>> sure. >> and, you know, right now we could all use a little bit of diversion as well and it's nice to be able to come into the theater and laugh, forget about some of the things going on in the outside world for a little while, but then also, you know, have your perspective changed to have you think a little bit differently about what's going on in our country today. >> "yellow face" playing now through november 24th at the. >> tom: tom haimes theater. it's great to have you on the show this morning. >> and that's it for us. tune in tomorrow morning for a brand-new week of "morning joe." until then try to enjoy the rest of your weekend. weekend. good morning, it's saturday, november 17th.

today, new details about the sexual assault allegations against trump's defense secretary pick. the purge likely coming at the pentagon. what we can expect from jack smith before he resigns and the bombshells we could still learn. then it's freshman orientation for newly elected members of the house. grab your coffee. settle in. welcome to "the weekend." ♪♪ breaking overnight. "the washington post" has new reporting on the sexual assault allegation against pete hegseth. "the post" says he paid a woman but he maintains it was

consensual. his lawyer told nbc news his client is innocent, claiming the accuser was the aggressor and that she later extorted him for money. several outlets report trump officials are drawing up a list of military officers to fire. moments ago, because there's not a lack of news today, nbc news reported that the current and former senior justice departments have begun reaching out to lawyers incriminally invd by the trump administration. joining us now is eddie glaude and chuck rocha. >> good morning to you both. welcome to the table this fine sunday morning.

eddie, let me get this straight. we have several of donald trump's nominees who have sexual predation clouds over their heads. we have a group inside the administration that's forming planning to go after long-serving men and women of our military who did their jobs, looking to court-martial them because why the hell not, and you have the administration -- this new administration saying, you know what? we don't need fbi investigations for some of our people because that's so cumbersome. the doj, fbi officials, the transition, all of this is signaling a direction for this country which -- i will admit -- i don't understand why people didn't see this coming because donald trump told us we would be

here. how do you explain to people now what they are witnessing? do we just sort -- this is just the process? is there something deeper here the country should be concerned about? >> i agree with you. it's great to be here this morning. birds of a feather flock together. that's the way we explain the sexual perd redation. it's important to understand there are two things happening at once here. one is an effort to consolidate executive power. the other is in some ways a pursuit of the deconstruction of the administrative state. these two things will come together. what does it mean? we need to prepare ourselves. we know this is going to happen. this is the imperial presidency on steroids. what we're going to see is those who are committed to the constitution versus those who are committed to donald trump. we need to understand that's

going to play itself out in agencies and departments and particularly in the military and policing agencies, precisely because of donald trump's own past and his desire for revenge. you combine that effort -- remember, consolidate cutive power, imperial presidency open steroids, combine that with the effort to deconstruct the administrative state. it's broken that is the ambition. that is to say, gum matters up so things can move to the states. that's what we can see. we are seeing the convergence of these two things. >> chuck, there are people who understandably have tuned out after this election. a lot of this is flying under the radar for them. all of these appointments, they're a test for senate republicans.

which is why some might like to see this done by recess appointment. they don't have to be on record taking a vote. how do democrats hold them responsible for the folks they are going to allow at the highest levels of government? >> i think it's the most important part of the conversation. they didn't vote for this kind of chaos. they may have voted for donald trump. but in every focus group, they voter for lower prices. it was never about the confusion. let's talk about this in totality. in my cabinet at the house, i got dishes in one thing, drinks in another, bourbon in a special cabinet. >> always a special cabinet. >> this is more like my junk drawer. all the broken things are in there. the american people will see that. that's not what they voted for. >> you know, as we were talking about this this morning, before the show started, and reading through the new reporting, in my mind i'm thinking, some people

might hear this if it gets to their social media feed or whatnot or if they are watching now and say hmm, they may feel like it's a lot and others say, why does this matter now? i think it matters because who the president puts in positions of power, it matters. it matters if they believe in treating people well, in adhering to the rule of law. i guess, you know, donald trump has appointed them. the rule of law isn't the first thing they are concerned about. >> i think that's absolutely right. how is he going to deploy the justice department in pursuit of his enemies? if we think about who he will put over the defense of the department of defense. will they allow him to deploy troops on domestic soil? when we think about who he will put over the department of education, will they in some ways accelerate the efforts to de-fund the department of education?

in all of the appointments we have to think about the way in which they will be a part of an agenda aimed at in some ways to my mind destabilizing the republic, undermining basic democratic principles. if people think this doesn't matter, they are -- i was about to say something i shouldn't say. they will mess around and find out. >> the understanding thing is the underlying politics to this, chuck. you and i are party guys. we understand some of this from a slightly different level. we kind of get how the pieces move on the board. there's an interesting note on "the bulwark" who says as trump began formulating a person he wanted atop the doa and drawn to matt gaetz would investigate the

investigators. this is not your grandfather's party. this is maga. we are now declaratively in this space where the transition of a once proud republican party, a center right party, is now a basic -- a hole in the floor. to your understand of all broken things going into a junk drawer, we're seeing all broken things fall into this hole. all manner of excuses and lies geared up to fill this hole. politically, how do democrats respond to the hole that's being created in our body politic by maga in which the good discussions around policy and the direction of the country and the values and principles no longer matter, it's all about whether or not you can plant your lips firmly enough on

donald trump's butt cheek in order to satisfy him as opposed to doing the right things under the constitution? >> you fill the void with trust in contrast. the way you win a campaign is you do contrast. the last election, no matter how much contrast we tried to tell people about how good a job joe biden had done, they believed this man would not do what he is doing. it's an opportunity for democrats to draw a contrast. we were not able to in the election. that's why we lost. we have to admit we lost and why we lost if we're going to rebuild and get back to where we were with working folks and other people. the key is filling the void with the truth. starting that early. not six months before an election, 30 days before the election. starting now going, we told you about this. this is proof we weren't lying. we are better than this because this hole, whether you are republican or democrat, you want what's best. this chaos and the way it's going to embarrass the country is not what we want. >> a conversation we had

yesterday -- sglt house >> the house democrats have been very clear. i'm waiting on the senate, particularly senator schumer. >> i do whenever i see this come out. >> i drink to that. >> simone and friends, to talk about the stakes, they are the stakes for democracy. there's the reality if they get confirmed the reverberations will last for generations to come. i'm thinking, eddie, about chris wright who trump is nominating for energy secretary and the fact that this is a person who doesn't believe that we are going through a climate crisis. listen to what he said on the matter. >> there is no climate crisis. we're not in the midst of an energy transition. what about extreme weather? we have seen no increase in the

frequency or intensity of hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts or floods despite endless fear mongering of the media, politicians and activists. >> the folks who are reeling in florida and -- >> it's laughable. >> and north carolina disagree. it's laughable. but i have to tell you as a mom of little kids, i'm scared. for people who are going to inherit this planet and -- we know we are running out of time. the fact that now policy is going to be determined by someone who is not following the science, who doesn't believe that we are already living in the middle of this crisis, despite nature telling us otherwise, is to me alarming sort of as a generational legacy, that this is what we are endowing to our children. >> no, no, no. i think this is absolutely right. this is just some dumb shit. i'm sorry, this early in the

morning, this doesn't make any sense on so many different levels. we need to understand that this is not just simply generational. this is existential for particular communities. those communities -- with the floods in asheville, the strength of the hurricanes in florida. let's think about the global south. in the caribbean islands that are on the front lines of this. poor communities experiencing the ways in which environment -- the environmental change, climate change is impacting their quality of life. let's think about this outside of the realm of politics, democrats and republicans. think about this in terms of the life chances of everyday ordinary people and particularly the most vulnerable of us. this guy with sound like he is reasonable. we need to call this for what it is. it's stupid. i was going to say something else again. i don't know why i'm prone to cussing this morning. you get the point. something is at stake here that goes beyond politics, it seems to me.

>> you need the holy water. >> i got some in the back. i can bring it out. >> can i note, i actually hadn't seen the clip, and i did read my elements this morning. it's crazy because as we had this conversation, the president -- president biden is going to make a trip to the amazon today to talk about the historic climate pledges and to mark world conservation day. the first u.s. president to visit the amazon. the splint screen couldn't be more clear. >> you are both sticking with us, eddie, chuck. the immigration hardliners are making the return. what democrats can do. we will be joined by latifa simon and robert garcia. how blue states are planning to push back against the trump administration. k against the tr administration so, we switched to tide free & gentle. it cleans better, and doesn't leave behind irritating residues. and it's gentle on her skin. tide free and gentle liquid is epa safer choice certified.

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americans only. >> is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families? >> of course there is. families can be deported together. >> families can be deported together. donald trump spent months promising the largest deportation operation in american history. now, he is taking steps to fill his administration with anti-immigrant handliners, eager to carry that out no matter the cost. eddie and chuck are back with us. >> chuck, you and i care about what happens to migrants in this country in part because we care about the texture and fabric of this country. we understand that while disproportionally a lot are latino, there are ukrainians, haitians, it's bigger than just our community. you have the impact that's going to happen in schools and churches and our neighborhoods. you have the economic impact that's going to happen across

this country if you eat a salad, if you drink a cup of milk, if you have new construction happening in your neighborhood. talk to me about both pieces. what it's going to mean for those of us who have ties to these folks and also what it's going to mean for folks who don't feel the way we do but rely on the labor of these people to keep this country afloat. >> the word is shock from both sides of the question. you know this is very personal for me. my firm does a lot of work in the immigration space and democratic space. both of my business partners are immigrants, one from mexico and one from he will el salvador. in public and all of the things that are going on with it, whether it's the industry, farming. what donald trump has done and

the republican -- not because they want to do everything to become u.s. citizens, 99.9% of the people fleeing bat places -- bad places want to work here and they pay more taxes than a u.s. congressman because they make more money than a u.s. congressman and they are immigrants and brought here as children and they are doing the work nobody else wants to do. what i find the most shocking to me is, as a latino, the grandson of an immigrant is the way when we talk to other latinos during this election cycle who voted for donald trump -- they wanted lower prices but they didn't want their grandmothers deported. this is going to be a shock felt across the country. democrats, listen, if you want a pathway back with latino voters, highlight what's going to happen that's inhumane and viser sis

visceral. >> i want to pick up on that. that's an essential part of this. i'm sitting there thinking about the interview that we had on our network with the family -- the hispanic family that was -- noriega did the interview and the family who had members of their family who are here undocumented and thereby illegally thinking, they're not coming for us. they're going after the criminals. we want the criminals gone. okay, but you are here illegally. so you have committed a crime. therefore, you are a criminal in the eyes of this incoming administration. what is that disconnect that you see out there that people don't think what's about to happen will actually happen? then when it does, what do you expect to hear from them?

i know what i expect to hear. >> you know, i think we know the answer to that question. i want to say this up front. i don't actually think that the primary motivation around this immigration debate, at least from the steven millers and the like, has anything to do with legality or illegality. i think it's all about great replacement theory. if it's all about great replace replacement theory, it doesn't matter if you are here legally or not. they are worried about demographic shifts. tucker carlson said it. we won't be replaced. he said it at madison square garden. we have to understand and be honest with ourselves about what's motivating this stuff. of course, we can talk about border policy. we don't need to talk about it on their terms, but we can talk about border policy. but this -- what they are about to do, this is not about

criminality, michael. this is about the browning of america and how they can somehow, i guess, stem the tide by way of mass deportations. it's not just latino communities. my wife is jamaican. she's worried. she's a naturalized citizen. there are folk living in terror in expectation about what they're going to do. what's motivating them is because -- at least phen miller does -- that this has to be a white -- >> tom homan said -- we should -- tom homan said this. >> this administration comes up with what they call lawful

pathways which i think are illegal and i think they will lose when the decision of the courts come out. >> tom homan has been a border czar for this new administration -- incoming administration for the president-elect. you have kristi noem who is a governor but named head of dhs. she will not be running these pieces that we are talking about. it's stephen miller and it's going to be tom homan. there's reporting that says this from politico. the immigration policy be run by homan and miller. she can focus on other agencies. if anybody thinks that the bureaucracy is going to keep some of the most heinous things have happening, it's not. they are promising shock and awe. this is an administration that

previously put children in cages. people have to wrap their mind around what's going to happen come january 20th. >> that's exactly what i was going to say. people need to remind themselves what happened before. we have seen what they have done before. as we have been talking about, believe people by what they do. they have done some of the worst of the worst. this is a chance that's going to motivate -- i'm going to back to shock. we can have disagreements on policy. let's have that debate on the best economic policy to help working class people. this is craziness. what you are going to see will shock people. people need to get ready now to be shocked. what are you going to do? don't get mad. do something. get involved in something. we can fight back. we can fight back in a way that shows what they are and who they are. a lot of people -- i feel sorry for these people. not because they are ignorant. they do want lower prices. but they didn't think what they are fixing to see in six months,

two months, three months is going to happen is going to shock them. they need to ready for that. as a group of people, we need to give an alternative vision of what our solution is for this problem to fight back against something that's going to be disgusting. >> we are fighting against the great replacement theory. ahead, donald trump taps his defense attorneys for some top spots at the justice department. joyce vance is going to be here. follow our show on social media. @theweekendmsnbc. things aren't really movin'. you could use some metamucil. metamucil's psyllium fiber helps keep your digestive system moving so you can feel lighter and more energetic. metamucil keeps you movin'. and try fizzing fiber plus vitamins. dry... tired... itchy, burning... my dry eye symptoms got worse over time.

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what's your overarching message to americans who are eager for major border action on minute one? >> three words for them.

shock and awe. >> i love it. >> you are going to see us take this country back. >> put that side by side with this reporting that trump allies were told to stop saying they will put migrants in camps because they know that's not politically popular, that is too extreme. you tell me if you disagree. there are multiple camps within trump world. some want to go hard and fast, even if that has disastrous political consequences. some of them realize if they do this more tactically, they will be able to do it longer. i'm not sure which is worst. >> the latter is scarier. it's the frog in the boiling pot of water. the end result is the same. you are dead. you are done. your value system is broken. you have now become comfortable with watching another human being caged and taken away from

their family. we're going to take the whole family now. i think a lot of people -- i get the economic argument. maybe we can have a longer discussion about this intersection of culture and economy that resulted in donald trump's election, because i think that that's just been a very dangerous slippery slope for us to be on because we lose sight of humanity. we lose sight of others. more than anything else, that's what our founders was findful of. we tend not to be so mindful of that today. >> the vice president -- she was not the border czar. she worked on the root cause of migration. she uses to say to us, most people do not want to leave home. most people don't want to take the dangerous journey of leaving everything that they have known, the people that they know and

take only what they can carry in their hands or on their back and go to a strange new place. they are fleeing something. most people don't want to leave home. to then get to this country, america which is supposed to be this beacon of light in the world, and for had this to be happening, there are a lot of people in this country who think the time of water hoses, separate but equal schools, drinking from separate fountains, that that's so far long ago. but we are not that far removed from many of the ugliest pieces of our nation's history. it seems as though history is unbroken continuity. >> it's a thread we still want to play with. >> goodness. next, we will get a fresh face to washington and talk about this. lateefah simon will join the

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there are five races yet to be called. democrats holding the lead in two of the races. one of the new democrats is lateefah simon. good morning. >> good morning. >> good morning, congresswoman. welcome officially to the table. so glad to have you here. welcome to my hometown, washington, d.c. i hope they treat you right. >> yes, sir. >> talk to us a little bit before we get into some of the really meaty stuff that we were talking about this morning, just your sense of coming here in light of everything that we have seen happen since january of 2021. >> of course. >> your orientation, a little bit of that vibe of how that's going. what are your expectations as a new member looking at a potential republican controlled house? >> absolutely. it's been -- the last few days have been extraordinary.

but we do know what we are walking into. many of you all know that kamala harris was my mentor. i worked for her for over five years. she's been in life for over 20. she was the president this country deserved. we are past, i believe, as the elected class, we are not weeping anymore. we are not weak. we are ready to go. i understand what is in front of us. i come from a beautiful neighborhood in the bay area. in the fillmore during world war ii, this government lined up japanese americans, their children, their grandparents, and they took them into concentration camps. we know what's ahead of us. last night in orientation, members of both the republican and democratic newly elected members of congress, we toured the bottom floor of the african american museum. my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, they were able to see front and center what it looked

like to have human beings in bondage, human beings in shackles. we know what is in front of us. the people of the 12th district came out to vote to send me here to protect the rights of our folks by any means necessary. that's what i plan to do, sir. >> very good. >> the imagery, you are going through orientation right now. you talk about the camps. it's connected to the conversation we were having about the deportations that the president-elect and his team are promising. house democrats, we have heard a lot from democratic leader hakeem jeffries about the posture, how you will work with the republicans where you can, push back where you need to. what are some of the conversations y'all are having inside the caucus? what are some of the strategies? this democratic caucus has saved the republican caucus in terms governing a number of times in this 118th congress.

what's going to happen in the 119th? americans want things to get done. one could argue the democrats weren't rewarded for doing their jobs this last time. if you all are in the minority, have you discussed what are some of the different tactics to take as not to prop up your republican counterparts? >> i'm in day three of the orientation process. day one was sitting with members of the democratic caucus and our leader, hakeem jeffries, who is fantastic. he is a visionary. one of the things that he said is, we will walk into the coliseum. because that's what the capitol will become. it has been. we will walk in and defend not just the democratic platform, really the values, moral context of this nation by the ways in which we come, we are defending health care for all, for children to be protected, for teachers to be paid what they deserve, for folks who are sick

and dying to be able to have the opportunity to live a dignified life, for elders, our immigrants and migrants to be able to experience what this country initially promised, that's the strategy. i think for me -- speaking with our wonderful vice president the other day on the phone, she said, be an adult in the room. my job as a legislator is not being a principal. it's to be in the elevators, as i have been with my republican colleagues, at the desk with my republican colleagues. we are going to have to figure out a way forward. we are going to disagree, but we can't just love the country when we win. we can't just love this thinly veiled democracy when we win or when we are in the majority. the job is to push forth. as a new member of congress, you know i'm going to be watching every senate confirmation hearing. that will be opportunity for our colleagues to tell the truth, to tell the story, to shame the

devil. >> it is striking to me the extent to which you know that what you are playing here is a game of defense. there was some reporting in "the new york times" about democrats drawing up a new anti-trump battle plan. let me read you some from that. it will rely on hundreds of lawyers. advocacy groups have become workshopping cases to challenge expected regulations, laws and actions starting on day one. i know you are thinking about how you can do that legislatively, even if you are in the minority. can you give us a sense, perhaps one example, where you think there might be an opportunity for democrats in this forthcoming congress? >> i do believe the legislative process will be a very difficult one for us. as you think about some of the ways in which the republican

party has purported that they will strike back on the good people of this nation, including sinking the department of education as a disability advocate, i'm clear, i don't care who you are, god doesn't care if you are a republican or democrat, what our father does believe is if you have a child who deserves support, they should get it from everyone. we should see that child as a blessing. you will tell me if you sink the department of education, our blind children, deaf children , our children are disabilities will be on the side of the road. we have to tell the story of what we deserve. what the republican party has said they will do, many of the american people don't understand that that is them. that is them who will be without food. it is them who will be without educational opportunities. it is their children who will be bifurcated and not get the rights they deserve, education and health and civil rights, they are exactly just that, they are rights, not privileges.

i think our communities across both aisles, as they begin to see rights being violated, i have hopes that we will come together, the legislative opportunities i believe will be slim, but we will seize on every opportunity both to teach and to pass the laws that really bring us back to a center of some bit of faith. the next two years are going to be hard. i guarantee you that what i'm here to do is to help us win back the house of representatives in two years. that's our job. >> we have less than a minute left. i want to get your thoughts, because i think this is the capstone of what you have been talking about. senator fetterman says democrats need to stop freaking out over everything trump does. i have said this before, it's like clutch those pearls holder and scold louder. that's not going to win, fetterman said. that's been demonstrated in this cycle. more what? >> grace. we walk by faith and not by sight.

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friends, you remember how the trump campaign insisted they had nothing to do with project 2025? we don't know it. don't know what it is. the man whose group is behind that conservative manifesto, he is singing a different tune after the election. at a release party for his new book, kevin roberts, said he anticipates speaking with trump soon and that his group, the heritage foundation, is very optimistic about working with the administration. his book was delayed until after the election to play down his ties to the campaign, because after all, jd vance, he wrote the forward to the book. look at the photo. >> it's laughable at this point just how ridiculous all of this is, because we levelled up the conversation of project 2025,

had kevin on the show in april of this year. clanged that bell loudly about not just what it was but the connective tissue. everyone was like -- they come out and say, we're not connected with that at all. now here we go. now we can release the book. we're going to talk to the administration. folks, i get it. i get a lot of what people were going through coming into this election and things that motivate and moved you. i'm still wrapping my head around this idea that project 2025 and everything -- its blueprint it lays out, the very direct promises of herding people up and shipping them out of the can't, what we're doing to weaponize institutions against the american people, none of that happened in the biden administration. who got weaponized against them

where the doj or department of education or any department -- folks seemingly thought what we have now was not good enough. what we are about to get will be better. okay. let me know how that works out when they come and take a neighbor or friend that you know and ship them off because someone decided they are here illegally. that's laid out -- all that was is laid out in the project. we can all pretend now that those conversations didn't happen before the election and shock and awe. it's going to be shock and awe all right. >> there's the doing and there's the undoing. you think about the deportations. one of the big obstacles is the fact it costs a lot of money to do deportations at the scale at which they are talking. congress is the funding mechanism. how do republicans plan to fund it? they run it through reconciliation. as someone who has been -- a

hill staffer through this before said to me, once you put that funding mechanism in and you pass it through reconciliation, that's not a thing you undo in two years. it's not a thing you undo in four years if democrats win back the white house. it sometimes takes 30 years before some of those mechanisms can be clawed back. i want folks to understand the immediate things that we will feel. then there's the reality that it's really hard onceconstructi stuff to build it back. >> maybe it's worth us going back and pulling up the particulars in project 2025. getting rid of the department of education was one of the tenets in there. believe people when they say what they would like to do. i'm thinking about these other

agencies, hhs. rfk is going to be over hhs if he is confirmed. you talk about mifepristone, health care across the board, talk about vaccines. there are many other -- the fda, okay? i mean, people gotta get serious. buckle up, honey, strap in. >> i forget the community off the top of my head that's already voted to take fluoride out of their water. >> in florida. >> okay. never mind. i will go walk around with no teeth. you wonder why your kid's teeth are rotting. another hour of "the weekend" straight ahead. joyce vance and robert garcia will join us. stick around. you are watching "the weekend."

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welcome back to "the weekend," everybody. now, donald trump wants to reshape the justice department. we all know that. he wants to make it into his own personal law firm.