thing, right? it means that we are not engaging with each other, we are not engaging across communities anymore, we are retreating to our indus pendant spaces. while we might be having more fun there, i think that is the thing we ultimately lose by not all being in the same place anymore but >> it is ashamed that we are not going to all be able to stay together and be friends as we may have been able to do in the past, but i do think that is a key problem when you have sites that are owned by billionaires, they sometimes become less friendly. renee, professor, thank you so much for joining us this morning on the reid out. thank you so much for joining us tonight, that is tonight's show. inside with jen psaki starts right now. there is a lot happening in washington, d.c. right now. a lot. instead of keeping up with all of it, you might be choosing to

tune it out. to keep your head under the pillow. in sweat pants, that sounds really good! even though you're paying attention the last several weeks, you may have found yourself losing track of the many, many scandals swirling around the people donald trump has chosen for some of the most important jobs in our government. but these scandals aren't just salacious tabloid fodder to talk about at the water cooler. they matter. not only how the government is run and what your lives look like the next four years and beyond that for were children. it matters in the united states and around the world when this is the kinds of coverage blanking the front pages about the next generation. trump's pick for top intel job has been accused of, quote,

traitorous parroting of russian propaganda. drug fueled orgy is a headline. sex with minor. let's pause the last one for a second. earlier today, the lawyer representing a woman who testified that she saw matt gaetz have sex with a minor spoke out in a new interview with nbc news's hallie jackson. >> reporter: what did your client witness in the party? >> she was walking outside to the pool and she observed to her right a friend who was 17 at the time of having sex with representative gaetz. they were leaned up to what she described to as a game table of some type. they did both testify that they consented to the activities. they were also asked whether or not they were victims and she broke down in tears and she said it's a very complicated question. >> reporter: did your clients make any assessments in their testimony about mr. gaetz's fitness or judgment to serve in

office? >> they are very careful what they might express publicly but one did say i don't think a man like him should have that much power. >> they are talking about the man nominated to serve as the attorney general of the united states. to be clear, gaetz does deny the allegations. he was never charged criminally for that alleged conduct. yet, it's still a lot to take in, all of it. but, again, it is important to take it in because these are the people who very likely be sitting in the situation room, sitting in the oval office, briefing the president, advising him on any crises our country may face. having to hold their own two next to their foreign counterparts on the world stage is part of these jobs. historically, part of the reason that nominees for key cabinet positions, especially in these very important jobs, like justice and defense and intelligence, ones that do national security issues and are on the global stage, part of the reason they are looked in to

intensely is because people with skeletons in their closet are target. do you think they want to know what happened between pete hegseth and the woman he paid off and to feigned out for the house ethics report in matt gaetz and it thinking twice about sharing information with tulsi gabbard? i think so. those are all questions we should be taking incredible seriously right now. so, listen. i know it has only been two weeks since the election. feels like it was yesterday or a month ago. and it was an election where trump won all seven swing states and made gains in nearly every demographic group and that does warrant some reflection from within the democratic party and the groups that support it and from all of us too about why that happened and what needs to change and how we should look at things differently and sometimes

watching rom comes. winning the election doesn't mean trump has a mandate to do whatever he wants. it certainly doesn't mean he has a mandate to force as pat gaetz as attorney general or pete hegseth as secretary of defense. it actually means the opposite. it means that this right now is the time to gather your neighbors, to call your members of congress, to make your voices heard. the answer right now and really the job right now for all of us is to raise concerns when you have them, to voice those concerns, to never stop questioning. we aren't powerless here. you are not powerless. we don't have to just throw up our hands at these eye popping stories and decide there is nothing stopping it. that is exactly what he wants you to do. he wants you to feel overwhelmed by the sheer volume of headlines and to feel uncertain about how and where to object. he wants you to feel frozen in this moment. but you aren't.

we all have voices. you have a voice. you can raise questions and we can all demand answers. my first guest has been asking questions for a very long time. he always demands answers and he never is quiet. bob woodward is a veteran journalist and associate managing editor at "the washington post." more than 50 years after he and karl bern steen opened up the watergate scandal he is still at it today. his latest book is called "war." he joins me now. great to see you. >> thank you. >> i cannot think of anyone who has covered more people, more presidents, more people in these key positions than you. so i am so thrilled to be talking to you tonight. i just wanted to start with a scene from the prologue of your new book about a chance encounter you and karl bernstein had with donald trump in 1989. >> 39 years ago and he wasn't in politic. >> you wrote this in your

prologue, quote. as we know today, if you look at the news today, trump is standing by matt gaetz and pete hegseth and despite these scandals. i'm guessing that is not a surprise to you having covered him for 35 years? >> and the rule is never fold. never give in. and if you need to be a killer, okay. if you need to give people candy, that is okay. killer, candy. you just want to win. >> that is his rule. >> that is trump. and, here, there is this coincidence i wrote out and i'm sorry, i didn't get it fully in my head and this is an astonishing continuity.

the front page of "the new york times" this morning, the story done by peter baker said mr. trump has said that real power is the ability to engender fear. i think that is exactly right. trump uttered those words eight years ago when bob costa and i were interviewing trump and he said real power is, i don't want to even use the word fear. that is what we have seen from trump since that day. my first book on trump was, of course, called "fear." because that is exactly what he does. he knows that is what the real power is to scare people, to frighten people and that is exactly what we see playing out

today. >> it is. i wanted to ask you about that because is there a couple of things happening right now. there are the personnel picks. i mentioned a couple of them. he is standing by matt gaetz and pete hegseth and tulsi gabbard. you covered him for decades. why do you think he picked them and he standing by to provoke fear or what is it about? >> you're in your car driving down the street. the check engine light goes on. what do you do? you pull into a grocery store? no. you look for a filling station where there might be somebody who knows what to do. trump is doing the exact opposite. he is intentionally kind of sabotaging the system steve bannon, his old political adviser, actually says that in the first months of the trump administration, the idea is to

pierce tradition, obliterate it, put a hand grenade over it. you see all of these appointees trump made that is he standing by. what does he want? he wants a revolution where he controls completely, and to achieve that, he has to destroy the system. so driving down the road, check engine light goes on, he goes in to a clown store because that is what happened. >> your book, which is so relevant to this moment because you actually talk about what people in these past jobs, including people trump had in his first administration did. i want to read this chilling oak. you remember it but people who haven't read your book about secretary mattis. you write this. quote.

now whatever people think of mattis, he was a serious person with a serious background. >> one of the great generals, one of the great secretaries of defense. >> exactly. i was just going to ask you knowing what you know about him, you write about him in this book. go ahead. >> there is another part in the book. mattis was so worried that he might have to launch a nuclear weapon at north korea to protect the united states if kim jong-un, the mad leader, fired one. and so mattis, he wasn't only sleeping in his gym clothes, he

went to the national cathedral to pray he wouldn't have to make that decision. here we have the secretary of defense on his knees in the national cathedral alone, worried about the national security destruction that trump had created in his first term. >> and that tells you how much somebody who had the military experience of him, how much it weighed on him. i wanted to ask you because you've been covering secretaries of dense through ten presidents. knowing what we know about pete hegseth, do you feel he can do that job? >> somebody should get that job who knows the military and also has management experience from what i read about him, no, he doesn't. and i have known over the

reporting time i've had for five decades, 16 secretary of states of defense going back even before i was a reporter, robert mcnamara. and they have to know management. they have to know what the responsibility is, they have to know where the levers of power are. and in this appointee, i see none of that. now, you have to ask yourself, why wouldn't trump want somebody who at least has some experience? he is trying to re-create the imperial presidency. he is trying to say, ah. i can do whatever i want. it's up to me alone. >> and he doesn't want them to have the power. >> he doesn't want to share it. >> he doesn't want to share it.

i hope people listen to what you just said about what you need for that job. you also talk in your book about you have the story about director of -- the former director of the national intelligence dan coats and you say, quote. >> two and a half years he was there. >> two and a half years. quote. this stuck out to me so much because we fast forward to today and trump has nominated someone who has been an apolicy -- what does having gabbard in that job

concern you? >> what is the goal? what is the purpose? there are all kinds of people with various political persuasions who have enough experience to run the pentagon. but he picked someone who isn't even near it. and you have to say what is the goal? having written three books on trump, spent hours with him, the goal is to give him all of the say, all of the power. real power is feared. he knows -- and fear, you know, that is what we are living in now. this is the era of fear because he is going to be president for four years. and if this is the idea, it is so -- it's almost

unconstitutional. literally, it's not, but look at it. why do you want somebody who doesn't know what they are doing? check engine light has just gone off and we have pulled in to the wrong store. it makes no sense. and it is a form of giving his middle finger to the american people. >> bob woodward, there are few people who covered more people in the national security space than you. i know from you writing books about administrations i was working in, they are alarmingly accurate so i encourage anybody to read your excellent book. i thank you for joining us and providing clarity. >> thank you. my next guest says he doesn't need a confirmation

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when it comes to the controversial names donald trump has picked to join his cabinet, it's clear that matt gaetz might be the most problematic. he could be. in fact, the choice of gaetz is as the next attorney general may have sparked one of the quickest to a cabinet pick. over an hour after the new pick was announced, senator-elect andy kim tweeted his option writing, quote. i was going to hold off on commenting on nominations at this stage but i cannot stay quiet here. i don't need a confirmation hearing to know matt gaetz is not qualified for attorney general and i will not support his confirmation and senator-elect andy kim joins me now. you have such a relevant background so needed in the senate. i just noted how fast it was

that you came out. i think that captured the sentiment of what a lot of people are saying privately, some saying publicly. you have this extensive national security background. i wanted to ask you where you stand on the other nominations out there like tulsi gabbard or pete hegseth. have you made a decision about where you stand on those? i'm not going to speak on every single individual one but give two broad concepts uiding me. i can't stand how much performative governance is taking over so much of these nominees. i've had a chance to work with some of these people in the house of representatives. i've seen more people more interested in social influencers than lawmakers. we get to work jobs whose job descriptions are in the constitution of the united states. instead, trying to make the most of that, we see people chasing ego and ambition so that is one aspect.

the other aspect is so very clearly this push right now to make america first mean america only when it comes to national security and i think that question about what does american global leadership mean in this moment needs to be front and center at these nomination hearings, to be able to understand what exactly are we going to see going forward. >> your background in national security is a very interesting part of hat you're bringing to this job. i want to ask you about tulsi gabbard who is somebody who has -- she met with bashar al assad. she has been sympathetic and kind of applauded him in some ways, as well as putin. when you talk to your constituents where you stand on a nomination like that or whether you might be concerned about her overseeing intelligence agencies of worlds you've lived in, what do you tell them? >> first and foremost what i

want to do assess the? new senator of new jersey is do my due diligence as someone who particular who was worked in the situation room and has spent time in that for hundreds of meetings, seeing the cabinet around the table, giving their best advice to the commander in chief so i can talk about it before that personal lens. what do i want to see in a leader that is sitting at that table of 13 chairs in the situation room with the president of the united states and be able to say, this is why this person is unqualified. this is why this is not a voice that we want to have in that place. that we recognize they all swear the same oath i swear in the capitol building which is as to the constitution and not to a president and not to an individual. but what we worry about is just seeing, again, this rewarding of loyalists and seeing how it is that we look at our partisan politics. i always say the last place partisan politics belongs is in the situation room. unfortunately, we are not lyle going to see that kind of belief follow through with what we have

seen so far with these nominations. as someone who know has vote in the united states senate on, i want to do my best to protect it. >> we don't know what committees you'll be on but it sounds like you'll be asking a lot of questions but no decision you've made about gabbard and hegseth you've ready to share at this point. you won in new jersey and outperformed kamala harris i should say in new jersey. you won a senate seat in a year where there were a lot of losses that happened across the country. i know you've talked about having uncomfortable conversations with people and you actually have gone out and met with some trump supporters which is really interesting. what does that look like for people when people say i don't know if i can have thanksgiving dinner with people who were trump supporters? or i don't know if i can ever talk to my neighbors who supported trump. what do you tell them? there is a lot of pain in this country right now and i'm sure new jersey, too. >> no, that's right. and, look. you know, i'm going to approach this moment as i do with a lot of humility. i believe in politics and

humility and making sure we recognize -- look. i don't have all of the answers but as a democrat who won a congressional district that trump won twice, that, right now, so many of the people that i talk to in new jersey it's not just about the lack of talking about the kitchen table issues and the economy. i know that is kinds of part of the discussion but it's all about the deep distrust that people have in government. some of the people i talk to, even if we are talking about kitchen table issues and their budget and what to do to help with costs, they won't believe people because they have that much of a distrust in government. 84% of people in new jersey surveyed believe their politicians are corrupt. that is a devastating number. that is something my state has to confront as with democrats leading so many of the major offices, the governorship, the senate, so many of the house seats. we have to take that effort and that is why i really do believe taking strong actions on

anti-corruption against special interests and showing that while we say we are trying to protect democracy, it doesn't mean that we are trying to protect a clearly broken political status quo that the vast majority of americans can't stand. you know? that is something i hope people take away when we go in that and have those conversations. the last thing i'll 'if we do confront people and tell them what they did was wrong, i find oftentimes though people just dig in deeper and if we really want to have a meaningful conversation that can try to bring this to the forefront, we have to approach it differently. >> senator-elect kim, can we call you that? >> i'm getting used to it. >> i can't wait to see what you do in the senate. >> thanks for having me. my next guest is abigail spanberger is joining me next. l spanberger is joining me next. from the ground up.

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president biden is allowing ukraine to use long-range missiles to attack targets inside russian territory. "the new york times" reports the change comes in response to russia's decision to execute the war with thousands of north korean troops and supporting the russians looping the board with ukraine. the missiles could be used to strike those border regions

inside of russia. today, kremlin spokesperson told nbc news, quote. so to sum it up, this conflict is clearly reaching a bit of an point two months before a new u.s. administration takes power promising to be more sympathetic to russia than its predecessor. maybe the most glaring example and there are many is donald trump's pick for director of national intelligence. former congresswoman tulsi gabbard. as former cia officer and now abigail spanberger explains that gabbard is unqualified but she cozies up to dictators like assad and putin. she can do limitless damage and no one will see it which is why it is so, so dangerous.

democratic congressman abigail spanberger joins me now. what we have been trying to do on the show is explain to people what the stakes are here. when you said she could do limitless damage and people wouldn't even know about it, what does that mean? >> it means so many things. so i'm a former cia officer. i worked undercover for my time with the agency as a case officer. case officers, throughout the world, currently, are out there recruiting for individuals to provide information to the united states government, to provide information that helps inform our policymakers, our military leaders, our diplomats and, ultimately, the president. when we talk about sources and methods, right? the sources and methods are the means by which we know certain things whether that is the person reporting that information in some far off country, whether it's technologies that might be at play, and so not only is it vitally important that we have a

clear understanding that every person with access to classified information and especially the dni protects the classified information that is collected but also that they protect and understand how sensitive sometimes our means are gathering that information is. the sources and methods. and the dni is the person who sees everything. they know the capability and information that we do or do not have and information that isn't informing our decisions and, frankly, the reason this nomination i think is so dangerous is because any damage that she would do, any information she would provide the president, right? she tweets russian propaganda and why not include it in the president's daily brief. why not push that in to the greater ecosystem of intelligence. and of that would be seen by the public and no opportunity to push back or opportunity to understand.

frankly even a lack of understanding of and respect for how it is that the intelligence community works could undermine not just our ability to collect information but our ability to work with partner nations where information exchanges keep us safe. you know, there could be long-term damage to capabilities and methods that we use, you know, from whatever point in time if she were to be confirmed in into the future and virtually few people would know. so the damage could just be catastrophic for our nation's own national security and this isn't political. it's not a partisan issue. it's not about party or the president-elect, it's about our national security. >> yes. that is so important. the people who work as career intelligence officers, they have worked for democratic and republican presidents and people who have been appointed by and nominated by all of them. two things i thought about this and you lived a different way than i have the potential chilling effect on people who are intelligence case sfrs and

people who are responsible for gathering, analyzing these secrets and concerns they might have about sharing them with the director of national intelligence and also as you just touched on, the impact it could have on our foreign partners like -- countries we share intelligence with and we rely on to keep our country safe who are than willing to do it. do you share those concerns? >> absolutely. importantly, you know, there is people throughout the world that provide information to, you know, those case officers who are, you know -- who are serving across the world and people of all nationalities who provide information to cia. sometimes, the movies make it seem, you know, it's highly, you know, hollywood but the reality is it's so frequently individuals who want to avoid some sort of misunderstanding or they want to ensure that the u.s. knows what is really happening in their home country. and the reality is that if they live in constant fear that their names or who they are or the

information that they might be provided could be made public or could be shared, or, you know, if we have a dni who demonstrates a clear preference at times for vladimir putin over our own sort of u.s. policy priorities, i think that would have a chilling effect also on what we would be able to collect what our intelligence community members would be able to collect. again, you never know what you don't collect, right? the american public never knows the terrorist attacks that have been thwarted, that have been stopped. the impact, right? because it's all behind closed doors and so any negative impact that someone who aligns herself with bashar al assad or vladimir putin who traffics in conspiracy theories the damage she could do to undermine our own capabilities and hurting our relationships with our partner or nations and particularly the five -- it's tremendous and one

of those things it with only be decades into the future it would be fully interest, if ever. >> i have so many questions for you about the run for governor for the state of virginia. i'm from there. i hope you will come back and we can talk about that next. thank you so much. you have so much intelligence community expertise, i had to ask you about that. >> thank you. >> coming up just how much elon -- how much does elon musk stand to gain with his cozy relationship with donald trump? we don't know but we got a hint and i'll talk to you about it after a break. and i'll talk to you about it after a break. s my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis symptoms kept me... out of the picture. now i have skyrizi. ♪ keeping my plans, i'm feeling free. ♪

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. for all of donald trump's talk of taking on corruption and draining the swamp, up to their eyeballs of corporate interest. the richest man in the world elon musk worth over 300 billion helped $100 million to get donald trump elected. has been palling around with trump almost daily. a few weeks since the election, musk has been regularly seen with trump at mar-a-lago and with trump on multiple calls alongside trump, including alongside with many calls with big people like ukrainian president and he met with trump with republicans.

now musk is even pressuring trump about what appointments to make. sometimes publicly. now, if you care in the slightest about government drupgs and corruption, all of that should worry you. the richest man in the world is poised to become one of the most powerful and influential bureaucrats in donald trump's new administration. that is alarming because his 310 billion dollars of wealth was built in large part due to his country's contracts and subsidies from federal government. so all of this means elon musk could be both the head of large independent companies, more than one, and also have significant sway within the government about how his companies might be regulated and whether they may receive more federal contracts or grants. in one place we could see that play out is at the federal communications commission. now, the fcc may not be an angle you think about very often. understandable. but last night, donald trump tapped a guy name brendan carr

to lead that agency. that is not only alarming because he wrote the fcc chapter of 2025 but also an outspoken defender of elon musk's businesses. online and in person musk has been building a public alliance around his company's policy goals with carr and, in particular, carr advocated for starlink. not to get into the weeds here but what we do but starlinks will send different signals. the problem is that starlink has its fair share. problems. it's not after the s fast and f the. can's subsidy request for almost $1 billion last year. but both musk and carr have brushed off the technical concerns and accused the

government of playing favorites. carr even old politico close to a third of a 42 billion dollar broadband program should go to satellite internet. and wouldn't you know it? as of now, the only game in town in satellite internet is through elon musk's starlink. despite that, carr has downplayed the idea he is showing any special favor and claims he'll be handed a regulator and hard to believe when he commits billions of dollars to a sector of an industry that is dominated by a single company. like i said elon musk spent more than $100 million to help get donald trump elected. that is a lot of money. but, right now, it seems like that was money well spent. we will see. coming up, donald trump says he intends to use the military to carry out mass deportations when he takes office.

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early this morning we got news that is both shocking and then, at the same time, not at all surprising. now in a 4:00 a.m. post on social media as one does, i suppose, donald trump confirmed he plans to declare a national emergency and use military assets to implement a mass deportation program. a national emergency would allow the administration to redirect funds from other departments. we have seen this tactic from donald trump before. in 2019, he used an emergency declaration to unlock funds from the defense department to pay for construction on his border wall. this time around, the incoming administration is once again, reportedly targeting pentagon resources. we are beginning to learn more how they plan to use these funds. the trump administration is considering locations for key tension centers to hold the migrants before they are deported and detaining families

like we saw during trump's first term. joining me is jacob soboroff, executive producer of the new msnbc film "separated." i told him i've watched it twice. it's based on his best selling book. >> you said at the beginning, people watching rom com. it is no that. >> it is not. i said people need to get active and educate themselves and have their voices heard. this is a perfect thing. one of the things that struck me about this amazing documentary is that there were a lot of people in the government who either didn't know how to stop what was happening or didn't know how bad it would be. now it's staffed by different people now. but what do you think having covered immigration policy, you wrote this book. you executive produced this movie. what do you think they learned from the last time we say see play out as they implement this? >> i was thinking the very same people, the creeper areer civil

servants who stood up and one significant policy reversal of the first term. trump said yes like the he sight and feeling the families be separated and in spite of not only his homeland security secretary signing the policy in place and people throughout the entire duration. let's back up. a republican appointed judge called a shameful chapter of our country. they said it met the u.n.'s definition of torture. the only reason that it was stopped is because of the public outrage. it wasn't bipartisan. it was a universal outrage that pope spoke out and people spoke out because of those government officials that went to the mat against the political appointees and they want to supersize this with mass deportation which is family separation by a different name. what can they do to stop it in the face of a trump

administration who may very well be looking for some of these folks knowing how they stood up to it for the first time around? >> which is the other interesting part of this. a lot we don't know about the plan. we know the basics. we learned today the aclu sued for more information on how their air travel infrastructure could be expanded to carry out mass deportation in these programs some of these organizations learned maybe how to fight this. what have you seen in that regard? >> i think that is true. last night, we had a screening of the film out in l.a. and i was with immigrant defenders law center. at the time of family separation, they had 30 people on staff there. lindsey who runs that organization, i remember very famously told a story of representing i got chills telling the story representing a little kid whose feet wouldn't touch the ground when they were separated because they were in the chair and they were so little and there without a parent and weren't able to even literally speak for themselves. they now have gone from 30 people, sort of a small

operation to 200 in preparation for what to come now and knowing what has been. i think part of the situation here is we all have to tell the stories what this meant the first time around and why i'm so grateful to work with errol morris. he tells the story in the film and i'm excited to screen this here in washington with you tomorrow. >> landmark theater. get your tickets. >> everyone has to come. in a way he can only can. he has done this of others. even steve bannon. he is turning this lens on this policy i think none of us will -- i won't forget seeing it with my own eyes. i think it's a road map not only to what they might do but how people might push back on this policy thank you galvanized everybody across the world in opposition to what was the cruelty was the point as adam said. >> one of the things in the minute we have left, you're a professional here. the story telling. you have all of these officials are a part of it and things are

used to explain to people what family separation is. i feel is a bit of a lesson learned for story telling in general. that that, i assume was apparently decision by you. >> they exonerated falsely accused of murder of a dallas police officer. there is no footage inside the detention centers that doesn't exist. in the movie i went into the detention centers with my notebook because katie miller, stephen miller's wife said no cameras inside even though they wanted to tell the world what was happening. errol hired and worked with the production designer and gabriel la was in the film to tell the stories of families you get to the emotional truth in a way that doesn't exist in footage and i can't wait for everybody to see it not only because it's

extraordinary to work on and based on the news we did at nbc news and msnbc and a story we should carry forward what is about to happen in january. >> jacob, i'll see you tomorrow night. it's a screening of your film at the landmark theater. it's an incredible film. it's important to watch. >> thank you. >> grab your tickets for that special screening. scan the qr code on your screen for more. i'll be moderating and with other special guests who know a lot about immigration and family separation after the screening and we will be right back. separation after the screening and we will be right back. fter, it is gentle on your skin. it breathes life into your laundry.

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you don't like women in combat? >> no. >> why not? >> i love women service members who contribute amazingly. because everything about men and women serving together makes the situation more complicated. and complication in combat means casualties or worse. i'm surprised there hasn't been more blowback on that already

in the book because i'm straight up just saying we should not have women in combat roles. >> that was donald trump's pick for secretary of defense earlier this month. before we go, i just want to introduce him and you to u.s. air force captain l lacey hes hester. they were the commission commanders directing fighters toward the drones. they were also actively engaged in shooting down drones themselves. on that night after they had used up all their missiles, they kept on shooting them down with a gatling gun. no women in combat roles? dually noted, but i think captain hester might like a word with you. that rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. >> thank you, my friend. much appreciated. and thanks at home for joining us this hour. happy to have you here. once upon a time, there