has not yet submitted a legally required ethics pledge stating that he will avoid conflict of interest and other ethical concerns while in office raising concerns that his refusal to do so will hamper the smooth transition to power." and yes, this is the very same ethics pledge from the bipartisan bill that trump, himself, signed into law. he is not signing it. he is apparently ignoring all the requirements of that law, including according to "the new york times," blowing through the september 1st deadline to sign the transition agreement with the general services administration. why is that important? well, that provides for a variety of services made available to the president- elect, including $7 million in funding for the cost of the transition, the-- also puts a $5000 cap on the individual donations to the transition and requires the public disclosure of all its donors.

trump evasively faces no limit on contributions and does not need to name his donors publicly. and here's the best part. money raised by the transition is not regulated by any other government agency. so, not to bottom-line this too bluntly, but what this means is that trump in the transition appears to be setting himself up to take unlimited funds from anywhere, he does not have to disclose where it's from, and he can use the money for any purpose with no oversight. what could possibly go wrong? would you like to pay a bribe to the president-elect? do you know where the mail slot is that is marked "transition office?" joining us now is ken bensinger, for the new york times, he broke this story, and i really appreciate you joining us. thank you, rachel. i want to ask you about the potential ethics and corruption concern, but i also want to ask about whether this hold up means that there isn't a

transition happening, that the literal transition to a new government, in which the president-elect and his team get into the agencies and start learning what's there and what needs to be done, start saying where their desks and filing cabinets are-- none of that can happen in addition to some of these concerns about money, right? >> yeah, that's right, until the proper agreements are signed, and until the ethics plan is submitted, the biden administration can legally prohibit it from opening any of its doors, opening its files, even providing national security briefings to the trump transition, so it's like a total wall. they can't give anything, and they are not going to break that law, at least so far they said they haven't paid the trump transition has seen nothing, the things you normally have, people getting access to different agencies, sharing of files, people so they have days to prepare to take over the federal government is simply

totally not happening, and is because of the refusal to sign the agreement it was required in september and october, and provide the ethics plan that conforms two to federal law. suspect this may be unanswerable, but is it your sense from your reporting that they intend to sign those pledges, so that the transition can go ahead? or, is it your sense they do not intend to sign those pledges and don't intend to have a transition, they just intend to show up on january 20th? >> so one thing is my sense, and what they have been saying to me and others. that of course they will sign all the necessary agreements, and that they are going to get it done. they first told me that in early october, that they were going to do it, and of course it's now more than a month since i had a conversation, and i haven't signed anything. people inside the federal government are saying they've made no progress in getting them to sign anything. the fact

of the matter is that the one agreement with the general services administration that you mentioned probably could never get signed, and it wouldn't hinder the transition as much as the other one which is crucial. with the white house, that's the one that sets the guidelines for providing access to the agencies which sets up a national security briefing that allows the transition to happen. if that is not signed we are looking at a situation where trump and all of his appointees and all the people he wants to work in his new administration would have to walk into 400 plus federal agencies on gender 20th with no prior preparation. people who follow these things that raise them a lot, because they believe the moment where any administration at any time the u.s. government is most vulnerable is in transition moments. if there was risk of a foreign attack or foreign cyber espionage-- anything like that, it will happen in the transition moments. and we are looking at a situation where

the new incoming trump administration would have zero operation, they would be coming in completely cold. that metaphor i think is like taking the final exam without ever having gone to class. >> i am trying not to use words like final, even in metaphors these days, but it seems like an appropriate use in this contest, ben, ken bensinger, thank you so much for your time. much more ahead. stay with us. ay with us. get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. step back out there with fasenra. ask your doctor if it's right for you.

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for over 30 years the most prominent human rights organization in russia was an organization called memorial. the purpose of memorial was to memorialize and tell the stories of the oppression and the bloodshed of the stalin era. it was one of the most important repositories of information about the brutal past of the soviet union. memorial, the organization won the nobel peace prize in 2022. stories about the russian government doing bad things, even doing bad things decades ago, those are not stories that vladimir putin likes, and of course one of the hallmarks of authoritarian rule is that there can't be sources of information that compete with the dictator. so, three years ago put in's government shut down memorial. they labeled memorialize a foreign agent, which was a quick hop step and a jump to that kremlin to ordering the

group to be liquidated altogether. another branch that focused on present-day human rights were accused of supporting terrorism and got shut down as well. putin's government also shut down the anticorruption movement led by opposition leader alexey navalny, labeling it and it end extremist organization equivalent to al qaeda. authoritarian drift, leaders giving themselves wide powers to shutdown civil society groups and media outlets, and the easiest way to do that is to clear some kind of emergency. the second easiest way to do that is to label groups you don't like is terrorists, or as out of some nefarious outside influence. today with 70 days to go until donald trump is warranted as a second time for president this is probably not a great time for the united states congress to be considering a bill that would willingly handover to the

executive branch new, wide latitude to unilaterally declare nongovernmental organizations and media outlets to be terroristic. and that appears to be the plan in the house of representatives. republican leaders tomorrow are expected to fast-track a bill that would allow the secretary of the treasury, whoever trump appoints to that role to essentially shut down any nonprofit organization in the country that he or she declares to be a terrorist supporting organization. the aclu has joined over 120 difference human rights much irritable, and join against this bill. end earlier version of this bill got overwhelming support from almost every republican and democrat in the house of representatives. now with a trump administration on the horizon this bill presumably looks very different to members of congress who have

their eyes open. one democrat who didn't oppose this bill now tells the intercept that he will likely vote against it this time. again this is expected to be voted on in the house tomorrow. even if the bill passes the house there's no reason to expect the senate will take it up as long as the senate is controlled by democrats. democrats obviously have a lot of other priorities in the last days before trump takes office. but, if you are worried about trump off his stated desire to go after those he considers to be his enemies, and you are looking for ways the legislative branch of government could not help facilitate that tomorrow is a pretty good place to start. hold that thought. (♪♪) evan, my guy! you're helping them with savings, right? (♪♪) i wish i had someone like evan when i started. somebody just got their first debit card! ice cream on you? ooo, tacos! i got you.

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republicans in the house are fast-tracking a bill. they are excited to bring it up tomorrow, which would allow the trump administration to essentially shut down any nonprofit organization in the country by declaring that nonprofit to be a "terrorist- supporting organization." joining us now from indivisible, one of the groups trying to marshal opposition to the bill, from a congressional staffer, cofounder of the indivisible movement in 2016, you know indivisible from their successful organizing against the trump administration the first time around including heroic and successful organizing the save obamacare. today with a second trump term on the horizon on capitol hill meeting with lawmakers he's actively involved in writing a new indivisible guide, an instruction manual for indivisible, a specific brand

of grouse grassroots efforts. thank you very much for being here tonight. >> great to talk with you, rachel. >> along with the aclu and other civil society groups that are calling on congress to reject this bill, what seems important to you >> i don't know why on the first day that congress comes back into session after donald trump wins the election that you would have democrats in congress voting to give him more power to go after his enemies. that is bonkers to me, and i think it's a real test to see if democrats in this new trump era are willing to fight back. >> in terms of the indivisible approach to organizing we had to go back in time now, ezra. and, i want to ask you sort of

nutshell the indivisible philosophy to that kind of practical locally-based grass roots organizing i described in the intro, how you developed it in 2017 in the wake of trump being elected the first time and whether or not the ethos guides what you are doing today. >> look, trump wants to think that he is all-powerful, and he wants you and everyone else to think he is all-powerful, but i'm sorry, rachel, for the time being at least we still live in a federated national democratic republic. in that democratic republic we have congress, and we have got 50 state publics where there are 19,000 villages and cities, and towns, and unincorporated areas where 335 million americans live and vote for hundreds of thousands of elected officials. every single drop of political power flows from the people. and it does not flow to donald

trump. it flows through the local level, and the state level, and the national level, but it's geographically based. the key inside the visible guide did not come from us, it came from years of organizing on the left and the right. we saw the tea party do this, what they were committed folks do was focus on their local area, where they live, get folks together, organize them, and focus on your elected officials, whether they are city elected officials, county elected officials, state elected officials, or federal elected officials, and in this moment where you have donald trump and what looks like a republican trifecta coming after us using a slim election margin to justify a deeply unpopular policy in this moment, what we have the power to do is to organize locally until our elected officials just say no, fight back, do not give this guy power that he does not have. that's what we did in 2017 and 2018 as you said to save obamacare, and also to build the largest midterm margins in

the 2018 and take back the house. >> ezra, the election results this time around didn't land with the same shock value as they did in 2016 after trump had been elected once i think everybody implicitly knew that it could at least theoretically happen again. but, i wanted to ask what you are hearing from indivisible members, and what you are hearing from people who may be interested in joining indivisible groups around the country. you have not put out any official call for people to form new indivisible groups and collectively organize in any way, but i wonder what you are hearing just in this first week in terms of people's enthusiasm for doing the kind of work they are talking about. >> yeah, so rachel, it's been a week, and we put out the original indivisible guide in mid december.

and gosh it's been a few hours, it's been a few days now where are the massive crowds, where is the resistance? here's what i have seen talking to folks around the country i joined statewide indivisible groups in georgia this weekend, and they did a little poll, they asked members how are you feeling right now two what are you going through? folks are feeling everything, anger, scared, but the number- one response from the georgia individual indivisible groups said determined. we saw 11,000 of our members join it the day after the election, then we joined with move on and working families party and others to hold a nationwide call the next day hundred 50,000 people joined. we have not yet put out a new guide. it will be coming out wednesday, but the number-one thing we will be calling them folks to do is gather in your communities. visit invisible.org. check it out, reach out to friends and family members and start talking about what you are going to do in this moment like that. >> ezra 11, cofounder of indivisible, indivisible.org,

keep us posted. we will be talking to you in the weeks ahead i am sure of it. >> looking forward to it, rachel. thanks. >> we'll be right back.

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