because of the drought we have been experiencing here. again, some of these officials talking about some of the conditions. we spoke to some of the evacuees. take a listen to what they told me. >> the wind turned and it started coming down this hill toward us. it was about halfway down when they said you have to go. >> we want to stay as long as we can. those are our houses. you want to do as much as you can to save it. but of course, you have to put your faith into the professionals. but you still want to be there as close as you can and participate in the saving of your home. can and participate in the saving of your home. >> i think everyone can relate to that. they are watching carefully. alex, good news in all of this. >> totally. >> looking at the forecast. >> rain. rain! possibly a quarter of an inch to a an inch. i am out of time. that will do it for me. we will be back next saturday and sunday prime weekend is next. saturday

and sunday prime weekend is next. ♪ if you look behind the appointment of a trio of maga personalities, two or three of the critical cabinet posts in the country. director of national intelligence, attorney general and the u.s. secretary of defense. if you look behind the headlines that ensued and the chaos that has been the quick reaction from democrats and republicans on capitol hill. now all of the swirling questions in news rooms, around ethics and the confirmation process and what it looks like, pretty obvious and intentional theme emerges as tim snyder,

author of "tyranny" they are looking to wreck the american government. all three of the most high profile picks, tulsi gabbard. matt gaetz and keith hegseth, combined. the content for the roles of the department they are going to lead and the views they have that are in stark contrast to many of the republicanses who have been asked to confirm them to lead those agencies. we will start with tulsi gabbard that said the west is to blame for the war in ukraine. an opinion far out of line in the bipartisan national security experts. >> kamala harris was in europe a few days before putin invaded ukraine speaking very clearly and loudly about how ukraine should become a member of nato. this is one of the thing, it

has been the red line, for any objective-minded person you can understand why they would not want nato missiles sitting in ukraine. >> again, whatever you think of that you have to look at how it squares with mitch mcconnell and a sizeable chunk of his caucus. >> by assisting ukraine today america is directly demonstrating our commitment to the basic principals of territorial integrity and national sovereignty. changing the calculus for others considering military aggression and lowering the odds of a far costlier and far more deadly future conflicts in the process. >> and then take pete hegseth. he agrees with trump when trump says our adversaries abroad are not as big of a threat to

america as the quote enemies within. he writes this, quote, while the post september 11 generation of patriots spent two decades fighting enemies abroad we allowed domestic enemies at home to gobel up cultural and political and spiritual territory, leftists stole a lot from us, we will not take this. >> what does it mean for those that see trump's critics and now heading the pentagon as the real threat for that person to now have command and control of the u.s. military. and then there is the curious case of matt gaetz. a one man chaos agent in the house of representatives has earned himself near universal contempt and loathing from his own republican colleagues. david french writes it this way in the "new york times" quote

he was primarily responsible for deposing kevin mccarthy in a fit of pique and he so alienated from the house colleagues people had to be physically restrained from attacking on the house floor. he is under investigation for sexual allegations. in the coming days and weeks republicans are going to be asked to confirm appointees who don't agree with their ideologiacalcal ways, here is how steve bannon reacted. >> matt gaetz is the fiercist of the fierce warriors, firebrands of firebrands. he is going to hit the department of justice with a

blow torch. and that blow torch is again matt gaetz. >> a lot of things about bannon at least he says it all outloud and saying it for years. trump's picks are part of this project that bannon described for years now publicly as the destruction of the administrative state. the fulfillment, the vision, he has been fighting for years. here he is making that point earlier today. >> we are going to burn some of these institutions down to the ground, you know why? they need to be burned down to the ground. >> that is where we start today. where else with some of our favorite reporters and friends. host of msnbc politics and joining us remotely host of the

podcast in polotic, national affairs joe halmen and new york investigative reporter mike smith is here. john, i start with you and sort of your body of bannon reporting. i think he started with this effort which, again, always out in the open destroying the administrative state, if i remember with a white board in his white house office. it may of taken longer to arrive at this. it seems intentional that the cabinets of trump is meant to divide news room and chasing their tailses and see if tulsi gabbards comments are going to get any reaction from the mighty senate republicans. or, if hegseth's scandals. it seems the sum of the reaction to those is intended

to advance the brooder project of bannons? >> reporter: i think that the first time that steve bannon ever said the phrase, deconstruction of the administrative state, the same, but the first time he said it, 2017 where he was the, the trump forces were ascendants. steve was in attendance and he was interviewed and he talked about the big priorities in the trump term. he talked about nationalism in terms of trump policy, nationalism, terms of economic policy and then the third thing he talked about was the deconstruction of the administrative state. and, you know, the one thing that you -- steve is not the only one staying it out loud forever, from the moment they walked in the doors there in january of 2017 until now when he was trump was out of office.

he also is someone who is unlike donald trump extraordinary well read and sophisticated thinker, when i say sophisticated i don't want anyone to think he is a good thing in someone's thoughts but he is someone that thought a lot about this stuff. he read his linen. that is what it is. it is a linenist project. what of it is directed at the media, the frame you were putting on it creating chaos how he cover it, it is also, importantly, these are tests of the republicans in the senate. it is not a coincidence that trump dropped the matt gaetz announcement to break up john thune's welcome party, victory party winning as majority leader on the republican senate side it was, it was like dropping a turd in his punch

bowl at his party instead of saying, okay, this is the most unacceptable or among the most unacceptable people you can ever put in this job. now mr. thune pass him please. he did not want john thune. it is not a secret vote, public vote. every within senator is facing the same dynamic they faced every other time in trump's political history which is do what i say or i will bring the wrath of maga down on you. i think even in this negotiation, we are seeing it back and forth on recess appointments he is testing the senate and making it clear you will be my rubber stamp willingly or rubber stamp because i force you to be my rubber stamp. he is trying to takeaway advise and consent from the senate effectively and you saw john thune last night and he said i would rather do it the normal way. but the last words out of his mouth were, nothing is off of

the table. meaning doing these things by recess appointment is on the table and you can see a familiar dynamic where donald trump may end up mind boggling he might not get his way on these nominees. >> let me read you more from tim snyder on the rule of law. a modern democratic state depends upon the rule of law before anything else is possible we have to endorse the principal that we are all governed by law. and that ourince tyings are grounded in law. this enables a functional government of a specific sort in which leaders can be replaced by elections and allow us to live as free individuals by a set of rules we can alter together the rule of law depending on people. people who believe in the spirit of law. matt gaetz the proposed attorney general is opposite such a person. not just that he flouts the law himself specifically and disgustingly it is that he

embodies lawlessness and counted upon to abuse the law to pursue trump's political opponents. the end of the rule of law is an essential component of a regime change. just to under score tim snyder's point here is how a republican, former house member now senator describes matt gaetz' conduct. i play this because it is also been revealed today that speaker mike johnson does not plan to release the ethic's report into matt gaetz. but a lot of the conduct is known. this is the republican senator. >> there is a reason why no one in the conference came and defended him because we all seen the videos he was showing on the house floor that all of us walked away of the girls he slept with, brag about how he would crush medicine and chase it with an energy drink so he can go all night. >> so, it is important because

to john's point it is about humiliating the senate republicans and either making them confirm that guy who in the telling of another republicans would quote show videos on the house floor of all of the girls he slept with and brag how he would crush ed medicine and chase it with an energy drink so he can go all night, end quote. it is about making them confirm him or taking away all their power and confirming him without them in a recess appointment. what is the impact of that on the rule of law. >> tremendous. it shows nicolle that it went from a right versus left to an insider or outside . the voices outside are critical of matt gaetz. his own caucus glad to see him go. none the less he is nominated as attorney general. it shows, again, deconstruction,

evisceration. that is a new ball game. again, not, we don't agree on policy or right versus the left. inside or outside has the potential as a conflict to erode the institutions like the rule of law. >> what happens now? they exactly after you, launching investigations even meritless ones, it could be expensive and time-consuming and difficult for people who have done absolutely nothing wrong but exercise the authority that has been given them through official channels would have to, you know, would have to go through those investigations. i am not worried on criminal or other exposure, inconvenience, expense and intimidation of the

launching of those investigations. >> mike schmidt you have done incredible reporting on trump's ambitions in his first term. you talked about the roadblocks he encountered. how does the fbi eradicate those hurdles? >> reporter: trump basically ran into two problems with weaponizing the justice department. one was having an attorney general that would go along with what he wanted. as bill barr writes in his book. trump is complaining to him in december of 2020 that he never prosecuted jim comey. that was something that trump tried to do throughout his entire precedency, trump tried to do himself in 2018. he wanted to go out and

prosecute him himself. even though he is, trump is not a prosecutor. that was the first roadblock. the second one was the courts. in that case they ran into the courts of andy mccade. former fbi director under investigation. they took his case to a grand jury and the grand jury came back and said they weren't going to indict him. that was a roadblock there. they were, there were no changes brought against him because of that. the first, with the gaetz at the top of the justice department, that roadblock that barr created on the issue of comey would be gone. i don't think i am taking too many leaps here to say that matt gaetz is someone that would go along with exactly what donald trump wanted. that is essentially what matt gaetz'brand is. i was reading back some of the stories we have done about the investigations into gaetz and i saw that the way that trump

learned first talked to gaetz he saw him on fox news in late 2017 rallying against the mueller investigation. he called him and said he needed warriors or something of that sort to help him in his efforts and that is exactly what gaetz did. so, i think what you may see which would be different is more interaction between the justice department, the executive branch and the judicial branch where the justice department will try to do things and the courts would be forced to really weigh in and determine if there is merit to what the department is doing. and, we saw that in the andy mccade case. most cases the investigations that trump wanted were sort of never really got out the door at the justice department. they never really got through charges. they were just investigations. there is an enormous amount

that can be done on the investigator front if the department wants to investigate something or someone. there are not a lot of checks on that in many ways. they can interview people, they can send out subpoenas in they want a search warrant they have to go to the courts. but i think you would see here more as a clash of the branches. the justice department trying to do things and the judicial branch forced to come and weigh in and say if they thought it was okay or not. >> i think the john durham investigation was proven constructive. attorneys office within the justice department green lit by bill barr had free reign all over people trump perceived political enemies and brought cases to trials and lost both of them. i have to sneak in a quick break first. also ahead, matt gaetz is not the only cabinet pick that many worry will want to blow up the agency and the professionals

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inquiries, the city of monterey, california released some information from a police report confirming a sexual assault investigation into hegseth and an investigation that involved bruises to someone's right thigh. to be clear, no charges filed. the trump campaign statement on the matter reads in part, quote, mr. hegseth vigorously denied any and all accusations and no charges were filed end quote. in a phone interview his attorney said this quote the police statement speaks for itself. he was cleared. there is not much more than i can say. it didn't happen. end quote. but, all of that aside just take what he gseth has said in public -- hegseth has said in public, there is a lot. published that he found he forcefully argued steps to incorporate women and transgender personnel across the military are eroding

military security and islam is a violent force threatening to overtake america and should be countered by a new crusade. maybe shocking but not surprising from a person who said similar things on national television. >> the pentagon likes to say our diversity is our strength. what a bunch of garbage. >> straight up saying we should not have women in combat roles, has not made us more effective or lethal made fighting more complicate second degree. >> real quick. >> can you answer the question? >> i think i am answering i don't feel any obligation to answer any questions. >> when you import the third world you get third world hierarchy values and chaos. >> vets groups mostly encourage vets to apply for every government benefit they can every get. >> a lot of groups are convincing vets to give, get, take than just what you need for the service. >> i don't think i washed my

hands for 10 years. really. i don't really wash my hands >> somebody help me. >> everyone is back. rev? >> reporter: if he has not washed his hands for 10 years i don't know if i want to see him have lunch at the pentagon with people. i think that it is, again, frightening to see this kind of person, with these kinds of views. anti-woman -- and proud of it. anti-muslim, and proud of it and we are going to put him over the defense of all of the countries. women being in the military has not improved the military but you trust us to defend all women and men. how outrageous is that? this is 2024. and rather than somebody like that being isolated as someone who did not come into the 21st century making secretary of defense and by the way succeed the first and only black

secretary of defense that is the irony of this. that is how donald trump thinks. >> you know, again, i mean, general, -- john, the military is protecting national security ours and that of our allies, right? those are the three jewels of the u.s. government and trump can pick whoever he wants and it is, it is in some ways the most obvious choice of all along with gaetz. but he can not afford to have the military not like this pick. and there are a lot of women in the military. the military, i believe, i know it is the most diverse federal workforce it might be the most diverse workforce in the country. and trump can't have the

military tear itself apart. amy mcgrath said if they are court martialed itand how it will tear the military apart >> there is a lot to say there, nicolle. i looked it up yesterday. 2.8 million people work for the united states department of defense. 2.8 million people. the largest workforce in the united states. and one of the largest in the world. i am not sure what is bigger in the world. but i do know it is that number. it is extraordinary thing $864 billion a year budget. $864 billion. the stuff that we know about that does not include the black budget stuff that makes the

budget of the pentagon unlimited. the task is large. if you ask the question and you want to talk about pete hegseth is he qualified the answer is obviously no. it is one of the most, for generations it is the hardest cabinet position. it is, you know, a monstrosity. it is so enormous. it kills people. causes people to have nervous break downs when they try to run it. historically that is true. he is not qualified to run it, he is qualified to ruin it it, he is qualified to ruin it oh... stuffed up again? so congested! you need sinex saline from vicks. just sinex, breathe, ahhhh!

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. "new york times" bestselling author, my colleague and dear friend rachel maddow is here. my friend, where do you start? you go. [ laughter ] >> well, i don't know.

i don't know where to start. i do feel like, nicolle that you, maybe more than anyone has been very clear eyed about what was coming and about what was being promised here. and that there was no reason to expect it to be moderated or normal or that it was going to tact back to the center or anything that looked like traditional politics. you did your series. and listen, we saw what was going to happen and now it is happening. so, i do feel like there is a moment for people to get real and for people to stop saying like, oh, there is going to end up being much more moderate than anyone expected. when are you going to start apologizing for saying democracy was threatened? i think it is time to get real and realize what this is what we are up against. and the fact that we all feel a little bit, flumixed, sort of

rocked by the increasing choices it is meant to shock us. it is meant to adjust our sense of what is normal, what is possible and to sort of disorient us as what it counts to proposed governance in the united states that we are ready for the most radical pronouncements and actions. and i do think that we are supposed to feel the way we do right now. it is part of it. it is a shock and awe campaign against american traditions. and that is, i think how most of the country feels about it. >> to sort of sustain the military, the iraq war starts with the shock and awe, the war is a catastrophe. it does not have competence or show he will succeed in demolishing democracy but it does mean we as a press every time chase the shiny objects

this week matt gaetz and tulsi gabbard or pete hegseth, those are the shiny objects but the movement is propelled by this hatred of democratic party and the media-elites. a promise, a promise to deliver on the economy, on immigration. and the people in charge of those two things, one of them is an alleged child sex trafficker and the other by her own telling, a dog killer. he gets bullocks up. >> reporter: the think the idea of the authoritarian promise is that everything shriveles in shivels in government. you don't put robert f. kennedy

jr because you are hoping for great things from hhs. matt gaetz among all of the other things we can say he proposed abolishing the justice department. not specifically abolishing the fbi and atf but abolishing the justice department. tulsi gabbard as the director of national intelligence is, the idea that tulsi gabbard in a normal circumstance get a security clearance to be a walmart style greeter at any u.s. intelligence agency let alone get passed the security barriers is insane. do you that because you want the worst for these agencies. you want the worst for the u.s. government. because you think the u.s. government is worthless. that is part of consolidating power. to make the u.s. government nothing other than the leader and people who will do what he says. and not being any expertise let

alone, you know, just general day to day know how anywhere. it is sort of, steve bannon used to say to say linenist state. much more like a authoritarian system. >> what are you looking at the friction points. precedency first point is the firing of jim comey after he used to see to it to let mike flynn go and they go on a crusade. to your point, matt gaetz will be in charge of the department and yet named person to be expected to replace his land

hand-picked head of the f.b.i. he threatened jerome powell, where do you expect friction between trump 2.0 and the institutions that stand? >> reporter: well, the first one is going to happen over the question of not the appointment of any particular nominee, not of the confirmation process for any particular nominee but if there will be a confirmation process for nominees. right? the first point of confrontation will be between trump and the republican- controlled senate. it will be over the basic question of whether or not the senate has any role of confirming any nominees. trump will have to go to very unusual and tested corners of the constitution and precedent to find a way to shut it down himself. haddie is going to tell

republicans in congress to shut themselves down. thus, marginalizing themselves as one of the three co-equal branches of government to set up the executive branch himself without anybody having a say about it. now, why would you want to do that rather than just have all of your nominees confirmed by the senate? i am sure the republicans in the senate would be happy to do? you want them not to have a role in the confirmation process because you want the legislative branch to shrivel. they control power and within the authoritarian leader. that is why it is an advantage to get a recess appointment than a senate-confirmation appointment, even if he is given it for even craziest folks >> your new yorker piece is about a defining feature of

autocrats how might that be a rub? >> it is just something for us in the media to keep in mind and for us to keep ourselves aware of what to learn from the american experience in the past. autocrats are always crooks, why bother getting rule of the law if you can not steal from the country blindly. it happened to all of our american demagogues. in some cases they persuaded to vote for them. no reason to expect that it will be any different particularly the way the run up to the next term for trump has gone. and it just, it is worth being aware of that both in terms of self-protection, watch your wallet. but it is worth us being focused on as a focused state

as looking out for the establishment of an american oligarch. it is stealing the country out from under us. they do it in every country, everywhere. the american people will like if it is documented and it is our job to document it. >> our north star on and off of the air and every time we talk these jobs are such a tremendous privilege. i thought about that and repeated that to my team and my staff and myself more than a few times over the last 10 days, thank you very much for the privilege of getting to talk to you. of getting to talk to you. ey. -(groans) morning breath, huh. dr. garcia? wooo. ♪♪ that's millions of bacteria growing overnight. crest pro-health helps prevent oral health issues before they start. i'm so much fresher. crest. you got better things to do than clean out clogged gutters. call leaffilter today and never clean out clogged gutters again. leaffilter's technology keeps debris

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thank you, arizona. that is what winning looked like. democrats looking for under the couch, the reasons to be optimistic and hopeful don't have to look farther than that. reuben gallego. his victory is impressive when you consider trump won arizona. same story in michigan, nevada and wisconsin. states that sent trump to the white house but democrat to the united states senate. north carolina went red in the presidential contest. again, chose a democrat to be that state's governor. and reproductive rights of the seven states that approved abortion protections on ballot initiatives, three ultimately went for trump for president. it is something to keep in mind for those starting to peek ahead at the road forward for

democrats. one of those democrats road mapping it is andy brashear. >> while others are talking about political strategy and messaging, the way forward is really about focus and action. the next several years are the democratic party's chance to show the american people we will not just run on but govern by addressing those core issues that can and will improve the lives of our people and perhaps the best part, the core issues and concerns are not partisan and addressing them helping democrats and republicans alike. that's a path forward for both the democratic party and the country that we love. joining our conversation is democratic of kentucky andy beshear, tell us about the piece that you write. many thought of it like chicken soup after the election. >> i was disappointed by the

results. i supported the vice president and ran a hard race and tried her very best. my piece is not about looking back on the election but forward. it is the idea when people wake up in the morning they are not thinking about politics they are thinking about their job and if they make enough to support their family. thinking about the next doctor appoint for themselves or parents or kids. they are thinking about the roads and the bridges they drive each day, what traffic is going to be like. they are thinking about the public school they drop their kids off at and thinking about public safety in their communities. see, if you don't feel secure about those things you don't get to anything else. you don't get to whatever the issue of the day is in washington, d.c. and you don't get to any crazy thing that a politician said today or yesterday. and, so my piece is about recommitting to waking up every single day and shows the american people this is what we are focused on. yes, we will stand up for

important values, we will push back against discrimination, we will try to expand opportunity all over the united states but people should know that every day we are working on creating better-paying jobs, reducing the cost of health care, making sure our roads and bridges are safer, creating a world class education for our kids and making everybody not just safer but feel safer. those are just those core things that regardless if you are a democrat or a republican or independent that you have to feel satisfied and secure before you can reach anything else. >> you mentioned safety and feeling safe and security. just say a little more about where you think the democratic deficiencies are on those gut issues. >> i think you have to recognize you can not just give statistics you have to listen if people feel safe. at a time when we are talking about physical health and

mental health you don't feel safe in your community it has a real impact on you. then, we got to make sure we take steps to address those concerns. so, when we think about the different path forward i hope we are always listening first. that we are talking two people and not -- talking to people and not at them. we meet folks where they are and we make sure we don't dismiss how somebody feels, even if we disagree with it. we hear them out and then we try to find that common ground. we apply common sense. i wrote donald trump won kentucky by 30 points just in one year after i won it by 5 points. and if you look at it inflation has gotten better over that period of time. i think in kentucky when i ran people saw that not only did i support policies that would create new jobs but we were

actually doing it. and, we open the cleanest, greenest recycling facility and while people might not believe what politicians say or what is in their platforms my ads had me standing in front of those two facilities and people certainly believe what they can see and feel and touch. it is about priority and it is about focus. you know f we are talking about what donald trump said today and the issue of the day in washington and jobs we are only talking a third of our time about jobs. and so when people see how we spend the time that we have to communicate with them they have to see our major priorities are the things they care about the most. this has been prime time weekend. i'm nicolle wallace.

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. good evening and welcome to politics nation. tonight's lead, picking a fight. last night in new york president-elect