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reports." bitter competition fights ahead as hegseth and gaetz faces allegations that threaten their nominations. we have just got new insight into how military mass deportations. what it means for ukraine's war with russia and is it part of his plan to trump-proof america's foreign policy? later, scare on the runway. gunfire striking a southwest flight taxiing for takeoff. ♪♪ it is 10:00 eastern and 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm an na cabrera reporting from new york. the president-elect's policies proposals and cabinet picks

spurring controversy. trump previewing how he may carry out his polarizing mass deportation plan and reporting that it is true that he will declare a national emergency and declare troops and deploy those u.s. troops. now on the cabinet side, sexual misconduct allegations could be jeopardizing two of trump's most high profile picks, pete hegseth and matt gaetz. hegseth maintains his innocence after his attorney confirms he paid a woman undisclosed amount after she accused him of sexual assault. there is new doubt on the path ahead for gaetz's bid for attorney general as one lawyer claims his client hold the houses ethics committee she saw gaetz have sex with a minor and gaetz denies the allegation.

ali rafael is following us and chief strategist for the bush 2004 campaign matthew dowd and also joining us is danielle moody. the president-elect making news this morning he could declare a national emergency and use the military to enact that mass deportation plan that he promised as president. what more do we know? >> ana, good morning. for the first time, president-elect trump is saying how his cabinet would carry out the mass deportation plan. he shared this post from the president of a conservative group that detailed the plan and added the word true. we have asked for more clarity from the trump team as far as how this would work and the trump team says they have nothing more to add but this wouldn't be totally unprecedented. remember in 2019, trump declared a national emergency at the border to be able to access more

federal funding for his border wall and then in 2018, he actually did send military troops to the border, although the pentagon, at the time, insisted that they were there more for logistical support rather than be able to apprehend undocumented migrants. now that trump has vowed to do this in this next term, it is still unclear exactly how this would work. >> we have learned the president-elect is standing by his picks for the pentagon and the doj, despite allegations putting their nominations in jeopardy. where do things stand there? >> reporter: that's right. controversy only growing around two of trump's top cabinet picks. pete hegseth and matt gaetz. it was discovered over the weekend by this breaking news by "the washington post" that hegseth had paid a woman who accused him of sexual assault and had her sign a nondisclosure agreement and "the washington post" reported that the woman's friend sent a memo that we should note nbc news has not

seen, to the trump team last week, alleging that hegseth, quote, raped the then 30-year-old conservative group staffer in his room after drinking at hotel bar. police say they investigated the incident but no charges were ever filed. and hegseth's attorney says his client is completely innocent of what he calls a consensual encounter. the president-elect is standing by his voice. the trump transition team this morning, putting out a statement that reads, in part, quote, we look forward to his confirmation as united states secretary of defense so he can get started on day one to make america safe and great again. then we talk about matt gaetz. he is facing new head winds in his quest to become attorney general. there are growing calls from lawmakers for the house ethics committee to release a report of that since closed probe in to allegations of sexual misconduct, as well as elicit drug use by gaetz which he denies. house speaker mike johnson notably insisting that report

remains sealed but as of now, there is a growing number of republicans on capitol hill that already doubt that gaetz ever gets confirmed. >> keep us posted. thank you for those updates, ali. on the deportations, matthew, let's start there. this is the first time, i believe, that trump has now confirmed how he is planning to carry this out. is there anything stopping him? >> well, the united states senate and the united states congress could stop him because they control funding and they coal a lot of the regulations that are involved with immigration. i have to believe that donald trump and people around him understand that if he were to do this as he says, it would have a massive hit on the economy as we all know. ana, undocumented workers are a huge mainstay of the construction and house keeping industry and custodial industry and health care industry, so i would guess what he is doing is sending the signal out and then he'll do something symbolically

because the destructioniveness to our economy by i am doing this i think is unbelievable and i think the united states senate and the united states house understands that. my guess is he is going to do something symbolic. >> we saw that the first time around with mexico is going to pay for the wall and we all know how that ended up. senator-elect rubin gallego said this moments ago about trump's border plan. >> the idea that soldiers are going to be carrying out these types of deportations, i think, number one, it's just not something that we in the united states are used to seeing. number two, you'll actually really diminish the scope and the trust that people have for our military forces when they are being used against u.s. citizens, potentially, too. we have a lot of mixed families and i think a dangerous situation the president will be putting our military and our military readiness. >> this could affect tens of

millions of families. danielle, what do you the impact this could have if trump does this on starting on day one? >> i think it will be problematic and incredibly dangerous. what we are seeing with this trump regime is a desire to weaponize our military against u.s. citizens and as a way to weaponize our military against undocumented people. the fact is that these people are integ integ ral to the health of our economy. those that supported donald trump think this is a good idea because ultimately it will hit them. this is a larger conversation about how we see our american military and our economy under this new regime and, right now, not seeming very good. >> matthew, regarding trump's attorney general pick, nbc is reporting more than half of senate republicans are privately saying they don't see a path for gaetz to get confirmed.

"the washington post" also cites four trump sources who are concerned hegseth may not have the math either. at the end of the day, do you see trump getting his way? >> i see trump losing a few of these, especially matt gaetz and not for the reasons i think a lot of people are saying. i think the sexual misconduct, i mean, we have to keep in mind we have a president of the united states who is now commander in chief who has credible sexual misconduct allegations and judicial decisions made about him and he is president of the united states. i think what will likely do matt gaetz is the republicans in the house and the republicans in the senate don't like him. he is ted cruz problem. the people around him don't like him. he has made remove ies so i think he is going down but he is going to go down because there is a lot of republicans that just don't like the guy. >> speaker johnson, though,

does. he wants to bury the house ethics report on gaetz saying it shouldn't come out. here is what trump ally senator markwayne mullins said on "meet the press" about the fate of that report. >> should the house ethics committee release that report, senator? >> absolutely. and i believe the senate should have access to that. now should it be released to the public or not? that i guess that will be part of the negotiations but that should be definitely part of our decision making. once again, i go back to it article 2 section 2 in the constitution, the senate has to advise and consent these individuals and in that process, we are going to get matt gaetz, give him the same chance as all of president trump's nominees. >> that is a staunch trump ally saying release the report, at least two senators who have to make decisions on this confirmation process. you have gaetz and hegseth and it's reminiscent of the trump

kavanaugh appointment. >> i have no idea because i don't think that -- i don't think that it's a smart move on his part but, you know, to matthew's point, i think that, look. you have a president of the united states who adjudicated for violence against women, right? and so this is not a deal breaker for them but i think that they want to continue with the appearance of transparency and that is why there are calls coming for this report to be released. i think that it would make sense, one, for it to be released to the entire public so we know the background and information of the attorney general of the united states, but the way that the trump administration looks at this is that matt gaetz will be an attorney for donald trump and not for the people of the united states of america, and so why do we need to know anything about his background and what he is doing? all we need to know he is com

-- they do not like him. they do not trust him. and they do not want him to be the, quote, unquote, top cop in this country. >> matt, peter baker writes in "the new york times" somehow disruption doesn't begin to cover it. upheaval might be closer. revolution maybe. less than two weeks since being elected again, donald j. trump that embarked on a new campaign to shatter the institutions of washington as no incoming president has in his lifetime. i guess shouldn't be a surprise given what trump campaigned on. your thoughts on trump's leadership team coming in to focus. >> i think we have to acknowledge that what the public wants disruption of the status quo. i think part of the problem democrats have had is their defense of the status quo and their defense of business as usual in washington hasn't been helpful in this. and so -- but there is difference between disruption and change of the status quo

which is what donald trump voters wanted and disruption andarray of what his element of administration does and where i think trump and his administration are going toward. they are going toward the underpinnings of our democracy. democrats have to make the argument not protect the status quo but protect what is important to our democracy and that is where the argument needs to take place. >> matt, axios is pointing out, quote. what does that tell you? >> it tells me that they have this all in mind from the very beginning and that his project 2025 and all of that has been very much a part of this. so they have been ready. he has people around him ready. that is what i think is scary to a lot of people that this is not like 2017 where he is going to

appoint establishment people. he is very functional what he wants to do and that functionality i think pauses people to worry about the dangers this will cause. >> danielle, beyond making a big show at some of these confirmation hearings, do democrats have a play here? >> i'm not quite sure what the play is but their play needs to be a narrative switch to the american people about who is going to be in charge of our government and to the point, yes, the american people voted for disruption to the status quo but they didn't want to see the constitution of these united states torn up or our most important secrets given over to our former enemies that are now becoming our allies like russia. so i think that what democrats need to do is be out front and having a conversation with the american people, making them aware what is happening and what is at stake for their lives and so that the people actually understand where their power still lies under a trump regime.

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welcome back. this morning, multiple, current and former department of justice and fbi officials are preparing to be targeted by the incoming trump administration. that is according to three people with knowledge of their preparations who say these officials are contacting lawyers in anticipation of being criminally investigated. and that the president-elect's pick to pick matt gaetz as the lead of the doj has only heightend those concerns. ryan riley is with us. what are they telling us about their concerns as the trump administration transitions into taking the helm and making plans to take over the doj? >> there is a lot of worries certainly internally. i should be clear this isn't because people think they committed crimes and now they

are going to be caught is because they think there are going to be false investigations meant to target them and bring them down and drain their bank accounts and make them unsafe in their own homes and potentially be -- have fake calls made to their own homes and type of stuff we have seen before. once you get in the eye of that right wing media storm which is what they are trying to here i think in a lot of ways, it's a lot of frightening things could begin to happen. this isn't about actually investigating criminal activity because everything was really pretty above board e way that doj has been doing all of this. but it's about sort of generating that fear and making people feel as though they can't speak out and basically have to, you know, burrow their heads and go into the sand because they are so worried about what is going to happen. i think a big component of this could also this be capitol hill going forward.

there are back stops from the bogus prosecutions to go through. you have to go to try if you got a grand jury turn some sort of indictment off of this so there are those stops along the way. but the justice department is pretty powerful and make your life pretty miserable if they really want to. >> keep us posted, ryan riley. thanks for the update. still more from trump transition. nbc news has learned the president-elect's team is putting together a list of senior u.s. military officers who were involved in the chaotic afghanistan withdrawal back in 2021 and exploring whether they could be court-martialed over it. a u.s. official and a person familiar with the plan says charges as serious as treason could be on the table. on the campaign trail, trump frequently slammed that withdrawal as a humiliation and an independent review blamed both the trump and biden administrations for america's deadly exit from that war. next here, new details about

the man standing trial for the murder of in, a jogger in oregon. the intensifying search for a gunman who shot a southwest plane in dallas as that flight was preparing for takeoff. dallt was preparing for takeoff. >> the pilot came on the speller system and said there was a rattling outside. >> with a bullet. it could hit anywhere. de. >> with a bullet it could hit anywhere.

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we are back. right now in a georgia courtroom, the man charged with the murder of laken riley is on trial. prosecutors arguing the suspect 26-year-old jose ibarra had been hunting for females when he killed the nursing student in a wooded area at the university of georgia campus earlier this year while she was out on a morning run. the crime rattling the campus and schools all across the country and becoming a major political talking point with republicans, including president-elect trump, highlighting ibarra's status as an undocumented immigrant. nbc news preya is there at the athens courthouse for us. what is the latest from inside the courtroom? >> reporter: this is day two of the trial. so far, prosecutors have been trying to paint a picture of jose ibarra as a man who, quote, unquote, was hunting females on the university of georgia campus that day. they say they have digital video and friendsic evidence that tie

him to the brutal murder including dna evidence they found underneath laken riley's finger mails and a fingerprint from the iphone they say she used to call 911 that day. today, we have heard testimony from two university of georgia police officers that first encountered jose ibarra the day after this murder was conducted. let's take a listen to what one of those police officers had to say about what he observed when he encountered ibarra. >> i noticed on his right arm, his bicep, there was a scratch, which identified as a potential defensive wound. on his left arm, he had a forearm scratch that was very similar which, in my mind, looked like fingernail scratches to me. >> reporter: we also heard very powerful testimony from three of laken riley's roommates about 30 of her family members are inside the courtroom right now. they have been incredibly emotional as you can imagine and they have had to exit the courtroom several times, especially when mother-in-law of

those graphic pieces of evidence have been shown. jose ibarra has plead the not guilty on all of the charges he is facing and waived his right to a jury trial so this is being conducted as a bench trial so his fate and any potentially sentencing lies in the hands of the judge. >> iven there is no jury here, does that mean this will move more quickly? >> that is what legal experts are saying. obviously, if this was a jury trial the defense would have to get a consensus from a pool of people versus just one. so really the argument that they are trying to use right now is they are saying that all of this evidence that the prosecution is outlining right now is circumstantial, that they can't definitively tie jose ibarra to any sexual assault that occurred that say and trying to suggest that this crime could have been conducted by one of jose ibarra roommates and it would have those were his family members even though they say jose's cell

phone was pinging towers near to where laken's body was found and they can't definitively say of it jose ibarra who had that phone. >> thank you for your reporting. to texas, police are still searching for a gunman who shot add a packed southwest flight. the plane heading to indianapolis was taxiing for takeoff at dallas love field airport friday night when a bullet truck the cockpit and forcing the pilot to turn around and evacuate the plane. marisa parra is tracking this. how did this happen and where does the investigation stand this morning? >> reporter: the plane has been taken out of service for both investigation and analysis to answer questions in a says so far has no charges and no arrests. >> they think that somebody from outside the airport shot a firearm at the airaircraft.

>> reporter: this morning, the mystery remains unsolved. the 737 was preparing for takeoff friday night at dallas love field airport when officials say a bullet suddenly struck near the right side of the cockpit. >> we will have to return to the gate. >> reporter: the pilots immediately turned the plane around and the faa closed the runway. passengers on board, like james and shannon lee, had no idea what happened. >> the pilot came on the speaker system and said there was a rattling outside. >> back at the gate, he said the plane did sustain some damage so we are going to have to deplane. >> reporter: there were no reported injuries and the plane was taken out of service. >> when i found out that the bullet had hit the cockpit, that, you know, hit my heart because that could have easily have hit and gone through the window. >> reporter: in a statement, southwest says it spoke with passengers and apologized for the convenience stressing the safety our customers and crew were our top priority. >> for something like this to happen in the continental u.s. and the mainland u.s. is

virtually unparalleled. >> reporter: it was just last week when the faa banned all u.s. flights to haiti for a month after three planes from spirit, jetblue, and american were all struck by gir during haiti's ongoing political unrest and gang violence. in texas, dallas police are trying to figure out who fired that bullet at the southwest jet and why. that southwest jet that has been taken out of service, they are looking at a couple of things and analyze the bullet hole to determine the trajectory which hopefully would allow them to determine where the shot was fired from, which angle, maybe what type of firearm was used. but then they are also, of course, going to look at the damage. was it superficial? was it more serious? does this plane need more serious maintenance and repairs? did it hit a hydraulic line? or was it superficial and return to the fleet which is a busy

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welcome back. now to a development that could change the trajectory of the war in ukraine. president biden approving ukraine's use of u.s. supplied long-range weapons for limited strikes inside russia. now this is a move the ukrainian military has long sought from allies but the u.s. has resisted over concerns of nato countries becoming directly involved in the conflict. the decision comes as, overnight, russia executed its

largest air strike in nearly three months on ukraine and targeting the country's power system. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons has more for us. >> reporter: the creme len today accusing the biden administration of pouring oil on the fire, responding to a question from our nbc news team in moscow saying approving the use of long-range weapons would have a different in the conflict. they were fighting fires last night and 11 dead and including two children in one ukrainian city and saw the largest russian air strike in three months and cutting off power and water to family and homes. russia said part of its efforts was part of ukrainian war effort and rockets and drones doing the talking as president biden allowed ukraine to use weapons.

a policy shift from the united states that ukraine had been pushing for. the biden administration resisting until now. the decision european officials say was driven by the arrival of north korean troops in russia and by a determination to help ukraine hold on to territory ahead of expected negotiations. president zelenskyy declaring the missiles will speak for themselves. president putin has warned the precision rockets, including u.s., could mean nato countries directly involved in the conflict and, overnight, president trump's son writing on x, quote. president-elect trump has previously said he would end the war in ukraine in 24 hours and post for an end to the fighting. >> i will end the war in ukraine. >> reporter: tomorrow will mark 1,000 days of the ukraine war.

g7 reiterating over the weekend russia remains the sole obstacle to a justice and lasting peace. multiple european diplomats and officials tell nbc news a compromise does appear enevidentable and president zelenskyy, himself, has said the war will ends sooner under president-elect trump but the event over the weekend suggest any negotiation will be bitter and tough and fraught. >> keir simmons, thank you. joining us is new york democratic congressman gregory meeks, the ranking member on the foreign affairs house committee. you know ukraine has been pushing in for these long-range missiles to utilize them in different ways for some time now. what do you make of the timing? why now? >> i think it's important. i think that, you know, we always said that ukrainians, president zelenskyy will make a determination of when and how and what they would negotiate but they want to be able to negotiate from a position of strength. and the way to do that is to

make sure that they are able to destroy some of the ammunition and some of the rockets that are being fired at them. and what russia has done was move their artillery back into places where they know that the ukrainians couldn't reach them and where they continued to fire them and we saw the devastation that just took place. and i think that working in alignment in connection with our nato allies is one of the things that president biden has done throughout this war that was initiated by russia, has to make sure that we are in lock step with our nato allies and i think our nato allies agree that there are going to be negotiation but should be from ukraine having a position of strength and that is what i think this will help do. >> do you worry that this could be a little too little too late? >> well, no, i don't. i think that it's probably at the right time. i think that what you're looking at is a situation where you've heard -- i know over the last

six months, i've met with president zelenskyy several times and he said he knows it has to end in a negotiated settlement way but he wanted to make sure that it was done from a position of strength so i think this is something that was moving forward. i think that there is concern, you know, when you hear president trump saying it's going to end 24 hours. well, the only way that he will be able to do that to say he is not going to send ukraine what it needs to defend itself and allow russia to do whatever it wants. he said that. he said this was a -- you know, not using the word great but he said this was a brilliant thing that the invasion of russia in to ukraine. we know what he said, what his position is. >> right. >> and so this is a way to try to make sure that we are with our nato allies and we stand closer together. concern, you know, in the past whether or not donald trump will stand with our nato allies. >> there is mixed reaction from republicans both in the senate and in the house, senator roger

wicker responding that he was encouraged by this move to send these long-range missiles or to approve the long-range missile use inside russia. he says it does not excuse the administration's deliberate slow walking of items and assistant long authorized by congress for use against putin's illegal aggression. conversely, you heard from donald trump jr. in that piece by keir and he said this. quote. what do you make of that disconnect? and do you worry at all this move could backfire? >> well, look. >> escalate? >> listen. one of my colleagues who talk about the timing of the -- being approved. remember, there was a long pause because of my republican colleagues who refused to fund ukraine. there was that long -- gave

russia an advantage that it currently has. this tries to now level playing field, that long is almost eight months of which we were bickering back and forth because republicans wouldn't agree to fund it. and now, you know, you're hearing from the administration, the incoming administration, i think that is what the president's son talking about. he is not saying how it will be done because i believe and many believe that what he talks about saving lives means that giving away the solvent territory of ukraine, that is not the way to do that. what we want to do is make sure that ukraine stays intact. that is the focus and has always been the focus of this administration, along with our allies working collectively together which is extremely important and not america alone and america by itself, which is, you know, concerning, concerning to our allies and our friends across. i remember when joe biden first won the presidency, one of the first things i said to a number of our am lies, at that time, i

was chairman of the committee, aren't you glad that america is back at the table? their question back to me was, yes, we are. but for how long? because they were fearful of a comeback of donald trump and the same kind of, you know, coldness that he had to our nato friends. remember, he had coldness to our nato friends but warmth to putin, warmth to victor orbin and kim jong-un and the people he was praising but he was always criticizing our nato allies. they are still very concerned about that. >> let me ask you this. cabinet picks we are seeing of donald trump ahead of his administration taking office for director of national intelligence, for example, tulsi gabbard and critics have said she has shown a pattern of siding with russia and authoritarian regimes. what do you make of this pick? >> it's actually a pick. she was on the foreign affairs committee when she secretly went over to visit assad and she made public statements about russia.

and i think that unfortunately, you know, it does follow what donald trump has done and what donald trump has said because donald trump, remember, he said he trusted russian intelligence above the united states intelligence in russia, he said it! so to have tulsi gabbard there now who has basically said good things about assad, secretly gone over to visit him. good things about putin, shows to me that that is a national security threat to the united states of america and i think under ordinary circumstances, if you go through regular security screening, she would not pass the test to receive classified documents. >> congressman gregory meeks, thank you very much. stay close. we have news just coming in from capitol hill where we are learning the house ethics committee is meeting wednesday to discuss their report on trump's attorney general pick matt gaetz.

joining us now is nbc ali vitaly. what options can the committee discuss mere? >> reporter: we know this meeting had meeting had initially been set to happen at the end of last week and it was postponed but some of the conversation was about whether or not it was cancelled. now we are seeing it's back on the boxes and our sources telling scott wong it will happen on wednesday afternoon. a highly anticipated meeting to discuss the investigation that the ethics committee has been doing off and on since 2021 to now former congressman matt gaetz. we have the speaker of the house now saying to the ethics committee that he strongly urges them not to vote to release this ethics report. typically, there is protocol that once a member is an exmember, the charges are

dropped and it is over current signature members of house. gaetz has resigned and no longer a current member of the house. but there is precedent for the ethics committee to release those investigations even after some members have left the chamber. those are rare instances but they have precedent and that is something that is certainly going to come into this conversation, especially because even as the speaker is urging the ethics committee not to release them, the speaker says that would open a pandora's box of sorts. the senate, including republicans, is saying, hey, if we are going to have any kind of confirmation process on this person who is in line to be attorney general, we want to see that ethics report and so begins the push and pull. >> ali vitali, interesting to hear what comes from that meeting. thank you, my friends and my ally, ali. congressman gregory meeks is back with us. i want to get your reaction to the news that the ethics committee is going to meet. what should did he they do? >> they should definitely make sure that report is released to

the united states senators. the senators have a responsibility to advise and consent and they cannot do their job as the constitution demands without having that report. that report -- that investigation has concluded. it's finished. it's not an ongoing investigation. it's whether or not the results of the investigation is given to the knowledge of the senators who have a constitutional responsibility of advice and consent. we don't have a emperor or a king that constitution allows to that. taxpayers pay for this investigation. at the minimum is released to every senator. then i would hope that those senators, democrats and republicans, stand up and do their responsibility and don't try, mr. speaker, or mr. new majority leader that is coming in, to have a ten-day recess to

give an opportunity to have a recess appointment. >> right. >> exactly right. don't do that because that means -- >> it would go through without a vote or confirmation. >> exactly right. we have to watch that. i think the american people are watching this very closely. >> on this report being released, you heard ali mention that speaker johnson is saying the report shoot be made public at the very least because that would open pandora's box and we don't do that when it comes to private citizens. matt greatest is a private citizen now because he resigned from congress. >> the speaker one day said he would not have anything to do with it and let the committee weigh on it. he goes to florida and meets with the president-elect and he comes back and he seems to have attained a different topic. then he says over the weekend he's had no conversation or anything else with the president. well, definite a conversation with somebody else close to the president? i don't know. but it seems to me that the

change in his position is obvious. i was born at night but it wasn't last night! something happened in that conversation. the speaker now is weighing in. completely contradicting the very thing he had said just a day beforehand. >> we should note there is some precedent of reports being put out there even after a member of congress is no longer there. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> congressman gregory meeks, we appreciate you. up next, donald trump on education. >> we will get critical transgender insanity the hell out of your schools immediately. it's get you out of awokeness and the schools will be great. >> there will be a department of education in the trump's next administration? i'll talk to a former secretary about the trump's levers could pull. the trump's levers could pull [♪ take a little ♪] giving without expecting something in return.

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in his flurry of cabinet announcements one of the president has not mentioned yet is secretary of education. trump made abolishing department throughout his campaign saying the budget is too large and staffed by people who, quote, hate our children. >> we are going to ends education coming out of washington washington, d.c. we are going to close it up. all those buildings all over the place and you have people that, in many cases, hate our children. we are going to send it all back to the states. thank you very much. >> dismantling the federal education department has been a decades long goal for some republicans but trump could run into serious road blocks if he actually tried to shut it down. let's discuss with former education secretary arnie duncan who served in the obama administration. mr. secretary, thanks for joining us. realistically, could trump shut down the department of education

without an act of congress? >> zero chance. this will just be another one of his many campaign promises that he doesn't deliver on. >> state and local officials we know run schools. the federal government doesn't set curriculum or learning standards or hire teachers, per se. what kind of impact does it have on a day-to-day basis? in other words, what would happen if it goes away? >> to be clear it's not going away but it's a key player in every level of education whether it's money for high quality prekindergarten which i think is the best investment we could make in young people. ideally you would be setting goals for the country in terms of raising high school graduation rates. the department of education puts billions of dollars behind children who have special needs, over 7.5 million children across the country have special needs and those are children, as you know, obviously, their parents vote republican and democratic and education should be the ultimate bipartisan issue and i

hate he is trial politicize it so much and making college affordable and we should be setting the goals in the nation and lead the world in college completion rates but unfortunately none of those goals, they are nation building goals and not right-to-left goals but nation building goals and none of them seem to have any interest to president-elect trump. >> you talk about the resources provide ied by the department of education. trump promising not to give schools money if they teach critical race theory or recognize transgender students or impose mask mandates. could he follow through on those threats and what would that look like? >> well, nobody is teaching critical race heory. we should all be in this together. what is so interest is florida is always the bellwether for these olympic attempts to publicize education. in florida they brought in a republican senator to run the

university of florida, paid him $10 million over five years and unprecedented amount of money for a university president. he lasted less than 17 months. on the k through 12 side, they have more book bans than any other state and runs mobs for liberty candidate for school board and they have lost consistently in very red districts. parents will let you lie about a lot of things and do a lot of things that i might not like but they will not let you mess with your children and education. what ultimately will happen, not just hurting kids and not just hurting the country but republicans are going to make a great political mistake if they continue down this path. parents do not want what they are selling. >> i hear you say there are some checks on the system but if the trump administration pulled federal funding, i can't help but wonder do you end up with a real patch work education system where school resources and the quality of education, especially public education, my dad is a

lifelong educator at the public level, will it vary even more widely than currently? we know there is so much disparity in the system. >> that is exactly right. thank your dad to help the children he has served. for me, again, nonbipartisan issue and we need to be helping every child fulfill their true economic and social potential. if he somehow uses education funding to exact retribution or revenge of states didn't vote his way or something like that, that would just be an unprecedented travesty and unimaginable to me and pray we don't go down that path. >> what do you imagine happening? >> i do worry that he will try and -- he won't close the department of education. he can't do that so that is another broken promise. he could try to recognize the department and do some things that would hurt, you know, ultimately hurt children and no one has ever done that. coming out of the pandemic, obviously, the biden administration helped every single state, helped children

across the country. didn't matter who voted what way. it's not how education should ever work. we have a long history working in a bipartisan manner around education and if that came to a screeching halt now what that means for our country, what that means for our children and families, what that means for our country's academic competitiveness, really, really gives me tremendous pause. >> former education secretary arne duncan, thank you very much. i'm ana cabrera reporting from neck. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage next. jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage next. for each. a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare advantage prescription drug plans include medical coverage. plus, prescription drug coverage with $0 copays on hundreds of prescriptions. most

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